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Send us Fan MailDaniel is such a fun book. It has the men with funny names thrown into the fiery furnace. They are saved without even the slightest burn and with an angel appearing in the fire with them. It has Daniel thrown into the Lion's Den by King Belshazzer in a fit of rage. Then the lion's mouth is shut. These miraculous stories are amazing. A follower of mine said, "why don't you talk about Daniel's dreams in Chapter 7?" So I will tell you about this amazing dream because it connects the two parts of Daniel: the first part with these amazing stories and the second part with all these crazy images, just like Revelation. Dreams are such a big part of the Bible. Daniel was the last book of the Old Testament written between 167 and 165 BC. That is confusing, because our Bibles put Malachi last, but they did this to link the Old Testament with the New Testament. Even though Daniel was written about things that happened 400 years before, it's story telling tells us so much about the people living just before Jesus. If you could take your Bible apart and put it back together, you should put Daniel last. I explain how this timeline is so interesting and how it helps to make this weird dream make sense.Reference: "Strong As Death Is Love" by Robert Alter

Send us Fan MailDoes your pastor tell you “the heart is deceitful” and “lean not on your own understanding” to get you to not trust yourself or your intuition? This is pure gaslighting and you should run away from them. It’s often a trick played by dominant men to push down women and minorities. I call it depravity porn and you don't have to fall for it.The verses Jeremiah 17:9 and Proverbs 3:5 are grossly misused for this. They mean the opposite of what these pastors use it for. In this episode, I explain what these verses mean in context, looking at Hebrew and its interpretation. I also talk about the psychological manipulation that reformed evangelists like Paul Washer use. Like boot camp, the goal is to weaken and breakdown a person and then fill them with your perspective. Depravity porn is their main tool for psychological gaslighting.The NET does by far the best job of translating Jeremiah 17:9-10 "The human mind is more deceitful than anything else. It is incurably bad. Who can understand it?I, the Lord, probe into people’s minds. I examine people’s hearts. I deal with each person according to how he has behaved. I give them what they deserve based on what they have done."Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not rely on your own understanding.

Send us Fan MailThomas was one of the most impressive apostles for a number of reasons. He is the instigator of change and perception in the Gospel of John. He is unfairly called Doubting Thomas to highlight his saying he wouldn't believe in the risen Christ until he put his hands on Jesus’s wounds to believe Jesus had risen. Without we would not have had such a clear physical manifestation of Christ. Thomas shows up 3 times in the Gospel of John. He also inspired the Gospel of Thomas which many people thought should have been in the Bible. The “doubting” was really more about being practical and smart than about unbelief. In this episode I explain why we should look up to Thomas. Also why many people really admire him even today. 

Send us Fan MailHow does trauma shape sacred law? In this episode, Rob explores trauma responses woven through Exodus and Leviticus with Elle @literallythebible, examining how the Israelites' PTSD from slavery informed the Levitical legal codes. Discover how codifying law wasn't oppressive rule-making—it was communal healing. A trauma-informed Bible interpretation for affirming Christianity, showing how understanding biblical trauma reshapes modern faith and pastoral care. I wish more people would read the Bible like Elle does. I highly recommend following her on TikTok @literallythebible. 

Send us Fan MailI am so excited to welcome Mattie Mae Motl to the podcast. She has made a big splash on social media. With lots of knowledge and some considerable sass in her videos, she is changing the conversation about biblical scholarship for a popular audience. This is incredibly important to reclaim rationality in Christianity especially for young people. There is so much disinformation about scriptures. She is a PhD candidate in Biblical Studies focused on Gender and Sexuality in the New Testament at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. I ask about her research, especially around the changing ideas about marriage and consent. How does this relate to our use of scripture versus historical uses? I explore where she wants to take this and how it will impact the future of the church especially as young people reject the patriarchal church of the past.  Resource: The Emergence of Sin: The Cosmic Tyrant in Romansby Matthew Croasmun, 2019

Send us Fan MailIn this insightful episode, we explore the story of Gideon from Judges 6 & 7 through the lens of inclusive Christianity and affirming faith. This narrative of 'less is more' not only reflects the underdog spirit embedded throughout the Bible but also offers profound lessons for modern Christian faith and spirituality. As a Presbyterian USA minister, I delve into Bible interpretation that challenges imperial and persecution myths historically prevalent in Christianity, emphasizing a subversive, anti-empire perspective. Join me this Easter season for a personal reflection on how the story of Gideon sustains and inspires a truly inclusive, affirming Christianity in today's context.Less is more when it comes to warfare. This is often the case with faith. Apologists load up theology with proofs. Churches load up worship with entertainment. The story of Gideon is the ultimate less is more story in the Bible. In this highly personal episode, I describe how the story of Gideon is sustaining me during this Easter season. The Bible is a story of underdogs from start to finish. The Israelites were always on the verge of extinction. The Jewish people continued this legacy through the ages into modern times. It is tricky to take these stories for encouragement while avoiding the common persecution myth that is so prevalent in Christianity. This myth is behind all imperial forms of Christianity from Constantine to the Crusades to the American Christian Nationalism. But if we take it to heart the story of Gideon is always subversive and sneaky. When read in context, it is always anti-empire. 

