The Expansionist Podcast

Send us Fan MailShe was born into a world marked by plague and upheaval, yet she found a kind of inner stillness strong enough to challenge popes and serve neighbors at the same time. We’re talking about St. Catherine of Siena, and we’re letting her life press on our assumptions about spirituality, authority, and what it means to love in public.We trace Catherine’s “cell” of contemplation as more than solitude, seeing it as the birthplace of self-knowledge, discernment, and a listening heart that can hear the voice above the noise. From there, the conversation moves into Christian mysticism with consequences: prayer that doesn’t split body from spirit, devotion that turns into embodied compassion, and a love of God that shows up as care for the sick, food for the hungry, and presence with grief.Catherine also refuses to stay quiet. We wrestle with her letters and political courage, her resistance to excessive wealth and abuse of power, and what her witness means for women’s sovereignty in the church today. Along the way, we name modern tensions around marginalization, LGBTQIA inclusion, and the ongoing question of women’s leadership and ordination. We end with a blessing inspired by Catherine that speaks directly to women who feel diminished, calling forth a steady inner fire that is meant to be seen.If this conversation helps you breathe deeper and stand taller, subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find Expansionist Theology.

Send us Fan MailThe resurrection story starts with a problem anyone can recognize: you’re carrying love, you’re carrying grief, and there’s a stone in the way. We step into Eastertide by following the women to the tomb, lingering over their honest question, “Who will roll away the stone?” and noticing the courage hidden in plain sight. They don’t wait for perfect certainty. They go anyway, and that single posture becomes a powerful spiritual practice for anyone facing loss, burnout, injustice, or a future that feels sealed shut.We also talk about what gets missed when we read scripture through the same lens we were handed years ago. Why are so many women blurred into “Mary,” and what changes when we insist that every person in the story matters? From there, we move into “go and tell” as a commissioning that has too often been stifled. We explore how resurrection is more than a claim to debate and becomes a lived, embodied reality: pockets of hope, bigger tables, companionship, and the quiet ways our bodies know truth before our minds can prove it.If you’ve ever wondered whether resurrection can be real when someone you love is still gone, you’re not alone. We hold that tension with tenderness, connect it to Hildegard’s greening and the cycles of nature, and offer a blessing for anyone who is going to the tomb with spices still in their hands. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs hope, and leave a review. Where have you seen resurrection showing up lately?

Send us Fan MailA single sentence in the news can expose what we really trust and it’s rarely what we want it to be. We’re sitting with that tension, and with a different kind of confidence: milk and mercy, the fierce tenderness that refuses to accept a world built on domination, war, and forgetting. We talk through the season of Lent as a time for deep reimagining, using spring as our teacher: seeds split in the dark, roots take hold, and greening appears after a long hidden wait. From there, we turn to women’s wisdom in scripture and in everyday life, asking what it means to “participate in the greening” and to midwife justice. We challenge patriarchy, complementarianism, and the idea that hierarchy is the Creator’s plan, and we name the gospel as good news of peace, equity, and the divine image in every person. Heather shares a blessing for “women of deep soil” and threshold knowledge, honoring Mary and Martha, Mary of Bethany, Mary the mother, and Mary Magdalene as witnesses who stay, weep, and tell the truth. We wrestle with prayer as alignment rather than begging, the way spiritual practice shapes us, and how we can reduce hate and trauma in the small, local places where we actually have agency. We close with Mary Magdalene as the trusted messenger, “go and tell,” and an invitation into inner sovereignty, discernment, presence, and song. If this stirred something in you, subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find these conversations, then tell us: where do you want to choose mercy over fear?

Send us Fan MailWhat if your spiritual life had a map you could actually see and use? We sit down with bestselling author Lori Beth Jones to explore the “21 holds of spiritual ascent,” a vivid framework that turns vague struggle into clear, actionable steps. Instead of abstract advice, Lori gives us memorable visuals: the social hold as a carousel that looks like motion but goes nowhere, the cargo hold as overstuffed schedules and judgments, the withhold as a famine of your own voice, and the chokehold that steals breath and agency.From there we cross the threshold—the first crack of light under a door—into upward movement. We talk about the tiny toehold that changes direction, the throwhold that requires trust, the sold hold that commits you to what’s next, and the bold hold that asks you to reach for the moving train. Lori expands on the gold hold, where values realign toward what lasts, and on the stronghold, wold hold, and behold—the places of support, clearing, and awe where you finally see you’ve been held all along. We connect these ideas to breath, voice, and the courage to take up space, especially for women taught to fold, shrink, or leave the table. Staying at the table becomes a practice of freedom.You’ll also hear how this framework becomes a practical game and spiritual practice, including the “wonderful what-if rabbit,” a playful prompt that opens imagination and reveals hidden thresholds. Heather shares a powerful blessing for climbers, and we each name a hold we’re releasing right now—like the cargo hold of an overloaded calendar—to make room for depth and creative work. If you’ve been craving language for where you are and a nudge toward your next step, this conversation offers both clarity and companionship for the climb.If this resonates, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review so more listeners can find the show. Then tell us: what hold are you naming today, and what toehold will you claim next?

Send us Fan MailWhat if wonder isn’t a luxury but a way of seeing that heals how we live? Shelly and Heather open the door to a practice of holy attention, starting with a simple moment on a city sidewalk: a box labeled “Free Lemons.” From that humble gift flows a conversation about abundance, beauty, and the courage to notice what is already with us. We explore how awe differs from endless questioning, and how sensory prayer—touching, smelling, tasting—can reawaken the heart to God’s nearness and the dignity in our neighbors.We move from contemplation to action, reflecting on Jesus’ everyday goodness: sharing meals, binding wounds, and paying the cost for someone else’s healing. That picture reframes what church can be in public life—a dependable address for kindness, patience, and steady help. Along the way, we name the noise that hijacks our attention, from relentless alerts to manipulative marketing, and we learn a kind of “spiritual caller ID” to tell the difference between a sacred invitation and a hollow distraction. Fear shrinks the path, but love widens it; the narrow way turns out to be the focused, expansive path of unity in a tribal age.Around the table of belonging, even doubters and deniers find a seat. We remember that family is messy, yet held together by mercy, and that we’re invited to be light that points out goodness wherever it’s piled high—on street corners, in kitchens, in communities that choose service over spectacle. Come for the stories, stay for the gentle practices, and leave with a renewed desire to tell everyone where the goodness is.If this resonated, share it with a friend, subscribe for more conversations like this, and leave a review to help others find the show.

Send us Fan MailWhat if communion is less about rules and more about a living practice that heals our hunger for belonging? We sit down to reframe the table as a place of remembrance, courage, and everyday resistance—where bread meets body wisdom and wine meets shared responsibility. Starting with a growing pantry of rituals—anointing oil, candlelight, silence, movement, Celtic prayers, tea in warm hands, thresholds, altars, and blessings—we explore how simple practices become portals to presence without caging the mystery.Our conversation traces a journey from fear to curiosity. We name the ways many of us were taught to gatekeep the sacred and how we’ve unlearned exclusion to embrace an open table. “As often as you do this” becomes a call to embodied storytelling: recalling meals, friendships, and the women who tended the sacred. We talk about communion as an inclusive act—bread as the food of the poor, wine as the drink of the privileged—and how the table trains us to make room, wait for each other, and carry love into the street.This episode closes with a full blessing for the table: come as you are, unmasked and honest; receive what is given; rise sent to live what love has taught. If you’ve felt shut out of the sacrament or hungry for a practice that meets real life, you’ll find language, courage, and practical ways to host open tables in your home, church, or neighborhood. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a seat, and leave a review to help more people find a table where they belong.

Send us Fan MailA single change of light can restory a whole room—and a whole life. We open the new year inside Epiphany’s gentle glow, trading the harsh glare of judgment for the candlelit mercy that helps us see what’s been true all along: we are held, invited, and free to go home by another route. Shelly and Heather explore how sacred rhythms, awe, and unhurried attention can shift our perspective from scarcity to abundance, from self-critique to compassionate awareness.We draw on the Magi’s journey as a living pattern: follow the star together, arrive in joy, offer what you carry, and then refuse the old path back to fear or control. That “different way home” speaks to anyone told they don’t belong—including LGBTQ listeners—affirming that home is found where love, not empire, names us. Along the way, we unpack the difference between womb-like rest and harmful darkness, and why curiosity loosens the knot between judgment and certainty.You’ll hear simple, profound practices: breath prayers to calm the body, lighting a candle to mark sacred attention, stepping outside to recover awe under a night sky, and asking better questions about where your light is coming from in any moment. We invite women especially to claim 2026 as a year of telling a better story—shifting the source of light so beauty, dignity, and hope come into view. We close with a blessing for Epiphany that softens judgment, widens the heart, and teaches us to carry light that is gentle, brave, and generous.If this conversation brightened something in you, share it with a friend, subscribe for more, and leave a review to help others find the light. For resources and community, visit expansionisttheology.com.

