Money, Meet Meaning

What does it mean to invest in a way that aligns with your deepest beliefs? In this episode, Tom and Amber explore the principles of halal investing with Amjad Quadri, who works at the intersection of faith and finance. Amjad explains how Islamic investing avoids “sin stocks” like alcohol, gambling, and interest-based lending – and how it’s guided by both spiritual principles and practical financial frameworks. From navigating homeownership without traditional mortgages to understanding gratitude and trust through a faith lens, he offers a window into a system that is both disciplined and deeply values-driven. The conversation reveals a broader appeal, with many non-Muslim investors drawn to the approach. The episode wraps with a lively “Halal or Not at All?” segment, putting real-world financial dilemmas to the test. The conversation is a thoughtful look at what it means to invest with intention, regardless of your specific spiritual beliefs. About Amjad Quadri: Amjad M. Quadri joined the Chicago office of Saturna Capital in June 2015. As a Regional Manager, he brings experience in Islamic banking, including business and product development. You can find Amjad on LinkedIn. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After their conversation with philanthropists Kim Duchossois and Jessica Swoyer Green, Amber and Tom return to explore one of the thorniest questions in generosity: If you have more, should you give more? What unfolds is a candid, thoughtful look at the tension between purpose and self-preservation – between the call to give and the instinct to save. Drawing on wisdom from Jewish teaching, Christian scripture, and behavioral science, Amber and Tom dig into why giving is hard to do – yet why it feels so good – and how to know how much giving is “enough.” They wrestle with questions about timing, limits, legacy, and control: Is it better to give now or later? How much should we direct our gifts? And what do we owe our children – security or the opportunity to struggle and grow? It’s a warm and honest conversation about generosity, trust, and the values that guide us when the stakes are high. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What does it mean to leave a legacy?  In this episode, hosts Amber Hacker and Tom Levinson sit down with Kim Duchossois and Jessica Swoyer Green, a mother-duo from one of Chicago’s most community-minded philanthropic families, to explore what gets passed down through generations besides wealth. Kim and Jess share how their family shifted from transactional to transformational giving, the rising influence of women in philanthropy, and why values like integrity, empathy, and connection can matter more than a balance sheet. Together, they look honestly at the challenges of raising children with grounded values, navigating generational transitions, and choosing service over status.  Whether you’re thinking about your own family’s story, what you hope to hand down, or how generosity can reshape a community, this conversation offers a rare window into a legacy built not on money but on meaning. About Kim Duchossois & Jessica Swoyer Green: Kim Duchossois and Jessica Swoyer Green are a prominent philanthropic mother-daughter duo redefining generosity across generations.  For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After talking with Harvard Business School’s Nien-Hê Hsieh about moral gray zones in leadership, Tom and Amber zoom in on the everyday gray zones most of us face: What do you do when ethical clothing costs twice as much? Should you switch banks if yours funds fossil fuels? How much label-scanning is too much? From private school garage sales as a surprisingly ethical hack to choosing a local community bank over a national giant, they explore creative “third ways” that move beyond cynicism or naïveté. Tom introduces the idea of a spending “shot clock” – a time limit to keep values-driven decisions from turning into analysis paralysis. Grounded in listener questions and ancient wisdom from the Bhagavad Gita, this episode offers practical guidance for the conscious consumer – and helps us let go of the illusion that any purchase can ever be perfect. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ever tried to buy some chocolate and ended up in a spiral of label-scanning and ethical cross-checking? Tom and Amber open this episode with the dizzying reality of ethical consumerism – and then zoom out. They’re joined by Nien-Hê Hsieh, who grew up with the Doomsday Clock on his family’s kitchen counter – a daily reminder that money, power, and human choices carry existential weight. Now a professor at Harvard Business School, Professor Hsieh teaches leaders how to navigate the moral gray zones where profit, fairness, and human dignity collide. From childhood lessons about generosity and anxiety to teaching The Spiritual Lives of Leaders, Professor Hsieh explores the tension between ambition and integrity. He challenges listeners to imagine a “spiritually mature economy” – one that treats money not as an end, but as a tool for care, justice, and shared flourishing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After their conversation with Buddhist teacher Cara Lai, Amber and Tom return to one of the deep tensions at the crossroads of spiritual life and financial planning: Do we save and prepare for the future, or trust that resources will appear when we’re living into our purpose? From Cara’s confessed hatred of her 401(k) to modern-day parables, Buddhist wealth teachings, and listener stories, Amber and Tom explore the tension between trust and stewardship. They also wrestle with real-life dilemmas: giving generously when you have a family to support, helping a friend in need, navigating a spouse’s very different approach to money, and wondering whether saving money blocks the flow of generosity. A relatable guide for anyone trying to build a future while maintaining trust, openness, and a generous spirit. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if your money habits say more about your heart than your bank account?  In this episode Tom Levinson and Amber Hacker talk with Cara Lai, a Buddhist mindfulness teacher, about the spiritual side of money. Cara shares why she hates her retirement account, and how she’s learning to move from fear-based saving toward generosity and trust – including through a pay-what-you-choose model for her teachings. Together, they explore what it means to balance the practicality of providing for a family with faith in the flow of life – and how generosity can be both a spiritual practice and a source of real-world abundance.  About Cara: Cara Lai is a Buddhist teacher, artist, and writer known for her humor, honesty, and ability to make ancient wisdom feel accessible in modern life. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After talking with AI investor Colin Evans, Amber and Tom return to the mic to wrestle with the thorny questions Colin’s episode raised. Can purpose win out over profit – or does money have the final say? If AI frees us from toil, is that liberation – or the loss of something essential? And what values should guide the people building our machines – should there be a “Hippocratic Oath” for AI programmers?  Through wit, warmth, and a few well-timed tangents, Amber and Tom explore how spiritual traditions might help us navigate this new frontier – where work, wisdom, and technology meet. It’s a conversation for anyone wondering how to stay human in an age of machines and algorithms, and whether we can build with both head and heart. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when artificial intelligence meets ancient wisdom? In this episode, hosts Tom Levinson and Amber Hacker talk with Colin Evans, a tech innovator and AI investor whose journey spans Buddhist monasteries, Catholic churches, and Silicon Valley boardrooms. Colin shares how his spiritual roots inform his work at OpenAI, and why he believes AI has the power to free people–not just to do more or make more money, but to live more meaningfully. From saving money on school supplies with ChatGPT to exploring whether efficiency is a spiritual value, the conversation dives into how technology can both challenge and deepen our faith. Along the way, Colin reflects on the “missionary” founders shaping AI’s future and the spiritual questions that surface when machines free us from work. About Colin: Colin Evans is a tech innovator, investor, and AI advocate whose career has spanned roles at StubHub, GameTime, and OpenAI. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After their conversation with Dr. Che “Rhymefest” Smith, Amber and Tom return to a provocative line attributed to Quincy Jones: “When money walks in the room, God walks out.” Is that true – or does money simply expose what already has our attention? Drawing on listener responses, spiritual traditions, and pop-culture moments like We Are the World and “Man in the Mirror,” they explore whether money is a rival to faith or just a tool – and why the real question may be what sits at the center of our lives. They consider real-world dilemmas: what do you do when funding threatens to soften your message? How do you use influence without losing integrity? And how might  PEMDAS (that’s right: Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally) provide us with a roadmap? It’s a thoughtful, wide-ranging conversation about money, power, and the courage it takes to keep meaning at the center – especially when the stakes get high, and the commas increase. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

