Exponential NEXT Podcast

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 105 Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry Description: In this episode, Patrick O’Connell is joined by guest Corey Garris to explore the foundational role of networks in church multiplication. Garris, a leader with the Front Range Multiplication Network (FRMN) in Denver, shares insights on shifting from isolated ministry to collaborative action. Host: Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director Guest: Corey Garris – Front Range Multiplication Network, Catalyst Links Shared in Episode: Reproducing Network Accelerator Category: Networks NEXT  

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 104 Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry Description: In this episode, Patrick O’Connell speaks with Eric Metcalf, a leader with Exponential and the Chicagoland Collective, about the vital role and challenges of network leadership in church multiplication. Host: Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director Guest: Eric Metcalf, Partnerships Director, Exponential and Chicagoland Collective, Catalyst Links Shared in Episode: Chicagoland Collective Website Category: Networks NEXT  

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 101 Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry Description: In this first episode, Patrick O’Connell, Director of Networks NEXT, talks with Mark Neal, COO of Apsire Network and Co-Founder of Clarity Ministries. The conversation in this episode centers around moving from an isolated ministry toward a mission-oriented community and calling leaders back to a shared mission. Host: Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director Guest: Mark Neal, Aspire Network, COO and Clarity Ministries, Co-Founder Links Shared in Episode: Clarity Leadership Collective Aspire Network Category: Networks NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 100 Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI Description: AI is here, and your congregation has questions. Is it a sin to use it? Will AI replace jobs? And what about your kids using it? Nils Smith, VP of Marketing for Faith Driven Entrepreneur and founder of Amplify Social Media, walks through the top 10 questions pastors are being asked about artificial intelligence. Learn how AI can be a tool for organizational efficiency and an “incredible tool” for spreading the Gospel, without replacing the essential human connection and worship the church is built on. Don’t miss Nils’ answers to the deepest question your members are asking: What makes humans special if AI can do what we do, perhaps even better than we can? This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next. Guest: Nils Smith, Faith Driven Entrepreneur, Vice President and Amplify Social Media, Founder Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 99 Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI Description: Jay Owen, Chief of Ministry Staff at Church of Eleven22, shares how his team builds custom ministry apps in hours using AI-powered tools. His church now creates software solutions for under $3 that used to cost tens of thousands of dollars and take weeks to develop. In this practical episode, Jay walks through real examples including: A personalized wallpaper creator built in 45 minutes the night before a major presentation A baptism registration system that served nearly 2,000 people A sermon search tool that indexes 890 hours of content Landing pages created for $0.50 in 2 minutes You’ll learn about vibe coding with tools like Replit, where ideas become working applications through simple descriptions. Jay walks through actual builds, shows troubleshooting in real time, and explains which projects work best for this approach. Whether you’re tech-savvy or someone who barely likes being on the computer, you’ll discover specific tools and workflows that reduce costs, improve user experience, and create stronger discipleship pathways. This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next. Guest: Jay Owen, Church of Eleven22, Chief of Ministry Staff Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 98 Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI Description: AI is a “force multiplier” for the Kingdom, but instead of being a friend or an enemy, you should make AI your frenemy. In this episode, Jason Morris introduces the “Art of AI Jiu-Jitsu”, teaching pastors how to use AI as an “adversarial network” to leverage its power while avoiding its weaknesses. Since the average church cannot afford to “own the compute” or “own the model,” the speaker argues that the greatest opportunity for pastors to use AI without becoming a commodity is to own the data. Some of the critical issues to discuss internally with church leadership are: Own the Prompts: The question of “who owns the prompts” is becoming more valuable than ever, and pastors should reuse and share them among staff to create efficiency and save time. Build Contextual Equity: Create a knowledge base of best practices around prompts to help onboard new staff and volunteers quickly. Leverage Context: Since “content is no longer the king… context is”, your unique human context with your church is your “superpower” that AI will never have. Focus on the Human Element: AI is designed for “dopamine, not truth” and excels at “sycophancy”. Pastors should prioritize relationships, care, and speaking the “cold hard truth”, actions AI cannot produce. Jason leads the conversation by showing how AI can be used to handle the “grunt work” like administration and research, freeing you to focus on the relationships and community that only humans can provide. This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next. Guest: Jason Morris, thechurch.digital, Director of Equipping & Mobilization Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 97 Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI Title: Chad Williams, CEO of FiveQ agency, provides a comprehensive biblical framework for evaluating AI and technology in ministry. Drawing from Scripture, he traces technology through creation, fall, and redemption to help church leaders make wise decisions about emerging tools. In this episode, Chad addresses the questions your congregation is already asking about AI. He explains why technology reflects God’s creative nature, how sin corrupts its purposes, and how redemption transforms even the most dangerous tools for kingdom impact. You’ll learn four practical evaluation questions for any technology decision: • Can I trust the source? • Is it communicating truth or spreading lies? • Does it amplify or replace human work? • Am I creating or just consuming? Chad demonstrates these principles across five ministry contexts: sermon preparation, administrative tasks, discipleship and pastoral care, outreach and communications, and volunteer training. Each example shows the “human sandwich approach” where human judgment bookends AI processing. Whether you’re responding to concerned congregation members or evaluating AI tools for your team, you’ll gain theological grounding and practical wisdom for stewarding technology in ministry. This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.   Guest: Chad Williams, Five Q, CEO Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 96 Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI Title: AI just removed the technology barrier that’s been killing your best ministry ideas. You’ve had this idea for months. A better way to equip parents. A simple volunteer system. A tool that helps your people apply Scripture to daily life. You can see it clearly. You know it would work. But then: “That would cost thousands.” “We’d need a developer.” Another God-given vision shelved. Kenny Jahng shows pastors how churches are using AI to create custom ministry solutions by simply describing what they need. No programming. No developers. No massive budget. Just you, having a conversation with AI—and watching it build exactly what you need. The prayer system your recovery ministry needs. The family discussion tool. The coordination system that fits YOUR church. AI builds it while you focus on ministry. You’ll see concrete examples, get a simple roadmap, and discover how your pastoral instincts guide AI to serve your vision. Use AI to build what your people actually need. You already know what’s needed. Now AI makes it possible. This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.   Guest: Kenny Jahng, AI NEXT, Director Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 95 Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI Title: How to Get Started with Agentic AI for Your Church and Ministry Natchi Lazarus breaks down agentic AI in plain language for church leaders who want practical solutions, not complicated tech jargon. Discover how AI agents work 24/7 on your behalf—creating content, posting to social media, and tracking results while you focus on people. You’ll learn the four essential components of AI agent systems, when to use agents versus simple AI tools, and the SONG framework for implementation. Get step-by-step guidance to deploy your first AI agents with no-code tools, understand multi-agent workflows, and set up proper guardrails. Whether you’re tech-savvy or a complete beginner, this episode shows you how to transform AI from a confusing buzzword into a practical tool that multiplies your ministry’s gospel impact without requiring coding skills or technical expertise. This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next. Guest: Natchi Lazarus – CC Academy, Founder/CEO Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 94 Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches Title: Team Development in a Multiethnic Church Context Unity matters in every church: but in a multiethnic church, cultivating a unified staff is both more challenging and more consequential. In this episode, we share transferable truths and practical insights to help leaders build effective, mission-aligned multiethnic teams. Host: Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director Guests: Nirup Alphonse – LIFEGATE Church, Lead Pastor Lawrence Hicks – Mosaic Church, Executive Pastor Paul Kroger – Vine & Village, Executive Director Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Disruption: Repurposing the Church to Redeem the Community