Send us Fan MailWhat if the holiest things in your life aren’t on an altar but on your kitchen shelf, folded in a quilt, or humming across your lawn? We sit down with Reverend Lori Brock—priest, author, and competitive equestrian—and uncover how ordinary objects become gateways to grace.Lori shares how a simple question from a priest cracked open a vocation she had never seen modeled for women. That thread runs through our whole conversation: why representation matters for girls in the pews, how to unlearn the secular–sacred split, and what it means to name our homes as holy ground. We dig into her practice of “letting objects testify,” a mindful way to ask not if something is sacred but how it is sacred—whether it’s an inherited skillet, a vacation ornament, or a quiet electric lawn mower that turns yard work into prayer.Advent frames the spiritual terrain: waiting is uncomfortable, thresholds are tight, and anger can be holy because it leads us to buried grief or long-silenced power. Lori’s stories with horses bring this to earth. Grooming, hoof picks, and the trust of a prey animal reveal a living catechism of vulnerability, consent, and care. Along the way, we talk about misogyny dressed up as theology, the courage of women at the first Easter, and how to discern which objects to keep, which to bless and release, and which to let teach us one last time.Come for the theology you can hold in your hands and leave with a practice you can live today. If this conversation stirred something in you, share it with a friend, subscribe for more expansive faith talks, and leave a review to help others find the show.Laurie M. Brock is an Episcopal priest, competitive equestrian, and author of three books. During her time in seminary, she worked as a chaplain in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 and has continued her work in trauma chaplaincy with the Lexington Police Department in Kentucky. She is a retreat leader and guest essayist for several online and in-print devotionals.www.broadleafbooks.com

Send us Fan MailWhat if “All shall be well” isn’t escapism but a summons to live braver, kinder, and more open to mystery? We sit with Julian of Norwich’s beloved quote and ask what makes hope durable when the world feels unwell—plague, patriarchy, and the daily grind of uncertainty included. Instead of chasing certainty, we explore the freedom of unknowing, the grounding force of ritual, and the quiet courage that comes from trusting love over fear.We take a hard look at how easy answers become avoidance, and we chart a different path: hope that looks pain in the eye and stays. From reframing death as passage to examining why judgment rarely produces justice, we talk about practices that rewire our attention—breath, blessing, bread, and honest questions like Who told me this? and Where is the holy? Along the way, we name the pull toward compassion and the call to act: advocating for the unhoused and immigrant, rejecting the myth of separateness, and returning to the good over and over until it remakes us.Advent threads it all together as a living metaphor: lighting small candles in thick dark, consenting to carry love into the world as Mary did, again and again. If love is the truest thing, then “all shall be well” becomes a commitment, not a cliché—a way of imagining equity, choosing solidarity, and embodying mercy when it matters most. Listen, share with a friend, and tell us: what’s one small act you’ll take this week to make things well for someone near you? Subscribe for more conversations on mysticism, courage, and the everyday work of hope.

Send us Fan MailWhat if reading the Bible felt less like swallowing a prepackaged meal and more like cooking something nourishing with friends? We sit down with Dr. Jennifer Garcia Bashaw to reframe biblical interpretation through a simple, memorable kitchen metaphor that helps anyone move from fear and formulas to curiosity and depth. Instead of treating Scripture as a static rule book, we explore it as a living, multivocal library—divine and human—where honest questions don’t break faith, they build it.We start with you the reader: how your social location, church background, and assumptions shape what you see. From there we unpack genre—poetry, wisdom, ancient history, gospels—and why recognizing these forms changes everything about how you read. Jennifer shares accessible tools like the Bible Project’s book overviews to anchor any passage in its literary and historical context, and she offers a healing on-ramp for those wounded by weaponized verses: return to Jesus. Using Jesus as the interpretive lens reframes violent depictions of God and invites a way of reading that matches the character of Christ.Along the way, we revisit overlooked stories of women in Scripture, trace Israel’s long path toward monotheism, and practice a two-step that keeps us grounded: first ask what a passage meant to them, then consider what it can mean for us. The result is a richer, kinder approach to the Bible that welcomes complexity, values diverse voices, and makes space for growth. If you’re hungry for Scripture that feeds your mind and heals your heart, pull up a chair and join us.Dr. Jennifer Garcia Bashaw's newest book can be preordered on the link below.https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9798889835561/Serving-Up-ScriptureEnjoyed the conversation? Subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review to help more people find the show.

Send us Fan MailA single billboard question haunted our childhoods and still shapes modern faith: Where will you spend eternity? We decided to take it apart—gently, honestly, and without losing the heart of the gospel. Together we trace how fear-based scripts formed our earliest images of God and how those scripts often create otherness, separation, and shame. Then we pivot to presence, asking what happens when we trade anxiety about the afterlife for the daring work of love, justice, and neighborliness here and now.We revisit a familiar passage—“I go to prepare a place for you”—and explore a richer reading that centers God’s vast roominess rather than a gated heaven. This reframing loosens the grip of spiritual escapism and calls us back to the practices Jesus actually modeled: healing, freeing, welcoming, and making space at the table. We talk about empire thinking and why some religious messaging can function as social control, encouraging quiet compliance instead of courageous compassion. Through it all, we keep returning to the nearness of God, not as a concept in the clouds but as a living presence in our ordinary lives.Our aim isn’t to win an argument; it’s to change the question. Instead of “Where will you spend eternity?” we ask, “How can I be a better neighbor to you?” Drawing on contemplative wisdom and Thomas Keating’s invitation to a new language of prayer, we name the kingdom as a present reality felt in influence, community, and daily choices. Love birthed us, love sustains us, and love will receive us. The task is to align with that love now—through equity, mercy, and attentive presence—trusting the Spirit to lead.If this conversation meets you where you are, share it with a friend, subscribe for more thought-provoking episodes, and leave a review to help others find the show. Then tell us: What better question are you ready to ask today?

Send us Fan MailA grandmother takes a door off its hinges to make the table longer. That simple act becomes our compass for a bold claim: hospitality isn’t a niche talent—it’s a spiritual practice that can transform how we love, listen, and live together. We trace radical hospitality from the kitchen table to the inner life, challenging the idea that it belongs only to those with perfect homes or to women trained to “host.” Instead, we make room for a fuller story where the feminine and masculine both offer welcome, and where presence—not performance—is the currency that changes communities.We move beyond labels to ask harder questions: Is hospitality a gift you either have or don’t, or is it a discipline anyone can learn? What happens when listening becomes our primary form of welcome? Through memories, lived examples, and the story of Zacchaeus, we show how a shared meal can lead to repair, how adapting a menu for a gluten-free guest can reshape our default settings, and how real inclusion costs us time, convenience, and sometimes restitution. Along the way, we connect hospitality to equity, feminist theology, and a vision of salvation as shared wholeness—no one fed until everyone is fed.If you’re curious about practicing hospitality beyond the table—opening your mind, revising traditions, and making amends where needed—this conversation offers language, courage, and next steps. Join us as we trade scarcity for abundance, make space for difference, and practice the daily prayer of openness. If the episode moves you, share it with a friend and visit expansionisttheology.com to learn more about our community. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: who needs a seat at your table this week?

Send us Fan MailWhat does it truly mean to practice radical acceptance in a deeply divided world? This question sits at the heart of our conversation as we explore the challenging yet transformative path toward seeing the sacred in everyone.The journey begins with an uncomfortable truth—many of us struggle to extend true acceptance beyond those who think, believe, and live like we do. Yet the revolutionary power of radical love demands we go further. Through personal stories and theological reflection, we unpack what it means to "take doors off hinges" to create longer tables where everyone belongs.We dive into how Christian nationalism has unconsciously shaped many believers' understanding of faith, creating blind spots that limit our capacity for true inclusion. Using the powerful metaphor of church as "the huddle, not the game," we reimagine spiritual community as preparation for the real work of embodying love in everyday life.Perhaps most challenging is our exploration of what radical acceptance doesn't mean—we distinguish between loving people in their belovedness versus accepting harmful behaviors. This nuanced approach allows us to stand firmly against injustice while still seeing the humanity in everyone.Throughout our conversation, we return to a central hope: that through community and practice, we can expand our capacity for love in ways that transform both ourselves and our world. What if reimagining what's possible—even a world without war—begins with the simple yet profound act of radical acceptance?Join us in this honest, heartfelt discussion about creating spaces where "the beautiful becomes the story" and where love—uncontrolled, unpoliced, and unbounded—shows us the way forward.