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we explore the challenging topic of grief and lament within evangelical communities, focusing on Psalm 88 as a powerful expression of authentic sorrow often suppressed in favor of performative happiness. Drawing a contrast with the commonly used Psalm 23 at funerals, this discussion delves into how evangelical teachings can shame genuine feelings, impacting spirituality and individual grief processes. As a Presbyterian USA minister committed to affirming and inclusive Christianity, I examine how these dynamics reflect broader issues within modern Christian faith and the cultural wars surrounding empathy. Join me to uncover why embracing true lament is essential for spiritual growth and healing within the church and beyond.This is a companion to my episode about Psalm 23. Wanting to keep it peaceful, I saved my ranting for this episode. Why aren't you allowed to feel? Erika Kirk, the wife of slain conservative activist Charlie Kirk, is a case study in case study in evangelical Christian performance covering up genuine feelings. Ask anyone who has deconstructed from high control religion and they will say the first thing they say is that it was all a lie. They don't mean spirituality or even Christianity itself. They mean the substituted feelings and performative happiness. It is an exaggeration of the American ethos of individualism. Even the choice of the most beautiful Psalm 23 for funerals belies the substitution. Real grief comes in the form of Psalm 88. I explain where this comes from. Then I explain how the war on empathy is also a war on grief and lament, and how this is driving so much of the division in the Culture Wars. Two John Piper quotes that show this.Previous episodes:S2 E5 "Misreading Scripture to push Fascist Ideology - Inclusive Affirming Christianity Romans 13 & Jeremiah 17"S2 E12 "Psalm 23's Beauty: An Affirming Christian Interpretation Beyond Grief"

Send us Fan MailIn this peaceful and soulful episode of 'Real Bible Rob,' an affirming Christian and PCUSA minister delves into the incredible beauty of Psalm 23, exploring its rich imagery through a fresh, inclusive interpretation. Often read in times of grief, this Psalm offers more than comfort—it reveals God's boundless love and grace through intimate Hebrew language and modern Christian spirituality. Join us as we reinterpret David's famous Psalm, unpacking its biblical depth and spiritual significance in the context of affirming Christianity and inclusive faith practices. Featuring insights from Robert Alter's 'The Book of Psalms' and a unique translation by Rob Christ, this episode highlights how scripture can speak to contemporary seekers of spiritual growth and understanding within the PCUSA ministry framework.Rob Christ's translation of Psalm 23 from the original Hebrew:A song of David: The Lord is my shepherd, I will lack nothingHe causes me to sprawl on fresh grass, He leads me to waters of calmHe saves my life, He guides me on the right paths on account of his name.Even though I walk through ravines of deep darkness, I will not fear danger, because you are with me; your club and your shepherd crook bring me comfort.You prepare a lavish meal before me in front of my enemies, you honor me with oil on my head, my wine cup is always full.Surely goodness and loyal love will pursue me all my days: and I will stay in the Lord’s house all my life.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we dive deep into the Book of Joshua, exploring its complex narratives through modern Bible interpretation. While highlighting the well-known story of the destruction of Jericho, we challenge traditional views held by many and examine the political and spiritual implications behind the first 12 chapters. As part of an affirming Christianity perspective, we reflect on how violent conquest narratives contrast with inclusive and compassionate Christian faith. Drawing lessons from this foundational myth, we connect it with contemporary issues in diplomacy and nation-building, underscoring the importance of spiritual growth and thoughtful engagement in modern Christian faith. Whether you're interested in PCUSA ministry insights or inclusive Christianity, this episode offers a critical, nuanced look at scripture and spirituality.Joshua is a fascinating book for several reasons. Everyone knows the story of the destruction of Jericho and the string of conquests. It is a foundational myth of Israel's occupation and spread throughout Canaan. There are big problems with this narrative. First, it isn't true. There is no archeological evidence. Secondly, it blames their political divisions and lack of success on not being genocidal and brutal enough. God's command of Herem (also known as the Ban or total war) is not consistent with a loving God, but entirely tied to the politics of a unifying national myth. In this episode, we describe how the conquest of the first 12 chapters overshadows the nation building and negotiations of the last 12 chapters. While the first part is myth building, the second half tells us more about politics and power dynamics. There is a big lesson for us today. Americans have achieved great success in bombing adversaries and decapitating dictatorships, but have often failed at nation building and diplomacy. Joshua shows that violence is an easy quick fix but diplomacy is hard and delicate. This is a far greater part of the story of the Old Testament than violent conquests.  Reference:Robert Alter's "The Hebrew Bible, Prophets, Introduction to Joshua", 2019.

Send us Fan MailWe welcome New Testament Professor Lynn Huber back to the podcast to discuss how gender switching and the queering of the characters are a central crucial message of the Book of Revelation. In her amazing "Revelation: A Wisdom Commentary," Dr. Huber shows how the author of Revelation, John uses gender to describe, oppose, and mock Roman societal norms. We focus a few passages, such as the Lion of Judah vs. the Wounded Lamb in chapter 5, the Woman Clothed in the Sun vs. the Dragon in chapter 13, the over-the-top everyone-including-the-kitchen-sink Beast and its phallic imagery in chapter 14, and the great prostitute of Babylon in chapter 17, to tell us about John's motivations and our modern feminist interpretations of Revelation. With the war in Iran and the conversation about end times theology, Revelation is in the news and in our conversation. Join us for an insightful, uplifting, and fun discussion.Previous Episode with Lynn: Season 1, Episode 57, August 9, 2025 "Revelation Queerness with Professor Lynn HuberUseful Resources:"Revelation: A Wisdom Commentary" by Lynn R. Huber and Gail R. O'Day, 2023Good use of the Lion and Lamb images:https://characterofgod.org/lion-of-the-tribe-of-judah/Bad use of the Lion and Lamb image: https://hopespringministries.org/2010/12/01/the-lamb-and-the-lion/

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we explore the nature of God through the story of Moses receiving the law on Mount Sinai, highlighting God's willingness to listen, change, and negotiate rather than rule as a dictator. As an affirming Christian and PCUSA ministry leader, I delve into how this narrative illustrates inclusive Christianity and challenges traditional views of God's immutability and impassibility. We journey through detailed Bible interpretation to understand God's relationship with humanity, emphasizing that faith in the modern Christian context involves partnership and dialogue with God. Discover how these ancient stories inform contemporary spirituality and the embodiment of God in Jesus Christ during the Transfiguration. This discussion aims to deepen understanding of an open, affirming faith embracing the messiness and complexity of scripture and life.Previous episodes: Calvinism vs. Reality: Determinism and Probablity, S1E17, Jan 18, 2025Theology of Nonsense: Questioning Systematic Theology and Calvinism, S1E73, Nov 29, 2025Exploring Free Will and Complexity: Hope for a Modern Faith, S2E7, Feb 14, 2026