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 93 Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches Title: Community Engagement: Beyond Rhetoric to Results Pastors often say, “We’re going to take this city for Christ.” But have we ever actually seen that happen? And many churches claim to love their city—but does the city love the church back? In this episode, we’re joined by proven practitioners who share actionable insights for meeting real, empathetic needs in your community at the bridge of Christ’s humanity. Host: Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director Guests: Tommy “Urban D.” Kyllonen – Crossover Church, Lead Pastor Melissa Mixon – CrossPurpose, VP of Legacy Rodrigo Cruz – The United Methodist Church, Executive Assistant to the Bishop for the North Georgia Conference Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Disruption: Repurposing the Church to Redeem the Community The Power of Asking ‘What If?’

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 92 Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches Title: Theological Insights for Building a Healthy Multiethnic Church New Testament churches were intentionally multiethnic. They were envisioned by Christ in John 17, described by Luke in Acts 11, and prescribed by the apostle Paul throughout his life and writings. In this episode, credible practitioners and scholars come together to discuss the biblical mandate for the multiethnic church. Host: Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director Guests: Derwin Gray – Transformation Church, Lead Pastor Noemi Chavez – Revive Church, Lead Pastor Dr. Dominick Hernandez – Talbot School of Theology at Biola University, Associate Professor of Old Testament and Semitics Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Building a Healthy Multi-Ethnic Church: Mandate, Commitments, and Practices of a Diverse Congregation The High Definition Leader: Building Multiethnic Churches in a Multiethnic World