Send us Fan MailChanging your mind might be the most revolutionary spiritual practice available to you right now. Heather and Shelly dive deep into the transformative power of mental flexibility and how it connects to the core teachings of Jesus.What happens when we allow ourselves to consider that our perspective might be incomplete? The hosts explore how Jesus repeatedly invited his followers to "repent" – literally to change their minds – and how this practice creates pathways for authentic spiritual growth. "Is it possible that I am not seeing the whole picture?" becomes a doorway to profound transformation.The conversation examines why changing our minds feels so threatening (hint: it's mostly ego) and how the Mary Magdalene way models courage in trusting our deeper knowing even when it goes against established norms. They discuss practical approaches for communities seeking change, including making authentic friendships across differences and "making what's beautiful the story" rather than rigidly adhering to established patterns.This episode challenges listeners to expand their understanding beyond familiar frameworks by engaging with diverse traditions and even learning from the natural world. "Start by changing your own mind," the hosts suggest, reminding us that this internal shift might be our most powerful tool for creating change in a divided world. The practice of recognizing everyone's belovedness – including those with whom we deeply disagree – creates a foundation for genuine transformation.Ready to explore how changing your mind might open new possibilities in your spiritual journey? Join Heather and Shelly for this thought-provoking conversation that will leave you reconsidering what you thought you knew.

Send us Fan MailPrayer isn't just words whispered in sacred spaces—it's marching in the streets, demanding justice from those in power, and standing in solidarity with the marginalized. This revolutionary understanding of spirituality sits at the heart of "We Pray Freedom," a groundbreaking liturgical collection from theologians Liz Theoharis and Charon Hribar.The book reimagines prayer as "the work of the people" in its most authentic sense, featuring contributions from over 80 grassroots leaders—unhoused organizers, low-wage workers, and faith activists—who share liturgies born from their communities' struggles. These prayers, songs, and rituals emerge not from theological institutions but from lived experiences of injustice and visions for a more equitable world.Take the biblical story of the persistent widow, often interpreted narrowly as encouraging consistent personal prayer. Theoharis reframes it powerfully: "This woman goes to this person with power and demands justice and wins it, and that's how we pray without ceasing." This perspective invites us to see prayer not as passive acceptance but as persistent action toward justice.Both authors bring deep personal connections to this work. Liz Theoharis, raised in a movement family, experienced housing insecurity firsthand. Charon Hribar grew up in a small steel town, witnessing economic devastation when the industry collapsed. Their paths converged at Union Theological Seminary, where they established the Kairos Center, connecting faith communities with economic justice movements.Whether you're a longtime activist, spiritual seeker, or someone questioning traditional religious practices, "We Pray Freedom" offers a fresh vision of spirituality that doesn't separate faith from action. It's an invitation to join what might be called the "Freedom Church"—not an institution, but a community committed to embodying prayer through working for justice, freedom, and peace in our world.Visit weprayfreedom.org for additional resources, including music videos and organizing tools, or join the Freedom Church of the Poor virtually on Sundays at 6pm Eastern to experience this transformative approach to spirituality in community.You can buy their new book here: https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9798889830344/We-Pray-Freedom

Send us Fan MailMary Magdalene beckons us beyond the twelve verses that mention her in scripture, inviting us into a profound reimagining of what it means to witness the divine. Shelley Shepard and Heather Drake explore this sacred friendship during Mary's feast week, diving into the transformative power of seeing resurrection through feminine eyes.What makes Mary's witness unique? The hosts suggest that witnessing isn't merely observing or repeating stories—it's embodying presence in vulnerability and mutual care. "If I am a witness to someone's life," Heather explains, "it's not that I am bossing them or repeating a story. I am embodying my own presence." This reframes Jesus's commission to Mary as an invitation into intimate friendship where humanity is fully embraced, needs are tended to, and love flows freely between companions.The conversation takes an unexpected turn when the hosts propose a powerful possibility: perhaps in the garden, Mary called to Jesus first. What if her longing and connection transcended death itself, and his response—"Mary"—was simply answering her call? This perspective transforms the resurrection narrative from a one-sided miracle to a testament of love's power to bridge even death's chasm. Jesus's instruction not to cling to him becomes not rejection but invitation to transcendence—moving beyond limited forms into expansive understanding.Mary Magdalene likely walked a wisdom path even before meeting Jesus, possessing inner knowing that allowed her to grasp what others missed. While the disciples sought political revolution, Mary understood Jesus's teaching that "the kingdom is within." Their unified vision created a friendship that modeled the very love they sought to share with the world. Perhaps this is why, out of all his followers, Jesus commissioned Mary specifically to first proclaim the resurrection—because she alone truly understood its meaning.Ready to explore Mary's expansive path of wisdom? Join our community where we're reimagining spiritual friendship that honors both our humanity and transcendent potential. Visit expansionisttheology.com to continue the journey of pouring out love generously in a world hungry for connection.

Send us Fan MailWhat if Mary Magdalene's uncovered hair wasn't just a break from tradition, but a revolutionary act of spiritual and feminine liberation?As we approach Mary Magdalene's feast day on July 22nd, Shelley and Heather dive into one of the most overlooked yet profound aspects of her story – her hair. In ancient times, a woman's hair was simultaneously considered her "glory" and something to be hidden away from public view. The cultural mandate requiring women to cover their hair wasn't simply about modesty; it was fundamentally about control and power.Mary Magdalene shattered these conventions when she not only uncovered her hair in public but used it to dry Jesus's feet after anointing them with expensive oils and her own tears. This act of devotion wasn't just spiritually significant – it was politically and culturally subversive. She transformed what patriarchal systems had deemed should be hidden into a sacred instrument of connection and worship.Through vivid imagery and thoughtful exploration, Shelley and Heather unpack how Mary's wealthy status intersected with her beauty, creating a platform that she chose to use not for personal gain but for devotion. They consider how this ancient story speaks to our modern experiences of beauty standards, cultural control, and the search for authentic self-expression. What does it mean when we reclaim aspects of ourselves that we've been conditioned to hide? How might we find liberation in seeing our physical bodies as sacred vessels rather than objects to be controlled?This conversation opens windows into a radical understanding of embodied spirituality, where tears, hair, and presence become holy offerings. Mary Magdalene's example challenges us to expand our concept of the sacred and invites us to find transcendence not by escaping our humanity but by fully inhabiting it with love, courage, and radical authenticity.Join us on this journey of expansionist thinking as we reimagine what it means to follow the path of Mary Magdalene – a path where beauty isn't hidden away but becomes the very story that liberates us all. Share your own reflections and join our community at expansionisttheology.com.

Send us Fan MailCould Mary Magdalene be a missing part of the Christ story? This question forms the heart of our exploration as we approach her feast day on July 22nd. While neither of us come from Catholic traditions, we recognize the profound wisdom in celebrating feast days that awaken our consciousness to spiritual truth—and Mary Magdalene holds truths too long overlooked.Mary represents a pathway to transformation that embraces feminine wisdom and embodied spirituality.  When the Gospel of Mary was discovered in Egypt in the 19th century, it revealed a woman who understood Christ's message so deeply that male disciples questioned how Jesus could have shared such mysteries with her. Yet Jesus himself declared that wherever his story was told, hers would be told alongside it—a commission we've collectively failed to honor for centuries.What might Christianity look like if we restored Mary Magdalene to her rightful place? If Jesus is understood as the Second Adam in theological tradition, might Mary represent the Second Eve—not replacing Mary the mother of Jesus, but complementing our understanding of feminine spiritual presence? The evidence suggests she continued as an evangelist after the resurrection, particularly in France, spreading a message of embodied, Spirit-led devotion. Her understanding of anointing—exemplified when she recognized the significance of Jesus's approaching sacrifice—shows spiritual insight beyond what other disciples grasped. When we embrace her witness alongside Christ's, we discover a more complete spirituality that honors both masculine and feminine expressions of divine wisdom. Ready to explore the full story? Join us as we uncover what traditional narratives have too often left untold.

