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Dale from Real Seekers, Juan from Modern Atheism and Phil Bair discuss the logic of the Trinity and other Theism issues.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/05/10/the-logic-of-the-trinity-w-phil-bair-juan-the-atheist-from-modern-atheism/

Alright, here we bring the Shroud Wars to an exciting and epic show down- Pro-Shroud expert vs. Pro-Shroud expert! Shroud historian Jack Markwardt returns to debate Shroud expert Otangelo Grasso on which historical hypothesis is the best explanation for the Shroud’s pre-medieval history. Otangelo favours the Mandylion hypothesis and Jack, the Image of God Incarnate hypothesis. May the truth win out!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/05/01/shroud-wars-debating-shroud-history-jack-markwardt-vs-otangelo-grasso/YouTube Video = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIUaPFpPhhk

Dr. Gary Habermas returns to speak in depth about the contents of his 1st of 4 scholarly volumes on the Resurrection.  In this first installment, we cover the evidences for Gary's 6 "Minimal Facts" along with other fascinating factoids from Vol. 1.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/05/01/an-in-depth-dive-into-gary-habermas-4-volume-resurrection-magnum-opus-parts-1-3/

Famous Christian apologist and homicide detective J. Warner Wallace recently posted a video on his YouTube channel outlining the case for the Shroud as he sees it. In the end, he concludes that using court room standards of evidence that it is most likely a medieval fraud. Criminal defense attorney Teddi Pappas begs to differ and we will discuss the reasons why as we review Wallace's case.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/29/shroud-wars-responding-to-j-warner-wallaces-most-requested-case-ever/

Cameron Bertuzzi invited me onto his Podcast Capturing Catholicism to debate Catholic Apologist Ethan Muse on the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano. He was a tough opponent and popular opinion is I lost the debate, but it was a great debate nevertheless and I hope people will use this as a springboard to do their own research as Real Seekers on this issue.RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/26/capturing-catholicism-debate-eucharistic-miracle-of-lanciano-w-catholic-apologist-ethan-muse/

David Johnson asked me to join him and his skeptical chums over at the Skeptics and Seekers Podcast to discuss various problems he has with Jesus' Resurrection including the fact that he thinks it was entirely meaningless theologically speaking.Time to refute, Darren Lute!- sorry, inside joke lol.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/grande-finale-resurrection-show-christian-david-russell-vs-skeptic-dr-david-kemball-cook/

It has been over 2 years and counting since former Biblical Unitarian now general Theist & Resurrection skeptic David Kemball-Cook was on the show talking with myself, David Russell and Lydia McGrew trying to convert David KC back to Christ via the Resurrection evidence. David Russell promised to provide a compelling case from the Gospels and so here we are to finally put on that fateful show and see if we can finally convince David KC of the truth!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/18/grande-finale-resurrection-show-christian-david-russell-vs-skeptic-dr-david-kemball-cook/

I went on Juan's Modern Atheism YouTube channel to debate him on Yujin Nagasawa's version of the Modal Ontological argument (based on adapting Alvin Plantinga's earlier version). His fans were not fond of me it appears and were heavily biased against the Ontological argument vs. the greatest minds who ever existed who all accepted it. Here's hoping on my channel people will be Real Seekers and be open minded to at least considering the truth of this remarkable proof for God's existence!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/12/debating-yujin-nagasawas-modal-ontological-argument-w-juan-from-modern-atheism/

Fan of the show Jayfeather alerted me to the latest skeptical misdeeds of the Shroud skeptic Dan McClellan. This time he is attacking the claims of Pro-Shroud popularizer Jeremiah Johnston. Some of his criticisms are warranted, but I focus in on some of Dan's skeptical goofs and correct the record :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/02/fan-requests-april-2026-parts-1-3/

Here is Part 2/3 of the Fan Requests. This one is form James who goes over some interesting numerical patterns found in Pi and the designed information in the Shroud.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/02/fan-requests-april-2026-parts-1-3/

Happy Easter Monday everyone!My friend and mentor, Dr. Tony Costa, hooked me up with Chris Arnzen, the host of the famous Iron Sharpens Iron radio program to grill me on the Shroud of Turin. Chris was entirely up front that he is a Shroud skeptic and thinks the Shroud contradicts the 2nd Commandment and Deuteronomy 34 on Moses' body being hidden.I do my best to defend the Shroud and provide answers to a largely Christian skeptical audience. It was a great program and I really enjoyed my time on the show :)***Note: This is the audio only version as the video version will be released later on once Christian posts it and I can upload on here.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/07/iron-sharpens-iron-radio-program-the-shroud-of-turin-w-chris-arnzen/