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 91 Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches Title: Multiethnic Church Planting, Growth, & Development Every church planter faces challenges. Those planting multiethnic churches face even more. Where does the passion come from, and how does the vision become reality? This conversation offers practical insight and quotable wisdom for leaders pursuing healthy, gospel-centered multiethnic churches. Host: Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director Guests: Naeem Fazal – Mosaic Charlotte, Co-Lead Pastor Kristin Mockler Young – Mosaic Charlotte, Co-Lead Pastor Bernard Emerson – Tapestry Church, Lead Pastor Collin Outerbridge – Nona Church, Lead Pastor Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Ex-Muslim: How One Daring Prayer to Jesus Changed a Life Forever Tomorrow Needs You: Seeing Beauty When You Feel Hopeless

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 90 Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches Title: Transitioning from Homogeneity to Healthy Multiethnicity In this episode experienced practitioners consider the how and what of transitioning a homogenous church into a healthy multiethnic church. Among other things, we explore personal calling, receptivity of denominational churches of over 100 years, prophetic vision and pace of change, how to foster cross-cultural relationships within the body, and turn the power and pleasure of God that uniquely dwells in unity and diversity, outward to impact and engage the community. The longer the conversation goes, the deeper and more actionable the insights—so be sure to stay tuned to the end! Host: Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director Guests: Libin Abraham – Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, Lead Pastor Mark Hearn – First Baptist Church of Duluth, Senior Pastor Oscar Acosta – Bend Church of the Nazarene, Co-Pastor RJ Strickland – Bend Church of the Nazarene, Co-Pastor Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Technicolor: Inspiring Your Church to Embrace Multicultural Ministry Building a Healthy Multi-Ethnic Church: Mandate, Commitments, and Practices of a Diverse Congregation  

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 89 Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches Title: Sociological Insights: Evaluating the Movement Past, Present, and Future Join sociologists Michael Emerson and Geoge Yancey to consider the history and trajectory of the Multiethnic Church Movement from the late 1990s to the present day. The conversation explores pains and gains over the past twenty-five years and what is needed to press on to maturity over the next quarter of this 100-year movement, which describes what is today the 2nd largest category of churches in the U.S. Host: Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director Guests: Michael Emerson – Rice University, Harry and Hazel Chavanne Fellow in Religion and Public Policy George Yancey – Baylor University, Professor of Institute for Studies of Religion and Sociology Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Divided by Faith, 1st edition Divided by Faith, 2nd edition United by Faith  

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 88 Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches Title: Developing Your CQ® This episode dives deep into the why, how, and what of developing Cultural Intelligence (CQ®). The conversation explores the four components of CQ—Drive, Knowledge, Strategy, and Action—and explains how pastors, staff teams, and entire churches can strengthen their CQ. With actionable insight and discussion of the CQ assessment tool, this robust interaction offers practical guidance for all who seek to understand diverse others and lead them to walk, work, and worship God together as one in the local church for the sake of the Gospel. Host: Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director Guests: Harry Li – Mosaix Global Network, Senior Consultant Graham McKeague – Mosaix Global Network, Certified CQ® Facilitator Jaye Goosby Smith – Pepperdine University, Vice President for Community Belonging and Chief Diversity Officer Markus Lloyd – Threaded, Founder/CEO Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Mosaix

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 85 Series: Ministry Reimagined What does meaningful ministry look like for the next generation? In this energizing and insightful episode, Tom Planck is joined by Olivia Williamson of Claim Your Campus and Emma Tautolo of AZ Reach, two leaders who are deeply invested in raising up Gen Z through prayer, leadership, and holistic community engagement. Olivia shares how Claim Your Campus is mobilizing middle and high school students to pray for their schools and communities, creating a grassroots movement of young people who are spiritually grounded and bold in their faith. Emma brings a powerful perspective from her work with AZ Reach, which empowers Arizona youth through mentorship, skill-building programs, entrepreneurship training, mental health support, and more. Together, they dive into what it means to reach, equip, and walk alongside a generation navigating immense cultural, emotional, and spiritual challenges. Whether you’re a church leader, youth pastor, parent, or someone passionate about the future of the Church, this conversation offers real stories, practical insights, and fresh vision for engaging Gen Z and beyond. — Host: Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures Guest: Olivia Williamson – Director, Claim Your Campus Emma Tautolo – Executive Director, AZ Reach Category: Innovation NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: azreach.com @azreach claimyourcampus.com Claim Your Campus App @claimyourcampus

