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In this episode, Matt, Taylor, and Denver do a live study of Ezekiel 37 - the famous Valley of Dry Bones.What's going on in this nightmarish vision that feels like it's straight out of a zombie movie? Where did the bones come from? Who do they belong to? Why are they so dry and what would it mean for them to live again with flesh?All of this and more will be explored in this penultimate episode of season 4. Be sure to like, subscribe, rate, and all that jazz as we begin to make preparations for season 5 of the Learning Laborers.Music Credits:Revelation 22 by Poor Bishop HooperA Ghost to Guide You by Poor Bishop HooperThe Resurrection by Poor Bishop Hooper

This special Holy Week episode features an interview with Jesse Roberts from the band Poor Bishop Hooper. Jesse and his wife Leah have been making music and ministering together since 2013. All of their music is deeply rooted in the Bible, and their corpus of work represents an immensely rich gift to the Church. As such, we've interspersed some of their work throughout the episode for your enjoyment.In their conversation with Jesse, Denver and Taylor ask about his experience creating scriptural music with his wife. They dig especially into the history and process of making the EveryPsalm project as well as the Golgotha album (14 Stations of the Cross dramatized through original songs). They also pick Jesse's brain about the role of art in society, in the church, and in the hard seasons of life. Poor Bishop Hooper performs their Golgotha album all over the midwest every Lenten season. If you are in the Kansas City area, be sure to check whether they are hosting a Golgotha experience near you this week! 00:00 Holy Week Intro00:24 Psalm One Performance03:21 Meet Jesse Roberts04:03 Origins of Poor Bishop Hooper06:24 Golgotha Stations Beginnings10:44 Touring and Partnering Churches12:49 Band Name Explained15:58 Psalm Twenty Five Song17:54 Why Art Matters22:45 Every Psalm Project27:08 Writing Psalms Weekly32:17 Golgotha Visual Art34:42 Artist Jeremy Collaboration36:43 Prophecy Driven Albums37:59 Art That Teaches Worship39:05 Prison Book Impact44:15 Lent And Suffering Focus48:41 Designing Darkness And Space53:33 Shifting Narrator Perspectives57:04 New Record Lonely Encounters01:00:45 Fresh Insights Over Time01:08:50 Advice For Ministry Artists01:13:32 Artists As Cultural Seers01:15:09 Final Blessing And Praise

As we draw closer to Holy Week, Matt and Taylor devote an episode to the trial of Jesus before Pontius Pilate. Matthew details the importance of this episode in the story of the Gospels and also explains why Pilate is so prominent in Scripture and later tradition. Have you ever noticed that Pilate is mentioned not just in all four Gospels, but also in Acts, 1 Timothy, and the Nicene Creed? What's more, there have been a whole host of different portrayals of this Roman governor across history. From Josephus to Dante to the Chosen, he is one of the most nuanced and varied characters in Christian tradition.But how do the Gospels actually portray Pilate? And what does this tell us about the character and experience of Jesus? Matthew gives us a fresh take on these very important questions in this episode of the Learning Laborers.Recommended Resources:Pontius Pilate in History and Interpretation (Helen Bond)The Trials of Jesus by Paul BarnettDon't forget to rate and subscribe to the Learning Laborers, and also check out our new Substack!

The Learning Laborers hosts a conversation about Leviticus with Dr. Dru Johnson. Dru frames Leviticus as forming God’s people through embodied, communal practices that keep God’s presence among them and train them for justice and righteousness. In other words, it is not simply a “tech manual” for carrying out sacrifices and other rituals unfamiliar to us today. Rather, it continues to speak to thoughtful Christians through its beautiful structure and visceral imagery.If you have questions about why Leviticus matters, how we should read it today, and how it helps us understand Jesus' life and death, then tune in! Welcome to the wonderful world of ritual!Resources:Understanding Biblical Law by Dru JohnsonA Journey through the World of Leviticus by Mark ScarlataLeviticus by Jay SklarThe Sacrifice of Jesus by Christian Eberhart00:00 What Leviticus Is About00:39 Podcast Welcome01:35 Meet Dru Johnson06:27 Why Study Leviticus13:26 Big Idea of Leviticus21:19 Purity and Sacrifice29:11 Atonement and Mystery38:11 God Wants Communion39:56 Slaves and Beloved40:59 Skin in the Game43:03 Beauty of Leviticus46:03 Jesus and Torah47:21 Bootcamp Rituals54:16 Ritual Worldview59:40 Jesus and Sacrifice01:05:56 Priests and Accountability01:13:01 Resources and Wrap Up

Matt, Taylor, and Denver welcome Dr. Teresa Roberts (professor at Ozark Christian College) to discuss why children’s ministry is vital to a healthy church.Roberts argues that the most significant formation happens in the first 13 years of life, making the local church an essential partner - alongside parents - in building a strong foundation of faith and serving as an extended family for children. The conversation covers childhood development (including concrete vs. abstract thinking and how young children process Bible stories), the importance of careful, responsible teaching and vocabulary, and how children also disciple adults through curiosity and theological questions. Roberts critiques common curriculum trends from the past 20–30 years, including entertainment-driven programming, theme-based teaching that forces Bible stories to fit, and behaviorism that bypasses the character of God. She emphasizes asking, “What does this story teach about the character of God?” and highlights the value of live teaching over video-based lessons. We also discuss how to handle difficult biblical stories in age-appropriate ways, the need for children’s and student ministries to coordinate what is taught when, and other topics related to children's ministry.Follow The Learning Laborers on Substack!Support us on Patreon.Check out these recommended resources:Raising Disciples: Guiding Your Kids Into a Faith of Their Own by Teresa RobertsThe Bible Story Handbook by John Walton & Kim Walton00:00 Welcome Back + Why Children’s Ministry Matters (More Than ‘Goldfish’)02:09 Volunteer Shortage & A Call to Action for the Church04:16 Kids Today: A Different World (Tech, Social Media, Discipling Across Generations)05:46 Meet Dr. Theresa Roberts: Children’s Discipleship Expert08:30 Jesus Welcomes Children: The Biblical Case for Prioritizing Kids Ministry10:05 The First 13 Years: Research, Parents, and the Church as Extended Family14:20 Faith Stories from the Hosts: Raised in Church vs. Coming to Christ Later17:32 How Kids Think: Development, Concrete vs. Abstract, and Careful Theology24:32 Kids as the Church Now: Curiosity, Questions, and Mutual Discipleship30:05 From Knowing About God to Knowing God: Worship, Wonder, and Hearing the Spirit33:55 Identity in the Teen Years: Imago Dei as a Lifelong Anchor34:38 Beyond Indoctrination: Teaching Kids to Listen for God in Prayer36:27 Kids Are Watching: Modeling Scripture, Prayer, and Faith at Home38:30 Children’s Ministry Hot Take: When Curriculum Becomes Entertainment & Behaviorism44:05 Fixing the Focus: ‘Discover God’ and Live Teaching Over Screens47:01 Handling the Hard Bible Stories: Age-Appropriate Truth Without Sheltering55:22 Middle School Boys & Small Groups: Build Trust Through Play and Presence01:02:53 Final Charge: Be Intentional—Jesus Welcomes the Little Ones