Happy Easter Sunday, the Lord has Risen Indeed!!! I join Phil Bair to interview world-renown Biblical scholar, Dr. Craig Blomberg, about his views on Jesus' Resurrection and the evidence in favour of it. Only the fool can deny its truth!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/02/happy-easter-2026-resurrection-related-shows-in-april-2026/

Happy Easter Saturday boys and girls, yesterday I posted the Resurrection Devil's Advocate debate in which I played the role of Dale the Resurrection Skeptic and Juan (from Modern Atheism) played the Resurrection-affirming Christian. Today, I invite the Jesus-leaning Tavo San Abri and Atheist host of Skeptics and Seekers David Johnson to help me review the debate. Enjoy :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/02/happy-easter-2026-resurrection-related-shows-in-april-2026/

This is the day... this is the day that the Lord has made! It was roughly 2000 years ago today that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and subsequently rose again three days later on Easter Sunday morning. What better way to honour Jesus than with the customary Easter Resurrection debate, only this debate won't be so customary because this will be a "Devil's Advocate" debate!That's right Real Seekers fans, this time around, I (Dale the Christian) will be putting on my skeptic hat and Juan the Atheist will be putting on his Christian hat to argue the opposite positions of what we actually believe. I will be arguing as the Resurrection skeptic and Juan in favour of the Resurrection hypothesis.Regardless of who wins this debate, the truth remains, Jesus Christ has risen!Enjoy and Happy Easter everyone, Dale the Real SeekerRSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/02/happy-easter-2026-resurrection-related-shows-in-april-2026/

I was invited by Juan the Atheist to participate in his very first Live Call-In show on his Modern Atheism YouTube channel. I discuss the Appearance to Paul for the 1st hour and after me, James from 21st Century Apologetics comes on to speak on his take about the Shroud of Turin.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/02/happy-easter-2026-resurrection-related-shows-in-april-2026/

As promised to some of my fans, I plan to do a series of 3 solo shows responding to some fan requests. Number 1 on that list is a response to the most recent video by the notorious scoundrel and Atheist YouTuber Paulogia. This time around, he has teamed up with Jewish independent researcher, Michael Alter, to discredit Gary Habermas' Minimal Facts Approach. Unfortunately, for Resurrection skeptics, while Alter raises some valid questions and concerns, his research ultimately manages to compensate for Gary's own alleged methodological shortcomings and thereby completely vindicate Gary's claims about more than 90% of qualified scholars who publish on the Resurrection supporting is 6 "Minimal Facts" as being true. The case for the Minimal Facts Approach argument for the Resurrection of Jesus has never been stronger and its entirely thanks to this Resurrection skeptic Michael Alter!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/04/02/fan-requests-april-2026-parts-1-3/

I was asked to be a guest on Dr. Mike Licona's channel to discuss my knowledge on the Shroud of Turin. I was joined on the panel by Shroud experts Dave Glander and Oliver Tseng. RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/28/mike-licona-a-photograph-of-the-resurrection-investigating-the-shroud-of-turin/

After my previous show with Jaime Castro and Andrew Luimes presenting the case that Conservatism or Right-wing politics coheres with Christian values, but Owen MacDonald disagrees. He approaches politics from a Left-wing or Socialist perspective and wanted a chance to argue that Christian values more overlap with political Leftism.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/22/conservatism-vs-liberalism-which-best-fits-the-christian-worldview-w-jaime-castro-andrew/Previous Video = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eCfFxAORz8&t=2812s

Guy Powell returns to give his Grande Finale presentation, Part 4/4 of his research on Shroud history in art.RSM Blog (with Guy's slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/06/the-shroud-argument-from-art-history-evaluated-w-guy-powell/

Jaime Castro and his friend Andrew join me to discuss Christianity and modern politics. Specifically, we look at the fundamental differences between the values of Conservatism vs. Liberalism and how the values of Conservatism are conducive to the Christian worldview.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/22/conservatism-vs-liberalism-which-best-fits-the-christian-worldview-w-jaime-castro-andrew/

Famous Christian apologist, Dr. Jonathan McLatchie, joins me to discuss his argument for the truth of Christianity and Jesus' Resurrection solely on the basis of the conversion of Saul of Tarsus into the Apostle Paul.RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/21/dr-jonathan-mclatchie-the-conversion-of-paul/