Send us Fan MailYour intuition speaks, but are you listening? In this soul-stirring conversation, Shelley and Heather explore what they call "ancient remembering" – that profound sense of recognition when something resonates deep within us, awakening wisdom we've always possessed but somehow forgotten.The hosts navigate the delicate balance between external authority and inner knowing, exploring how many of us feel caught between obedience to religious rules and trust in our own sovereignty. Drawing from scripture, mystical wisdom, and their own spiritual journeys, they suggest that perhaps rules were only ever meant to be placeholders until we could be guided by the Spirit from within.What makes this exploration particularly powerful is their radical redefinition of oneness. Rather than a vague spiritual concept, they frame oneness as our birthright – the natural state from which we've been separated through religious conditioning and ego-driven thinking. Jesus himself demonstrated this path by standing in solidarity with outcasts, challenging rigid religious structures, and inviting followers into a more expansive understanding of divine love.The conversation takes a fascinating turn when they discuss wisdom as a feminine presence (Sophia) who was with God from the beginning of creation. Could our world's struggles stem from failing to consult her perspective? Through their dialogue emerges a vision of spiritual practice centered on discernment rather than blind adherence – where true freedom creates blessings that extend to everyone, not just ourselves.Ready to trust your inner knowing? Join Shelley and Heather at their Wednesday "Table" gatherings to continue exploring these transformative concepts alongside others walking this path of expansion and liberation.

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when we expand our vision of God beyond Father to include Mother? Shelley Shepard and I journey into territory many find unfamiliar yet deeply healing as we explore divine motherhood and its transformative potential.This conversation travels through personal stories of our relationships with our mothers and how these experiences have colored our spiritual understanding. We examine how limiting God to masculine imagery creates barriers for many who've experienced trauma or difficult relationships with fathers, while embracing feminine divine aspects opens pathways to deeper connection. As we share, "Mothering is too huge a job to relegrate to one person," suggesting our spiritual lives benefit from seeing the sacred feminine expressed through earth, community, and divine presence.The conversation crescendos as we read the Lord's Prayer from the New Zealand Anglican Prayer Book—beginning with "Eternal Spirit, Earth Maker, Pain Bearer, Life Giver, Father and Mother of us all"—demonstrating this expanded theology already exists within Christian traditions worldwide. We reference Jesus using feminine imagery and mystical teachers like Julian of Norwich who embraced God's mothering qualities centuries ago.Perhaps most powerfully, we suggest God transcends gender entirely, with the various expressions—Father, Mother, Spirit—serving as different access points for different human needs. The episode concludes with a beautiful prayer to Mother God, granting listeners permission to experience the divine in healing, expansive ways that honor their unique spiritual journeys.Has your understanding of the divine felt incomplete or limiting? This conversation might just unlock doors to spiritual healing you never knew existed. Join our community of spiritual explorers at expansionisttheology.com as we continue reimagining faith for wholeness, inclusion, and love.

Send us Fan MailWhat if everything you thought you knew about sin and separation from God was based on a misunderstanding? What if the true spiritual journey isn't about managing sin but remembering your divine nature?Shelley Shepard and Heather Drake dive into a spicy conversation about religious labels that have historically limited our spiritual experience. Through exploring Mary Magdalene as "the new Eve," they uncover a powerful alternative narrative—one where humans were never truly separated from the divine in the first place.Shelly and Heather challenge listeners to question inherited religious frameworks with the same question God asked Eve: "Who told you that?" This simple query opens the door to examining how certain theological constructs may have disconnected us from our birthright of divine communion. Drawing from both biblical narratives and apocryphal texts like the Gospel of Mary, they reveal how Mary Magdalene understood a profound truth—that transformation comes through presence with the divine, not through moral perfection or religious rule-following."Sin is what separates you from God, but there isn't anything that separates us from God," Heather explains, offering a radical reframing of traditional theology. This perspective invites listeners to put down the burden of sin management and instead embrace what Jesus actually taught: oneness with divine love.The conversation weaves between scripture, personal reflection, and spiritual insight to illuminate a path beyond religious trauma toward wholeness. Their message is ultimately one of liberation—that we can release limiting labels and experience what Mary Magdalene knew in her bones: we are "made of God, made of love," and nothing can separate us from this fundamental truth.Visit expansionisttheology.com to join our community and continue exploring how returning to divine wholeness transforms not just our spiritual lives, but our entire experience of being human.

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when the sacred spaces of our childhood reveal themselves to be breeding grounds for exclusion? Cara Meredith joins us to unpack her three-decade journey through evangelical church camp culture and the awakening that led to her powerful new book.From her first experience as a 9-year-old camper in 1988 to her final speaking engagement at a family camp in 2018, Cara's relationship with Christian camping environments evolved from wholehearted participation to thoughtful criticism. The turning point came when she witnessed firsthand the harm inflicted on LGBTQ+ individuals, women, and people of color within these supposedly sacred spaces."When it comes to the God who is love, when it comes to this God that I am meeting and promoting, who does no harm—if that is who I truly believe that God is, that God is a God of love and that God then calls us to be people of love and people who do no harm, then these two don't align," Cara explains, describing the dissonance that eventually led her away from evangelical camping environments.We explore how church camps often present a singular male image of God, reinforcing complementarianism, purity culture, and even elements of white Christian nationalism. Yet paradoxically, these same natural settings hold profound potential for authentic spiritual connection. As Heather reflects, "We were so close to the divine, we were so close to the mystery... Earth is our first monastery."The conversation moves beyond mere criticism to envision a better way forward—one where camps might become truly inclusive spaces that honor the sacred in everyone. Cara's journey reminds us that loving something deeply sometimes means being willing to criticize it, not out of bitterness but from a profound hope for transformation.Anyone who has experienced church camp—whether fondly or painfully—will find resonance in this honest exploration of how seemingly benign religious institutions can both form and harm us, and how we might reclaim what is beautiful while addressing what has caused damage.You can find out more about Cara Meredith by visiting her website https://www.carameredith.comYou can purchase her new book Church Camp at https://ggpbooks.com/book/9798889831006 or your favorite local bookstore.

Send us Fan MailImagine stepping into a story that has been told for generations, only to discover there's another way of seeing it entirely. Shelley and Heather invite us to reconsider the foundation stories that have shaped women's spiritual identity for centuries. Beginning with a delightful childhood tale of "stealing" Mary Magdalene from the Sunday school flannel graph, they explore how limiting narratives about Eve have been used to constrain women's spiritual authority and leadership throughout history.The magic happens when they reframe Mary Magdalene's garden encounter with the risen Christ as a powerful counternarrative to Eve's garden story. Where Eve was cast out, Mary is commissioned. Where Eve brought "sin" into the world, Mary brings resurrection news. This reframing offers women a spiritual lineage of power, authority, and divine calling rather than shame and limitation.Through thoughtful scriptural analysis and personal reflection, Shelley and Heather show how the Gospel of John deliberately positions Mary Magdalene as a new Eve figure – the "apostle of the new and greatest hope" as Pope Francis called her when establishing her feast day in 2016. They invite listeners to practice what they call "holy imagination" – the ability to see beyond limited interpretations to uncover buried truths about women's place in the divine story.This conversation isn't just theology – it's liberation. By reclaiming Mary Magdalene's position as first witness to resurrection and commissioned messenger, women can find a spiritual ancestor who represents their full humanity and divine calling. The hosts challenge all listeners to "make the beautiful the story" by focusing on the original blessing of being made in God's image rather than narratives of curse and shame.What would change in your spiritual life if you embraced Mary Magdalene as your spiritual ancestor rather than a "fallen" Eve? Listen and discover how resurrection stories can transform your relationship with sacred texts and spiritual authority.

Send us Fan MailWhat if the cosmic significance and divine orchestration of our lives were revealed in an ancient text? Together, we'll unravel the profound connection between the vast universe and our everyday experiences. Focusing on Mary 6:1-2, we'll discuss Peter's acknowledgment of Jesus' extraordinary love for Mary Magdalene and her unique spiritual perception. Moreover, we venture into the transformative role of women in early Christianity, through the lens of the Gospel of Mary. We ponder why Mary Magdalene might have been entrusted with unique teachings from Jesus and explore her openness, vulnerability, and deep attentiveness. This discussion extends to other influential women in Jesus' life, like his mother Mary, and the reverence they commanded. Closing our episode, we delve into the boundless nature of unconditional love, illustrating how it transcends judgments and liberates us. Embrace this heartfelt exploration and find inspiration to deepen your relationship with the Spirit of God.