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 84 Series: Ministry Reimagined What if evangelism wasn’t just about sharing the message of Jesus—but about sharing life with others? In this inspiring and deeply practical episode, host Tom Planck is joined by Akie Hadeed, Founder of Streets of Prayer, and Molly Soderstrom, Co-Founder and Executive Director of The Brook. Together, they explore the transformative power of relational evangelism, where faith is shared not from a platform but from the context of real, everyday relationships. Akie shares the global vision behind Streets of Prayer, an app and movement aiming to raise up a billion Spirit-filled followers of Jesus to cover every person and every place in persistent prayer by the year 2030. Molly brings her passion for multiplying everyday disciple-makers through The Brook, a movement mobilizing young professionals to live out the Gospel across generations. This conversation offers encouragement, strategy, and a renewed vision for how personal connection can open doors for spiritual transformation. Whether you’re in full-time ministry or simply want to love your neighbors better, you’ll be equipped and inspired to live and lead as a bridge builder in your own community. — Host: Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures Guest: Akie Hadeed, CEO/Founder, Streets of Prayer Molly Soderstrom, Co-Founder & Executive Director, The Brook Category: Innovation NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: streetsofprayer.com thebrook.city @thebrook.city  

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 83 Series: Ministry Reimagined What does ministry look like when the church goes beyond four walls and into the digital world? In this thought-provoking and timely episode, host Tom Planck sits down with Anne Bosarge, founder of Digital Discipleship and Mark Lutz, Founder and Lead Pastor of Lux Digital Church, to explore how technology is reshaping the way we reach, disciple, and walk with people in their faith journeys. Anne and Mark share their unique perspectives on building real, authentic relationships, even when those relationships begin on a screen. From online prayer and community to virtual mentorship and spiritual formation, we unpack both the incredible opportunities and real challenges of doing ministry in digital spaces. Whether you’re leading a church, launching a digital ministry, or just wondering how to better engage people online, this conversation will expand your vision for what’s possible. Ministry in the digital era isn’t about replacing face-to-face connection; it’s about leveraging technology to make the Gospel more accessible than ever before. — Host: Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures Guest: Anne Bosarge, Founder, Digital Discipleship Mark Lutz, Founder and Lead Pastor, Lux Digital Church Category: Innovation NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: digitaldiscipleship.online Digital Discipleship: Reimagining the Great Commission in a Digital World luxdigitalchurch.com [email protected]  

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 82 Series: Ministry Reimagined What happens when the Church doesn’t wait for people to come but goes to where they already are? In this insightful and energizing episode hosted by Tom Planck, Director of NEXT Ventures, sits down with Drew Cline of South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe and Shane Boyd of Gathering of Nomads to explore what it truly means to be a sent community. These two leaders are reaching people in vastly different, but equally impactful, contexts: Drew is engaging and discipling people in and around Central Arkansas, while Shane is ministering to individuals and families living in RV parks across the country. Together, they share powerful stories and practical strategies for how they’re discipling, equipping, and mobilizing believers outside of traditional church models. From house gatherings and mobile communities to persistent presence and relational evangelism, this episode unpacks fresh, contextual approaches to ministry that meet people where they are – literally. If you’re passionate about church planting, mission-driven community, or reimagining how the Gospel moves in the world today, this conversation will inspire and challenge you to think beyond the building. — Host: Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures Guest: Drew Cline, Elder & Lead Pastor, South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe Shane Boyd, Founder, Gathering of Nomads Category: Innovation NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: gatheringofnomads.com gatheringofneighbors.com southcity.org [email protected] 317.coffee

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 80 Series: A Called Generation Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode features Rachel McCord, celebrity entrepreneur, speaker, author, founder of Holy Spirit Vibe and The McCord List, and a shining example of resilience, faith, and bold living. You are made for more and you don’t have to play small. In this motivating episode, Carrie and Rachel dive into what it means to truly live from your full potential. Rachel shares the real-life lessons she’s learned on her journey from humble beginnings in Georgia to building nine companies, overcoming severe health challenges (including open-heart surgery), and becoming a mentor and inspiration to millions around the world. What you’ll explore: Moving Beyond Limits: How to recognize and break through the self-doubt, fear, and comparison that keep you playing small. Embracing Your Story: Ways to turn pain, setbacks, and even “messy middles” into fuel for growth and use your past as a launchpad for your future. Faith and Purpose in Action: Rachel’s testimony on how her faith and obedience to God’s call transformed her life, led her to launch Holy Spirit Vibe, and gave her a passion to help others encounter healing and freedom. Practical Steps to Maximize Your Potential: Strategies to protect your energy, steward your influence, and show up fully no matter your current season or platform. Rachel’s authenticity and faith shine through as she encourages listeners to stop waiting for perfect circumstances and start living boldly today. Her story is a reminder that you have unique gifts, an important mission, and unlimited potential right where you are. Expect real talk, practical encouragement, and an invitation to rise into everything you’re created to be. You don’t have to settle. You’re called to live fully, freely, and on purpose. — Host: Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT Guest: Rachel McCord, Founder, Holy Spirit Vibe and The McCord List Category: Generation NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: HolySpiritVibe.com TheMcCordList.com

