Sanctuary Counseling Podcast

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss impact with their guest Jonathan Torres. Jonathan has a deep history of non-profit work in Memphis and has taken the value of lessons learned to be a consultant. Through his C12 organization Jonathan is helping for-profit and non-profit organizations thrive.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss the Impact of Unresolved Grief. Over the years, sitting with pastors, ministry leaders, couples, and individuals, we've noticed something that shows up again and again: it's not just stress, it's not just burnout, it's not just conflict, it's grief that hasn't been fully processed. Unresolved grief quietly shapes how we relate to people, show we show up at work, and even how we lead and serve in ministry.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss the Impact of Failure. We live in a culture that treats failure like a diagnosis. Something went wrong, someone is to blame, and the goal is to get back to success as fast as possible. But what if failure isn't the interruption of the story, what if it's where the story actually begins?

Send us Fan MailJoin host, Joey Bland, and SCC Executive Director, Bill Finnell, as they conclude this mini-series on The Impact of Personal Wellness. Here, in episode 4, Joey & Bill get practical discussing how to build a plan. Those around don't need more of you, they need more of the best version of you. Key Insight: The healthiest thing you can do for your team is refuse to lead them from a place of brokenness you haven't addressed.

Send us Fan MailJoin host, Joey Bland, as he and SCC Executive Director, Bill Finnell, discuss the ripple effect of neglecting your own personal wellness. Just like in the movie Code 3, the leader is often the last to see their own deterioration, but the team sees it first and feels it longest. Key Insight: Your personal neglect is never just personal - it has a ministry-wide cost that your team pays whether you acknowledge it or not.

Send us Fan MailJoin host, Joey Bland, as he and SCC Executive Director, Bill Finnell, discuss why ministry leaders often resist personal wellness plans. Key Insight: Resistance to rest is often a spiritual issue before it's a scheduling issue - but it always becomes a team issue.

Send us Fan MailJoin host, Joey Bland, as he and SCC Executive Director, Bill Finnell, discuss the importance of personal wellness in ministry. The key question: You can't pour from an empty vessel - but what happens to everyone around you when you keep trying? Key Insight: The moment you ignore your own breakdown is the moment you begin to cause one in others. Joey & Bill explore the four dimensions of wellness every ministry leader must tend to.

Send us Fan MailJoin host, Joey Bland, as he and Sanctuary Executive Director, Bill Finnell, discuss phases of impact men have in their careers. From the rookie stage of learning the ropes, to the warrior phase of struggling and building, to the king phase of mastering your craft, and finally to the sage phase of passing it on. Join the conversation.

Send us Fan MailMost men I know want their lives to matter. We want to live with purpose, to make an impact that lasts. Scripture reminds us that impact is not measured by titles or recognition, but by faithfulness, humility, justice, and love. The way God invites us to live out Micah 6:8 changes with the season of life we are in. Join Joey & Bill as they discuss the different seasons carry different callings.

Send us Fan MailMost men I know want their lives to matter. We want to live with purpose, to make an impact that lasts. Scripture reminds us that impact is not measured by titles or recognition, but by faithfulness, humility, justice, and love. The way God invites us to live out Micah 6:8 changes with the season of life we are in. Join Joey & Bill as they discuss the different seasons carry different callings.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they host the author of Journey to Impact, Ed Gillentine. The conversation focuses on personal and financial impact possibilities. Ed's wide range of experience both personally and from his financial consulting business have woven into him the impact dna. From farming in Ethiopia to engaging with humans daily, Ed's story will inspire you to focus more on what is important rather than just being efficient.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they look at impact in ministry. From clarifying what impact is to discussing why it is so hard to measure join the discussion as we focus on why impact matters so much and healthier ways to think about impact.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill for this much needed venture into impacting others. A must listen for parents who want to focus on presence over performance. Often times your family, work, friends don't need more of you, but they need the healthiest version of you.

Send us Fan MailStarting 2026, Joey and Bill, explore what lasting impact really means in our work, relationships, leadership, faith, and emotional health, and how we move from good intentions to meaningful influence in the lives of others.

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Send us Fan MailWhat is healthy and productive conflict? Why does conflict seem different at home, at work, with friends, with people in authority? What keeps people from doing conflict well? How can we become better at conflict? Join the conversation as Sanctuary Counseling Center Executive Director, Bill Finnell, joins host, Joey Bland, discussing conflict.

Send us Fan MailIn this final episode of 2025 Joey & Bill discuss Gratitude and even feeling Gratitude when we don't feel like it. It's the end of the year and whether your year was a great one or a not so great one gratitude is critical for our daily success. Join the conversation as we wrap 2025.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss holiday preferences, which promises to be wildly controversial. They also throw in a summary of holiday songs & movies per decade and Bill drops a tricky song into the mix. Merry Christmas from all of us at Sanctuary Counseling Center.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they continue our Holiday '25 series and focus today on Building a R.A.F.T. For the Holidays & New Year. Bill discusses this frequently used acronym that is designed to help people with transitions in life and demanding times. Join the conversation to enrich your holidays.

Send us Fan MailAs we continue our 2025 Holiday Series Joey & Bill explore the concept of Recharging instead of Recovering in the holidays. This discuss will look at the science of rest and the importance of rest. We'll also discuss ways to build "buffer zones" so that you can maintain the much needed space for recharging.

Send us Fan MailAs we begin our 2025 Holiday Series, Joey and Bill spend some time discussing Boundaries, Busyness, and the Myth of the Perfect Holiday. The holidays can be a pressure cooker striving for holiday perfection so we'll discuss the gift of Boundaries and ways to build a peaceful holiday plan.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they welcome Hannah & Edwin Attaway to the podcasts. Hannah & Edwin's story is unique as they both serve full-time as pastors but do so at different churches. Come and join the conversation as the Attaways discuss their journey and how that journey has grown them as individuals and as a couple.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they welcome Hannah & Edwin Attaway to the podcasts. Hannah & Edwin's story is unique as they both serve full-time as pastors but do so at different churches. Come and join the conversation as the Attaways discuss their journey and how that journey has grown them as individuals and as a couple.

Send us Fan MailAs we conclude our series on grief, Joey & Bill discuss Grieving and The Holidays. The holidays are the most difficult time of the year for so many people and learning healthy ways to grieve during the holidays can be very healing. Join the conversation as we discuss practical ways to navigate the holidays.

Send us Fan MailAs we conclude our series on grief, Joey & Bill discuss Grieving and The Holidays. The holidays are the most difficult time of the year for so many people and learning healthy ways to grieve during the holidays can be very healing. Join the conversation as we discuss practical ways to navigate the holidays.

Send us Fan MailAs our series on grief continues, today Joey & Bill discuss Divorce & Grief. Not unlike the death of a spouse, divorce causes lots of layers of grief. Not grieving leaves all that hurt and pain inside a person. Join the conversation.

Send us Fan MailIn this episode on grief, Joey & Bill discuss Helping Kids Through Grief. Grief is difficult for adults and kids are often overlooked in the process. Join the conversation as Bill explains how kids grieve and how we as adults need to model healthy grieving in front of them.

Send us Fan MailIn episode 4 of our Grief series, Joey & Bill discuss The Art of Lament. Learning how to grieve is critically important and part of that process is being able to express those deeper feelings of grief. King David did and it is a good practice for us as well.

Send us Fan MailAs we continue our series on Grief, Joey & Bill get practical with Personal Practices for Grief. Grief is something most people have to learn to do because it is uncomfortable and unnatural. This episode provides a framework for those grieving and how to set yourself up for support and healthy progress.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they begin a new series on grief. Grief tends to be an uncomfortable topic with people which often results in short circuiting the grieving process. Bill & Joey explore why grief is critical to overall, long-term emotional health as they explore The Needs of Grief.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they begin a new series on grief. Grief tends to be an uncomfortable topic with people which often results in short circuiting the grieving process. Bill & Joey explore why grief is critical to overall, long-term emotional health as they explore The Needs of Grief.