Send us Fan MailIts a great, great day here and we are just thrilled to share the mic with Shannon Evans. In her latest book, "The Mystics Would Like A Word," Shannon highlights the profound legacy of women mystics like Marjorie Kemp, Catherine of Siena, and Teresa of Avila who trusted their own souls despite living in deeply patriarchal contexts. Their witness offers guidance for contemporary spiritual seekers navigating questions of institutional belonging and spiritual authenticity. Perhaps most powerfully, Shannon compassionately addresses those facing criticisms for expanding their spiritual horizons. Reminding us of Jesus's teaching that "the kingdom of God is within you," she validates our capacity to trust inner spiritual guidance. This isn't about the idea of rejecting external wisdom but recognizing that discerning truth is part of our spiritual birthright—we were created with an inner compass worthy of trust, the Holy Spirit.Ready to explore feminine spirituality and mystical wisdom? Buy THE MYSTICS WOULD LIKE A WORD from your favorite local bookstore, and be inspired. You may also be interested in buying Shannons other books Rewilding Motherhood and Feminist Prayers For My Daughter. You can also find more information about Shannon Evans here https://www.shannonkevans.com/You can also read other brilliant things Shannon is writing by subscribing to her Substack https://shannonkevans.substack.com/If you were interested in what you heard us talk about today you can connect with our community at expansionisttheology.com where we continue expanding our understanding of the divine beyond historic limitations.

Send us Fan MailWhat if everything you thought you knew about sin was actually keeping you from experiencing true joy? In this thought-provoking episode, Shelley and Heather challenge conventional religious narratives around sin, offering a liberating perspective that centers on love rather than separation.The conversation begins with a simple yet profound question: Do we need to confess sin to experience joy? This launches us into an exploration of original blessing versus original sin, inviting listeners to consider themselves as fundamentally loved and connected rather than inherently flawed and separate. Drawing from mystics like Julian of Norwich and scriptural wisdom, the hosts redefine sin not as moral failure but as "the essence of that which falls short of God's love."For those who have felt burdened by religious systems focused on "sin management," this episode offers a healing alternative.  Together, the hosts examine how confession can become not a burden but an awareness of both "what we have done and what we have left undone," particularly in addressing systemic injustice.Through the parable of the Good Samaritan and Jesus's consistent challenging of religious laws, we see how love transcends boundaries and categories. The episode culminates in a moving reading of 1 Corinthians 13, reminding us that love remains when all else fades away.Whether you're deconstructing from harmful religious teaching, seeking a more expansive spirituality, or simply curious about a different perspective on sin and love, this conversation invites you to return to love as your center. Join the community at expansionisttheology.com and discover how embracing original blessing can transform your relationship with yourself, others, and the divine.

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when we put down the stories that have limited us and pick up a pen to write our own? In this illuminating conversation with renowned author Laurie Beth Jones, we journey through the liberating practice of questioning inherited narratives and crafting something more authentic.Laurie Beth challenges us to recognize Jesus as the ultimate "plot twist" in spirituality—not a conquering king but a baby born to poverty who consistently broke social barriers. She invites us to examine biblical texts with fresh eyes, questioning interpretations that have marginalized women for centuries. "Just because it's written down in scripture doesn't mean it's accurate," she reminds us, opening doorways to more expansive understanding.The conversation weaves through powerful examples of women who refused to accept limiting narratives, like Joan of Arc who, against all odds, became history's most successful military general. Despite facing death threats from her own family, Joan told "a better story" about herself and her calling—a powerful template for modern women seeking to break free from constrictive expectations.Perhaps most compelling is the invitation to see ourselves differently. As one workshop participant realized, "I'm not the broken seashell in the jar—I'm the unsinkable cork." This shift in perspective represents the heart of telling a better story: recognizing our inherent worth and refusing to be defined by others' limitations.Whether you're questioning religious teachings, seeking to understand your purpose, or simply wanting to view your life through a more empowering lens, this conversation offers practical guidance for crafting narratives that heal rather than harm. Join us in exploring how, when we change our stories, we change our world.Visit us at expansionisttheology.com for more content and to join our online community.

Send us Fan MailWhat happens when you challenge traditional beliefs and set out on a path of expansive theology? Dr. Matte Downey joins us to unravel the mysteries of faith in a world hungry for diverse narratives. Her book, "Go Wide," serves as a beacon, guiding us through the transformative power of storytelling, from biblical parables to the enchanting worlds of C.S. Lewis and Tolkien. Together, we explore how embracing broader perspectives and questioning inherited traditions can lead to a more inclusive faith experience, filled with hope and joy even in the most turbulent times.Our conversation leads us into the realm of community learning, where curiosity thrives and diverse voices are celebrated. By examining stories that Jesus told, like the parable of the woman searching for her lost coin , we uncover unique portrayals of the divine and reflect on our own roles in these sacred narratives. This episode champions the shift from solitary study to communal exploration, highlighting the profound insights that emerge when we listen and learn together.Finally, we confront the shadows of fear that often loom over our spiritual journeys. Dr. Downey shares personal anecdotes and insights on how community support and love can empower us to face fear with courage.  Join us as we navigate these rich themes, offering listeners a chance to transform their perspective and embrace the ever-expanding canvas of faith and storytelling.

Send us Fan MailImagine if your ordinary morning coffee could serve as a conduit for divine joy. Shelley Shepard and Heather Drake invite you to explore this notion as we celebrate the Advent season by discovering joy amidst the ordinary. Through Mary's extraordinary story, we learn how everyday rituals, like savoring a cup of coffee, can become holy moments that ground us in love and holiness. Our lighthearted musings even question whether Mary had her morning brew before the angelic encounter, setting the stage for a deeper reflection on finding joy as a form of defiance against despair.Join us as we celebrate the feminine spirit by honoring the profound experiences of Mary and Elizabeth, two women who courageously challenged the status quo. We delve into the power of Mary's Song, a proclamation that uplifts the oppressed and heralds a new order through love's transformative power. Conversations in this episode reveal the strength found in surrender, the resilience in spiritual rituals, and the crucial role women play in divine narratives. This enriching dialogue invites you to embrace a transformative understanding of divinity and join a revolution of love, guided by Mary's faithful path and willingness to follow divine guidance.

Send us Fan MailWhat does true peace mean in a world fraught with noise and chaos? Join us as we journey into the heart of Advent, a time rich with themes of hope, peace, love, and joy. We offer our gratitude for a year of the Expansionist Podcast by exploring the Hebrew and Greek concepts of peace—"shalom" and "irene"—which invite us to rethink peace not just as an absence of conflict, but as a vibrant state of harmony and tranquility. Through a touching narrative about a friend’s grandmother approaching the end of her journey, we witness peace as a transformative portal to something greater.In this reflective episode, we embrace the nurturing imagery of peace as a maternal force, inspired by Ada Aroni's evocative poem, "Peace is a Woman and a Mother." This perspective urges us to envision a world beyond war and violence. We ponder the barriers that modern life—media and constant noise—erects between us and the ever-present spirit of hope, joy, and love. The spiritual symbolism of Advent invites us to expand our understanding, drawing parallels with the birth of Christ, the Prince of Peace, and challenging us to cultivate a deeper theology that sees spirit as a pathway to love.As we close, we contemplate a world yearning for peace amidst dissonance and violence. Drawing inspiration from Inez McBride's poignant quote, we express a collective desire for peace so profound it allows us to "hear the trees sing." This episode is an invitation to listeners to not only reflect but to actively become conduits of peace in their own lives. For those seeking further inspiration, we welcome you to explore more at expansionisttheology.com.

Send us Fan MailHave you ever wondered how hope can be both a gentle feather and a gritty sewer rat? That's exactly what we explore in this thought-provoking episode of the Expansionist Podcast. We start with two powerful poems: Emily Dickinson's "Hope is the Thing with Feathers" and Caitlin Sudea's contemporary reimagining, "Hope is Not a Bird, Emily, it's a Sewer Rat." Through this poetic conversation, we unravel the complex, multifaceted nature of hope and its significance in both privileged lives and those on society's fringes. As Advent unfolds, we question the limitations we often place on its potential, urging listeners to embrace this time as one of genuine transformation and profound connection.We delve deeper into how adversity sharpens the need for hope and how privilege might cloud its importance. Drawing wisdom from St. Paul and the life of Jesus, we highlight the power of sharing hope, particularly during times of darkness and renewal. Personal stories illuminate how relationships sustain hope, showcasing the delicate interplay between hope, trust, love, and faith. By embracing moments of intentional connection, we explore how hope can be shared, transferred, and ultimately, how it can become a catalyst for personal growth and communal strength. Join us as we invite you to slow down, listen deeply, and discover how nurturing hope can lead to rest, renewal, and unexpected growth.