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 79 Series: A Called Generation Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode features Cheryl Nembhard, Executive Director of the Women’s Speaker Collective. Where you are is not an accident; it’s an assignment. Carrie and Cheryl explore what it truly means to embrace the power of your current position, no matter how grand, ordinary, or overlooked it may feel. Drawing from Cheryl’s experience, this conversation is packed with real-world insight for anyone wondering how to make an impact right where they are. You’ll hear: Why your seat, your current role, season, or circumstance, is an endorsement from God, not a waiting room for something “better”. How to steward influence with integrity, whether you’re a student, entry-level employee, volunteer, or emerging leader. The freedom that comes from trusting that God has gone before you, securing your purpose and position, so you can lead from a place of rest and confidence, not striving or comparison. We will remind you that you don’t need a title or platform to change the world. You just need to show up, right where you are, with faithfulness and courage. This episode will challenge you to see your current position as a gift and a launchpad for all God wants to do in and through you. — Host: Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT Guest: Cheryl Nembhard, Executive Director, Women’s Speaker Collective Category: Generation NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Women’s Speaker Collective Website @cherylnembhard on Instagram ‘On the Path’ podcast ‘Together We Rise’ Podcast

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 75 Series: A Called Generation Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential, with special guest Brad Lomenick, leadership consultant, speaker, founder of BLINC, and author of The Catalyst Leader and H3 Leadership, this episode kicks off the series with a powerful reminder: Purpose is the why. Calling is the how. You were born for this moment. In this episode, Carrie and Brad unpack what it means to live with purpose (your “why”) and how your current season, no matter how uncertain or unexpected, can be the very place where your calling (your “how”) starts to take shape. Together, they explore: Why your life and experiences are uniquely positioned for this time How to recognize purpose in your present, even if it feels messy or unclear The difference between discovering your purpose and walking out your calling Practical ways to start moving in purpose, right where you are No matter where your at on your journey, this episode will encourage you to stop waiting for clarity and start living with intention. You have a “why” and your “how” begins now. — Host: Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT Guest: Brad Lomenick, Former President of Catalyst, Founder of H3 Leadership Category: Generation NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: H3 Leadership Podcast H3 Leadership: Be Humble. Stay Hungry. Always Hustle

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 74 Series: Church Expressions NEXT What if church planting wasn’t tied to a place—but to a people? In this episode, we explore the innovative world of affinity church planting—a model focused on reaching specific communities rather than geographic regions. Join us as we hear from Stephen Barr, founder of Cast Member Church, which ministers to Walt Disney Company employees around the world, and Victor Glover, leader of Fathers on the Move, a movement planting churches within federal and state prisons. Through powerful stories and practical insight, they share how relational discipleship, hospitality, and trust-building can lead to deep spiritual transformation—often in places the traditional church may not reach. This conversation challenges conventional models and invites you to imagine how God might be calling you to minister to the people you’re uniquely positioned to reach. — Hosts: Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential Guests: Steven Barr, Co-Founder & Visionary Leader, Cast Member Church Victor Glover, CEO/Executive Director, Fathers on the Move Category: Church Expressions NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Fathers on the Move website Last Days World Outreach Ministries website Cast Member Church website

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 73 Series: Church Expressions NEXT Can a church actually grow by getting smaller? Join Bill Couchenour as he sits down with Jason Shepperd, founder of Church Project in The Woodlands, Texas, to uncover the secrets to Network Church Planting. Explore the power of relational communities, discover how to cultivate leaders from within, and learn how to use your church building as a shared resource for the community. For pastors curious about transitioning from traditional church models, Jason offers thoughtful advice: start small, lead with biblical conviction, and let the vision take root gradually. This episode invites you to rethink what it means to plant—and multiply—churches in ways that are relational, reproducible, and rooted in everyday life. — Host: Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential Guest: Jason Shepperd, Founder and Lead Pastor, Church Project Category: Church Expressions NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: A Church of House Churches: An Articulated and Applied Ecclesiology Church Project Rethink and Return Podcast Good. God. Gospel.