Dr. Rosalind Tompkins comes on the show to address her new book on the Biblical concept of hope.She is the founder and president of Mothers in Crisis Inc., a 501(c)(3) ministry-focused nonprofit that supports families and communities through Christ-centered encouragement, empowerment, and practical help. Her work in addiction recovery and community restoration has touched lives for decades, pointing countless individuals back to God’s love and healing power.Her story is a testimony in itself. After overcoming addiction at the young age of 13, trauma, and deep personal loss, Dr. Tompkins experienced firsthand what God can do with a surrendered life. Her journey is living proof that no one is beyond God’s reach—and that hope, anchored in faith, changes everything.Her newest book, God’s Way: A Lifelong Journey to Everlasting Peace and Joy, offers a biblically rooted, deeply personal roadmap for walking with God, trusting Him in every season, and experiencing peace that goes beyond understanding.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/19/dr-rosalind-tompkins-testimony-of-gods-restoration-a-case-for-biblical-hope/

A lot of fundy lay Atheists and skeptics online have felt threatened by Tavo San Abri's journey from a devout Atheist to a sympathetic Jesus-respecter, who sees a lot of value and merit in the Christian cause. Desperate to disbelieve no matter what, they dismiss Tavo's powerful empirical and statistical findings supporting the truth of Christianity, such skeptics simply deny that Tavo ever really was one of their own.Well in this episode, the tables have turned, and we once again put Tavo in the skeptic's seat to grill Bible-believing Christian Phil Bair on some of the issues that prevent him from committing entirely to Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. Here's praying that Tavo the skeptic emerges as Tavo the fully committed Christian after today's "Grill-a-Christian" Podcast :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/07/shows-with-david-johnson-phil-bair-and-tavo-san-abri-in-march/

I have special guest, Stephen Paul Edwards, o nthe show to speak about his newest book "The Venus Fly Trap: Sex, Lies, and Repercussions" which provides a brutally honest synopsis of his life's journey as a non-religious Spiritualist. I really enjoyed Stephen's openness to not only come on my channel and discuss his views, but also to allow me to provide him with my own Biblical Christian view as well. We definitely don't see eye to eye on every issue, but this was a great example of how Christians and non-Christians can come together to discuss their similarities and differences in an open, honest and respectful manner. Apparently, it still can be done even today!My hope is to continue having great discussions with Stephen in the future :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/13/stephen-paul-edwards-the-venus-fly-trap-sex-lies-and-repercussions/Amazon.com link to his new book = https://www.amazon.com/Venus-Fly-Trap...Note: Be aware that Stephen himself did provide a respectful warning to Christians, that his book contains some potentially offensive erotic type material in recounting his real life story. So make sure to do your own due diligence when deciding if you'd like to buy this book or not.

My friend and mentor, Dr. Tony Costa, is an expert who teaches a course at the University of Toronto on Biblical archeology. I invite him on to discuss the evidence.RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/13/the-case-from-biblical-archeology-w-dr-tony-costa/

Is human epistemology and rationality possible if naturalism is true? David Johnson unfortunately mixed up the days (cause he knew he'd lose this one jk :P), thus I fill in to probe and prod Phil Bair's argument that natural determinism is incompatible with knowledge (i.e., a justified true belief).RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/07/shows-with-david-johnson-phil-bair-and-tavo-san-abri-in-march/

Attention all you fundy lay Atheists and skeptics, like Paulogia, your arch nemesis Tavo San Abri (aka. Prof. Owl) is back and this time he is debating his CTF Argument with David Johnson from the Skeptics and Seekers podcast- an Atheist with attitude! Will Christ's truth prevail???You'll have to tune in to find out!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/07/shows-with-david-johnson-phil-bair-and-tavo-san-abri-in-march/

Guy Powell returns to give Part 3/4 of his research on Shroud history in art.RSM Blog (with Guy's slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/06/the-shroud-argument-from-art-history-evaluated-w-guy-powell/

Jaime Castro joins me again to discuss whether Jesus Christ Himself advocated for and utilized both philosophy and apologetics. Surprisingly, for many Christians, the answer is a resounding "Yes" on both counts!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/03/01/jesus-the-philosopher-apologist/My Websites = https://realseekersapologetics.wordpress.com/Shroud = https://shroudexplorations.wordpress.com/

There has been a avalanche of recent Shroud studies involving AI technology to discover various new aspects about the Shroud. From a marketing perspective, I have always been a part of the "laggards" class of AI tech, I'm skeptical of it value and suspicious of any conclusions drawn based on it.But, it is important not to let my bias get in the way of God's truth and thus, I invited on one of the "early adopters" of AI tech in its application to Shroud studies to try and get a better understanding of how it works and what knowledge or insights can in fact be gleaned from it.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/28/the-shroud-ai-technology-w-otangelo-grasso/