From the South Side of Chicago to global stages, Dr. Che “Rhymefest” Smith has lived at the crossroads of art, money, and spiritual searching. Amber and Tom sit down with the Grammy- and Academy Award-winning songwriter, educator, and public servant to explore what happens when inspiration intersects with industry and calling becomes responsibility. Rhymefest reflects on cultural currency, Hip-Hop, commerce, and the spiritual roots of creativity. He shares unforgettable stories: being broke in Brazil, an accountant instructing him to spend $10,000 in a week, and navigating an industry that rarely teaches artists how to steward success. The conversation moves beyond music to public service, as Rhymefest describes his work on the Chicago Board of Education as a form of ministry – overseeing billion-dollar budgets while staying grounded in community and purpose. It’s a wide-ranging, soulful conversation about art as a vocation, money as a tool, and the responsibility to use both in service of something bigger. About Dr. Che Rhymefest Smith: Dr. Che “Rhymefest” Smith is a Grammy- and Academy Award-winning songwriter and recording artist. He is also an educator and public servant, currently serving on the Chicago Board of Education, helping to oversee a $10 billion budget for more than 300,000 students. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After their conversation with financial expert Bobbi Rebell, Tom and Amber return to a surprisingly thorny question: How much should we tell our kids about our money? From sharing your income to explaining a budget cut, they explore the delicate balance of authenticity, care, and preparing kids for the real world of money. Drawing on listener stories, family dynamics, and wisdom from spiritual traditions, Tom and Amber unpack how age, maturity, personality, and values shape these decisions. They wrestle with what transparency looks like in practice — and when discretion might be the more loving choice. Along the way, they dive into real-life dilemmas: correcting a kid’s misconception about your wealth, responding to bragging, making generosity visible, and deciding what your kids need to know about inheritances. It’s a thoughtful, practical guide to the conversations that shape how kids understand money — and themselves. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Every parent wants to raise financially confident kids – but between peer pressure, TikTok trends, and our own money baggage, how do we actually do that? In this episode, Tom and Amber sit down with Bobbi Rebell, Certified Financial Planner® and author of Launching Financial Grownups, for a candid conversation about what kids really need from us when it comes to money. Bobbi shares the single biggest mistake parents are making and how controlled failures build financial resilience. The group talks about the influence of family dynamics, divorce, and faith traditions on financial independence, and tackles practical dilemmas like credit cards, first cars, prenups, and whether your kids should know how much you earn. Bobbi also jumps into a lightning round of the ever-popular game, “Kosher – Or No, Sir?” Grounded, practical, and fun, this episode offers a roadmap for raising kids who are capable, centered, and ready for the real world – without parents feeling like they’re getting it all wrong. About Bobbi Rebell: Bobbi Rebell, CFP®, is the founder of Financial Wellness Strategies and the author of Launching Financial Grownups: Live Your Richest Life by Helping Your (Almost) Adult Kids Become Everyday Money Smart. She is a financial wellness educator, speaker, conference host, and moderator.  For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After speaking with Pastor John Jackman about his church’s remarkable work forgiving millions in medical debt, Amber and Tom return to a thorny question beneath the headlines: Is it more faithful to relieve suffering now or to focus on fixing the systems that cause it? From medical debt and healthcare reform to everyday acts of generosity, they explore the tension between mercy and justice, urgency and prevention. They travel from Chip and Dan Heath’s Upstream to the “Secret Santa” philanthropist to the Torah, the Talmud, the Quran, and the Gospels. Along the way, they discover how spiritual traditions offer practical guidance for navigating moral complexity. They also wrestle with real dilemmas: choosing between local and global suffering, visible impact versus structural change, and anonymous giving versus visible recognition. It’s a thoughtful, open-hearted conversation for anyone trying to do good in a world where the need is endless – and the right answer is rarely simple. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What would it look like to take ancient scripture seriously in a modern financial system? Tom and Amber sit down with Pastor John Jackman of Trinity Moravian Church in Winston-Salem, NC, to explore one of the most innovative financial ministries in the country. Inspired by the biblical practice of Jubilee, Trinity Moravian has raised small amounts of money to purchase millions of dollars of medical debt on the secondary market – and then forgive it outright. What began with $5,000 wiping out $1.1 million in debt has now grown into a movement that’s inspired over 100 churches and even influenced state-level conversations about medical debt relief. Pastor John shares how theology, community organizing, and practical economics came together in this work – and why symbolic rituals like debt-burning ceremonies matter. It’s a hopeful reminder that generosity, when paired with imagination, can ripple far beyond a single congregation. About Pastor John Jackman: Pastor John Jackman is the pastor of Trinity Moravian Church in Winston-Salem – the church behind the Debt Jubilee Project, an innovative and impactful financial ministry that buys medical debt on the secondary market and abolishes it. Additional Resources: Undue Medical Debt, a national 501(c)(3) nonprofit whose purpose is to strengthen communities by erasing financially burdensome medical debt. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Get ready because Season 2 of Money, Meet Meaning is launching in a few weeks! Follow us on ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠LinkedIn⁠, and ⁠Threads⁠, and share your thoughts with us by emailing ⁠[email protected]⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the final episode of the first season, Tom and Amber reflect on an “embarrassment of riches” – the wealth of lessons our guests shared about navigating their spiritual and financial lives in order to live a more meaningful life with money.  Plus: Are sacred religious values … subversive?  The top 10 lessons we learned from Season 1 What we missed: a taste of Season 2   Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can a budget bring you peace?  Tom and Amber find out how with Jesse Mecham, personal finance expert and founder of the super popular YNAB (You Need A Budget) app. Jesse shares how money can help us express ourselves in the best of ways - and how his own faith has helped shape his business since Day 1. Plus:  Tom makes a couple confessions Amber shares why budgeting, to her, is a spiritual experience Jesse explains why giving is the ultimate middle finger Follow YNAB on Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook.  Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Jesse’s WSJ Best-Selling Book: You Need A Budget Jesse’s Top-Rated Financial Podcast: You Need A Budget Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join Amber and Tom as they dive into the lavish world of Hindu weddings with South Asian wedding planner Jankhana Desai (“JD”) of JDEventz. Together, they explore the intricate balance between spiritual significance, extravagant celebration, and financial expense. JD shares her wealth of experience in orchestrating grand Hindu weddings, shedding light on how abundance is not merely a display of wealth but an expression of duty, gratitude, and the sacredness of life. Discover how elements like elaborate rituals, sumptuous feasts, and monetary gifts are deeply intertwined with spiritual values, enhancing the sacred union of marriage. Plus: The deeper meaning behind rituals that celebrate abundance and prosperity One of four traditional aims of life in Hinduism that relates to the pursuit of wealth Budgeting realities for an American Hindu wedding Tune in to learn how Hindu weddings beautifully merge the material and spiritual worlds, creating a celebration that honors both human and divine connections. Whether you're planning a meaningful life milestone or simply curious how celebration can be an act of spirituality, this episode offers a fascinating glimpse into the heart of Hindu wedding celebrations. Jankhana Desai is a South Asian event planner and the owner of JDEventz, which produces regal and captivating Indian weddings. A pioneer of Chicago’s “Desi-scene” in the 90s, Jankhana later moved to India to work in Bollywood and television before returning to work alongside the best Indian event planners in Chicago. Follow JDEventz on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“Health is our greatest wealth!”  If you’ve ever spent a few minutes reading the label on Dr. Bronner’s Magic Soaps, you know it’s a fascinating fusion of the physical and spiritual.  Join a fascinating discussion as Tom and Amber sit down with Lisa Bronner, granddaughter of Emanuel Bronner, to learn more about the spiritual act of caring for our bodies and spaces. The conversation ranges from Dr. Bronner’s Six Cosmic Principles, to The Moral ABCs, to the intersection of money, mindfulness, cleanliness, and stewardship.  