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 69 Series: Church Expressions NEXT Is your church ready to reach more people in more places? Dive into the world of multisite church with Christy Gibas, Lead Pastor of The Table Church. Drawing from her own leadership journey, Christy offers a behind-the-scenes look at how her church has reproduced its ministry into multiple locations. She unpacks the vision, strategy, and lessons learned along the way—offering practical insights for any church exploring the multisite church planting model. Don’t miss this inspiring conversation about growth, leadership, and multiplying ministry impact. — Hosts: Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential Guest: Christy Gibas, Lead Pastor, The Table Church Category: Church Expressions NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: The Table Church – Disciple-Making Tools Start a Table Crash Course

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 68 Series: Church Expressions NEXT In this episode, join hosts Carrie Williams and Bill Couchenour as they sit down with Léonce Crump—Co-Founder and Senior Pastor of United Church—for an honest and inspiring conversation about traditional church planting. From his journey in the NFL to his calling into vocational ministry, Léonce opens up about the path that led him to plant a traditional church. He shares not only his personal story, but also the realities of starting, leading, and sustaining a church in today’s cultural landscape. Tune in for a moving conversation about calling, perseverance, and the complex, rewarding journey of church planting. — Hosts: Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential Guest: Léonce Crump, Co-Founder and Senior Pastor, United Church Category: Church Expressions NEXT — Resource mentioned in this episode: United Church

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 67 Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church In this episode Inés Velásquez-McBryd shares her journey to becoming a church planter and lead pastor. She also shares about the lessons learned and the community impact of leading a church through challenging seasons! — Hosts: Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director Guest: Inés Velásquez-McBryde, The Church We Hope For, Co-Founder & Lead Pastor Category: Women NEXT — Resource mentioned in this episode: The Church We Hope For

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 66 Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church What does it mean to go first—when no one who looks like you has gone before? In this episode of the the series, Sue and Lori talk with Rev. Dr. Kate Coleman—the first Black woman ordained as a Baptist minister in the UK—and Rev. Cham Kaur-Mann—the first and only Asian woman minister in the Baptist Union of Great Britain. Together, they reflect on the challenges of being first, what they’ve learned, and the legacy they hope to leave for women in ministry. — Hosts: Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director Guests: Rev. Dr. Kate Coleman, Founding Director, Next Leadership Rev. Cham Kaur-Mann, Co-Director, Next Leadership Category: Women NEXT — Resource mentioned in this episode: Metamorph by Kate Coleman

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 65 Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church Molly answered God’s call to move her family to Denver with a heart for reaching the lonely and lost young adults living there. By using some need unique connecting strategies that do not include Sunday gatherings Molly and her team are having a huge impact through The Brook. Molly also shares some valuable things she learned about herself and her leadership along the way! — Hosts: Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director Guest: Molly Soderstrom, The Brook, Co-Founder and Executive Director Category: Women NEXT — Resource mentioned in this episode: The Brook

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 61 Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church In ministry, change is to be expected. We watch people come and go, leaders change lanes, and even the structures of our ministries or churches change. But what is it like to navigate our own transitions out of long held roles into new God-given opportunities? Join Lori, Sue, and guest Janet McMahon as they discuss big transitions they’ve each walked through. — Hosts: Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director Guest: Janet McMahon, CarePortal, Kansas City Metro Area Director Category: Women NEXT — Resource mentioned in this episode: CarePortal

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 60 Series: Digital Discipleship Being part of a church is so much more than just consuming spiritual content. Yet, we all know there are people—both online and in person—who are simply there to consume. In this conversation with Matt Welty, we discuss how Crossroads Church in Cincinnati got into online ministry and how Matt has pioneered the Crossroads Anywhere initiative. Their church, which gathers more than 20,000 people each weekend, has experimented with countless online strategies. Matt shares his greatest insights from leading Crossroads Anywhere and what he’s learned along the way. — Host: Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director Guest: Matt Welty, Crossroads Church, Director of Studio Category: Digital Church NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Exponential YouTube Channel

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 56 Series: Digital Discipleship You might not expect someone who has managed billions of dollars in church building projects to be passionate about digital ministry—but Nathan Artt is. Having experienced its impact firsthand, he sees digital ministry as a vital part of the church’s future, both online and in physical spaces. Join us for a fascinating conversation on how the digital realm can be seamlessly woven into church buildings and in-person gatherings to create a more connected and effective ministry. — Host: Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director Guest: Nathan Artt, Ministry Solutions Group, Principal & Founder Category: Digital Church NEXT —

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 55 Series: Digital Discipleship Live streaming is just the beginning—true digital ministry goes far beyond broadcasting. Join us for a conversation with Jason Morris as we explore how to move beyond the livestream and into authentic, transformative discipleship in the online space. — Host: Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director Guest: Jason Morris, The Church.Digital, Equipping and Mobilization Director Category: Digital Church NEXT —