Send us Fan MailWhat if a simple shift in perspective could turn your life from scarcity to abundance? Join us as we uncover the incredible power of gratitude with insights from our guests, Shelley Shepard and Heather Drake. Through spiritual texts, studies, and poetry, we explore how gratitude not only aligns us with promises of abundance but also enhances our mental and physical well-being. Our conversation is an invitation to embrace gratitude as a daily practice, nurturing deeper connections with ourselves, those around us, and the divine.Gratitude connects us physically to the world and enriches our spiritual experiences, especially during significant times like Advent. We discuss how it bridges the gap between the food on our table and the people who make it possible. The concept of Dayenu from Jewish tradition reminds us to appreciate what we have, fostering a holistic outlook on life that acknowledges both joy and suffering. By adopting a thankful posture, we find renewal, recognizing the love behind every good thing, and choose to see the goodness around us despite challenges.In a world fraught with adversity, finding gratitude can be transformative. We share a poignant story of a friend who honors gratitude through creating natural altars, proving that it transcends words, especially in moments of pain and trauma. The resilience of the human spirit shines through as we confront societal and environmental challenges, finding moments of appreciation amidst adversity. Supported by studies on its positive effects on longevity, gratitude is highlighted as an essential practice for embracing life’s complexities, offering hope and healing within a supportive community.

Send us Fan MailDiscover the profound lessons of faith and leadership with the insightful Laurie Beth Jones, celebrated author of "Jesus CEO," "The Path," and "Jesus in Blue Jeans." Join us as we explore Laurie Beth's innovative perspectives on Jesus, moving beyond traditional portrayals to uncover his compassionate and revolutionary nature. Through an engaging conversation, we delve into the themes of her book "Jesus in Blue Jeans," emphasizing the significance of small actions and Jesus as a liberator who championed freedom and kindness. Laurie Beth's reflections offer a unique lens on how we can incorporate Jesus's wisdom into our daily lives.Uncover the essence of a deep spiritual connection and the transformative power of viewing the Bible as a love story. We share personal stories of experiencing Jesus in intimate, everyday settings and reflect on how these moments free us from societal expectations and judgments. Our discussion also touches on the commitment and journey of bringing "Jesus in Blue Jeans" to life, illustrating the importance of living a faith-driven life and diving into one's personal truths.Consider the mystical and therapeutic connections between humans and animals as we explore divine communication through uncommon paths. From racehorses to pets, animals bring comfort and healing into our lives, reminding us of the omnipresent divine love. In our final chapter, we celebrate themes of gratitude and theological expansion, encouraging listeners to embody wisdom and love in their own journeys. 

Send us Fan MailWhat if the biblical stories we've known all our lives missed crucial voices—particularly those of women? Join us as we sit down with Dr. Froswa Booker-Drew to uncover the forgotten female leaders of the Bible and discover how reinterpreting these stories can empower the next generation of women in leadership. Heather Drake also weighs in on Jesus' revolutionary inclusivity, which not only created spaces for women but celebrated their inherent strength. This conversation reflects the significance of inclusive and compassionate storytelling to bridge gaps and build unity.We also delve into the evolving landscape of social and political activism for women and people of color. From the enduring struggle for pay equity to the contradictions of leaders who preach abundance while restricting opportunities, our discussion highlights the need for creating paths that empower marginalized groups. Drawing parallels between the past and present, we hold up figures like Mary Magdalene as timeless symbols of resilience and advocate for building inclusive communities that foster genuine change.In the final segments, we explore themes of generosity, love, and the sacred value of women. We emphasize the importance of recognizing our divine worth and the unique role women play in fostering love and hope. By broadening our perspectives through diverse voices and embracing cognitive dissonance, we challenge listeners to create spaces of genuine expression and to envision a more inclusive and hopeful future for the next generation. Join us in celebrating gratitude, love, and the boundless potential of every individual's story.

Send us Fan MailCould Mary's gospel offer a more profound understanding of love and faith? On this thought-provoking episode of the Expansionist Podcast, embark on an exploration of Mary Magdalene's life and her unique relationship with Jesus. By reflecting on her actions, like anointing Jesus and proclaiming his resurrection, we invite you to consider how her teachings might inspire new spiritual practices and a deeper connection to the Spirit today.Shifting our focus, we delve into the rituals and feasts found in the First Testament, emphasizing their importance in preserving spiritual treasures at a cellular level. Through personal anecdotes, such as the serenity found in nature's stillness, we illustrate the necessity of breaking from routine to enrich our spiritual lives. Mary Magdalene’s act of anointing Jesus becomes a powerful model for love and goodness, urging us to pay closer attention to lesser-known stories and the profound power of sacred love that they hold.Finally, we explore the expansive nature of sacred love at the heart of Mary Magdalene's gospel. By reading excerpts from Megan Watterson's work, we examine how true vision and love transcend the ego, connecting us more deeply with others and the Spirit. We ponder the miraculous survival of the Gospel of Mary and its potential to offer fresh perspectives on Jesus, emphasizing that love, as shown by Jesus, surpasses death and loss. Concluding with a reflection from Hildegard of Bingen on the Holy Spirit's role in creation, we honor Mary Magdalene's lasting impact and the transformative communion with the Spirit that her gospel invites us into. 

Send us Fan MailWhat if your words could break free from societal norms and connect souls on a deeper level? Together, we are exploring how renaming sorrow can become a direct path to divine connection. In our latest episode, we explore this and more with the extraordinary poet Chelan Harkin, whose upcoming book, "The Prophetess," is already making waves. Often compared to the legendary Rumi, Chelan's poetry resonates with profound emotional depth, offering readers a sense of being truly seen and understood. We journey through her early life, uncovering pivotal moments that shaped her poetic voice, and celebrate how her work evokes a sense of shelter and interconnectedness.Prepare to be inspired as we discuss the transformative power of poetry, especially for women navigating the heavy burden of shame and societal expectations. Chelan opens up about her personal journey, revealing how embracing one's truth and vulnerability can lead to profound change. From sharing stories of overcoming insecurity to exploring the limitless essence of the soul through hypnotherapy, this episode paints a vivid picture of the divine feminine and the soul's joyful potential. We’re not stopping there. You'll hear about the mystique of sacred poetry, particularly through the lens of women mystics, and its impact on breaking societal scripts. Chelan recounts the magic behind her poem "Say Wow," encouraging us to live in awe of everyday moments. With her new book "The Prophetess" set to launch this September, Chelan promises to offer readers an enriching exploration of life's most meaningful questions from a divine feminine perspective. Join us for this soul-stirring conversation and prepare to be moved.

Send us Fan MailCan you truly understand the essence of compassion and how to seamlessly incorporate it into your everyday life? Join us as we explore the profound depths of compassion, distinguishing it from emotions that often masquerade as its kin. Have you ever considered the question, "Who told you that?" as a compassionate invitation rather than a critique? Together, we challenge traditional interpretations of biblical stories that focus on judgment and guilt. By reflecting on the compassionate actions of figures like Jesus and Mary Magdalene, we'll uncover how curiosity and kindness towards oneself can lead to profound personal growth and deeper divine connections. Moving from self-judgment to self-love, you'll discover the freedom and flourishing that comes from embracing a compassionate approach to self-reflection.Dive into the multifaceted nature of compassion with us, as we explore its twin roles in alleviating suffering and promoting flourishing. We’ll share practical tools like the PULSE acronym from Frank Rogers’ book on compassionate practices and discuss how understanding our emotional reactions can foster a compassionate mindset. Plus, learn about Lori Beth Jones' Path Elements framework to better comprehend your elemental makeup and how it can ground you in your inherent worthiness. Don't miss the chance to take the free Path Elements assessment and embark on a journey towards greater self-compassion and belonging.