My former co-host from the PORA Podcast, David Pallmann, returns to the Real Seekers podcast to share his knowledge on the rationality of miracles; in particular, we discuss the validity of David Hume's reasoning on this front.RSM Blog =

Tavo San Abri has been a guest on my Real Seekers Podcast several times now, well turn around is fair play, Tavo welcomed me to come on to hi show as a guest to conduct a short 1 hour interview about some of my more unique ideas within Christian apologetics.Enjoy!RSM Blog (with my slides and free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/22/talking-w-tavo-series-my-interviews-with-tavo/

Guy Powell returns to give Part 2/4 of his research on Shroud history in art.RSM Blog (with Guy's slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/06/the-shroud-argument-from-art-history-evaluated-w-guy-powell/

Jaime Castro joins me to promote my Apologetics Teaching ministry and speak on the Biblical concept of love.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/14/happy-valentines-day-the-biblical-concept-of-love-w-jaime-castro/

Get ready for the Part 2 finale of Jesus and the OT. RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/07/jesus-the-old-testament-abolished-or-fulfilled-part-1-debate-w-ss-atheist-david-johnson/

Phil Bair invited me onto his Podcast, The Cross to Bair, to discuss and review his recent debate with the Atheist YouTuber Juan from Modern Atheism on Jesus' Resurrection.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/26/reason-theology-debate-did-jesus-rise-from-the-dead-w-juan-from-modern-atheism-vs-phil-bair/

The Atheist host of Skeptics and Seekers, David Johnson, completed a 10 week series arguing that Jesus and the New Testament directly contradict and thus abolish the Old Testament covenant in several ways.The Biblical truth is that Jesus and the NT fulfilled the Old covenant- watch as David and I debate the issues.RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/07/jesus-the-old-testament-abolished-or-fulfilled-part-1-debate-w-ss-atheist-david-johnson/

Guy Powell returns to the Shroud Wars on Real Seekers to share his in depth research on the Pro-Shroud argument for authenticity based on Art history. Guy has looked at every artistic image and has made some remarkable findings and come to some interesting conclusions.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/06/the-shroud-argument-from-art-history-evaluated-w-guy-powell/

I present my unique argument for God from Beauty whereby I argue the best explanation for the 7 aesthetic facts of our world is Theistic Dispositional Realism. The Atheist Juan from Modern Atheism goes for Aesthetic Subjectivism instead. Who's right?RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/02/01/arguing-god-from-beauty-w-atheist-juan-from-modern-atheism/

I was honoured to have Dr. Dale Allison, famous Biblical scholar and historian on the show to share his considerable knowledge about Jesus' Resurrection and promote his newest books (see below). We go over various theological, philosophical and historical issues.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/01/22/the-resurrection-of-jesus-from-a-historical-perspective-w-dr-dale-allison/Dale's Books;1. The Resurrection of Jesus: Apologetics, Polemics, History = https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-J...2. Encountering Mystery: Religious Experience in a Secular Age = https://www.amazon.com/Encountering-M...

In this special fan request show, I'm joined by miracle healing experts Caleb Jackson & Matheiau Lavagna to discuss the evidence from Catholic miracle healings in general and with respect to three particular Roman Catholic healers who Real Seekers fan, Jayfeather, asked me to address.His request was as follows;" Robert Sarno the Vatican miracle investigator and Gabriel Amorth the exorcist). Have you, perhaps, read about them? I've also recently heard about another person (thanks to a film: "The Great Warning") - Alan Ames. He had an experience of being attacked by a devil and had an 'illumination of conscience'. Since then he became a global evangelizer and healed many people. He has made many videos and written many books about his conversion.I'm asking you, because I have no other people who would verify such claims and it's nice to confront my views with someone's else :)So, if you have any time, I'd be glad to hear from you!Have a nice day :)"Well Jay, I got your back, here is the show as requested with a couple of friends and experts who know more about the heallers in question, in fact Caleb actually knows Robert Sarno personally, so hope this is helpful :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/01/20/assessing-catholic-miracle-healers-healings-w-caleb-jackson-matheiau-lavagna/

Prof. Tavo San Abri joins me for a third time to tackle a recent video attacking his credibility by the notorious Atheist YouTuber, Paulogia! Over a month ago, Paulogia posted his video entitled, "Can Professor Owl FAIL my Resurrection Hypothesis?" and Prof. Owl (aka. Tavo) wishes to provide a detailed and rigorous point by point response responding to the various counters Paulogia presented against his arguments.Enjoy folks :)RSM Blog =

Jack Markwardt returns to provide his detailed assessment of the pros and cons of the 13-14 historical hypotheses covering the period from 1201-1355 A.D.; this is the period known in Shroud studies as "The Missing Years". RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2023/02/17/shroud-wars-panel-review-part-4-the-shrouds-history-from-49-a-d-1350-a-d/