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 54 Series: Digital Discipleship Saddleback Church is one of the most influential churches in the world, and for years, Jay Kranda has been at the forefront of its digital ministry. With unparalleled experience in leading online church communities, Jay has helped shape the future of digital discipleship. Join us for an insightful conversation as we discuss the evolution of online ministry at Saddleback, how new campuses have emerged through their digital presence, and what the future holds for church engagement in virtual reality. — Host: Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director Guest: Jay Kranda, Saddleback Church, Innovative Tech Pastor Category: Digital Church NEXT —

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 52 Series: Multiethnic Church Planting In this episode, sociologist Korie Little shares her research and practical insights into how planters of color can heal and overcome the racial challenges to lead healthy multiethnic churches. — Hosts: Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships Guest: Korie Little – Ohio State University, Associate Professor of Sociology Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT — Resource mentioned in this episode: “Estranged Pioneers” by Korie Little

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 49 Series: Multiethnic Church Planting Join us as Len Tang and Corey Lee have a conversation with Heidy Tandy, Senior Director of Discovery at Stadia. Heidy shares what Stadia has learned from revamping their church planter assessment process to include diverse planters and church planting models. — Hosts: Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships Guest: Heidy Tandy – Stadia, Senior Director of Discovery Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT — Resource mentioned in this episode: Stadia Discovery Center

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 48 Series: Multiethnic Church Planting In this episode, Dhati Lewis from MyBlvd joins Len Tang and Corey Lee as they discuss the specific kind of training that diverse, urban missionaries, and planters need to reach their communities. — Hosts: Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships Guest: Dhati Lewis – MyBlvd, Founder Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: My Blvd

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 47 Series:Multiethnic Church Planting Our multiethnic church planting conversation begins with the leaders of the Multiethnic Collaborative, a group of church planting leaders of color seeking to raise up the next generation of diverse church planters. — Host: Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships Guests: Chris Brooks – Clarendon Capital Ventures, Co-Founder Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome Lori Ruffin – Women NEXT, Co-Director Mozart Dixon – Stadia, VP of Planter Services and Products Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Multiethnic Collaborative “Estranged Pioneers” by Korie Little Edwards “Attending Exponential While Black” Exponential NEXT article by Corey Lee  

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 45 Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches? In this episode, Jason Malec, Director of Gloo AI, sits down with host Kenny Jahng to explore the parallels between Napster’s disruption of the music industry and today’s AI-driven challenges for content creators. Jason shares a compelling vision for protecting intellectual property in a digital age, outlining principles like consent, credit, and compensation to ensure creators retain control and honor over their work. Pastors, ministry leaders, and content creators will gain practical insights into stewarding AI tools ethically while leveraging their potential for Kingdom impact. Don’t miss this timely conversation on navigating technology with integrity and innovation. — Host: Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director Guest: Jason Malec, Gloo AI, Director Category: AI NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Jason’s Article on The Napster Moment Gloo AI AI NEXT      

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 44 Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches? In this episode, Kenny Jahng sits down with Corey Alderin, founder of Sermon Shots, to discuss how AI can help churches extend the reach of their sermons far beyond Sunday. Corey shares how his innovative platform makes it simple to transform sermons into impactful short-form videos, devotionals, and global outreach tools in just minutes. From practical tips on leveraging social media to insights on dispelling AI misconceptions, this episode is packed with actionable strategies for pastors and church leaders looking to engage their communities and share the Gospel more effectively online. Don’t miss Corey’s inspiring vision for the future of AI in ministry. — Host: Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director Guest: Corey Alderin – Sermon Shots, Founder Category: AI NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Corey Alderin’s personal site SermonShots.com RepurposeYourSermon.com    

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 43 Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches? Dive into this episode of the AI NEXT series, What’s NEXT with AI for Churches? where host Kenny Jahng sits down with James Poulter, Head of AI at House 337, to explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping ministry, society, and relationships. From conversational AI to artificial general intelligence (AGI), this episode tackles the ethical, practical, and spiritual implications of AI—and what it all means for church leaders. — Host: Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director Guest: James Poulter, House337, Head of AI & Innovation Category: AI NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: ChatGPTforChurches.com AI for Church Leaders & Pastors Facebook Group  

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 42 Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches? In this episode of What’s Next with AI for Churches?, AI NEXT Director, Kenny Jahng sits down with Jason Moore, author of the book, AI and the Church, to explore the real opportunities and challenges of AI in ministry. Jason breaks down common misconceptions, addresses ethical concerns like data privacy, and highlights how AI can assist—not replace—church leaders. From practical use cases that save time to tips for fostering open conversations about AI in your church, this episode offers a balanced, no-hype perspective on navigating this powerful technology. Don’t miss Jason’s insights on the future of AI and how churches can embrace it responsibly and creatively. — Host: Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director Guest: Jason Moore, Midnight Oil Productions, Principal Category: AI NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: AI & The Church Midnight Oil Productions ChatGPTforChurches.com