Send us Fan MailThis stirring episode join a continuing conversation exploring longings and how they shape, our human experience and our divine connections, and have the potential to illuminate our life's true calling.Personal narratives that resonate with anyone who's ever sought something just out of reach, Heather Drake shares how a childhood longing for paternal presence bloomed into a broader understanding of family and community. Journey with us as we contemplate the ways in which these deeply ingrained desires shape our identities, relationships, and spiritual quests for belonging. We unearth the significance of mirroring and engaging dialogues in the pursuit of recognizing our truest desires, fostering a sense of belonging within an inclusive congregation, and the spiritual nourishment found in acknowledging our yearnings.As we draw this episode to a close, we rest in the transformative power of our longings, invoking the poetic wisdom of John O'Donohue to guide us. We ponder how the courage to traverse the unknown, propelled by the whispers of our hearts, can yield a life rich with love, creativity, and friendships that echo the depths of our souls. So, we invite you to embrace this exploration as more than a conversation; it's an opportunity to honor the profound longings that are calling us toward our divine destinies.

Send us Fan MailHave you ever felt the echo of ancient patriarchal structures within your faith experience? Liz Cooledge Jenkins joins us with a treasure trove of insights from her book "Nice Churchy, Patriarchy," guiding us through the labyrinth of tradition to spotlight the Divine Feminine.  The conversation takes an enlightening turn as we explore the significance of diverse voices in theological discourse. We acknowledge the richness that women and people of color bring to our understanding of the divine, and share a pivotal moment of clarity that came from referring to the Holy Spirit with feminine pronouns. This episode is a journey through history and current impacts of patriarchal structures on spiritual narratives, highlighting the healing power found in embracing both masculine and feminine qualities within our divine explorations. Liz's insights dare us to envision a faith experience that is not just equalitarian but vibrantly holistic.We wrap our minds and hearts around the multifaceted identity of God, challenging the traditional gender binaries that have long dictated our perceptions. Engaging with the wisdom of womanist theology and figures like Julian of Norwich, our discussion celebrates the fluid and healing vision of God's identity that is both mother and father, neither and both. The transformative power of love is our chorus, humming through the conversation, as we emphasize the importance of the female voice and the divine feminine in shaping a spirituality that is liberating and life-giving. This episode is more than an exchange of ideas; it is an invitation to connect with the profound work of Liz Cooledge Jenkins and to embrace a spirituality that flourishes in the rich soil of love and femininity.

Send us Fan MailHave you ever wondered if there's more to spirituality than traditional practices? Join Shelly Shepherd and Heather Drake on a personal and historical journey, where we unearth the divine in the unexpected — from the beauty of a desert drive to the peak of a mountain hike. We weave tales of Joan of Arc, Jesus, and childhood mysticism, inviting you to rediscover the sacred voices that have called to you throughout your life. Heather shares her revelation of Jesus in a modern context, offering fresh spiritual exercises that stir the soul and encourage co-creation with the Spirit.The hustle of life often drowns out the sacred 'voice' we long to hear, leaving us adrift in a sea of 'noise.' Through the lens of Mary and Martha's story, we illuminate the struggle between being productive and being present. This episode challenges you to embrace the transformative power of sitting in love's presence, a state that can lead us back to our true source, sparking creativity and bringing harmony to our inner chaos. It's an invitation to slow down and savor the divine connections that flourish in stillness, rather than the ceaseless buzz of busyness.Lastly, we delve into the art of spiritual attunement, comparing the heart's tuning to the delicate process musicians undergo with their instruments. The wisdom of mystics like Hadewijch of Brabant and Thomas Keating guide our discussion on the simplicity of encountering God in the mundane and the profound healing offered through practices like centering prayer. As you join us, you'll find encouragement to trust in goodness, embrace renewal, and deepen your awareness of the divine that gracefully orchestrates the world around you. Continue this exploration of infinite spiritual landscapes by visiting expansionisttheology.com, where the journey toward boundless love and wisdom awaits.

Send us Fan MailEmbark on a transformative exploration of spirituality with us, as we uncover the untold stories of women mystics who defied the confines of patriarchal traditions to connect with the divine.  Shelly Shepherd and Heather Drake delve into the teachings of Mary Magdalene's gospel, revealing the presence of the divine within each of us. This narrative is not just a tale from the past; it's the heartbeat of our spiritual pursuits, guiding us to trust the wisdom and love that forms the foundation of our faith.The whispers of stillness and the power of silence await you in our conversation about how these practices have shaped the spiritual insight of revered figures like Jesus, Elijah, and Mary. We examine the elemental language of wisdom, the role of fire, earth, water, and wind, and discuss how Hindu teachings on conserving vital energy through silence can lead to profound mental clarity and spiritual expansion. Through this episode, we invite you to embrace the quiet, meditative space that can reorder your thoughts and connect you more deeply with the spiritual.As we delve into the mystical practice of Christian meditation, we consider the paradox of stillness as a dynamic state of being loved and connected. By reflecting on the anticipation of the Holy Spirit in the story of Pentecost, we understand waiting and listening as gateways to personal encounters with the divine. Let your heart's unique language guide you to experiences that transcend ordinary understanding. We invite you to join our reverent quest for spiritual depth at expansionistheology.com, where you can explore more content that illuminates the path to an enriched, joyous faith journey.

Send us Fan MailAwakening to a vast inner realm, we invite you to listen to our conversation where we  discuss the interplay of wisdom, spirit, and love as the bedrock of our faith journey. Throughout our dialogue, we reflect on how the spirit has been accessible to us in every season of life, emphasizing the vital role of hope in rekindling a connection with the divine, especially when our spirituality feels dormant. This episode is a heartfelt invitation to experience the Spirit beyond the rigid confines of religious dogma.  We delve into the transformative nature of the spirit of love, a force that can awaken us to a deeper understanding of our purpose in life. We highlight the importance of community and storytelling in deepening our connection to the Spirit, proposing a broader conversation on the often-misunderstood aspects of our spiritual existence.Step into a sensory-rich exploration with us as we liken the encounter with the Spirit to a taste that ignites a relentless pursuit. We draw on biblical narratives and personal experiences to illustrate how the Spirit compels us to move beyond conventional boundaries and embrace a more expansive, inclusive spirituality. Through the lens of Mary Magdalene's story and beyond, we examine the omnipresence of the Spirit and challenge the notion that the divine is distant, instead celebrating its integral presence within us. Together, Shelly and I seek to understand and honor the diverse ways the Spirit moves and manifests in all facets of life, inviting you to join us on this transformative journey.

Send us Fan MailHave you ever wondered about the power of the stories you tell yourself? Our latest episode guides you through a tapestry of narratives, love, and the spiritual journey of rewriting our life stories. Bathed in the themes of belovedness and innocence, we tap into the wellspring of love and worthiness that can transform our personal tales into beacons of hope and redemption. We draw from the wisdom of Mary Magdalene's journey of grief and resurrection to illustrate the profound impact of the feminine voice in storytelling, and how it can shape our understanding of both the divine and ourselves.This heart-to-heart conversation embraces the transformative process of death and resurrection within our own experiences. Through the embrace of our inherent belovedness and the power of divine love, we discuss how we can author new chapters in the story of our lives, especially for women and leaders in faith communities seeking guidance. With the biblical tenets of love, justice, mercy, and humility as our compass, we traverse the landscape of storytelling to uncover more inclusive and loving narratives.In our closing segment, the spirit beckons, inviting each of us to recognize our creation in the divine image and to ignite the creator within. By sharing the divine manifesto of spirit, drawn from the wisdom of ancient texts, we illuminate how the spirit shapes us into friends and prophets of God. Together, let's step into this welcoming space where every Wednesday, stories are shared, spirits are nurtured, and the guiding force of love presides over all. Join us, and let's co-author the transformative stories that define our existence.

Send us Fan MailHave you ever felt a tug at your heart, gently reminding you of a truth long forgotten—that you are inherently beloved? We warmly invite you into a heartfelt conversation that explores this very idea, revealing how embracing our belovedness can profoundly enrich our self-perception and divine connection. We unravel the tangled narratives that have for too long obscured this truth, especially for women, offering strategies to reclaim our inherent worth through contemplative practices and affirming relationships. Prepare to embark on a transformative journey where love becomes the bedrock of personal growth and the cornerstone of a compassionate society.Our latest dialogue shines a light on the anointing power of words and the daily affirmation of our belovedness, providing a compass to navigate through life's trials and tribulations. We delve into the grace that allows us to begin anew, encouraging each listener to hold the truth of their belovedness close, even when faced with criticism and self-doubt. Listen in as we discuss the concept of the divine feminine and its role in restoring our understanding of goodness, and join us in recognizing the wisdom that comes from knowing our true essence. This episode is not just a podcast—it's a sanctuary where wisdom and love meet, inviting you to see yourself and the world through the lens of belovedness.