Lydia McGrew joins me again to discuss some of her substantive problems with the Minimal and Moderate Facts Approaches in favour of using a Maximal Facts Approach. Lydia and I have some disagreements where we are not on the same page on every issue, yet we will always be on the same team serving Christ. As a bonus at the end, Harry Stark productions provides a brief clip of a Jewish Christian defending John Chrysostom against Jewish claims that he was a racist pig. The truth is the exact opposite!RSM Blog (with free scholarly sources) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/01/08/maximal-vs-minimal-moderate-facts-approach-w-lydia-mcgrew-harry-stark-bonus-on-john-chrysostom/

Happy New Year Real Seekers! We have a jam packed January full of shows and special guests, but I just wanted to start the year off with a short video giving a Biblical response to the Rabyd Atheist who has taken it upon himself to rechristen me as "Rancor Seeker" in order to include me in his childish Star Wars inspired Atheistic fantasy world. While such juvenile jovialities are amusingly trivial to me, I felt providing a Scriptural response to such antics would be an appropriate and edifying way to kick off the year 2026 on Real Seekers by way of a response.After that short 5 min lesson in morality for Rabyd and his Atheist fans, we turn back to a special double feature of looking at art parodies in contemporary culture from Harry Stark- I confess I'm not sure what the relevant point is related to Christianity or apologetics, but maybe someone more familiar with the video games involved would have a better idea.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2026/01/05/happy-new-year-rabyd-atheists-rancor-seeker-harry-stark-art-parodies-double-feature/

Juan from the Modern Atheism channel and Phil Bair (Christian) return to Michael Lofton's channel to debate the question of "Did Jesus Rise from the dead?".Enjoy :)RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/26/reason-theology-debate-did-jesus-rise-from-the-dead-w-juan-from-modern-atheism-vs-phil-bair/

Fan of the Podcast, Mark B. from the UK, requested I bring on Pro-Shroud journalist, William West, who has written three books on the Shroud and has argued that the Shroud presents us with evidence that fit together like pieces of a puzzle; culminating in proving the miraculous Resurrection of Jesus!RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/19/the-shroud-puzzle-solved-w-william-west/

Over a year ago, I was invited to come on Nathan Ormond's (Digital Gnosis) channel to speak on the Shroud of Turin and at some point Bob Rucker and Tom McAvoy's research came up and I felt I didn't do the best job defending their great work.Hence, I figured, why not schedule a Round 2 and have Bob and Tom engage directly with Nathan and James themselves to defend their own work.Enjoy and Merry Christmas to all :)

Pro-Shroud historian, Jack Markwardt, returns to the Shroud Wars to provide a meta-analysis of some of the troubling recent developments happening in Shroud scholarship. He has found that several people are claiming to be Shroud experts on YouTube and in popular level presentations of the Shroud of Turin, but they consistently misstate the facts, lack depth of knowledge and/or fail to support primary research on the Shroud and thus unintentionally damage the reputation of proper Shroud studies as it has been known for the past 40-50 years.RSM Blog = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/12/troubling-trends-of-shroud-scholarship-w-jack-markwardt/

The Atheist YouTubers, Paulogia and the Rabyd Atheist, have recently been on an unrelenting persecution campaign against Dr. Gary Habermas; desperate to undermine his scholarly research supporting the Resurrection in any way they possibly can! However, with Paulogia's most recent propaganda video, it has come to my attention that it is not only the Atheists and skeptics who find fault with Gary, it seems that even some fellow Christian apologists and researchers have likewise taken issue with Gary's most recent Volume 3 of his Magnum Opus.Given, that I have a great deal of respect for many of these Christians and, in some cases, I am proud to say that I'm friends with them personally, I felt I owed it to Gary and to them, to switch the focus of my "Round 4" response (as Paulogia calls it) from exposing the hypocrisy of the Atheists and skeptics on this front, to instead sincerely try my best to resolve the objections raised by these fellow Christian brothers and sisters. When faced with a trilemma of explanations whereby either Gary is a liar, lunatic or leader, I think I demonstrate rather conclusively that Gary is neither a liar nor a lunatic and thus he is a true leader in the Christian church! I think such a demonstration is clear to all once one applies the principle of charity to all sides involved. Thus, I truly believe we can all remain united as the one true body of Christ in our efforts to withstand the attacks of the devil through our commitment to truth, unity and charity to one another.RSM Blog (w/ my Slides) = https://realseekerministries.wordpress.com/2025/12/07/defending-gary-habermas-answering-christian-objections/