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 41 Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches? In this episode, Kenny Jahng, Director of AI NEXT, interviews Natchi Lazarus, an internationally recognized expert in faith-based marketing and AI innovation. Together, they dive into a powerful and often-overlooked opportunity: how church leaders can leverage AI to become true digital disruptors and pioneers in the crowded world of social media and content creation. The conversation revolves around a critical question: How can the church maintain authenticity and lead in a digital age dominated by AI-generated content and attention scarcity? Natchi shares his journey from media and marketing into faith-based work, highlighting how the emergence of AI represents not just a technological shift, but an opportunity for ministries to redefine their presence and influence. He offers specific, actionable insights on how AI can amplify the church’s impact while preserving its mission, and the surprising ways ministries can set a new standard for trust in an era where authenticity is often questioned. — Host: Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director Guest: Natchi Lazarus, co-founder of Open Minds Digital Agency & Connected Church Academy Category: AI NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: AI Tools: Perplexity, ChatGPT, Syllaby Book: The Connected Church

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 40 Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches? In this episode, host Kenny Jahng sits down with Brian Beauford, Executive Pastor at Grace Church, to explore how pastors can use AI to repurpose their sermons into powerful, engaging content. Learn how to transform long-form sermons into short video clips, blog posts, discussion guides, daily devotionals, and more—reaching your congregation and beyond throughout the week. Packed with practical tools, creative ideas, and actionable tips, this conversation will help you maximize your content’s impact while saving time and energy. Don’t miss this opportunity to discover how AI can supercharge your ministry’s reach. — Host: Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director Guest: Brian Beauford – Executive Pastor, Grace Church Category: AI NEXT — Resources mentioned in this episode: Productive Pastor: productivepastor.com Repurpose Your Sermon: repurposeyoursermon.com SermonShots Repurposing Tool: SermonShots.com Free transcription tool: riverside.fm/transcription

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 39 Series: Snapshots of Innovation Episode Description: In this episode, we talk with Dave Miller, co-founder of Leadership Pathway and Cliff Forbes, Executive Director of Trellis Churches. Both of these organizations are rethinking leadership development for the next generation through an innovative approach to funding, training, and equipping future pastors and leaders. Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures.   Host: Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures, Director Guests: Dave Miller – Leadership Pathway, Co-Founder Cliff Forbes – Trellis Churches, Executive Director   Category: NEXT Ventures —

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 38 Series: Snapshots of Innovation In this episode, we have a conversation with Drew Cline, a pastor and church planter in Little Rock, AR that successfully relaunched a historic legacy church and is now reinventing the ministry once again through South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe. We also hear from Joel Lutz, Executive Director of mosaiXmultiply, an organization helping to plant hundreds of multi-cultural churches around the globe. Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures. — Host: Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director Guests: Drew Cline – South City Church, Lead Pastor Joel Lutz – mosaiXmultiply, Executive Director Category: NEXT Ventures —

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 37 Series: Snapshots of Innovation In this episode, we chat with Jordan Bochinski, one of the founders of the Collide Conference now reaching thousands of young adults in Canada. Jordan shares his story of revival and life transformation in this post-Christian country. We then talk with Emilee Westervelt, Executive Director of The Lovely Project, a non-profit empowering young women in midde schools and high schools across central Florida. Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures. — Host: Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director Guests: Jordan Bochinski – Co-Director/Founder, Collide Conference Emilee Westervelt – Executive Director, The Lovely Project Category: NEXT Ventures —

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 36 Series: Snapshots of Innovation In this episode, we begin with an interview with Greg Atkinson, founder of EntreChurch, a ministry that helps pastors and churches rethink missional engagement by starting and supporting local businesses. We then hear the story of Carl Johnson, an entrepreneurial pastor in St. Paul, MN, who has a passion to “vigorously plant churches in impoverished communities” through an entrepreneurial approach with Faith City Church Network. Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures. — Host: Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director Guests: Greg Atkinson – Founder, EntreChurch Carl Johnson – Lead Pastor, Faith City Church Category: NEXT Ventures —

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 35 Series: Snapshots of Innovation In our second episode of this series, we feature Victor Glover, CEO of Fathers on the Move, an organization empowering formerly incarcerated men to lead their families and churches on purpose. We will also learn from Akram Hadeed, an app developer and the founder of Streets of Prayer, whose audacious dream is to cover every street in the world with prayer by 2030. Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures. — Host: Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director Guests: Victor Glover – CEO, Fathers on the Move Akram Hadeed – Founder, Streets of Prayer Category: NEXT Ventures —