Send us Fan MailDiscover your inherent worth and the life-altering power of divine love as we traverse the concept of 'belovedness' in our latest Expansionist Podcast episode. We delve into the transformative impact of understanding ourselves as 'beloved,' a term that signifies our deep connection to divine love and our own intrinsic value. By examining scriptural stories, like the baptism of Jesus and the idea of a new Genesis, we illuminate the potential for personal renewal when we embrace this sacred identity.In our conversation we share those pivotal moments of realization when the truth of belovedness dawns, offering a fresh perspective and the opportunity to reframe our relationships and self-image. We consider how the act of speaking blessings and recognizing our beloved status can co-create with the divine, we encourage you to listen and reimagine the language of your own life. The distinction between 'blessed' and 'cursed' dissolves in the light of belovedness, casting humanity in a more compassionate and unified framework.This episode is an invitation—step into a journey where the recognition of belovedness becomes a daily practice, transforming how you see yourself and interact with the world. By acknowledging that our belovedness is a truth we inherit, not earn, we pave the way for a life filled with dignity, respect, and a profound connection to all creation. Tune in to uncover how this subtle yet powerful shift can revolutionize your life's narrative, relationships, and spiritual path.#beloved #femininedivine #worthy # love #Jesus #JesusChrist #belonging #spirit #spirituality #new #hope #love #peace #deconstruction #Christian #egalitarian #feminist #prayer #music #ritual #podcast #expansionist #theexpansionistpodcast #lovewins 

Send us Fan MailHave you ever sensed a whisper of wisdom or a nurturing presence guiding you through life's complexities? Today's heartfelt episode draws back the veil on the often overlooked feminine divine, a force that has silently shaped the spiritual landscape across cultures and eras. In this conversation we journey into the sacred interplay between masculine and feminine aspects of the divine, discovering how this balance is not only essential but transformative for our faith communities and personal spirituality. We share enriching stories from those who've found solace and strength in the maternal aspects of the divine—a voice of compassion amidst a world of strife. The episode is an open invitation to listen more intentionally to the diverse and sometimes marginalized voices that carry the gentleness and empathetic resonance of the feminine divine, encouraging us to embrace a more inclusive approach to our spiritual understanding.As we honor women in scriptural narratives and reflect on their contributions to apostolic circles, we uncover a deeper layer of wisdom and empathy that enriches our spiritual practice. We highlight the roles of these often unsung heroines, whose stories are not just footnotes but foundational to the faith. By embracing the resonance of the feminine divine, this episode guides listeners toward a more complete and harmonious spiritual journey, one that fosters connection and healing. Join us for a transformative exploration that may just reshape the way you experience the divine in your everyday life.#expansionistpodcast #femininedivine #expansionisttheology #egalitarian #ancient #fifthwaylove #hope #love #spirit #spirituality #compassion #female

Send us Fan MailHave you ever considered the true significance of women in the story of Christ's birth? How two women, Mary and Elizabeth, brought a sense of belonging and community to the narrative? Join us, Shelly Shepherd and Heather Drake, as we embark on a journey through the Advent season, spotlighting the often-underestimated roles of Mary and Elizabeth. We discuss their bond and how their story exemplifies the divine's ability to work through even the most unexpected individuals.Imagine being a young girl given an immense task by an angel. What if that mission was to carry and birth the Messiah? We delve into Mary's encounter with Gabriel, the conversations she might have had with her cousin Elizabeth, and their shared experience of divine interventions. As we examine Mary's profound acceptance of her role and her powerful words in the Magnificat, we gain a deeper understanding of the feminine spirit of God and the call for all of us to participate with God in shaping the world.In the often chaotic path of growth and creation, wouldn't it be empowering to embrace confusion and messiness as a necessary part of the journey?  This understanding can lead to unique perspectives and co-creation with God. We also shine a light on the ancient texts of Mary and Elizabeth and the spiritual lessons we can learn from them. By the end of our journey, we hope to reveal how each individual plays an irreplaceable role in the divine narrative. So, join us, and let's together learn, grow and appreciate the incredible influence of women in the life of Jesus and the world.#expansionisttheology #spirituality #spirit #spiritual #wisdom #love #Sophia #feminist #theology #community #table #expansion #fifthwaylove #deconstruction #Jesus #annointing #marymagdalene #feminism  #Jesuschrist #holyspirit #women #feminine  

Send us Fan MailDo sacred words and their meanings intrigue you? Have you ever pondered upon the need to broaden our understanding of these divine words, especially in a world where they've been weaponized to control and suppress? Join us as we  navigate conversations about God, love, and the divine feminine.  We take a deep dive into the realms of spirituality, exploring the transformative potential of love and dwelling on the extraordinary gifts of Mary Magdalene. Are you aware of the true essence of the Gospel? We explore it as 'the good news,' encouraging you to live freely and lightly, connected to nature and others. We also talk about expanding our understanding of God, creating inclusive homes, and the importance of understanding sacred words in their truest form. We venture further into the divine feminine, the transformative power of beauty, and the significance of rituals in our spiritual connection. Let's redefine our actions with love as the foundation, drawing inspiration from the teachings of Jesus. Does the concept of fifth-way love resonate with you and its connection to Christianity? We wonder if churches are teaching this type of love and express our fervent hope for its expansion. We talk about personal transformation, the role of movements like the Nine Gates Mystery School, and the need to rediscover ancient wisdom traditions. Join us in this enlightening journey as we eagerly explore and live out fifth-way love. This podcast promises to challenge your beliefs, broaden your understanding, and help you embrace a more inclusive and expansive view of spirituality. #expansionisttheology #spirituality #spirit #spiritual #wisdom #love #Sophia #feminist #theology #community #table #expansion #fifthwaylove #deconstruction #Jesus #annointing #marymagdalene #feminism  #Jesuschrist #holyspirit #women #feminine  

Send us Fan MailHave you ever considered the transformative power of disruption? In this episode  we’re diving into how interruptions in life aren't always a bad thing; they can serve as catalysts for growth, help us redefine our spiritual grounding, and push us to discover innovative rituals that connect us to our inner wisdom and love.Our exploration of rituals redefines traditional concepts of prayer, expanding it beyond the confines of religion. We share personal anecdotes, examining how rituals from music to storytelling have evolved in our lives and helped us establish deeper connections with love and joy. We also delve into how rituals play a critical role in retelling stories and unifying marginalized individuals, thus emphasizing the power of the inner witness.In the pursuit of spiritual growth, we stress the significance of incorporating spiritual rituals into our routines. The practice of communion in everyday life, or the concept of anointing as a means of releasing burdens, serves as a profound way of connecting with others. We also discuss the importance of attuning to the spirit, which can bring wisdom and solace during overwhelming times. Through this exploration, we hope to inspire you to find your unique rituals to connect with the spirit and incorporate these practices into your daily life. Tune in for an engaging discussion on disruption, ritual, and spiritual evolution.#expansionisttheology #spirituality #spirit #spiritual #wisdom #love #Sophia #feminist #theology #community #table #expansion #fifthwaylove #deconstruction #Jesus #annointing #marymagdalene #feminism  #Jesuschrist #holyspirit #women #feminine  

Send us Fan MailHave you ever wondered about the wisdom and teachings of Mary Magdalene in the Gospel of Mary, and how it could be applied to our lives? Our conversation is poised to  to take you on a journey that challenges conventional thinking and uncovers the powerful influence of God's spirit. In this episode, we explore the nature of rules, the idea of holy imagination, and the essence of expanding love with inspiration from a text in the Gospel of Mary.Positioning love as the cornerstone of our conversation, we question the origins of rule books and their link to human immaturity. We invite you to contemplate the meaning of Jesus' teachings and the story concealed in them through the concept of holy imagination. Witness the power of understanding over simply stating opinions, and explore the significance of being mindful of wisdom. We argue against the accepted idea that war is a natural phenomenon, envisaging a world where it's obsolete.Lastly, we delve into the realm of wisdom, discussing how it manifests in different parts of the world and our daily lives. We emphasize the importance of curiosity, openness to learning, and the need for a better narrative. One where everyone is aware of their worth and sense of belonging. This dialogue is about fostering a realm of love and belonging for all of God's family. So, come along with us as we embark on this ambitious journey of expanding wisdom, spirit, and love together.#expansionisttheology #spirituality #spirit #spiritual #wisdom #love #Sophia #feminist #theology #community #table #expansion #fifthwaylove #deconstruction #Jesus #annointing #marymagdalene #feminism  #Jesuschrist #holyspirit #women #feminine