The Defiance and Obedience Podcast

We are happy to welcome Jubal Marlatt, of Jubilee Clinics, back to the show to provide an update of the clinic and its operations. We are thankful for him and Dr. Marks as they both are bringing this operation to life in our area but it might be what America needs, at scale. Also stay tuned for some good boy-raising, 20-20 insight.    Brews: Squatch Tracks Pastry Stout by Great Notion Barrel-Aged Even More Jesus BBS by Evil Twin

Ian explains why he has a beef with eagles? This gets us on a rabbit trail about predator hunting - COYOTES… mostly. We get to our main topic which is discussing how we can raise kids to love their people and be ok with other people - like submitting to other authorities, dealing with other kids with different standards and maybe even other authorities with different standards! Evangel Classical Fundraiser Feast: May 15th @ 5:30 Brews: Even More Irish Jesus Irish Stout by Evil Twin Even More Xmas Imperial Stout by Evil Twin

Are things getting worse in WA State for those that want to raise a family, start a business, be productive and flourish?! Perhaps this is the case - but it should not dampen our efforts to lean into training our children up in the way that they should go. We might touch on some topics that induce some laughter as well - which is GOOD.    Brews: Mango Fluff Tart Ale by Great Notion Brewing Not Getting Any Younger Triple IPA by Vice Beer

We touch on the how people are reacting to the podcast name change, some more Flock camera discussion and other updates. We then take a dive into the life and politics of Abraham Lincoln as well as the modern issue of machine guns in Kentucky.  All this and more on Episode 120 of the Defiance and Obedience Podcast! Brews: Monotony Barleywine by Irrelevant Beer Big Bad Baptist Cherry Bliss by Epic Brewing

What do Conconully, WA and a book on leadership have to do with each other?! This episode of course! Coming off our awesome interview with Dean Pakinas last episode, we take a step back and reminisce on some local PNW places as well as discuss some principles from the book "It's Your Ship" by Michael Abrashoff. The laughter is free. You're welcome.   Brews: Melipona BBA Stout by OldSchoolhouse Brewery (out of Winthrop, WA) Beneath Covered Bridges Imperial Stout by Wayward Lane Brewing and Timber Ales

This week we are joined by Dean Pakinas from Swans Trail Farms. We hear about his life story as a father, wrestling coach and now, full time farmer (and still, father ;). We really enjoyed this discussion and hope you do as well!   Brews: Apple Pie Sour by Claim 52 Brewing S.S.B. BBA Imperial Stout by Skookum Brewery

From ICE walkouts to parenting cues, this episode correlates what is happening on a more national level, with what we might be seeing on a local level. Are you paying attention to markers in your children's behavior? When you see issues, do you first think of what you can be doing differently? We tackle all this (and more) on this fresh episode of welding defiance and obedience into one inseparable whole!   Brews: Maltings Irish Ale by Sullivan Brewing Company Speedway Stout Chocolate Pecan Pie Edition by Alesmith Brewing

In this episode we do a deeper dive into the issues going on with Minneapolis - or rather one of the issues. It's hard to say whether the immigration enforcement or the rampant fraud are bigger issues. We discuss issues relating to the Second Amendment, what's legal vs what is wise, and many other issues that the Alex Pretti shooting brings out.   Brews: Chronocask BBA Imperial Stout by Skookum Brewery Darker Persuasion Pastry Stout by Icicle Brewing

After we pour a beer, we get into what is happening in Minnesota with the ICE-related shootings and how that story has been developing. Do you occasionally take a left on a red arrow? We discuss our thoughts on that. Ha. The primary topic we dive into is indicators that maybe your children don't feel freedom to make their own decisions - even on trivial matters. As they get older, they need space to start making good - and bad - decisions on their own so you can help train them up before their leave your home. What are those indicators?   Beers: Double Stack Imperial Stout with Coffee and Maple Syrup by Great Notion Taddy Porter by Samuel Smith Old Brewery

Josh has a dream and feels compelled to share it with the listeners. We discuss the brewerys in the area that have a change of ownership. We also discuss how to help our children avoid pitfalls we might see in their future based on their frame and strengths or weaknesses. How do you do that without condemning them to that fate before those specific pitfalls arise? We also give some of our initial thoughts on the first "major" ICE shooting incident from a few weeks ago.  Brews: Woodsman Porter by Ferment Brewing Company Joyfully Stuf'T Imperial Barrel-Aged Stout by Prairie Artisan Ales

Minnesota has been poppin' off! It's the land of snow and crazy Karens these days. We recap the Christmas break and go over some recent events. Also, Pickle Beer (maybe) sounds like a great idea but it turns out that it can have a rather nasty flavor in beer.  Drinks: King Nut Barrel-Aged Stout by Prairie Ales Vodka, Gin, and Brandy by Bellewood Farms Hold the Pickle Lager by Fort George Brewing

Merry Christmas from the Contraratics! Our topics span from bourbon-barrel-aged beer to feeding the homeless (however you decide to interpret that statement). Join us for a Christmas episode and may your table be full of mirth and celebration! Beers Sleigh Tipper Imperial Stout by Brothers Cascadia Brewing Shadow Rising Barrel-Aged Stout by Skookum Brewing

As we approach Christmas, we continue to discuss ways that we fathers can mess it up with our own attitude and disposition. Are you not excited about the various social get-togethers over the Christmas season? Do you wish everyone would just leave you alone? Are you disappointed by the lack of theological sincerity expressed by your children? Get your soul on board before you ask the rest of the family to. Set the standard with your own actions.    Drinks Angels Envy Triple Barrel Bourbon Goose Island Bourbon County Barrel-Aged Stout (30 year edition)   #gratitude #feasting #theology #kuyperian #christmas #beerreview #protestanttheology #fatherhood #children #parenting

We recap our Thanksgiving celebrations and hone in on Christian celebrations as a broader category. Why can't Christians just celebrate without over-spiritualizing everything? At the same time, why do other Christians look just like the world when they party? What does a well-differentiated, Kuyperian celebration look like? Let's dive in. Beers Black Nitro Stout by Sullivan's Brewing Company  Joe-Joe Creme Stout by Hardwood Brewing

Happy (late) Thanksgiving from the Contraratics! Gratitude should be our default, as Christians. In fact, feasting should be a strategic anchor in the liturgy of our families and communities. We discuss how we can all be pushing ourselves individually to contribute to a culture of hospitality and feasting - that is, giving to one another through sacrifice.  Beers: Ten Fiddy Barrel-Aged Stout from Oskar Blues Brewery Hazelnut & Vanilla Barrel-Aged Cuvee from Fremont Brewing #gratitude #feasting #theology #kuyperian #calvinist #beerreview #protestanttheology #fatherhood #children #parenting

How do you get a community of people to all support the same mission while accomplishing disparate tasks? Everyone can't be working on the same task directly but they are working towards the same goal. Specifically, we apply this to our local church community but we are confident that there are a lot of other churches around the globe with similar growing pains. We just start to chip away at this issue in this episode. Drinks: "The Village Drink" …. from Russia 12 year Single Pot Irish Whiskey from Redbreast

Living off-grid. Government overreach. Socialism comes to America. None of these things escape the purview of Christ. He is over governments and citizens alike and all must submit to Him. Join as we work through the various ways we should be submitting to Christ alone in all the spheres. Beers: KBS Hazelnut Fudge from Founders Brewing Matchless Treat Imperial Dark Ale by Matchless Brewing

There's the latest news in TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) regarding the construction of a new ballroom at the White House as well as a couple other hot topics that are flowing through the news feed that we touch on. The central topic that we land on is how to produce men that are taking up responsibility and owning their given station in life.   Beers: Asahi Super Dry Lager  Speedway Stout Maple Bar Edition by Alesmith 

What wasn't talked about on this episode? It ends up being a longer episode, with some of the usual beer-marveling, but also with a lot of talk about the government's role, as God defines it. We also entertain what we will be doing for all of eternity - like dominion-taking, husbandry and, namely, WORK.  Beers: Consecration (Ale aged in Cab. Sauv. barrels with black currants) by Russian River Dark Chocolate Peanut Butter Porter by Hardywood Brewing Chocolate Mousse Pastry Stout by Untitled Art

A common reoccurring theme on our show is calling fathers (first, ourselves) to take responsibility and take ownership of their roles as protector, provider and leader of their household. We explore this further after looking at one old and one new court case that involve fathers stepping in for the sake of protecting their children. Of course theirs a couple new brews involved as well. Enjoy!   Beers: The Fair is Cancelled Sour Ale by SIG Brewing  Watermelon Mango Daiquiri Sorbet Sour by Claim 52 Brewing

Josh and Ian are back together and bring the deep conversation as well as the laughter along with it. They recap on some of the Charlie Kirk reflections, memorial highlights, as well as the difficulty of forgiving someone of such a heinous crime against one of your loved ones. The humor comes later when they marvel at the eruption of Tylenol talk around the country - either those indulging in it to prove a point or those who are skeptical of its connection to autism. We hope you enjoy the range of conversation and perspective. Beers: Floral Budget Chef's Kiss Wild Ale by Oude Northwest Four Seasons Cocktail Inspired Imperial Stout by Mother Earth Brew

Special guest Grant Weinberg (from "The Doctor's In" channel on YT) joins the show to talk about the many hats he wears - husband, father, teacher and professor, to name a few. The discussion starts with the reactions to Charlie Kirk's passing, more than a week afterwards, and then leads to a discussion about Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" and why it is an important little book. Beer: Talking Teeth Coffee Stout by Bizarre Brewing and Outer Dark Coffee Co

In the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we discuss the need for Christians to be bold, to care more about the whole of life and why we need more people like Charlie. We might open with some light-hearted talk as we settle back into the "studio" but we eventually settle into the meat of our episode and we hope you enjoy.    Beer: Red Mason Rye Amber Rye Ale by Watts Brewing Company Triple Dank Shark Triple IPA by Great Notion and Alvarado Street Brewery

Our HUNDREDTH episode has finally come! We enjoy doing the podcast and thankful for our listeners. As the new school year approaches and summer winds down, we reconsider a consistent subject of being a present father and tuning into each individual kid. Also, we can't stop marveling at a good brew - the things that can come from water, hops, grain and yeast! Enjoy.   Beer: Sour from Larrabee Lager Co  2025 3-Way IPA Hazy from Fort George and Friends  What So Proudly We Prrrt by Drekker Brewing

The 4th of July should be about GRATITUDE. We've been adopted into an amazing heritage of those who have come before and secured many of the freedoms we now enjoy. But how did we get so soft as a country? In what ways are we trampling on the gift we've been given? ALSO, we have a Lager-Off in the midst of this conversation where we compare some of the more common lagers with some of the best, most available craft lagers. ENJOY!   Beers: Rainier Beer by Rainier Brewing Company Lager by Pfriem Brewing Cold IPA by Larrabee Lager Co Premium Lager by Heidelberg Beer Kirkland Signature Lager by Deschutes Brewery

Inspired by Ian's "new" 1971 Ford F-250, we go off on the benefit of things that are old and still work - both in terms of physical things and ideas. It's important to remind our children of where they came from. Also, we talk of Josh's recent experiences relocating a swarm of bees into a new hive.    Beer: Even More Biscotti by Evil Twin Brewing Breakfast at Wiley's Dutch Cocoa Vanilla Coffee by Wiley Roots Brewing Company

Is the necessity of people "chipping in" in a variety of things, unique to small organizations or is it tapping into a God-given feature? In other words, should Christians have a variety of interests and thus always be seeing new ways to contribute? We also get into some hot ECOLOGY talk. Tune in for this and more!   Beer:  Munchies Imperial Garbage Stout by Great Notion Brewing

Is the faith you proclaim coming through your fingertips? What you actually believe shows up in what you DO. So how are those things matching up? Can you see who you are in the story you're in? Are you checking in with those around you to make sure your perception of you matches what other people are seeing? On another topic, what makes about a customer service business attracts business besides a good product? Why do some restaurants or breweries feel welcoming while others are sterile and uninviting? We tackle these questions AND MORE in Episode 96.   Beer: 3-Way IPA by Fort George Brewery, Mirage Brewing, and Sunriver Brewing Sesame Chili Cream Stout by Lucky Envelope, Ladd & Lass and Halcyon Brewing Companies

We start off this week by talking about the various kinds of Pilsners that we've had and which ones we are sampling today. If you're not here for the beer talk, skip ahead a little. We then talk about some of the stuff going on the gun legislation side of things and some hope of suppressors being dropped from the NFA list. Finally, the meat of our discussion involves the importance of obeying your parents - when still in their house - and then continuing to honor them in your grown-up years. Enjoy!   Brews: Denim Tux by Bow and Arrow Brewing STS Pils by Russian River Brewing Pilsner by Pfriem Brewing

We start by entertaining why the Muslim culture is taking over so many soft, pluralistic societies around the world. Also, what's with the Tariff War? Is it actually hurting the Chinese economy? What about the recent push to take suppressors off the NFA list - is it Democrats or Republicans primarily hindering that effort? So we talk politics, theology, and we should be DOING in light of all of it - as is our habit.   Beers: Black Forest Cake Stout by Zoiglhaus Brewing Company Peanut Brother Stout by Great Notion Brewing

In this episode we talk a lot about raising girls to be capable, gritty women - not damsels that need to be wrapped in bubble wrap. We are pretty young in the parenting game but we talk about what we've learned so far, what we can do better and ultimately the vision of what we are aiming for with our future generations. Come along for the various rabbit trails that always ensue. Drinks Cherry Beer by Russian River Brewing Emerge Barrel-Aged Stout by Claim 52 Brewing  

The long-awaited Sean Higgins has finally joined the Contraratics Podcast after years of us teasing the idea, it all came together. We talk about everything from the theology of consuming alcohol to why bother to make Marysville great and how Evangel Classical School might fit into that strategy. The scope is broad but there's depth as well - as you might notice - this is a longer-than-usual episode and it's worth it! Enjoy!   Dram Redbreast 12 year Irish Whiskey Glenfiddich Single Barrel Scotch

We record "offsite" on this episode during Spring Break - which applies to both us (as teachers) and our children. We dive into a little bit of Mein Kampf and why people are so afraid of it. Is it healthy to read writings of such hateful and truly evil people such as Hitler? Also we remind one another of the value of story-telling - both reading good stories and telling true and fictional stories to our children.  Drinks: Nightfell Barrel-aged Stout by Skookum Brewery a Russian Vodka (?)

We get the distinct privilege of interviewing a friend and local entrepreneur who is endeavoring to opening a "direct primary care" (or DPC) clinic. This was a very insightful interview into the mess of the current healthcare system and all the impediments to actually serving the patients well. It's exactly this sort of thing that Marysville and its residents need and we are excited to help spread the news!    Dram: Redbreast 12 year Irish Whiskey Glenfiddich Single Barrel Scotch

This week we tackle an oft-repeated theme of repentance, this time with the specific with the aim of building sturdy kids. If they hear from our mouths one thing but we are showing them another, don't be surprised when they follow your example. Also a reminder that the internet is fake and gay - test everything (1 Thess. 5:21 & Not the Bee). Enjoy!   Brews   "I Assure You We Make Stouts" - collab between Fidens and Timber Brewing Co's Double Chocolate Stout by Rogue Brewing

This episode starts out the gate with returning to the subject of food and how we as Christians should care in the right ways. How do you maintain fellowship while having distinct thoughts on what is actually GOOD for you and your family? We also hit on the ninth circuit judge who recently made a video talking about why the second amendment should protect all the parts of a firearm, not just some.    Brews: Dead n' Dead Guy Ale (Barrell-aged Dead Guy Ale) by Rogue Brewing  Duchesse de Bourgogne (Brown/Red Sour Ale) by Verhaeghe Brewery

We start by talking about how confusing transgender "news stories" can be. After that point of debasement and hilarity, we discuss how to move a group of people, like a family, all in the same direction, pursuing a united goal. Is there a difference between a culture-shaper and culture-maker? ALSO, why homeschool or why NOT?   Brews MellowWood Doppelbock (Oak-aged German-style Lager) by Urban Roots Brewing  Big Bad Baptist Salted Maple Barrel-Aged Stout by Epic Brewing

Is extraterrestrial life tenable? Are spiritual forces real? Can Christians do media excellently?  Can AI get saved? Is there a spiritual "hack" around having to repent all the time? In no particular order of logical progression or importance, these are but a few of the questions we tackle in today's episode. Also, feel free to check out the video version of this episode over on YouTube if that's your thing. Brews Even More Jesus by Evil Twin Brewing 'Roll Me One of Those Cowboy' Imperial Stout by Fat Orange Cat Brewing 

After an interview with Evangel Classical's Headmaster, Jonathan Sarr in the last episode, the Contraratics hop back on the podcast horse and dive into the outrage over Elon Musk's D.O.G.E. department. Of course, the typical rabbit trails are taken and do not disappoint (but if they do, we don't claim responsibility). Ha!   Beers IMPERIAL DOUGHNUT BREAK by Evil Twin Brewing SPEEDWAY STOUT: GERMAN CHOCOLATE CAKE EDITION by Alesmith Brewing Company

Apparently this episode never got posted from the week after Trump's second inauguration on 1/20/25. Don't want you to miss these gold nuggets! Ha. We give our unscripted reactions to how his first week was going from our perspective and how the country seems to be responding.   Beers Soda Jerk Cream Ale by Skookum Brewery Barrel Aged Black Barley Wine Ex Novo Brewing

Josh and Ian, both of whom are teachers at Evangel Classical School as well as hosts of this podcast, interview Headmaster Jonathan Sarr. They dive into questions of how the school came to be, why the classical model, and what makes the ECS culture unique. What's in the Dram? Woodinville Whiskey's 8 Year Bourbon Woodinville Whiskey's Rye Bourbon #RisusEstBellum #LaughterIsWar #evangelclassical #teacher #school #staff #classicaleducation #truthgoodnessbeauty #christianschool 

This was recorded back in the fall of 2024 and only now is reaching your ears. May it bless you and may you forgive for all the reference we've made to things in this episode that fail to land... simply bc we failed to release the episode! Laughter is War.

The biggest news of the week was the California wildfires and the country has already moved on from last week's headlines. We are on the doorstep of Trump's inauguration but first, why is Ozempic or "GLP-1 Supplements" thrown in your face at every turn these days? We discuss some of the systemic problems it is seeking to solve and whether it is a good option, philosophically, for a Christian.   Beer Big Bad Baptist Stout (Old Fashioned) by Epic Brewing Correspondent Stout by Wander Brewing

Remember LAST WEEK when the Cybertruck blew up in front of the Trump hotel in Vegas and the attack happened in New Orleans? Feels like a month ago, we know. We are already fully into the LA fires and Jimmy Carter funeral. If nothing else, here's your reminder of what happened last week. Beer Sweet Harmony Imperial Pastry Stout by SIG Brewing Kiss Kiss Double Milk Chocolate Stout by Stillwater

We discuss the right and wrong ways to approach Christmas. Most people can see the ba-humbug approach's shortcomings but what about the Christian reluctant to get excited about physical "stuff"? God became man - human - PHYSICAL and thus we shouldn't feel icky embracing those good gifts. We wrap up with calling politicians on their stuff. Beer Remainders Barrel-Aged Cuvee from Fremont and Fort George Brewing

The episode starts with laughing about how we "recorded" 8 minutes of nothing and then proceeded to re-record, for reals. We set out to talk about why laughter matters and then ended up laughing the whole way through, hopefully making our point. Beer 2023 Kristi's Fractured Ale from 5 Rights Brewing Skookies and Cream Stout from Skookum Brewery #laughter #laughteriswar #theology #ChristisKing

Another bite-sized episode that involves everything from education options for your children to breaking down the film on the most recent CEO assassination. The resident gun nerd, nerds out on what could've caused the issues the assassin seemed to have with his semi-auto weapon. Nothing under Christ's lordship is off the table here!   Beer Salted Caramel Fudge Swirl Dark Expanse by Threshold Brewing and Blending

This episode might be released a week late but the good news is that it's never too late to talk about giving thanks. We remind ourselves and our listeners that gratitude is always in order and especially so for Christians - the only ones who can explain WHY. And of course there's always some political banter.   Beer Best Fiends Strong Porter by Cellarmaker

Recorded just a few days after the recent election where "Orange Man Bad" took the popular and electoral vote majorities, we dive into some of the hot button issues that came up on the campaign trail. The future looks bright but also as uncertain as ever. Time to get back to work. Beer: Murder of Crows by Skookum Brewery

Is it too late to endorse a candidate? We aren't sure but we are releasing this episode for those who are undecided. This is sure to sway your opinion. Also, thoughts on future drone warfare. All happy thoughts. Make the next right decision - with your kids and your vote.   Beer    2021 Goose Island Bourbon County Founder's Find 12 Yr Bourbon Mash Whiskey from Woodinville Whiskey