Send us Fan MailIn the final episode of our mini series Questions We Hear As Counselors, Joey & Bill delve into how to help someone with this episode I'm Not A Counselor, But How Can I Help?.We all have friends and family or coworkers that come seeking advice or input, so Joey & Bill tackle the topic to help provide some tools as you enter those conversations.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss the most common questions they get when meeting with clients. A fun and insightful conversation about questions we all have.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss the most common questions they get when meeting with clients. A fun and insightful conversation about questions we all have.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss the most common questions they get when meeting with clients. A fun and insightful conversation about questions we all have.

Send us Fan MailIn episode 2 of The Seasons of Marriage, Joey & Bill discuss the complexities of growing a family and yet maintaining your marriage relationship.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they delve into the Seasons of Marriage. In this first episode they cover The Early Years and discuss how often we fail to take into account our current circumstances and situations. Despite the ebbs and flow of marriage people often maintain the same expectations, which may not align with the season.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss Men & Marriage. Culturally men are brought up to restrain their feelings and toughen up, but what affect does that have when trying to build a healthy marriage? Vulnerability is what leads to greater trust and intimacy and yet vulnerability is so foreign to so many men.

Send us Fan MailJoey and Bill venture into the world of AI by asking Chat GPT the Top 5 Reasons People Get Married. Join the conversation as technology meets counseling and we explore the AI generated answers.

Send us Fan MailAfter 40 years together, Jacky & Mike share their experience of Marriage & Ministry and building a kingdom family. The challenges and benefits of a couple, with each being in full-time vocational ministry, learning to live in harmony.

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they discuss The River Within, a spiritual direction ministry begun by Jacky & Mike Gatliff. As Jesus said, whoever believes in me, rivers of living water will flow out from within. Spiritual direction is a prayerful, conversational way of looking at one's life as the raw material for discerning the presence of God.

Send us Fan MailIn episode 2 of Marriage & Ministry with Virginia & Steve Tilleros, they discuss the risky business ministry can be. This authentic and at times emotional discussion delves into the challenges and stresses of ministry & marriage and the never ending work of personal growth. Join the community.

Send us Fan MailSanctuary Counseling Podcast host, Joey Bland, sits down with Virginia & Steve Tilleros to discuss Marriage & Ministry. Virginia & Steve have been in full-time ministry throughout their marriage and share some insights that they have learned over the close to thirty years. The depth of honesty and vulnerability of struggles and the hope and evidence of growth and maturity make this a must listen to podcast episode. Join the community.

Send us Fan MailFollowing episode 1, Joey & Bill provide a generous and varied menu of resources for engagement & marriage. Join the conversation. 

Send us Fan MailJoin Joey & Bill as they begin this series on marriage. This first episode touches on the necessity of vulnerability to build trust and learning to be good at conflict. Join the conversation.

Send us Fan Mail"The inability to do conflict well comes from the fact that we've never been taught how to do it." Join Joey & Bill as they continue their series on Organizational Health with focusing on Dealing With Conflict In Your Organization. Conflict is a skill, and like learning to play a musical instrument, the more you practice healthy conflict the better you get at it. Come join the conversation.

Send us Fan MailDon't allow yourself to get stuck and lose your vision for your work. Healthy change in organizations is possible. Listen in as Joey and Bill discuss how to start taking small steps of progress.

Send us Fan MailJoin the conversation as Joey and Bill dive into Organizational Health. As Bill comments, we often don't know what components make an organization healthy, but we sure can recognize when an organization is not healthy. In a fast changing and fluid professional landscape today more than ever understanding what makes organizations healthy is critical.

Send us Fan MailIn episode 2 with, Greg Spillyards, the conversation focuses in on the necessity for surrender to then be able to enjoy our full purpose. Greg moved into a leadership role in his company, at a pivotal time, and how unsuspecting circumstances due to complex needs of his daughter created a heart within him that was prepared to lead toward organizational health.