PODCAST · religion
Stuck in the Middle with You
by Baptist News Global
Join BNG Executive Director Mark Wingfield and Benjamin Cole, ”The Baptist Blogger,” in a spirited discussion of the history, people and current issues facing the Southern Baptist Convention. Get the perspective from the right and the left, from the past and the present.
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Episode 39: More bungling on the Brazos: Baylor, TPUSA, and Prism
In this episode, Mark and Ben discuss Baylor's clumsy handling of a TPUSA event, the university's ongoing struggles with public relations as a religious Research 1 institution, and the laudable work of the Baylor Lariat staff and mysterious NoZe Brothers. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 38: A conversation with Brian Kaylor about what is and isn’t Christian nationalism
In this episode, Mark and Ben sit down with Rev. Dr. Brian Kaylor, editor-in-chief of Word&Way and vice chair for the board of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, to discuss what Christian nationalism really means. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 37: Pastoral Authority: Who Runs the Church?
In this episode, Mark and Ben discuss the tensions that arise in Baptist churches when pastoral authority collides with the priesthood of all believers. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 36: Should SBC leaders comment on current events?
In this episode, Mark and Ben butt heads over Southern Baptist reactions to the Trump Administration and what exactly the word "empathy" means in the Christian context. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 35: The Black Box: NAMB's Finances
In this episode, Jon Bullock joins Mark and Ben to discuss the North American Mission Board's consistent lack of finanical transparency and accountability. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 34: The Twin Cities: Can we agree on anything?
In this episode, Mark and Ben seek common ground over what happened at a Minneapolis-Saint Paul Southern Baptist Church over the weekend. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 33: What Is Antisemitism?
In this episode, Mark and Ben discuss the intersection of antisemitism, Jewish identity, Christian theology, and the state of Israel. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 32: Christianity Today & the Future of Religious Journalism
In this episode, Mark and Ben discuss the changing landscape of religious media beyond the Baptist world. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 31: Clergy Sexual Abuse & Conflicts of Interest
In this episode, Mark and Ben follow up with new revelations in the David Sills/Jennifer Lyell case, gray areas and conflicts of interest in the abuse survivor cause, and ongoing legal challenges in Christian contexts. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 30: Immigration, Deportation, & Faith-Based Protest
In this episode, Mark and Ben talk immigration, deportation, religious protest, and what the term "sanctuary" really means and when it should be applied in light of current action by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 29: Making Sense of the David Sills Lawsuit
Newly released discovery documents reveal explosive details in former professor David Sills’ ongoing defamation suit against the SBC and others. BNG contributors David Bumgardner, Mallory Challis, and Rick Pidcock join the show for a roundtable discussion on the latest revelations of previously unknown facts about the SBC, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, and the sexual abuse allegations involving Sills and his former student, Jennifer Lyell. Episode Resources: GRACE Network RAINN Victim Connect Resource Center Research Article from the European Journal of Psycho-Traumatology (2023) on the use of appeasement by abuse victims as a means of survival in risky/dangerous relationships
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Episode 28: Jennifer Davis Rash
In this episode, Mark and Ben sit down with Jennifer Davis Rash, editor-in-chief of The Alabama Baptist, to discuss her exclusive reporting on the newly unsealed audio recordings of the 2009-2010 Great Commission Resurgence Task Force. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 27: Jodi Chapman
In this episode, Mark and Ben sit down with Jodi Chapman, wife of Morris Chapman, former President and CEO of the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, to discuss life as a preacher's wife and what retirement is like for a pastor and his family. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 26: Religion and Public Education
In this episode, Mark and Ben discuss the history of religious influence on public education and the ongoing conflict between the two. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 25: The Charlie Kirk Assassination, Christian Martyrdom, and Political Violence in America
In this episode, Mark and Ben discuss the assassination of Charlie Kirk, what it means to be a martyr, and how America may or may not solve its political violence problem. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 24: Doug Haney & Benjamin Harlan
Doug Haney & Benjamin Harlan join Mark and Ben to discuss the history of music in Baptist life, the changing landscape of music education, and the ongoing struggle over traditional versus contemporary worship. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 23: George Mason
George Mason joins Ben and Mark to discuss a lifetime of ministry and what's expected of a pastor in Baptist churches. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 22: O. S. Hawkins
O. S. Hawkins joins Ben and Mark to discuss changes in Baptist pastoral ministry over the last five decades. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 21: More Chaos at Lifeway