In this episode of the Learning Laborers Podcast, Taylor hosts a conversation with Dr. Matthew McBirth on the themes of persecution and suffering faced by the recipients of 1 Peter. They delve into the historical and sociological contexts of early Christians, discussing how their faith led to social and cultural conflict. The episode surveys scriptural references and relevant historical background to offer nuanced insights into whether these early Christians experienced formal persecution. The discussion addresses the importance of understanding this context for modern-day believers and leaders, providing guidance on pastoral care and the appropriate Christian response to suffering and hostility. Resources mentioned:And Upon This RockChristian Persecution in Antiquity1 Peter by Williams and Horrell1 Peter by Karen Jobes1 Peter by Dennis Edwards1 Peter by Scot McKnight1 Peter by Craig KeenerTaylor's Substack00:00 Introduction to the Learning Laborers Podcast00:53 Opening Remarks and Episode Introduction01:24 Reflecting on the Past Decade02:07 Exploring First Peter's Political Instructions03:14 Understanding the Suffering of First Peter's Recipients04:41 The Social and Familial Conflicts Faced by Early Christians05:57 Household Codes and Christian Practices07:15 Public and Private Suffering in the Ancient World11:12 Distinguishing Suffering from Persecution17:25 The Importance of Contextualizing Early Christian Suffering23:41 Debating the Nature of Persecution in First Peter31:34 Introduction to the Discussion32:56 Exploring Historical Context33:26 The Role of Amanuensis in Letter Writing35:07 Persecution in the Roman Empire38:10 Pliny and Trajan Correspondence42:33 Persecution Narratives in Acts46:45 Economic and Religious Interconnections49:59 Peter's Pastoral Instructions53:26 Modern Reflections on Persecution01:00:10 Conclusion and Recommendations

In this Christmas episode of the Learning Laborers podcast, Denver and Taylor explore the multi-dimensional nature of Jesus' Messiahship through the lens of Matthew 1-2. Drawing on the work of Novenson, they explore the dynamics of Second Temple Messiah figures - some of who claimed messiahship based on birth, others based on merit. All of these figures, though, are compared to David in one way or another.How does Jesus' birth story fit into this matrix of Messiahship? What makes Jesus the legitimate heir to David's throne? Tune in to to hear a fresh perspective on the Christmas story.The Grammar of Messianism by Matthew NovensonThe True Meaning of Christmas by Michael Barber00:00 Introduction to the Learning Laborers Podcast00:44 Christmas Greetings and Traditions02:20 Exploring Jesus as the Messiah06:39 Understanding the Term 'Messiah'10:16 Messianic Expectations in Second Temple Judaism16:57 Legitimizing Messianic Claims26:05 Matthew's Genealogical Claim for Jesus32:59 Jesus as the New David34:08 The Christmas Story and Prophecies35:06 Herod's Threat and Jesus' Early Life38:42 Jesus' Anointing and Baptism47:22 The Vulnerability of Baby Jesus49:26 Concluding Thoughts and Christmas Wishes

In this episode, Matt, Denver, and Taylor welcome Dr. Shane J. Wood, a professor of New Testament at Ozark Christian College and Lincoln Seminary. The discussion delves into Dr. Wood's unique approach to biblical interpretation, which emphasizes empathy and vulnerability. Drawing from his books like Thinning the Veil and ongoing works, Dr. Wood explains how understanding the humanity of biblical characters and allowing the text to unearth personal experiences can lead to profound transformation. The conversation also touches on the challenges and responsibilities of pastors in guiding their congregations through the scriptures. Resources and methods for deeply engaging with the Bible across its various genres are discussed, offering listeners practical insights for their own study and ministry.Thinning the Veil by Shane J. WoodBetween Two Trees by Shane J. WoodThe Drama of Ephesians by Timothy GombisShane's Website00:00 Welcome to the Learning Laborers Podcast00:51 Introducing the Hosts and Today's Episode01:19 Conversation with Dr. Shane J Wood03:15 Diving into Biblical Interpretation06:21 Empathy and Vulnerability in Biblical Study18:06 The Transformative Power of Scripture40:34 Challenges in Pastoral Ministry43:16 The Inner Journey and Empathy in Pastoral Work44:35 Challenges in the Modern Pulpit46:00 Personal Struggles and Authenticity48:12 Addressing Congregational Needs and Identity52:00 The Role of Story in Scripture and Ministry56:46 Empathy and Understanding in Biblical Context01:00:36 The Transformative Power of Scripture01:06:23 Living Out the Biblical Narrative01:21:35 Final Reflections and Encouragement for Pastors

What did authentic hospitality look like in the ancient world? What were the lifelong implications for those who engaged in hosting and being hosted? How can the church get back to its roots of hospitality today?These questions and more will be explored in this episode of the Learning Laborers, as Matt walks Denver and Taylor through the idea of biblical hospitality. This topic served as the central focus of Matt's doctoral research and so he brings some great insights for us to meditate on together.Resources Mentioned: Saved by Faith and Hospitality by JippExclusion and Embrace by VolfMaking Room by PohlPlease don't forget to follow, rate, and review the podcast on your preferred podcast platform. It goes a long way to getting the episodes in front of more learners and laborers!

In this episode, Denver invites Matt and Taylor into a discussion of the theme of sleep in the narratives of Scripture. They explore the various Old Testament stories that feature sleep, probing to understand what kind of role it tends to play in these moments of revelation, covenant-making, and vulnerability. These ideas are then brought into conversation with particular stories of Jesus that feature sleep, illustrating how being familiar with the themes and motifs of the Hebrew Bible makes us better readers of the New Testament. Resource Mentioned:Theosomnia: A Christian Theology of Sleep (Bishop)00:00 Introduction and Episode Setup00:35 Discussing Sleep in the Bible05:40 Famous Sleep Stories in the Hebrew Bible07:23 Sleep as Opportunity for Divine Revelation and Covenant19:16 Sleep as Vulnerability in the Hebrew Bible28:01 Sleep and Death: A Metaphorical Connection35:04 Sleep in the New Testament36:42 Joseph's Dreams and Egypt Connection37:11 Jesus Describing Death as Sleep37:54 Sleep in the Parables of Jesus39:16 Mark 4: Sleeping in the Storm41:19 Jesus and Jonah: A Deeper Connection51:34 Mark 14: Sleep in the Garden of Gethsemane53:45 The Disciples' Weakness and Jesus' Resolve01:00:23 Theological Reflections and Conclusions01:12:37 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

