Sanctuary Peacemakers

In this episode, I’m joined by Rodney Carpentier, a law enforcement lieutenant and co-leader of a Behavioral Threat Assessment and Management (BTAM) team, to talk about recognizing warning signs and preventing targeted violence in churches and other houses of worship.We discuss how concerning behavior develops, where people tend to miss it, and what churches can do to take concerns seriously without losing the heart of ministry.Rodney also brings a unique perspective through his role as an usher in his parish, offering insight from both the law enforcement and church side of these situations.You can learn more about Rodney and his work at:https://rlcarpentier.com/I use PodMatch to connect with guests for this podcast—if you’re interested in podcasting, it’s a great resource.https://www.joinpodmatch.com/sanctuary_peacemakerIntro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used with permissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

Most people think violence is random—but there are often warning signs long before anything happens.In this episode, I’m joined by Robert Mahoney, founder of TVTP Solutions, to break down the “pathway to violence,” what behaviors to look for, and how churches can recognize and respond before a situation escalates.Learn more about his work at: https://tvtpsolutions.com/Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

This episode features Robert Siciliano, CEO of Protect Now LLC and the architect of the Strategic Human Firewall. You can learn more about his work at protectnowllc.com.Churches are built on trust—but that same mindset can create blind spots.In this episode, I’m joined by Robert Siciliano to break down what he calls the “Sanctuary Blindspot”—the tension between being welcoming and staying aware. We talk about why people lower their guard in church environments, how situational awareness gets mistaken for paranoia, and the real danger behind the mindset of “it won’t happen here.”We also get into practical steps—what greeters and volunteers should actually be paying attention to, and how churches can stay approachable without becoming vulnerable.And if you want to learn more about Robert and his work, you can find him at protectnowllc.com.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley JonesIf you’re interested in connecting with podcast guests or starting your own show, check out PodMatch—link in the description. https://www.joinpodmatch.com/sanctuary_peacemaker

This is a bonus conversation with Eric Robinson after the main interview—more informal, but still some valuable insight.

Most people don’t recognize a gunshot right away—and that delay matters. In this episode, former FBI agent Eric Robinson breaks down what people get wrong, why hesitation happens, and what churches should be thinking about in those first critical moments.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley JonesIf you’re interested in connecting with podcast guests or starting your own show, check out PodMatchhttps://www.joinpodmatch.com/sanctuary_peacemaker

Most churches don’t think about protests until they’re already happening. In this episode, former FBI agent Eric Robinson breaks down how these situations develop, escalate, and what churches should be thinking about ahead of time.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley JonesIf you’re interested in connecting with podcast guests or starting your own show, check out PodMatchhttps://www.joinpodmatch.com/sanctuary_peacemaker

In this episode of Sanctuary Peacemakers, I’m joined by Eric Robinson—a former FBI agent, SWAT operator, firearms instructor, and pastor—who brings a rare and valuable perspective on church safety.Eric recently retired from the FBI after 24 years as a special agent, where he worked cases ranging from counterterrorism to crimes against children. Before that, he spent over a decade in Christian ministry, including serving as a pastor. That combination of experience in both ministry and federal law enforcement provides a unique lens on the realities churches face today.In this conversation, we discuss how churches should think about safety and preparedness in practical terms—not just in response to worst-case scenarios, but in everyday situations that are far more likely to occur. Eric explains how planning ahead—much like in SWAT operations—can prevent the need for split-second decision-making during a crisis.We also cover:The most common situations churches are likely to face (beyond mass shootings)Warning signs that often appear before incidents escalateHow frameworks like Run, Hide, Fight (ALERRT) apply in a church settingThe differences between ALERRT and ALICE trainingWhy internal investigations in churches sometimes fail—and how that can be addressedOne practical step church leaders can take right now to improve preparednessThis conversation is not about fear—it’s about awareness, responsibility, and being better equipped to protect those we serve.🎙 Looking to be a guest or find guests for your podcast?Check out PodMatch here:  https://www.joinpodmatch.com/sanctuary_peacemakerIntro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

After a critical incident, what comes next? In this final segment, we discuss Crosspointe Church’s path forward and the key lessons churches can take moving ahead.Connect with great podcast guests and opportunities:https://www.joinpodmatch.com/sanctuary_peacemakerIntro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

Continuing my conversation with Jay Trombley about the Crosspointe Church incident. After a brief break last week, we dive back in and pick up where we left off. More conversation about the aftermath of the Crosspointe Church incident with the church safety officer responsible for saving lives.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

Quick update for listeners. The ongoing interview series with Jay Trombley about the Crosspointe Church incident will continue next week. Thanks for your patience as we resume the conversation in the next episode.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

Part three of my conversation with Jay Trombley shifts from the incident itself to the aftermath. We discuss what followed the Crosspointe Church attack—the emotional toll, the media attention, the internal challenges, and the long process of recovery for both Jay and the congregation.This episode examines what most people never see: what it takes to stabilize a church after violence, how leadership responds under scrutiny, and how faith and preparation intersect once the immediate threat is over.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

On June 22, 2025, a violent incident unfolded at Crosspointe Church in Wayne, Michigan. In this interview, safety officer Jay Trombley walks us through the events in real time - what happened, the decisions made in seconds, and how preparation translated into action when it mattered most.In Part Two of this series, the focus shifts from training to the incident itself. This is a direct, step-by-step account of response under pressure and the critical moments that helped save lives.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

What does it really take to be ready for the unthinkable?In this five-part interview series, we sit down with Jay Trombley, a member of the Crosspointe Church security team who played a critical role in protecting lives when an armed individual arrived on church property with the intent to cause mass harm. This isn’t about hero worship or headlines — it’s about preparation, responsibility, and the quiet decisions made long before a crisis ever happens.In Part One, Jay takes us behind the scenes of the training, planning, and mindset that shaped his team. We talk about the drills they ran, the conversations they had, and the weight of preparing for a moment everyone hopes will never come. It’s an honest look at how readiness is built over time — and why that preparation mattered when it counted most.This series is about faith, vigilance, and what it means to protect a community when everything is on the line.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

We are exploring how churches can work together to strengthen their safety and security teams. Learn practical steps for sharing resources, coordinating training, and creating a safer environment for congregations through collaboration with neighboring churches.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

We're closing out the series on megachurch versus small church security comparison. Learn how to train volunteers, coordinate teams, and make cameras, alarms, and communication tools effective in both small and megachurches.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

Children's ministry safety requires more than locks or cameras. In this episode of Sanctuary Peacemakers, learn how small churches and megachurches can use check-in systems, monitored cameras, and communication tools to protect kids while maintaining a welcoming environment. Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesRelease Date: October 31, 2024Listen on Apple Music: “Not Today” by Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley JonesWritten by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua FrerichsProduced by: Joshua FrerichsMixed & Mastered by: Joshua FrerichsRelease Date: January 16, 2026Used With PermissionListen on Apple Music: “Sound Mind” by Lesley Jones

Communication is the backbone of church security. In this episode of Sanctuary Peacemakers, learn how small churches and megachurches can use radios, apps, and clear protocols to respond quickly, coordinate volunteers, and integrate technology without confusion.Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley JonesUsed with permission.© Haley JonesWebsite: https://www.haleyjonesofficial.com/

Alarms alert—they don’t stop threats. In this episode of Sanctuary Peacemakers, we show small churches and megachurches how to implement alarms effectively, train volunteers, and integrate systems for safety without fear.

Cameras don’t stop threats—they help you see them. In this episode of Sanctuary Peacemakers, we break down how small churches and megachurches can right-size camera placement, monitor effectively, and train volunteers to enhance awareness without compromising trust.

This is part one of a six part series comparing the security needs of megachurches versus smaller churches. In this episode we take a look at the technology, from cameras to alarms, and how each church approach is different.

In this episode, we dive into the essentials ofevent security planning for churches, focusing on large gatherings, concerts, and special services. Learn best practices for creating a safe environment, implementing effective security measures, and fostering a culture of safetywithin your community. Whether you’re a security professional or a church leader, this episode provides valuable insights and actionable tips to ensure everyone’s safety.

This episode explains how to build a culture of safety and security at your church, and how to recruit you volunteers.

An introduction to situational awareness and what it actually is. Not paranoia, but an awareness of what is going on within your surroundings.

This is a comprehensive explanation of the rise of violence in churches and houses of worship with some suggestions on how to work towards making you sanctuary a harder target.

This episode talks about different ways you can still create an effective church safety and security team, even in a smaller church with a smaller budget.

We are talking about what security teams for houses of worship need to consider before being armed.

What happens after a mass casualty event? From the minutes after it ends, to the years after when victims are still trying to pick up the pieces. This episode talks about what happens after the dust settles.

This is our introductory podcast telling who we are, what we do, and why it is important. We talk about all things church safety and security, including security teams in houses of worship.