Ben and Mark discuss the latest issues plaguing Lifeway Christian Resources. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 20: Baptist identity and confessional clarity: A conversation with Curtis Freeman and Malcolm Yarnell
Ben and Mark talk with Baptist theologians Malcolm Yarnell and Curtis Freeman about Baptist identity and a recent high profile departure from the SBC. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 19: Can Baylor University have it both ways? The ongoing conflicts of pursuing Tier One status while maintaining Texas Baptist ties
Ben and Mark discuss the recent kerfuffle at Baylor University over a rescinded research grant, and where the University's aspirations meet Baptist reality. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 18: A conversation with Professor Carl Kell about the power and strategy of pulpit rhetoric to reinvent and reform the SBC
Ben and Mark sit down with Carl Kell, retired Professor Emeritus of Communication at Western Kentucky University, to discuss the state of pulpit preaching in the SBC and Kell's upcoming fifth book, "Requiem: In Remembrance of the Southern Baptist Convention." Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 17: After Dallas: What happened and didn't happen at the SBC Annual Meeting
Ben and Mark conduct a postmortem on the 2025 SBC Annual Meeting in Dallas. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 16: SBC Preview
Ben and Mark give a preview of what to expect at the upcoming SBC Annual Meeting in Dallas. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 15: What Happened While We Were Gone
Ben and Mark discuss a range of church affairs, including the SBC's Cooperative Program, a rocky pastoral transition at Second Baptist Houston, abuse at Camp Kanakuk, the use of NDAs, the resurrection of Southwestern Baptist, the future of international seminary students, the latest church stats from Ryan Burge, church finances and enrollment, and the removal of Josh Buice from G3 Ministries. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 14: Sunday School
Ben and Mark discuss their Sunday School experiences and what makes a Baptist church tick. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 13: Post Inauguration Reflections
Ben and Mark discuss their opposite political views and how they see things 10 days after Trump's second inauguration. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 12: Season Finale
Mark and Ben reflect on season one and talk about what's next for the podcast. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 11: The Local Church as Baptist HQ
Mark and Ben discuss the centrality of the local church in their lives and in the Baptist tradition. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 10: The SBC Goes to Court
Mark and Ben discuss the avalanche of ongoing litigation in the SBC. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 9: The Media in Baptist Life
Mark and Ben discuss the role of the media in Baptist life and share their own experiences as religious journalists. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 8: The Rise of Calvinism in the SBC
Mark and Ben discuss the contentious issue of Calvinism in Baptist life and how the theological view has shaped seminaries, ministries, and fellowship. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 7: The State of Theological Education in the SBC
Mark and Ben discuss the changing nature of theological education in the Southern Baptist Convention and how students are being prepared for ministry. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 6: What Does Missions Work Mean in the SBC?
Mark and Ben discuss the evolving nature of missions work in the Southern Baptist Convention. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 5: What’s wrong with the ERLC?
Mark and Ben discuss the history, leadership, and controversies of the SBC's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 4: Christian Nationalism
Mark and Ben discuss the rise of Christian Nationalism and trade views on the historical and contemporary relationship of church and state in the Baptist context. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 3: Why the gap between the SBC and CBF is wider than ever
Mark and Ben discuss the leftward and rightward ideological movement happening in the Southern Baptist Convention and the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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SPECIAL EPISODE: Sealed Documents in Sexual Abuse Case Made Public
In this special episode of Stuck in the Middle with You, Mark and Ben discuss breaking news: More than 10,000 pages of highly confidential and legally protected information from a sexual abuse victim's case against Paige Patterson and Southwestern Seminary were published publicly online for about three days. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 2: The SBC’s broken trustee system
Mark and Ben discuss the havoc caused by the Southern Baptist Convention's broken trustee system and what to do about it. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Episode 1: Why should I care about this podcast?
Mark and Ben introduce their new podcast, Stuck in the Middle with You, and give a preview of what's to come. Support Baptist News Global by visiting BaptistNews.com.
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Join BNG Executive Director Mark Wingfield and Benjamin Cole, ”The Baptist Blogger,” in a spirited discussion of the history, people and current issues facing the Southern Baptist Convention. Get the perspective from the right and the left, from the past and the present.
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