Plus: Is cleanliness actually next to godliness? The story behind that famous label A deeper background of the multi-generational, soap-making, German Jewish Bronner family   Practical steps for decluttering our homes and our heads Lisa Bronner is the granddaughter of Emanuel Bronner, founder of Dr. Bronner's Magic soaps. She serves as Dr. Bronner's consumer educator and company spokesperson. She is the founder of Going Green with Lisa Bronner and author of Soap and Soul. Follow Lisa on Facebook and YouTube for tips on greener, simpler, more abundant living. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Money, Meet Meaning speaks with Jerre Stead, who, together with his wife Mary Joy, has given over $400 million to healthcare, education, and faith-based organizations. Jerre, a former CEO of 10 public companies, shares about the work and joy of giving, and the ways his faith has informed his business acumen and philanthropy.    Plus, Jerre shares: 2 questions he’s asked himself every morning since high school 3 Ts that, if shared, will increase your ability to enjoy life 5 fundamentals, taken straight from the Bible, that he used to build up his businesses    Jerre Stead co-chairs the Stead Foundation with his wife Mary Joy and is the board chair of Stead Impact Ventures, which invests in innovators whose ideas will positively change the course of health and wellbeing.   Follow Jerre on LinkedIn, and learn more about Stead Impact Ventures & Foundation on their website and LinkedIn.   Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can “bad” money still do good? How much is enough? Where can we turn for guidance on giving?  Amber and Tom discuss what a “kosher” life with money looks like with Rabbi Jay Moses, Vice President of the Wexner Foundation. Together they dig into the Jewish tradition’s millennia-old focus on money as a tool to care for people’s needs and uphold human dignity. And don’t miss the episode’s end when we debut our brand new game: “Kosher or No, Sir?” Rabbi Jay Moses serves as Vice President of The Wexner Foundation, having served for many years as Director of the Wexner Heritage Program, North America’s premier Jewish leadership education program. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can an app deepen your relationship with God? This week, Tom and Amber talk with Alessandro DiSanto, a co-founder of Hallow, the #1 prayer app in the world. Alessandro shares how prayer and Catholic values guide Hallow’s business model and decision-making – and, as a young, successful entrepreneur, how his faith informs his financial life and view on wealth accumulation. Plus: What is prayer? How can we do it “unceasingly”?  Pay-to-Pray: why Hallow’s co-founders landed on its “freemium” business model  Tom and Amber ask ChatGPT if it’s a good idea to seek spiritual guidance from a large language model Alessandro DiSanto began his career on Wall Street at Goldman Sachs and became a private equity investor before joining friends to create Hallow, the most-used Catholic app in the world. Follow Alessandro on LinkedIn.  Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This full interview is not to be missed! Is wealth inequality a spiritual issue? If so, what can our religious institutions do about it – and how can we, as individuals, best love our neighbors … financially?  This week, Tom and Amber talk with Rev. Winnie Varghese about economic justice and its scriptural roots. A national leader in the Episcopal Church, Rev. Winnie helped the Diocese of New York develop a credit union while serving at Trinity Church Wall Street in NYC. She shares how the credit union is a ministry: a way to provide financial services that re-imagines church – and community.  GUEST: Currently the Rector of St. Luke’s Episcopal Church in Atlanta, Rev. Winnie is known for her inspired writing, teaching, and preaching. Check out Rev. Winnie’s book, Church Meets World, and follow her on LinkedIn and X. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is work just a job, or could it be a calling? Amber and Tom talk with Jared Evans, a community manager for JPMorgan Chase, about how he views his job in banking as “love work.” Find out why – and consider how the concept of calling could apply to your own work. Plus: Money as transaction versus money as relationship Jared’s experience with debt and why we should give ourselves more grace What an elevator operator, Steph Curry, and the rest of us share in common With nearly 25 years of experience in the financial services industry, Jared Evans serves as a Chicago-based Community Manager at JPMorgan Chase, building and nurturing relationships with key community leaders, nonprofit partners, and small businesses at the neighborhood level. Follow Jared on LinkedIn. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is wealth inequality a spiritual issue? If so, what can our religious institutions do about it – and how can we, as individuals, best love our neighbors … financially?   