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we delve into the complex interpretation of the story of the woman caught in adultery, a passage often misunderstood and misused by Christians. As part of my work in affirming Christianity and inclusive Christian faith, I explore how this woman's story has been subjected to abuse—both in the original context and through modern misapplication. We examine the history of this passage, including its selective inclusion in the Gospel of John, and challenge the traditional evangelical use of Jesus' words "Go and sin no more" as a tool for shame rather than mercy. There are many verses that show that God's mercy is not conditional on repentance. Join me, a Presbyterian USA minister committed to thoughtful Bible interpretation and spiritual growth, as we reframe this verse to uphold compassion and reject evangelical cruelty. This episode offers fresh insights into modern Christian faith and encourages a more inclusive and affirming approach to scripture.The woman caught in adultery was an abused woman. And we keep just abusing her. And it is time to stop doing it. We have no idea why she was singled out and why the man was not also accused, but this tells a lot about the motives of the Pharisees in the story. I review the history of the passage, which was not part of the Gospel of John in the early church. Verse 11 where Jesus tells the woman to "Go and sin no more" is used by Christians today to shame people and to hold sin over people's heads. But it doesn't make sense for Jesus to say this as admonishment rather than an act of mercy. There are many verses that show that God's mercy is not conditional on repentance. To use this verse as admonishment is essentially abusing the woman again. It is an act of evangelical cruelty. I explain why we must reframe the way this verse is used. Previous episode: S1 E19 Jan 24 2025 The Abused Woman in John 8:1-11Theories of why Jesus said Go and sin no more to the woman:Modern evangelical: Admonishment. He meant her individual sin had caused the situation and that the way to redemption is repentance and renouncing her sin. Doesn't fit the paralytic man story.Ancient contextual: Protection. He told her to stay away from the abuser (the unknown man) and the Pharisees, because they were using her. Does fit the paralytic man story.Textual Negotiation: Compromise. This verse was added to allow John 8:1-11 to be included in the canon. Church Fathers feared the story was too merciful and that adding the admonishment would be a clear rebuke of her sin. Classical slut shaming. This does not explain the paralytic man story.Community reconciliation: He told her to return to purity. Continuous and general admonition for all people in Christ. Makes sense for Jewish purity laws, but contextually weird because it is said only to the two most pathetic characters in the Gospels.   

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we delve into the challenging questions surrounding free will and its role in inclusive Christianity. As an affirming Christian and PCUSA minister, I explore the intersection of modern science, theology, and spirituality, particularly how complex systems and uncertainty in physics offer new hope beyond determinism. We examine the surprising alignment between extreme Calvinist theology and reductionist scientific views, both of which challenge traditional ideas of free will. Drawing from notable works and recent physics discoveries, this discussion aims to deepen our understanding of Bible interpretation and spirituality within a modern Christian faith context. Join us as we seek a fresh perspective on free will that embraces complexity and affirms an inclusive Christianity.Resources:"The Truth Physics Can No Longer IgnoreThe fundamental nature of living things challenges assumptions that physicists have held for centuries."By Adam Frank, in The Atlantic, December 15, 2025Brian Greene, "Until the End of Time: Mind, Matter, and Our Search for Meaning in an Evolving Universe", 2020.Margaret Wheatley, " Who Do We Choose To Be?, Second Edition: Facing Reality, Claiming Leadership, Restoring Sanity", 2023. Wikipedia article on "Complex Systems": The 2021 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to Syukuro Manabe, Klaus Hasselmann, and Giorgio Parisi for their work to understand complex systems.

Send us Fan MailJoin me on the Real Bible Rob podcast as I welcome Pastor Bethany Nass Cseh, co-pastor of Arcata United Methodist Church and Catalyst Church Humboldt. In this episode, we dive into her inclusive and affirming approach to ministry that centers on a Jesus-centered faith. Pastor Bethany shares her unique storytelling style that brings the stories of Jesus to life in an accessible way, encouraging spiritual growth and deeper understanding through Bible interpretation. Additionally, she discusses her experiences as a foster and adoptive parent and the inspiration behind her books "Stepping Into Advent" and "Stepping Into Lent," which provide daily reflections driving spiritual reflection during key Christian seasons. Whether you're exploring inclusive Christianity or seeking insights into modern Christian faith and spirituality, this episode offers heartfelt perspectives and practical inspiration.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we dive deep into the critical examination of how scripture, specifically Romans 13:1-7 and Jeremiah 17:9-10, can be misread to support fascist ideology. Through an affirming Christianity lens, we challenge these interpretations while emphasizing inclusive Christianity and the importance of nuanced Bible interpretation in modern Christian faith. Drawing on insights from theologians like Bonhoeffer and Barth, and historical documents such as the Barmen Declaration, this discussion aims to empower listeners to engage thoughtfully with scripture. We also reference Jonathan Rauch's article "Yes, It's Fascism" to provide a contemporary context. Join us as we explore how the Bible supports spiritual growth and social justice, aligning with the mission of PCUSA ministry to foster open and affirming Christian communities.This is a follow up to my podcasts:Pastors and Fascism, Romans 13:1-7 & JeremiahS1E36, March 22, 2025War on Empathy, 2 Corinthians 1:3-7, Psalm 103:13S1E53, July 16, 2025Jonathan Rauch “Yes, It’s Fascism” The Atlantic, January 25, 2026

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we explore the complex intersection of Christian Nationalism and military chaplaincy with Leigh Larson, a theologian and former USAF Reserve Chaplain Corps candidate. Leigh discusses how Christian Nationalism, often aligned with conservative evangelical theology, influences the military chaplaincy and the spiritual care available to service members. We examine the theological origins of this movement, its impact on ministry within the armed forces, and why this approach is neither truly Christian nor patriotic. As an advocate of inclusive Christianity and affirming Christianity, Leigh expands on the challenges faced by those seeking spiritual guidance in a context often shaped by exclusionary beliefs. Drawing on her Master's thesis and ongoing work, this episode also touches on modern Christian faith and the need for nuanced Bible interpretation to support a more inclusive and affirming spirituality. Tune in for a thoughtful and critical discussion relevant to PCUSA ministry, mainline Christianity and beyond.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode of Real Bible Rob, we explore one of the most contentious issues in Christianity: the doctrine of Original Sin and its evolution into Total Depravity within Protestant theology. As an affirming Christianity podcast, we challenge traditional views rooted in Roman Catholic dogma and examine how these ideas have influenced modern Christian faith and Bible interpretation, especially in reformed PCUSA ministry contexts. We discuss how Original Sin, originally a control mechanism, transformed through concepts like Imputed Sin in Calvinism, reflecting on its role at the heart of the Reformation. This episode aims to foster inclusive Christianity by proposing a shift from Original Sin to Original Grace and Original Blessing, encouraging spiritual growth and a more open understanding of scripture.Join us for an insightful conversation that blends history, theology, and spirituality, helping you navigate and possibly transcend these long-standing doctrines in pursuit of a more affirming and inclusive Christian belief system.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, I sit down with Rev. Dawie De Koker, Senior Pastor at Aurora Community Church Nazarene, to explore what it means to embody affirming Christianity and the missional nature of the inclusive church. Drawing from his Wesleyan roots in predominantly Reformed cultures, we discuss how these theological traditions shape a modern Christian faith that embraces diversity and spiritual growth. As a PCUSA minister myself, I reflect on my personal connections to the Nazarene church and how these shared values influence our collective understanding of faith today. Join us as we delve into Bible interpretation and inclusive Christian spirituality that invites all to participate in God's mission, bridging traditions across South Africa, Germany, and Washington state.

Send us Fan MailAs veterans of the church culture wars, the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA ministry) has witnessed significant transformations over the past several decades. Despite some critics blaming the Church's 40% membership decline largely on its affirmation of LGBTQ people, this episode explores how deeper historic conservatism and slow adaptation are more accurate factors. We trace the ongoing journey of affirming Christianity and inclusive Christianity from 1998 to 2025, highlighting how modern Christian faith and innovative Bible interpretation play pivotal roles in the remaking of the church. The evolving PCUSA ministry serves as a vital window into the broader changes reshaping Christianity and culture today, emphasizing a renewed Christ-centered focus essential for the Church's future.#affirmingchurch #lgbtq #emergingchurch #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusaReference:"The Great Emergence" by Phyllis Tickle, 2012

Send us Fan MailIn this heartfelt and affirming year-end homily, based on Titus 2:11-14 and Isaiah, we explore themes central to affirming Christianity and the inclusive nature of God's salvation. As a PCUSA ministry, this sermon emphasizes that the love and salvation offered through Jesus Christ is meant for everyone — not just a select few. The birth of Christ as Emanuel, "God with Us," highlights the inclusive spirit of modern Christian faith and spirituality that embraces all people. Reflecting on a challenging year, this message brings comfort, hope, and reassurance that "You are enough and it will be OK." Join us as we discuss affirming, inclusive Christianity and how embracing this understanding can foster spiritual growth and healing in our communities.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we dive into Mary’s central but often misunderstood role in Christianity, exploring the themes of affirming Christianity and inclusive faith perspectives. While traditional views focus on Mary's purity, both Catholic and Protestant interpretations often miss the deeper significance of her story. Struggling with the dogma of the Virgin Birth, we discuss its historicity, theological implications, and how it has affected women over time. This Christmas episode reveals how Mary's story symbolizes a transfer of power, highlighting Joseph's obedience that prioritizes mercy over law. We also explore how Mary’s description as Parthenos connects to Greek mythology and what this means for modern Christian faith. Join us for a fresh, affirming interpretation that shows God's loving presence as Emmanuel through Mary and Jesus.#virginmary #parthenos #joseph #christmas #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailIn this insightful episode, I welcome my longtime friend and mentor, Rev. Jeff Sievert, a respected leader within the PCUSA ministry known for his commitment to inclusive Christianity and affirming worship practices. Having been my pastor and guide for 25 years, Jeff shares his extensive experience designing beautiful, liturgical worship services that resonate deeply in modern Christian faith communities.We discuss the ongoing evolution of worship, including the recent history of the worship wars and the rediscovery of liturgical traditions by younger generations seeking authentic and inclusive Christian experiences. Jeff offers valuable perspectives on how affirming Christianity can be expressed through worship and how the church can embrace diverse voices in Bible interpretation and practice.Join us as we explore the future of worship in an inclusive PCUSA ministry context and learn how to create worship services that are not only beautiful but deeply meaningful for all believers.#worship #liturgy #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we explore the trajectory of the Emergent Church movement within modern Christian faith, examining its promises, challenges, and ongoing relevance. As an affirming Christianity and PCUSA ministry perspective, we discuss influential voices like Diana Butler Bass, Brian McLaren, and Phyllis Tickle, alongside the rise of patriarchal movements and the contrasting growth of inclusive Christian traditions such as the Eastern Orthodox and Episcopal churches. We reflect on the socio-political factors like Trumpism that have affected church dynamics and consider whether a truly inclusive and affirming emergent church can thrive in today's religious landscape. Join us as we navigate the complex intersections of Bible interpretation, modern faith, and the quest for an inclusive Christianity.#emergentchurch #liturgy #liturgicalchurch #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusaReference:"The Great Emergence: How Christianity is Changing and Why" by Phyllis Tickle, 2012.The Great ReformationThe Great EmergenceQuadrilateralLiturgists - Cath, EOSocial Justice Christians - PC, UMC, UCCRenewalists - CharismaticsConservatives - FundamentalistsOuter Ring - TraditionalistsNext Ring - Re-traditioningNext inner - ProgressivesInner Ring - Hyphenateds

Send us Fan MailAll major religions explore the concept of ego death, or transcendence, with Buddhism being a clear example. Within the context of affirming Christianity and inclusive Christian theology, this idea is foundational and deeply present in the writings of Christian mystics over centuries. In this episode, we delve into the concept of kenosis—the self-emptying nature of Christ as described in Philippians 2:7—and how it serves as the core of modern Christian faith and spirituality. We examine how the cross symbolizes this ego death, a message often obscured by the legacy of triumphalism and imperialism in American Christianity, including challenges faced within PCUSA ministry. Further, the episode contrasts Catholic and Protestant views on the cross and crucifix, enriching our understanding of scripture and spirituality in inclusive Christianity today.#cross #crucifix #kenosis #egodeath #apotheia #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailIn this episode, we deeply explore the challenges of systematic theology and the problematic aspects of Calvinism. As an advocate for affirming Christianity and inclusive Christian faith, I share my skepticism about traditional theology, especially how it can sometimes be used to control rather than uplift believers. Drawing on influential works like Richard Rohr's "The Universal Christ" and D. Stephen Long's "The Sovereignty of God Debate," this conversation critiques rigid biblical interpretations and advocates for a theological approach grounded in loving grace rather than authoritarianism. Whether you're questioning classical theology or seeking a more open and affirming Christianity, this episode offers honest reflection on modern Christian faith and the complexities of Bible interpretation. #systematictheology #calvinism #opentheology #processtheology #theology #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailExplore the importance of the temple in the biblical narrative and its impact on modern Christian faith in this episode of the Affirming Christianity Podcast. Discover how the temple's role shaped Judaism and how Jesus' prophetic words in Luke 21:5-8 reflect the spread of the Jesus movement beyond Jerusalem. As a Presbyterian USA minister committed to inclusive Christianity, we delve into how these themes challenge our views on orthodoxy, reform, and the spreading of the word. Join us for a thoughtful Bible interpretation that honors all voices within the faith and the ongoing journey of affirming Christianity today.#temple #oldtestament #newcovenant #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailAffirming Christianity invites us to explore the true meaning of love through the lens of 1 Corinthians 13:4-7. This episode unpacks how Bible interpretation of this key passage reveals the heart of an inclusive Christian spirituality that often contrasts with exclusive or manipulative understandings of love. We discuss the impact of gaslighting within the church and why this passage is pivotal for modern Christian faith and the affirmation of LGBTQ+ inclusion. Join us as we dive deep into understanding why love, central to both Scripture and affirming Christianity, is often misunderstood—and how embracing its full meaning can transform our ministry and personal spiritual growth.#love #lovenothate #lgbtq #inclusion #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailWelcome to the Real Bible Rob podcast. I am delighted to welcome Charmella today. She speaks on TikTok about American history, religion, race, and politics in such an insightful way. What really caught my attention was her realism about our moment coupled with a sense of optimism. With all the terrifying changes we are going through, how can we see any of this change as good? With old and young alike pining for days that never were, can we grasp what's really happening. It's reckoning. Charmella said something that blew my mind, "The only way out is through." The reckoning is uncomfortable, but it's necessary. We have been avoiding for too long and we need to change. I've quoted Charmella in several sermons and a few podcasts. So I really wanted to speak with her here. References:"People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil" by M. Scott Peck, 1985"A Peoples History of the United States" by Howard Zinn, 1980"The Third Reconstruction" by Rev. Dr. William Barber, 2016"Shalom and the Community of Creation: An Indigenous Vision" by Dr. Randy Woodley, 2012#deconstruction #reconstruction #peopleshistory #journalism #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailI have been shocked at how Jesus has been used in recent years to cover hate. I recently said, "The Jesusing of Charlie Kirk is neither about Jesus nor Charlie Kirk." His assassination and raising him to be a martyr is completely genuine for some and completely cynical for most. And we know this by how Christian nationalists have latched on to him. The casual use of Christianity to hurt people who aren't Christians, or even Christians of a certain type is very old. But it is shocking to see how this old tool of ignorance is pulled out as a weapon all the time. So why are Christians so mean nowadays and so willing to toss aside the principles of Jesus for the principles of power? I offer three parallels which are at once comforting and frightening. One is the Second Great Awakening and the massive rise of spirituality of the era. It was both the source of great good and tremendous harm. And it was a movement primarily based on fear, especially of slave rebellion and war. The next one is the Cold War in which there are so many parallels. Author Tom Nichols recently asked, "What happened to the fear of the apocalypse of nuclear war? The weapons are still there." Finally, I will talk again about Rapture. The rapture narrative and its popularity even though it is not biblical tells us everything about which Jesus we are following. Tom Nichols article: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/10/kathryn-bigelow-house-of-dynamite/684569/#charliekirk #martyr #heathercoxrichardson #jesus #pharisee #taxcollector #zacchaeus #christiannationalism #revival #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailThe "gospel of peace" in Ephesians 6:15: How can this sit in the midst of descriptions of weapons and warfare? This is the paradox of Spiritual Warfare. It is not against flesh and blood but it is against rulers and principalities. It is ideas over brute force. I go in and out of love for various scriptures. I spent years fighting against the terrible use of Ephesians 6, especially to support slavery, patriarchy and Christian Nationalism which are inextricably linked. But whenever this happens and I am compelled to do a deep dive into the scripture, I fall in love with it again. Ephesians 6 has done this for me once again. Submission of slaves in the household codes must be seen in the context of Spiritual Warfare. Slave uprisings were a huge fear in ancient Rome, with over 30% of the population being slaves. But insurrections always end bloody. Spiritual Warfare is akin to Civil Rights marches. Active, but non-violent. Good trouble as John Lewis said. The change in society that lasts. The warfare is for justice and peace, not with devils and end times. Paul spoke against the extinction of the movement. Recalls the temptation of Jesus for expediency and cheap grace. There is a lot of debate about the sword being an offensive or defensive weapon. Hebrews 4:12 may give us a clue.References:Sandra Glahn, "Nobody's Mother", 2023.Lynn Cohick, "Letter to the Ephesians (NICNT)", 2020.#spiritualwarfare #bible #sworddrills #civilrights #nonviolentresistance #resist #nokings #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailThe best antidote for a nightmare is to turn the lights on. When you screamed in the middle of the night, nothing was more comforting than mother coming in cradling you in her arms. We’ve been living with a 2400 year long nightmare of Satan and devils. It’s time to turn the lights on and dispel the myths that have propped up religious bullies for so long. Satan was a vague Hebrew word meaning Adversary but it didn’t take on a personality until it became The Satan in the Persian period and then happily lapped up by the New Testament writers with heavy Greek mythological influences. How did such a minor character in the Old Testament become a central character in the New Testament, especially in modern Christian churches? Is there evil in the world? Yes. Is there a hierarchy of evil beings tempting and tormenting you? No, they vanish when you flip the lights on. #satan #lucifer #devil #hell #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailThere's a common question among pastors: "What's the most unbiblical thing your congregation believes is biblical but isn't?" Some are quite funny, but I think the most harmful one is the Rapture. It is a theology developed by John Nelson Darby in 1833 based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the Greek word "harpazo." Modern dispensationalists (Darby's theology) claim harpazo proves the Rapture is true. I discuss the use of this word. I also discuss why Paul used the imagery of Jesus meeting people in the air in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. There is nothing that says this is about separating believers from non-believers, or the saved from the unsaved. That was entirely fabricated by mashing this verse with Matthew 24:40-41 and Revelation 20:4-6. I also discuss the great harm to civic life and the environment Rapture theology has done. It is the main source for Christian Zionism, anti-environmentalism, and anti-intellectualism in American evangelicalism. #rapture #harpazo #endtimes #saved #unsaved #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailEinstein famously said, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."  This is a topic I am comfortable with. Why? Because I studied Thermodynamics and Randomness in college and I have been pondering it ever since. If you know how these work in biology and nature, then you quickly realize that all the arguments of "Creation Science" are nonsense. Rather than debating point by point, which is pointless with creationists who are driven by ideology and not science, I discuss the scientific method and the faithful use of scripture. Someday we will find strong evidence of life on Mars or Europa or Enceladus and then we will be confronted with another milestone where human beings on Earth are not at the center of the universe. So discussing who God is and our relationship with faith must always face the reality of nature.Note: For my biochemistry friends, I did a pretty lousy job describing Gibbs energy. Please accept my apologies. #evolution #genesis #lifeonearth #originoflife #science #thermodynamics #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailOne way to tell how people approach religion is to express your admiration for another belief. I certainly admire Judaism, not just in the way of supersession like more Christians, but as a way of getting to know God. Over the years I have become much more aware of Islam and more recently Hinduism. But none of these impacted me like getting to know more about Buddhism, through great authors and discussion. I can confidently say that the Buddha saved my faith in Jesus. This may be offensive to you or at least incongruous. For me it hasn't been a passing fad in open-mindedness, but it has rooted deeply, because there is no conflict between Buddhist thought and Christianity. Buddhism is not a theistic faith. Of course there are Buddhist who are theistic, but it is not a requirement as it is in Christianity. In this episode, I discuss how I came to understand this, how it challenged me in a way I needed it to and how I found compatibility and peace. I have always been ecumenically minded, but my experience has opened my heart to a deeper appreciation for the sharing of faiths. References:Charlotte Joko Beck, "Nothing Special: Living Zen", 1993Pema Chödrön, "Comfortable with Uncertainty", 2003David Brazier, "The Feeling Buddha", 1997Thich Nhat Hanh, "Living Buddha, Living Christ", 1995#buddhism #christianity #zen #ecumenism #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailI'm excited to welcome Rev. Rebecca Craig to the Real Bible Rob podcast today! Rebecca is a pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, an Artist, and an Author. She has a terrific new book called "Through Her Eyes" telling the stories of women in the Bible in a creative new way. It gives a narrative of 26 different women from their perspective and then several insightful study questions for each. It's a fascinating approach to understanding their stories. Reference:"Through Her Eyes: Biblical Women Speak" by Rebecca J. Craig, 2025."Once Upon a Nightmare: Through the looking glass of narcissistic abuse" by Rebecca J. Craig, 2024."Womanist Midrash, Vols 1 & 2" by Dr. Wilda C. Gafney, 2017 & 2024."The Prophetic Imagination" by Walter Brueggemann, 2nd Ed. 2001#womeninministry #womenpastor #biblicalwomen #elca #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailMy New Testament professor Dr. Nijay Gupta has written much about Galatians and is endlessly fascinated by Paul's letter. I didn't exactly understand why this angry letter was so important. Like many Christians, I usually favored Ephesians and Philippians, maybe Timothy, but Galatians? Why? It is pivotal as an early window into the first major crisis in the early church in which Paul had to intervene: the relationship between Jewish and Gentile Christians. My friend Rev. Adina Meyer just finished a series of sermons on Galatians, so she is the perfect person to discuss our changing views of the letter and why it is so important.References: Nijay K. Gupta, "Galatians - The Story of God Commentary", 2023.Scot McKnight, "James and Galatians - New Testament Everyday Bible Study", 2022.Brigette Kahl,  "Galatians Re-Imagined", 2010J Louis Martyn, "Galatians - The Anchor Bible series", 1997

Send us Fan MailSomething’s seriously wrong with America and we all know it. What was the long path toward equality of men and women, of the races in civil rights, of religious people integrating progress into theology has faced ever-increasing headwinds. In many ways we can rejoice especially when we remember how women and minorities were treated in the 1960s and 1970s. I’ve spoken about the rise of the religious right during the late 70s and on into the Reagan era. Much of that was overt but they were operating on two levels and the groundwork was quietly being laid for the backlash we see now. It’s really coming out now in all the talk about James Dobson and John MacArthur, who recently passed away. But the dark under-belly of Doug Wilson and John Piper haven't yet received enough attention. The war on women’s rights and the subversive war on history especially the retelling of slavery and genocide have yet to be told enough. The “war on woke” and DEI are really about wrestling Christianity back to the dark-ages. The church must oppose it if it is to survive. As a favorite tiktoker of mine @ohmellyeah says “the only way is through, not around.” This is a cause for optimism. * Pamela Brown inverviewed Douglas Wilson on CNN in which he said “Women are people who people come out of.”#jamesdobson #douglaswilson #johnmacarthur #johnpiper #paulwasher #fundamentalism #slavery #christiannationalism #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailLet's talk about 17th century England. Why? Because so much about American Protestant beliefs and culture come from it. The King James Bible was a political stake in the ground. The Westminster Confession was an Act of Parliament during the English Civil War. It was a compromise between Anglicans and Presbyterians to oppose radical Puritans and Catholics. The 1689 Second London Confession legitimized the Baptists as a result of the Act of Toleration passed by Parliament as part of the Glorious Revolution. The creation of these documents was incredibly political. It harkens back to the creation of the Nicene Creed, the Council of Chalcedon, and the formation of the biblical canon in the early church. I discuss why people still look at these periods with rose-colored glasses, and how the propaganda of those times still deeply affects us today. I won't call it a sham, but there's lots of power politics and chicanery in Christian history. It was always there, and it is still here. There was never a purer period in the history of the church than today. I made an error about the Three Forms of Unity: They are the Heidelberg Catechism (1563), Belgic Confession (1561), and the Canons of Dort (1618-1619). These are the basic documents for the Dutch Reformed Church. These informed the creation of the Westminster Confession of Faith (1646-1649).#christianhistory #KingJamesBible #KJV #WesterminsterConfession #WestminsterStandards #EnglishCivilWar #1689Confession #GloriousRevolution #Theology #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailDoes God express emotions? This is a more central question than it seems. It’s a significant clue to how you see the sovereignty of God, whether God changes, and whether God is affected by prayer. If God shows the emotion of regret, does that mean God is weak? To illustrate these differences, I do a deep dive into two verses that feature the Hebrew word Neecham. The theological bias of Bible translations are revealed in what words are used for Neecham: repent, relent, regret, feel sorrow, grieve, have compassion or comfort. I review the implications of these in two different passages. #ESV #NRSV #bible #calvinism #hebrew #edmondspres #pcusaJeremiah 42:10ESV If you will remain in this land, then I will build you up and not pull you down; I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I relent of the disaster that I did to you.NRSVue If you will only remain in this land, then I will build you up and not pull you down; I will plant you and not pluck you up, for I am sorry for the disaster that I have brought upon you.RSV If you will remain in this land, then I will build you up and not pull you down; I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I repent of the evil which I did to you.

Send us Fan MailToday I am excited to welcome Elle, who goes by @LiterallyTheBible on TikTok and YouTube. She is reading the Bible from cover to cover as a non-religious gal. Her approach to Bible reading chapter by chapter is so insightful and refreshing. I've been really impressed with her analysis, her questions, and her response to comments. I think it is a great example for how we can approach Bible reading. Now that she has made it through the 50 chapters of Genesis and now into Exodus, I will ask her about her impressions and about the feedback she has been getting.

Send us Fan MailI am thrilled to welcome Dr. Lynn Huber, Professor of Religious Studies at Elon University and an expert on the Book of Revelation. I have been following her on TikTok, and I was intrigued by her commentary about queer perspectives on Revelation. She brings a sense of excitement and love for the book, which many people approach with a sense of fear and retribution. I don't shy away from Revelation like many Presbyterians do, and I have preached several times about the many ways to interpret it. So, I was excited to hear about Dr. Huber's work and really wanted to interview her. References: "Revelation: Wisdom Commentary" by Lynn Huber and Gail R. O'DayRobyn Whitaker, "Revelation for Normal People"Greg Carey, "Rereading Revelation"Barbara Rossing, "Rapture Exposed"We also spoke about these biblical scholars: Candida Moss, Sandra Glahn, Lynn Cohick, Luke Timothy Johnson, Sarah Emanuel, Mitzi Smith, Steve Gregg, Eric Thomas, Yii-Jan Lin#revelation #rapture #queer #lgbtq #queerchristian #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailChristians love Replacement. Replacing Judaism with the New Covenant. Replacing the Jewish people as the Chosen people of God. Replacing Islam in the Holy Land during the Crusades. In America, replacing indigenous people with white Christian people. Replacing native religions around the world with missionaries. Lately, replacing the words of Jesus with nationalism and political tribalism. It has a long history, when the Roman Empire subsumed Christianity into the empire. Later, the Gospel of Jesus was replaced with theologies like Penal Substitutionary Atonement theory as a singular theology of Protestants. Hebrews 8:10-13 explicitly replaces the Old Covenant with the New Covenant by quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34 verbatim. Old Testament scholars Walter Brueggemann and John Goldingay warn that we should be careful to not engage in supersessionism, or replacement theology. I define supersessionism and offer a balanced approach that honors both the Hebrew Scriptures and their integration into Christian theology. #newcovenant #supersessionist #replacementtheology #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailPeople use the narrow gate metaphor that Jesus used in the Sermon on the Mount to feed their persecution complex and to exclude others. I frequently come across egregious misrepresentations of these passages. Often spoken with cult-like intentions, it is always meant to instill fear. Was this Jesus's intent? Was he using fear to encourage people to follow him instead of the religious leaders of his time? That was certainly part of it, but it also gave comfort to an oppressed people by offering them an alternative to the strict application of the law or just going along with the bullies. These passages are hard to consider because these verses are some of the clearest examples of where audience and context matter. It is why simplistic interpretations are so easily weaponized by people today. Nuance and context are hard for many Christians. I discuss these verses and compare it to the seemingly contradictory when Jesus said, "My yoke is easy and my burden is light," in Matthew 11:30. #salvation #narrowgate #widepath #yokeiseasy #jesussaves #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailI am delighted to welcome Jeremy Steele to the podcast today. I love his content on TikTok so much. He reached out to creators with podcasts. I jumped at the chance to interview him, and he graciously agreed!Church attendance statistics are notoriously difficult to decipher, but people latch onto the latest reports as signs of a turnaround or that their favorite segment is gaining new interest. Recently, Churchtrac showed an increase in Millennial attendance led by men. A slight uptick in fundamentalist evangelical churches engagement appears to be responsible for this. Is it a continuation of the young restless reformed movement?In my public-facing ministry and my work within the Presbyterian Church USA, I'm regularly told that my church is dying because it is "woke." Young men say they've left my church for more fundamentalist churches. It is always about LGBTQ affirmation and women in ministry, and not really about Jesus. For every one of them, however, I hear from at least ten others who say they will never go to church again because the church is hateful and hypocritical. So I ask, why then aren't fundie churches growing by leaps and bounds, rather than just attracting people who left mainline churches? Where will people turned off by the church go?  See Jeremy's links at https://jeremy-steele.com/ , including his podcasts, TikTok and other resources. You can join Jeremy's community at https://www.patreon.com/skepticpastor #jeremysteele #digitalchurch #liturgicalworship #emergingchurch #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailHow can you justify cruelty as a Christian? It has a very long tradition, from the Crusades to Slavery and Jim Crow to Mass Deportations today. These were all and are still perpetuated and justified by Bible believing Christians. This justification and hypocrisy is the main critique of Christianity. How can a religion that exhorts love and kindness be so unloving and unkind? Simple, just redefine what love and kindness are, and voila, you can justify anything. This is exactly what is happening with the current discussions about "Empathy is Sin." I have spoken frequently about hyper-Calvinists like John Piper, who do this redefinition by saying that empathy is not in scripture. In this episode, I discuss the origins of the word empathy and why it is considered invalid by some people. Then I describe the reason we needed to adopt the word empathy in English. Next, I explore the Hebrew word "rachamim" and the Greek word "parakaleo," discussing how they are often used to describe something closer to empathy than just mercy or compassion. #rachamim #parakaleo #empathy #compassion #mercy #empathyissin #charliekirk #tpusa #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailThe Church is in desperate need of Reform. Which direction should we go? Rediscovering doctrines of the past? Reforming our doctrines for a new era? There is a lot of disagreement about what is needed. I argue that we must do both.  The motto of the Presbyterian Church USA is "Ecclesia Reformata Semper Reformanda" which is Latin for "The Church reformed, always reforming." Which has been quoted in different forms and cherished by Reformed Christians since the Dutch theologian Jodocus van Lodenstein wrote it in the 1670s. Swiss theologian Karl Barth revived and popularized the term in 1947 harkening back to St. Augustine. But that's where the agreement ends. Conservative Presbyterians see it as reexamining and seeking doctrinal purity, confirming the long-held myth that the Reformation was primarily about recapturing a long-lost purity in the church that  Catholics had corrupted. Conversely, most PCUSA people see it as a natural part of the ongoing revelation of the church and that God brings us to new understandings of the Gospel. This is most clearly exhibited in the nearly 300-year gap between the Westminster Standards of 1649 and the 20th-century confessions. I ask what happened in that 300 years? And why were attempts for a new confession rejected? I describe why this is particularly important now. The last century from the rise of fascism in the 1930s to the wholehearted evangelical Christian embrace of right-wing nationalism in our era shows that the church is in desperate need of reform again. #refomed #reformation #semperreformanda #karlbarth #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailWhenever you ask whether God changes or that God learns, It is usually met with a resounding "No!" But then you must ask, what is the point of prayer? When you look at scripture, it says explicitly many times that God changes. "But God knows everything" goes the reasoning. So most people have to do logical backflips to make omniscience work with free will and change. So did God make a giant mistake? Why does God keep making new agreements, Covenants with His people? There a several schools of thought on this and we must wade through millennia of dogma to have this make sense. We have already determined that God can't predetermine the future. So then, does God know all possible outcomes? I offer several ways to think about it differently. As Richard Rohr says, Creation is ongoing. God is never done creating. Creation is change and relationship is with Creation is God's main goal in scripture. So yes, it is irrefutable that God changes.Reference: "The Universal Christ" by Richard Rohr#omniscience #godchanged #jeremiah #exodus #immutability #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailFor many Romans 8 is the essential chapter for understanding God’s purpose in the Gospel message. While I don’t think that was necessarily Paul’s purpose to be all-encompassing, it can be a great guide for us. N.T. Wright has said, that if he had only one chapter of the New Testament to take with him, it would be Romans 8. Unfortunately, it is also used for great harm. One commenter said that she rejects the “suffering kink” that many evangelicals lay on scripture. It’s part of a pattern in translations like the ESV and NIV that reveal the projection of dominance and trauma on our images of God. Dr. Beverly Gaventa says that the slave responds with fear while the heir responds with mutuality. I think this is the direction we need to move in Christianity. Beverly Roberts Gaventa “Romans: A Commentary” 2024.#evangelical #theology #romans #esv #niv #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailThe book of Romans carries so much theological weight that it’s hard to see Paul’s reasoning and technique through it. Fortunately, there’s been a wealth of new scholarship and research on it that it’s freeing the text from its Lutheran and Calvinist shackles. You can spend a lifetime diving into details but I will focus on three areas that highlight the new research:  the contrast and purpose of Chapters 1&2 and why they must always be read together, Chapter 3 and atonement theory, and Chapters 12, 14, and 16 which hint at why Chapters 1-3 are probably not about systematic theology like we think. Notes: hilasterion (ἱλαστήριον) also refers to the Seat of Mercy as well as the covering or place of forgiveness. Jews celebrate Yom Kippur as the Day of Atonement. This is followed by "through" or "by" faith (διὰ τῆς πίστεως) in the genitive, instead of "because of" faith in the accusative. References:Beverly Roberts Gaventa “Romans: A Commentary” 2024.Nijay K. Gupta & John K. Goodrich, Eds, “The Beginning of Paul’s Gospel: Theological Explorations in Romans 1-4” 2023. #romans #atonement #theology #freedom #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa

Send us Fan MailToday I have a special guest Maria Hearing. Maria is a dear friend, classmate, teacher, Hebrew reading partner, and leader. Maria has done deep research on the book of Esther, and she has written scholarly papers on the narrative and genres of the story. The story is foundational to the myth of the Jewish nation, but it also tells us so much about patriarchy and the strength of ancient women in unexpected ways. Is Esther a comedy or a horror story? Is the relationship of the King and Esther about romance or rape? Maria shows us how we react so differently depending on our vantage points.Esther as horror reference: Dr. Erika Dunbar, https://bibleandcriticaltheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Ericka-Dunbar-FINAL.pdf#esther #vashti #biblicalstudies #trafficking #edmonds #edmondspres #pcusa