In this episode of the Learning Laborers, hosts Matthew and Denver sit down with Dr. Brenton Fessler, lead pastor at Refuge OC in Orange, California. They discuss the journey and challenges of church planting, the importance of contextualization in ministry, and the key principles derived from Paul's missionary career in the book of Acts. Brenton shares personal anecdotes from his experience, including the unique approach his church has taken to sustain and grow in an expensive urban area. The conversation touches on the value of pastoral care, the significance of building community credibility, and the importance of mentorship and support for new church planters. Whether you're involved in ministry, considering church planting, or just intrigued by the integration of biblical scholarship with church planting principles, this episode will offer you valuable insight and encouragement.Brenton received a Doctor of Theological Ministry (New Testament Context) from Northern Seminary. He is also a contributing author to the volume And Upon this Rock⁠.Other Resources Mentioned:Pastor Paul by Scot McKnightThe First Urban Christians by Wayne Meeks00:00 Introduction to the Learning Laborers Podcast00:34 Meet the Hosts and Today's Guest00:46 The Absence of Taylor and Its Impact02:02 Introducing Dr. Brenton Fessler02:34 Brenton's Journey to Church Planting03:19 The Practical Side of Church Planting04:54 Diving into the Podcast with Dr. Fessler06:38 The Early Days of Church Planting12:27 Challenges and Realities of Church Planting17:40 Building Community and Credibility21:27 Learning from the Book of Acts23:38 The Role of the Holy Spirit in Church Planting25:51 The Importance of Contextualization33:55 Collaborating with Other Churches34:47 The Importance of Diversity in Church Communities36:25 Promoting Other Churches in the Community37:05 Challenges and Competition in Church Planting38:37 Supporting New Church Plants41:06 The Role of a Parent Church45:27 Personal Reflections on Church Planting55:31 The Evolution of a Church Planter01:03:11 Encouragement for Aspiring Church Planters

The Learning Laborers podcast is honored to host Dr. Carmen Joy Imes. Carmen is an Old Testament professor at Biola University and in this episode, we discuss her forthcoming book - Becoming God's Family: Why the Church Still Matters (which you can pre-order here).The conversation covers the biblical foundation of the "family" metaphor for God's people, examining how both the Old and New Testament share this important motif. Just as the people of Israel formed a community around the presence of God, so too the church has been called to rally together as a family around Christ. Carmen also shares practical ways that churches can learn to foster community and wait on God together, while at the same time appreciating their place in the global family of God. Resources from Carmen:Becoming God's Family Torah Tuesday Video SeriesLL Episodes Mentioned:Transfiguration Episode⁠Matthew Kimbrough Interview⁠Other Resources Mentioned:Churches and the Crisis of Decline by Andrew RootPaul and the Resurrection of Israel by Jason StaplesThe Wingfeather Saga by Andrew PetersonExodus (The Story of God Bible Commentary) by Christopher J. H. Wright00:00 Welcome to the Learning Laborers Podcast02:57 Introducing Dr. Carmen Joy IMEs and Her Work03:54 The Church's Identity and Mission: Old Testament Insights09:11 The Importance of Waiting and Faithfulness20:12 Practical Ways to Foster a Posture of Waiting in Church26:11 The Role of Worship and Community in Spiritual Growth37:05 The Analogy of Drifting Off Course38:40 The Ark of the Covenant and Its Significance42:36 Jesus and the Reconstitution of Israel49:50 Challenges of Consumerism in the Church50:56 Practical Steps for Church Unity01:00:17 The Global Family of God01:04:47 Lightning Round and Final Thoughts

Does the Law of Moses still matter for Christians today? Does Jesus expect his followers to obey the Torah? In this episode of the Learning Laborers, Taylor and Matt sit down with Dr. Paul Sloan - associate professor of Early Christianity at Houston Christian University - to discuss his new book Jesus and the Law of Moses. Together, they discuss how Jesus' ministry expresses Restoration Eschatology and how his teachings about the Torah neither nullify nor abolish it, but rather fulfill and reinterpret it. Specific topics covered include the Sabbath, the eschatological Jubilee, and the continuing importance of the Mosaic Law today. Buckle up learning laborers!Resources mentioned in this episode:Jesus and the Law of Moses (Sloan)Lamb of the Free (Rillera)Jesus and the Forces of Death (Thiessen)Torah Praxis after 70 CE (Oliver)Matthew Commentary (Davies & Allison)You can check out our website at ⁠LearningLaborers.wordpress.com⁠.If you are interested in supporting our efforts on Patreon, you can sign up to give a small monthly donation at this ⁠link⁠. All proceeds go to episode production costs and promotion of the podcast. 00:00 Introduction to the Learning Laborers Podcast01:19 Introducing Dr. Paul Sloan and His New Book05:04 Deep Dive into Jesus and the Law of Moses08:34 Understanding Israel's Predicament and Restoration14:16 Jesus' Role in Announcing Restoration24:26 The Concept of Jubilee and Its Significance36:05 Jesus' Teachings and Controversies on the Law42:29 Jesus and the Food Laws: A Torah-Affirming Perspective44:23 Ritual Impurity: Understanding Jesus' Teachings47:49 The Cleansing Process: Jesus' Explanation51:14 Peter's Vision and the Cleansing of the Gentiles56:38 Gentiles and the Food Laws: A New Testament Perspective01:02:47 Jesus' Commissioned Work and Sabbath Law01:11:27 Eschatological Nomism: Jesus' Authority and the Law01:16:18 Bridging Scholarship and the Pulpit: Legalism and Torah Observance01:21:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Should we live to work or work to live? How does Jesus want his followers to work? In the new creation, will we finally be done working forever?To kick off season 4, co-hosts Taylor, Denver, and Matt look at the topic of work from a biblical perspective. The discussion explores the idea of work in Genesis and how our vision of work is transformed through the life and teachings of Jesus. They also imagine what work might be like in the new creation, arguing that labor will once again be sacred and fulfilling. Lastly, they discuss how your work can play a role in God's redemptive purposes. Books Mentioned:Work in the Spirit (Miroslav Volf)Every Good Endeavor (Timothy Keller)Garden City (John Mark Comer)Work (Ben Witherington III)You can check out our website at LearningLaborers.wordpress.com.If you are interested in supporting our efforts on Patreon, you can sign up to give a small monthly donation at this link. All proceeds go to episode production costs and promotion of the podcast. 00:00 Introduction to the Learning Laborers Podcast00:09 Meet the Co-Hosts: Denver, Taylor, and Dr. Matt01:18 Matt's Academic Journey and Thesis02:38 A Day in the Life of a Professor07:12 Would You Rather: Bible Professor Edition21:10 The Future of Work and Labor Day Discussion29:58 The Significance of Rest in Creation30:44 Work as a Theme in Genesis and the Torah31:06 The Paradigm of Work in Creation31:25 Technology and Its Ambiguous Role in Work31:49 The Evolution of Wages and Money32:52 The Disconnect from Raw Materials33:24 The Goodness of Work in Genesis34:47 The Impact of the Fall on Work37:14 The Dual Nature of Work: Fulfillment and Frustration41:20 The New Testament Perspective on Work42:01 Jesus as a Worker and His Parables45:20 The Sacredness of All Types of Work56:40 The Role of Spiritual Gifts in Work59:22 Work in the New Creation01:04:59 The Future of Work and Technology01:07:46 Recommended Readings on Theology of Work01:09:15 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this special season finale of The Learning Laborers Podcast, Denver and Taylor dive into a comprehensive recap of Season 3. They discuss their favorite episodes, notable guests, and memorable moments. Additionally, they hint at big plans and announcements for Season 4, including the introduction of a new co-host and upcoming topics focused on biblical scholarship and ministry. 00:00 Scorching Heatwave Discussion01:09 Season Three Recap Begins01:18 Podcast Recording and Trivia03:13 Guest Appearances and Highlights08:41 Alien Talk and Pop Culture10:11 Navigating Political Issues in Congregations11:00 Discussing Resident Aliens and Exiles11:29 Reflecting on Recent Episodes and Season Three12:21 Ministry Transitions and Writing Projects13:17 Exploring Messianism and Second Temple Judaism16:31 Restoration Eschatology and Upcoming Guests18:32 Introducing a New Co-Host for Season Four20:57 Wrapping Up and Looking Forward to Season Four

In this summer episode, Taylor and Denver discuss the central theme of the gospel in the book of 1 Peter. They explore how Peter's testimony about Jesus as the Christ shapes the Christian life, encouraging listeners to embody the gospel through their actions and community. For more on this topic, read Taylor's Substack articles that provide more detail.And Upon This Rock by McKnight & SpauldingBecoming the Gospel by GormanEpisode Chapters:00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview00:46 Reflecting on Past Episodes01:22 Discussing Peter's Significance02:13 Exploring First Peter04:37 Defining the Gospel12:05 Peter's Gospel in Acts19:09 Restoration of Israel and the Role of the Messiah20:21 Peter's Insight: Jesus for All Nations20:55 Peter's Testimony in First Peter24:04 The Gospel as a New Way of Life27:56 Imitating Christ's Suffering and Goodness33:38 The Church's Witness Through Compassion36:06 The Gospel's Political Implications38:02 Living the Gospel in Community42:06 Creative Ways to Embody the Gospel44:33 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this episode, Taylor and Denver dive into a thought-provoking discussion on violence in the Old Testament with Dr. Matthew Lynch. The conversation delves into the implications of violence in scripture, how to put Old Testament violence into dialogue with Jesus’ teachings, and the historical context surrounding the conquest narratives in Joshua. They also discuss practical tips for pastors and educators to approach these tough topics.Dr. Lynch got his PhD from Emory University and he is the Associate Professor of Old Testament at Regent College. He explores all of the ideas from this episode more in-depth in his book Flood and Fury. While he doesn't claim to have simple, easy answers to these difficult questions, he does give readers both information and tools to wrestle with them well. We highly recommend listeners check out the book if they are interested in this topic. But for now, tune in for an enriching blend of scholarship and ministry application!Resource Links:Flood and Fury by Matt LynchFlood and Fury AudiobookThis Strange and Sacred Scripture by Matthew Schlimm00:00 Introduction and Podcast Housekeeping00:48 Welcoming the Co-Host and Listeners01:39 Introducing the Topic: Violence in the Old Testament02:24 Guest Expert: Dr. Matthew Lynch on Old Testament Violence05:31 Deep Dive: Wrestling with Old Testament Violence14:35 Theological Reflections and Pastoral Challenges21:48 Genesis and the Origins of Violence29:23 Practical Advice for Pastors and Teachers36:48 Exploring Tensions in the Book of Joshua37:25 Majority vs. Minority Report in Joshua41:17 Extreme Rhetoric in Scripture46:24 Historical Context of the Conquest47:31 The Conquest and Egyptian Control52:14 Israel's Settlement Patterns53:24 Practical Applications for Modern Readers56:14 Speed Round: Fun and Insightful Questions01:07:30 Wicked Problems and Faith Practices01:12:41 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this episode of Learning Laborers, Taylor and Denver sit down with their fellow classmate Noah Schumacher - a pastor and contributor to the new volume And Upon This Rock, which explores the life of the Apostle Peter. Noah shares his 11-year journey in pastoral ministry, including transformative moments and crises that shaped his vision of success in ministry. He discusses how he found inspiration in Peter's story, particularly through his experiences of failure, restoration, and obedience, and how these insights have redefined his approach to leading a church. Tune in for an enriching conversation on the challenges and rewards of ministry, guided by biblical narratives and personal experience.Purchase the book And Upon This Rock. 00:00 Welcome and Introduction01:34 Noah's Ministry Journey02:59 A Calling to Pastoral Ministry06:45 Challenges and Crisis in Ministry14:11 Finding Resonance with Peter15:41 Peter's Highs and Lows27:49 A Personal Crisis and Revelation32:23 Understanding True Ministry Success33:05 Contrasting Views on Ministry Success33:43 The Embarrassing Truth About Metrics34:46 Faithfulness Over Numbers36:47 Ordination as a Demotion40:24 The Pressure of Financial Stability in Ministry43:30 The Crisis of Church Decline48:09 The Role of Prayer in Ministry50:47 Peter's Restoration and Its Lessons01:01:39 Encouragement for Ministry Laborers

What do you do when someone in your congregation or church community starts to get wrapped up in conspiracy theories?Join us in this episode where we dive into the world of conspiracy theories and their impact on evangelical Christianity. Taylor and Denver engage in a thoughtful conversation with Dr. Jared Stacy, a theologian and ethicist, exploring the challenges and pastoral responses to conspiratorial thinking within the church. Listen in as we discuss the importance of narrative, the role of conversion and revival, and practical ways pastors can address this pressing issue in contemporary ministry.Check out Jared's website here.Read his article on Seen and Unseen here.00:00 Introduction to the Learning Laborers Podcast01:15 Discussing Conspiracy Theories01:24 Favorite Conspiracy Theories07:12 Introducing Dr. Jared Stacy07:51 Jared's Research and Background10:07 Conspiratorial Thinking in Evangelicalism15:57 Pastoral Challenges with Conspiracy Theories21:00 The Role of the Church in Addressing Conspiracies29:13 Evangelicalism and Conspiratorial Thinking39:46 Exploring the Intersection of Christianity and Conspiracy Theories43:07 Theological Claims and Historical Context44:24 Christian Witness and Humble Service48:46 Navigating Conspiracy Theories in Evangelicalism53:56 Pastoral Approaches to Conspiracy Theories01:04:44 The Role of Apocalyptic Moments in Faith01:11:21 Concluding Thoughts and Final Reflections

In this insightful episode of the Learning Laborers podcast, hosts Taylor and Denver sit down with Paul Hoffman, co-author of AI Shepherds and Electric Sheep. They delve into the complex world of artificial intelligence, exploring its impact on ministry, theology, and practical applications in the church. The conversation covers a range of topics including the ethical implications of AI, its role in human flourishing, and how pastors might responsibly integrate AI into their sermon preparation. Tune in for a balanced and thought-provoking discussion that encourages thoughtful engagement with this pervasive technology.00:00 Introduction to the Learning Laborers Podcast01:07 Discussing AI in Ministry02:54 Interview with Paul Hoffman04:20 Paul Hoffman's Background and Journey05:30 The Genesis of AI Shepherds and Electric Sheep08:06 Defining AI and Its Implications11:46 The Pervasiveness and Impact of AI16:55 Benefits and Challenges of AI21:11 Environmental and Ethical Considerations25:52 Biblical Perspective on AI31:19 The Significance of Holy Week32:25 AI's Place in Creation34:14 The Dangers of AI as a Partner37:34 The Temptation of AI Efficiency40:05 The Importance of Human Agency43:39 Hearth Habits and Grounding in Reality47:49 AI in Sermon Preparation56:32 AI in Missionary Work01:00:42 Final Thoughts on AI and Human Flourishing01:04:17 Conclusion and FarewellAI Shepherds and Electric Sheep by Paul Hoffman and Sean O'CallaghanThe Anxious Generation by Jonathan HaidtAtlas of AI by Kate Crawford

In this episode, Taylor and Denver dive deep into the intriguing and puzzling world of Luke 16. The teachings of Jesus in this chapter can seem pretty bizarre on the surface. From the Parable of the Shrewd Manager to the comment about people "forcing their way into" the kingdom to the story of The Rich Man and Lazarus, there's a lot going on in this passage.Denver and Taylor discuss how they would tackle a puzzling text like Luke 16 - including questions they would ask, phrases they would analyze, and resources they would consult. Little by little, they begin to slowly work out how these seemingly unrelated teachings might work together to form a coherent (and convicting) portrait.Can people force their way into the kingdom of God? What does divorce and remarriage have to do with gospel proclamation? How can a dishonest manager who "cooks the books" provide wisdom for how Christians relate to their own wealth? Are we really supposed to buy friends? All these questions and more will be discussed in this new episode of the Learning Laborers.Resources Mentioned in This Episode:Stories with Intent (Klyne Snodgrass)Audience Criticism and the Historical Jesus (Arthur Baird)00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview00:37 Discussing the Presence of the Spirit01:07 Introducing the Passage: Luke 1601:45 The Puzzling Verses: Luke 16:16-1803:02 The Role of Commentaries in Understanding Scripture03:58 Reading and Analyzing Luke 16:16-1807:39 Exploring the Broader Context of Luke09:27 The Relationship Between Law and Gospel23:59 The Connection to John the Baptist28:56 The Parable of the Shrewd Manager36:30 Exploring Cultural Parables39:07 The Shrewd Manager's Wisdom41:43 Hospitality and Friendship in Ancient Times42:37 Jesus' Teachings on Wealth and the Kingdom52:50 The Rich Man and Lazarus57:49 Interpreting Jesus' Parables in Context01:05:34 Applying Biblical Teachings Today01:08:19 Conclusion and Reflections

In this episode, Taylor walks us through the timely topic of taxes. Yep it's that time of year again! But don't worry, no IRS forms to fill out here!Instead, Taylor and Denver discuss Jesus' teachings on taxation in the first century (found in Mark 12 and Matthew 17), and what they show us about Jesus' relationship to earthly kingdoms. Explore how Jesus navigated this tricky political question and what it could mean for modern Christians facing similar political dilemmas.The conversation sheds light on the importance of understanding the broader context of scripture, the distinction between God's kingdom and worldly governments, and the role of the church in embodying kingdom ethics today. Tune in for an insightful discussion that challenges conventional perspectives and offers practical wisdom.Helpful Books:- Ballot and the Bibleby Kaitlyn Schiess- The Bible in Politics by Richard Bauckham- Kingdom Conspiracy by Scot McKnight- Reading Mark by F. Scott Spencer00:00 Welcome Back to Learning Laborers00:37 Discussing Taxes in 202501:06 Jesus' Teachings on Taxes03:50 Setting the Scene: Jesus and Roman Taxation07:08 The Trap: Pharisees and Herodians Question Jesus09:13 Jesus' Savvy Response15:55 Implications of Jesus' Teachings21:11 Exploring the Temple Tax25:47 The Temple Tax Debate27:28 Jesus' Unique Response29:27 Implications of Jesus' Actions32:33 Worldly Kingdoms vs. God's Kingdom35:31 Political Conversations and the Kingdom of God38:09 Jesus' Public Witness and Strategies41:10 The Church as a Political Body43:51 Reflections on American History and Taxation48:10 Concluding Thoughts and Final Remarks

Cannabis and Christians: A Thoughtful Examination In this episode, Taylor and Denver welcome Dr. Todd Miles, a professor of theology at Western Seminary and a pastor, to dive deep into the complexities of marijuana use from a biblical and theological standpoint. With cannabis legalization becoming more widespread, they discuss the importance of understanding the substance both scientifically and scripturally. Dr. Miles shares insights from his book Cannabis and the Christian, addressing the delicate balance between recreational and medicinal marijuana use, and the significant consequences it may have on mental, physical, and moral health. Listeners are encouraged to explore the nuances of this topic as it grows increasingly relevant in pastoral care and everyday discipleship. Books mentioned in the episode: Cannabis and the Christian by Todd Miles The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt A Burning in My Bones by Winn Collier 00:00 Introduction and Greetings 01:06 Discussion on Research and Guest Introduction 02:05 Introducing Today's Topic: Cannabis and Christianity 07:15 Interview with Dr. Todd Miles Begins 07:48 Dr. Miles' Background and Initial Thoughts on Cannabis 12:40 Scientific and Theological Approach to Cannabis 24:12 Short-term and Long-term Effects of THC 32:55 Medical vs. Recreational Use of Cannabis 33:39 The Purpose of THC Use 34:44 Wisdom and Intoxication 38:14 Long-Term Risks of Marijuana 43:05 Addiction and Recovery 46:20 Pastoral Guidance on THC 01:04:19 Broader Implications and Final Thoughts

Merry Christmas to all our Learning Laborers! In this festive episode, Denver and Taylor dive into the fascinating story of the Magi, or wise men, from the East and the significance of the Christmas star in Matthew 2:1-18. The discussion reveals the deep connections between this story and the Old Testament, the role of Gentile inclusion in the Gospel of Matthew, and the social and political subversions inherent in Jesus' birth narrative. Thought is given to the theological and historical contexts surrounding Jesus' birth and how the story shapes our celebration of Christmas today. Resource Links The Star from Afar ICC Commentary, Matthew 1-7 (Davies and Allison) The Infant Massacre - History or Myth (Paul Maier) 00:00 Christmas Greetings and Traditions 03:10 Debunking Nativity Myths 05:44 The Story of the Magi 11:20 Understanding the Magi's Journey 15:08 Herod's Reaction and the Irony in Matthew 25:41 Fulfillment of Old Testament Prophecies 27:44 The Role of the Star and Supernatural Signs 29:33 Historical Questions and Interpretations 32:18 Theological Implications and Modern Reflections 35:11 Gentile Inclusion and the Significance of the Magi 47:43 Political and Social Contexts 53:26 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections Support us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

Join us for a deep dive into the intriguing world of biblical friendship with our guest, James North. In this episode, James shares his journey from pastoral ministry to becoming a Bible teacher at a Christian school. We explore the nature of friendship in the ancient world and how Jesus' declaration of friendship redefined social norms. James also unpacks Paul's use of familial and friendly language, advocating for a deeper, more intentional approach to friendships within the church. Whether you're a pastor seeking connections or someone looking to deepen your biblical understanding, this conversation is sure to inspire and challenge your perspective on what it means to be a true friend in Christ. 00:00 Introduction and SBL Experience 01:14 Balancing Family and Scholarship 01:57 Welcome to the Learning Laborers Podcast 03:48 James' Journey in Ministry 07:01 Planting and Merging Churches 12:11 Transition to Teaching 17:38 Teaching Philosophy and Challenges 21:38 Advanced Bible Studies and Student Engagement 29:31 Reflections on Relational Intelligence in Churches 31:31 The Impact of Vulnerability in Church Relationships 32:56 Pastors and the Struggle with Loneliness 33:14 Biblical Imperatives for Friendship 38:50 Friendship in the Ancient World 42:16 Jesus' Radical Redefinition of Friendship 46:09 Paul's Perspective on Friendship and Conflict 51:19 The Importance of Intentional Friendships 52:56 Friendship in the Kingdom of God 54:11 The Church as Family and Friends 59:16 Restoring the Value of True Friendship 01:01:49 Recommendations for Understanding Friendship

Denver and Taylor chat with Dr. Nadya Williams, a classicist and author with a PhD from Princeton. It is an enlightening discussion on cultural Christianity in the early church. They dive into Nadya's books, Cultural Christians in the Early Church and her latest Mothers, Children, and the Body Politic, exploring how early Christians navigated societal influences and how this can serve as a lesson for church leaders today. They touch on topics like the impact of corporate practices on church structures, the devaluation of motherhood, and the relevance of ancient literature for today's Christian life. Don't miss out on supporting the Learning Laborers through Patreon and delving deeper into the topic with the recommended books! 00:00 Introduction and Banter 00:44 Welcome to the Learning Laborers Podcast 01:35 Discussing the Yankees and Cultural Idols 02:13 Introducing Dr. Nadya Williams 02:47 Overview of Dr. Williams' Work 03:09 Cultural Christianity in the Early Church 04:20 Navigating Cultural Norms Today 10:01 The Importance of Community in Faith 12:58 Lessons from Early Church Leaders 17:03 Identifying and Addressing Cultural Sins 24:13 Cross-Cultural Insights and Pastoral Responsibilities 28:24 Commitment to Local Church 28:32 Urban vs. Rural Church Dynamics 29:52 Should Christians Celebrate Santa Claus? 32:21 Christian Nationalism and Identity 32:55 Nadya's New Book 33:43 Devaluing Motherhood in Modern Society 37:43 Early Christian Pro-Life Practices 41:33 The Role of Family in Christian Life 43:48 Singleness and Christian Flourishing 46:12 The Image of God and Human Value 49:01 Recommended Resources for Understanding Early Christianity 52:15 Closing Thoughts and Farewell

In this episode of the Learning Laborers podcast, Denver and Taylor explore the intersection of biblical scholarship and ministry with Matt Trexler, a campus minister at UCLA working with the Reformed University Fellowship (RUF). Matt shares his journey into college ministry, offering insights into his research on the Sermon on the Mount and its impact on college students. They also discuss the cultural moment of Gen Z, their search for purpose and mentorship, and how churches can effectively engage with this generation. With a mix of humor and depth, Matt highlights the importance of creating authentic spaces for students to explore faith and scripture. Resources mentioned by Matt in this episode: The Sermon on the Mount and Human Flourishing (Pennington) Sermon on the Mount (Levine) The Christ Book (Bruner) The Anxious Generation (Haidt) Meeting Gen Z (White) Generations (Twenge) Seculosity (Zahl) 00:00 Introduction: Aliens and Ministry 01:32 Welcome to Learning Laborers Podcast 02:05 Meet Matt Trexler: Campus Minister 05:43 Matt's Journey to Ministry 09:10 Understanding College Ministry 11:55 Engaging with Gen Z 18:27 The Power of the Beatitudes 24:11 Resources for Obedience: Matthew 6 30:04 Discipleship in a Transient Student Body 33:21 Jesus as Savior and Life Guide 34:48 Addressing Difficult Questions 38:43 The Challenge of Forgiveness 43:10 Engaging with Gen Z in the Church 49:45 The Role of Academic Studies in Ministry 01:01:50 Resource Recommendations for Ministry 01:05:27 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Join Denver and Taylor in a heartfelt and insightful conversation with Andy McQuitty, founder and CEO of Kaleo Collective. They delve into the origins and mission of Kaleo Collective, a network providing support and community for pastors through Zoom cohorts. Andy shares compelling stories from his own 30+ years of pastoral experience and offers wisdom on handling the unique pressures faced by church leaders. If you're a pastor seeking encouragement or simply curious about what it takes to sustain a long-term ministry, this episode promises to be both enlightening and inspiring. Don't miss the curated book recommendations that can prepare you for a marathon of ministry. 00:00 Welcome and Introduction 01:31 Introducing Andy McQuitty and Kaleo Collective 02:58 Denver's Perspective and the Importance of Pastoral Support 05:11 Andy McQuitty's Background and Ministry Journey 14:14 The Birth of Kaleo Collective 17:02 The Vision and Impact of Kaleo Collective 30:58 Challenges Faced by Pastors 31:31 A Story of Support: Sean's Experience 36:32 Personal Soul Care: Steve's Struggle with Anxiety 38:42 Encouragement for Burned-Out Pastors 49:37 The Importance of Lifelong Learning 50:26 Recommended Reads for Pastors 56:50 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast. Books cited/mentioned in this episode: From Strength to Strength by Arthur Brooks Life Without Lack by Dallas Willard Practicing the Way by John Mark Comer

Season 3 kicks off with Denver and Taylor discussing the topic on ministry transitions. Taylor shares about his own ministry transition, where he is leaving the church he grew up in and served on staff for the past decade. Together, Denver and Taylor reflect and creatively interact with the story of Abraham's journey in Genesis 12 to spark conversation about how to faithfully leave a place in order to follow God's call. Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast. Books mentioned/cited in this episode: Covenant & Conversation: Genesis by Jonathan Sacks Genesis by John Goldingay Genesis by James McKeown

In this season two finale, Denver and Taylor reflect on the last 14 episodes and also share about the topics they are currently researching. Denver is studying the Transfiguration of Jesus and its impact on Peter, James, and John. What was the significance of this bizarre experience? And why did Moses and Elijah show up for it? Taylor has been spurred on by our conversation with Spencer Owen to dig even deeper into the concept of atonement.  He briefly discusses the term “atonement” and how it relates to the sacrifices outlined in Leviticus. Where did this English word “at-one-ment” even come from? Write us at [email protected] to let us know what your favorite episode of Season Two was. We also welcome suggestions for future episode topics or guests! Thank you for listening and being a part of this learning journey with us! -- Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast. The Transfiguration of Christ (Patrick Schreiner) This is My Beloved Son (Andreas Andreopoulos) Lamb of the Free (Andrew Rillera)

Continuing our conversation with Spencer Owen, Denver and Taylor discuss the atonement and the implications our theories of atonement have on how we view God, salvation, and our own discipleship to Jesus. Spencer provides several resources if you are interested in hearing more. A Journey through the World of Leviticus by Mark Scarlata Welcoming Gifts by Father Jeremy Davis The Day the Revolution Began by NT Wright Lamb of the Free by Andrew Rillera Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

What is the significance of Jesus' death? What exactly happens on the cross? These and other questions related to Jesus' death and the idea of "atonement" are tackled in this episode. Denver and Taylor have a conversation with Spencer Owen, and the focus is on a close reading of Isaiah 53. We seek to understand how Jesus' death is conceptualized and given significance by the authors of the Bible. This is a two-part episode, so stay tuned for the next episode. Check out our⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

What does trinitarian theology have to do with prayer? How can we inspire our communities of faith to engage in movements of prayer? What does it look like to pray the Scriptures? In this episode, Denver and Taylor have a delightful chat with the passionate Sam McVay. Sam is keen to explore trinitarian theology - not just on a theoretical level, but also as it relates to the nitty-gritty, everyday life of the church, and especially the church’s prayer life. Sam walks us through a variety of subjects, including the relational dynamics of the trinity, the importance of theologically-centered prayer in the life of the Church, the practice of praying the Scriptures, the primary place of the Lord’s Prayer, and ways to help believers get excited about an hour-long prayer meeting! Sam McVay is the founder and president of Disciple Nations, a ministry support network based in Wichita, Kansas which seeks to encourage and equip ministry leaders who engage in prayer and disciple-making initiatives. Be sure to check out the Lord’s Prayer App, along with other resources mentioned in the episode: Delighting in the Trinity (Michael Reeves) Praying Like Monks, Living Like Fools (Tyler Staton) Answering God (Eugene Peterson) Destined for the Throne (Paul Billheimer) Praying the Bible (Donald S. Whitney) Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

Should our eschatology make us fearful or hopeful? Is there any Scriptural evidence for some kind of coming Rapture event? How should we approach the difficult and complex topic of Last Things? In this episode, Taylor and Denver sit down with Dr. Matthew Halstead to talk about his new book, ⁠The End of the World as You Know It: What the Bible Really Says about the End Times (And Why It's Good News)⁠. Matthew is a superb guide into all things eschatological, bringing a wealth of Scriptural knowledge, but also a pastor's heart to approach this conversation with humility and charity. Whatever your particular views on the end times, we think you will really enjoy hearing from Matthew's perspective. Matthew is the Associate Professor of Biblical Studies at Eternity Bible College and also authored ⁠Paul and the Meaning of Scripture⁠. ⁠Surprised by Hope⁠ (N.T. Wright) ⁠Reading Revelation Responsibly⁠ (Michael J. Gorman) ⁠The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism⁠ (Daniel G. Hummel) ⁠The NIV Application Commentary: Revelation⁠ (Craig S. Keener) ⁠Unholy Allegiances⁠ (David A. DeSilva) ⁠Discovering Revelation⁠ (David A. DeSilva) ⁠Apocalypse and Allegiance⁠ (J. Nelson Kraybill) ⁠Tyndale New Testament Commentary: Revelation⁠ (Ian Paul) Check out our ⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

What is the Apocrypha? Why is it included in some Bibles and not in others? Is it safe for an evangelical Protestant to read these “hidden” books?! Denver and Taylor sit down with Matthew McBirth to discuss these questions and others related to the study of Second Temple Jewish literature. Matthew is a Professor of Bible and Ministry at Ozark Christian College in Joplin, Missouri. In this episode, Matthew does a great job explaining why it is so important for students of the Bible to be familiar with works like those found in the Apocrypha, and how this knowledge can enhance their understanding of Scripture within its ancient context. Here are links to the fantastic resources that Matthew and Taylor mentioned towards the end of the episode: Origin of the Bible (Philip W. Comfort, ed.) Introducing the Apocrypha (David DeSilva) David DeSilva YouTube Video The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (James H. Charlesworth, ed.) Discovering Second Temple Literature (Malka Z. Simkovich) Malka Simkovich OnScript Episode Check out our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

Has our traditional, familiar version of the Christmas story distanced us from the Bible's version? Were Mary and Joseph really turned away from inhospitable innkeepers? Did they trek to Bethlehem in the middle of the night? Was Jesus born in a stable? Taylor and Denver dive into Luke 2 as to provide a fresh reading of a familiar (perhaps too familiar) story. Here is a link to an image of a first century Palestinian home. See also chapter one in Jesus Through Middle Eastern Eyes by Kenneth Bailey. Cited Luke Commentaries: Diane Chen, NCC RT France, Teach the Text Mikeal Parsons, Paideia See also this blog post on Luke commentaries from Taylor.

Denver and Taylor interview Lois Tverberg about the Jewishness of Jesus, the importance of understanding Jesus in his Jewish context, and why that matters for how we interact with scripture. If you are interested in learning more, Lois has several books that you can purchase at these links: Sitting at the Feet of Rabbi Jesus Walking in the Dust of Rabbi Jesus Reading the Bible with Rabbi Jesus Also, here are some other resources that are mentioned throughout the podcast episode: Books: Our Father Abraham by Marvin Wilson Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus by David Bivin Jesus the Jewish Theologian by Brad H. Young Websites: Center for Judaic Christian Studies (Dwight A. Pryor) Jerusalem Perspective

What is a graphic Hebrew love song doing in our Bibles? Must the Song of Songs be read as an allegory in order to contribute to our spiritual formation? What wisdom does this ancient poem have for Christians today? In this episode, Taylor interviews Denver about the greatest love song ever written. They discuss the song’s history of interpretation as well as its theological significance and relevance for Christ followers. Denver contends that the song provides a theological defense of the goodness of physical reality and human romance, as well as an important (though often neglected) voice in the current debates within the church regarding gender roles. Resources: Song of Songs (NICOT) by Tremper Longman III Curse-Free Love: The Rich Theology of the Song of Songs by Denver Rhodes Song of Songs (Bible Project Article)

Have you ever wondered what it would be like to pastor missionaries? That's exactly the kind of ministry that Steve Henry engages in every day. Steve has been a pastor, a missionary, a sender of missionaries, and is currently a pastoral coach to missionaries serving overseas. Denver and Taylor ask Steve about this unique ministry calling, as well as the topic of missionary care more generally. Steve describes the biblical basis of missionary care, the primary factors causing missionaries to return from the field, as well as best practices for churches who have a heart to care for their missionaries. Resources: Perspectives on the World Christian Movement (ed. Winter & Hawthorne) Serving as Senders by Neal Pirolo Holding the Rope by Ryan Martin Healthy, Resilient, & Effective in Cross-Cultural Ministry by Laura Mae Gardner To the Golden Shore by Courtney Anderson John G. Paton: Missionary to the New Hebrides by John Paton The Upstream Collective Barnabas International Global Member Care Network

Should we connect passages from Revelation to current events, such as the tragic crisis in Israel-Palestine? How can we cultivate a tov culture within the church? How can pastors stay up-to-date on the state of New Testament scholarship? These and many questions are addressed by Dr. Scot McKnight on this episode of the Learning Laborers. Scot is the Julius R. Mantey Chair of New Testament at Northern Seminary and has written a plethora of books on the New Testament. He has a knack for being able to write books not only for other academics, but also for pastors, ministers, and the church at large. Here are links to some of the many books mentioned throughout the episode: Revelation for the Rest of Us by Scot McKnight A Church Called Tov and Pivot by Scot McKnight Everyday Bible Study Series by Scot McKnight Jesus and the Victory of God by N. T. Wright Judaism by EP Sanders The New Testament and the People of God by N. T. Wright King Jesus Gospel by Scot McKnight A Fellowship of Differents by Scot McKnight Pastor Paul by Scot McKnight

Would aliens bear the image of God? Would they need their own divine incarnation? Would God expect Christians to evangelize alien worlds? In part two of their discussion on extra-terrestrial life, Taylor walks Denver through some helpful theological treatments of this topic by Andrew Davison and Michael Heiser. Taylor makes a thorough case for why the topic of aliens can actually lead us to think more deeply about a variety of theological topics, such as the fall, the incarnation, and the eschaton. Astrobiology and Christian Doctrine⁠ by Andrew Davison ⁠Aliens and Demons⁠ - Documentary by Michael Heiser ⁠The Façade⁠ - Novel by Michael Heiser Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

Would the discovery of extra-terrestrial, intelligent life dismantle our Christian faith? Does the Bible have room for the existence of aliens? How should we as Christ followers approach conversations about aliens and UAP's? In this two-part conversation, Taylor walks Denver through the topic of aliens and Christian theology. In part one, Taylor explains why this bizarre topic has gained so much attention over the past year and he gives some examples of typical Christian responses. Taylor argues that, if handled correctly, pastors can use these conversations to help church members think in new (and yet ancient) ways about Christian theology. Astrobiology and Christian Doctrine by Andrew Davison Aliens and Demons - Documentary by Michael Heiser The Façade - Novel by Michael Heiser Check out our ⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

Are there any situations in which Christians are permitted to use violence? How are Jesus followers supposed to think about military service? Join us as we explore this complex but important topic. The episode begins with Taylor asking Denver about his journey to the position of Christian nonviolence. They are then joined by Leland Stephens, a former US marine and church planter. He shares about his journey to faith, his experience as a Christ follower in the Marine corps, and the discussions he has had over the years with fellow servicemen and seminarians about violence and military service. Leland's perspective is thoughtful, nuanced, and informed by real-world experience. Nonviolence by Preston Sprinkle Caesar and the Lamb by George Kalantzis Postcards from Babylon by Brian Zahnd Check out our ⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

How do hospitality practices play into God's mission for the Church? What does it mean for Christians to be not just good hosts, but also good guests, to those they are trying to reach? In this episode, Taylor interviews Denver about his recent research into missional hospitality. They look at various examples throughout Scripture which show God's sent ones taking on a posture of needfulness upon entering a new community, and how that leads to an outpouring of God's blessing. They discuss Elijah and the Sidonian widow, the incarnation, Jesus and the Samaritan woman, and the instructions of Jesus in Matthew 10. ⁠Saved by Faith and Hospitality by Joshua W. Jipp. The Gospel Comes with a House Key by Rosaria Butterfield. The Christian Imagination by Willie James Jennings Check out our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

Denver and Taylor wrap up the first season. As we take a break for the Summer, be sure to catch up on any episodes that you have missed. See below for how you can enter the book giveaway!* Here is how you can enter the giveaway: Like our page on Facebook Share the Book Giveaway post on our Facebook Bonus entry: share your favorite episode of the season 1 and tag "The Learning Laborers" on Facebook *This giveaway has now ended. Also be sure to follow us on ⁠Spotify⁠ or subscribe on ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠

Denver and Taylor interview Matthew Bates about his newest book: Why the Gospel? Matthew has written extensively on the use of "gospel" in the New Testament, arguing that its meaning is centered on the kingship of Jesus. In this most recent work, Dr. Bates explores the why behind the Gospel - Why did God send Jesus to be our king? Why do we need a human and divine king in the first place? And why does this good news matter for the way that we as Christians actually live our lives? Matthew Bates (Ph.D., University of Notre Dame) is a professor of theology at Quincy University in Quincy, Illinois. His main teaching area is the Bible and early Christian literature. Matthew is also the co-founder of the OnScript podcast, which is a great resource for staying up-to-date on books being published in the fields of theology and biblical studies. Other works by Dr. Bates include Salvation by Allegiance Alone, Gospel Allegiance, and The Gospel Precisely. Check out our website for articles and more resources.

What was going on during the Second Temple Period? And how did that build the social-political context of the first century? Lastly, then, how does this help us read the NT better? In this episode, Denver interviews Taylor about some of his recent research. Taylor is looking at how the first century church navigated their political climate, but in order to evaluate that, we must see the church in its first century context. Beginning from exile, Taylor and Denver summarize Judea through the Persian, Greek, and Hasmonean (Maccabean) eras, all the way to Roman occupation in 63 BC. They then try to draw out some implications for understanding the NT. From the Maccabees to the Mishnah by Shaye Cohen Resident Aliens by Hauerwas and Willimon World Upside Down by Kavin Rowe The World of the NT by Green and McDonald Dictionary of NT Background by Evans and Porter Imperialism and Jewish Society by Seth Schwartz Seven Events that Shaped the NT World by Warren Carter Check out our ⁠website⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podca

Taylor and Denver sit down for a chat with pastor and life-long learner Gary Pauley. In the first part of the episode, Gary shares about his academic research into the historical roots of the social gospel and its relationship to kingdom theology. Gary believes understanding these theological movements can help pastors as they navigate the relationship of politics and the church today. In the second half of the episode, Gary shares about the various ministry roles he has taken on over the years, including his time as a chaplain in a hospital and then later in a maximum security prison. These contexts have greatly influenced the way Gary does theology and ministry today as a pastor at First Baptist Church of Shawnee. Here are links to the resources mentioned throughout the episode: Political Gospel by Patrick Schreiner The Kingdom of Christ by Russell Moore Kingdom Conspiracy by Scot McKnight Check out our ⁠website⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

Denver and Taylor have a fantastic conversation with Renjy Abraham, the Dean of Scholarship at BibleProject. If you do not know about BibleProject, it is a nonprofit, crowdfunded organization that produces 100% free Bible videos, podcasts, blogs, classes, and educational Bible resources to help make the biblical story accessible to everyone everywhere. From page one to the final word, they believe the Bible is a unified story that leads to Jesus. Definitely explore all of their great resources. Renjy shares how he leads the team of scholars that develop content for BibleProject. They employ something they like to call "the paradigm," which highlights the importance of intertextuality in scripture, meditation, and studying in community. Fascinating stuff! Towards the end of the episode, we also discuss some of Renjy's research around a biblical theology of unity and diversity. Check out our ⁠website⁠ for articles and more resources. Support us on ⁠Patreon⁠. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.

Taylor and Denver interview Tommy Preson Phillips, lead pastor and elder of Watermark Church in Tampa, FL. The discussion touches on various topics from ministering to those who are "deconstructing," staying up to date with scholarship, pastoral ministry, etc. But the primary topic of discussion concerns Paul's letter to the Romans. Tommy did his Masters in New Testament with Scot McKnight at Northern Seminary and devoted his studies to the letter to the Romans. You can hear more from Tommy by visiting his blog, and you can listen to his music here.  Here are links to resources mentioned throughout this episode. Reading Romans Backwards by Scot McKnight Romans by Sarah Heaner Lancaster Romans: A Theological and Pastoral Commentary by Michael Gorman Under the Unpredictable Plant by Eugene Peterson You Are What You Love by James K. A. Smith Ever Ancient, Ever New by Winfield Bevins Check out our website for articles and more resources. Support us on Patreon. All funds are used to design, create, host, and advertise the podcast.