This week, Tom and Amber talk with Rev. Winnie Varghese about economic justice and its scriptural roots. A national leader in the Episcopal Church, Rev. Winnie helped the Diocese of New York develop a credit union while serving at Trinity Church Wall Street in NYC. She shares how the credit union is a ministry: a way to provide financial services that re-imagines church – and community.  GUEST: Currently the Rector of St. Luke’s Episcopal Church in Atlanta, Rev. Winnie is known for her inspired writing, teaching, and preaching. Check out Rev. Winnie’s book, Church Meets World, and follow her on LinkedIn and X. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Money, parenting, religion … oh my! Any one of these is tricky to navigate on its own. But weaving them all together? Leveraging faith traditions to inform how to teach kids how to think, talk, and act with money? Amber and Tom chat with interfaith couple Reza Aslan, a bestselling author and renowned scholar of world religions, and Jessica Jackley, an entrepreneur and investor, about what they most want to teach their kids about money – and how their respective faiths shape the values they hope to instill. GUESTS: Reza Aslan is a recipient of the prestigious James Joyce award, the author of three internationally best-selling books, including the #1 New York Times Bestseller, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth, and a co-host of Metaphysical Milkshake, a podcast with Rainn Wilson. Jessica Jackley is best known as a co-founder of Kiva, the world’s first crowdfunding site for microenterprises, and is the author of CLAY WATER BRICK. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. For more episodes and info, visit Money, Meet Meaning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Does money make us happy? And should happiness be our goal for a life well-lived? To find out, Amber and Tom talk with Dr. James Hollis, a renowned Jungian psychoanalyst who has written extensively about happiness, meaning, and fulfillment. Dr. Hollis shares why happiness is actually overrated, why a life of meaning should be our goal instead, and how paying attention to the “numinous” can lead to a meaningful life with money. Plus: Dr. Hollis explains the impact of inherited money “scripts” - which might get you thinking about your own. Amber talks bargain salmon, Tom talks chili garlic paste, and Dr. Hollis talks internal compasses. Find out how our feelings, energy, and even dreams can inform our financial decision-making. Dr. James Hollis is a prolific author and educator. Be sure to check out his numerous books and videos. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Saundra's back with her voicemail reviews of our latest episode on Jesse Mecham. Be like Saundra! record your review on a voice memo and send it to: [email protected]. Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can a budget bring you peace?  Tom and Amber find out how with Jesse Mecham, personal finance expert and founder of the super popular YNAB (You Need A Budget) app. Jesse shares how money can help us express ourselves in the best of ways - and how his own faith has helped shape his business since Day 1. Plus:  Tom makes a couple confessions Amber shares why budgeting, to her, is a spiritual experience Jesse explains why giving is the ultimate middle finger Follow YNAB on Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook.  Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Jesse’s WSJ Best-Selling Book: You Need A Budget Jesse’s Top-Rated Financial Podcast: You Need A Budget Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Amber's mom Saundra, famed far and wide for her A-Level voicemail stylings, will grace this bonus series with her Money, Meet Meaning episode reviews! For more episodes and info visit Money, Meet Meaning at RNS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this powerful debut episode, co-hosts Tom Levinson (Jewish) and Amber Hacker (Christian), along with guest Eboo Patel (Muslim), swap practical takeaways for our financial lives – taken straight from the stories of their respective religious traditions. Along the way, they discover a surprising amount of overlap. Plus:  Eboo gets Tom and Amber to share their “religion and money” origin stories  Eboo the Godfather? How Money, Meet Meaning came to be Find out what The Notorious B.I.G. and the Talmud have in common Eboo Patel is the Founder and President of Interfaith America, the leading interfaith organization in the United States, and was named “one of America’s Best Leaders” by US News & World Report.  Check out Eboo’s podcast, Interfaith America with Eboo Patel, and follow him on LinkedIn and X.  Follow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Threads, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Conversation and practical insights on the varied ways our religious traditions pave a path -- whether you're religious, spiritual, or none of the above – for navigating our complex, everyday financial lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices