The Living Clean Podcast

This week, we’re doing something a little different to keep our Sunday momentum rolling. Since our Service Day episode dropped earlier in the week, Francis and Mason decided to share a live recording from TACNA40 in Texarkana.In this special episode, Mason S. speaks on the topic of Conscious Contact and shares his personal experience with prayer, meditation, surrender, and building a real relationship with a Higher Power in recovery. Through honesty, humor, and practical experience, he explores what it means to stay spiritually connected one day at a time.Whether you’re new in recovery or have been around for years, this message offers encouragement and insight into how conscious contact can move from an idea into a daily practice.Thank you for continuing to grow with us and for being part of The Living Clean Podcast.

Service is where recovery comes alive.In this special Service Day episode of the Living Clean Podcast, we sit down with Lady D., Dee M., Branwyn B., Francis, and Mason to talk about what service really means beyond positions, beyond titles, and beyond obligation.We get into the heart of it: what service has done for us, how it’s kept us clean, and why giving back is one of the most powerful tools we have in recovery. We talk about the impact of sponsorship, carrying the message, showing up when we don’t feel like it, and how service connects us to something bigger than ourselves.In Narcotics Anonymous, we often say: “The heart of NA beats when two addicts share their recovery.” Service is how we keep that heart beating.Happy Service Day.

Francis, David, Travis, and Amanda return with a new set of Be The Change exercises focused on the 12th Step and practicing recovery principles “in all of our affairs.”In this episode, the group reviews how the spirit of welcoming newcomers began to naturally show up in everyday life — at home, at work, in conversations, and in how we respond to challenges outside of meetings. What started as intentional kindness within the fellowship began to overlap into personal lives, reminding us that the message is carried through how we live.Together, we introduce this next series of exercises designed to help us practice being the change in practical ways — applying spiritual principles consistently, not just inside meetings, but wherever we go.This discussion explores:• living the 12th Step through action• how welcoming others changes us• practicing principles beyond the meeting room• carrying the message through example• building consistency between recovery and daily life• simple ways to Be The Change in relationships, responsibilities, and communityThese exercises are intended to support continued growth, deepen awareness, and strengthen the connection between recovery and everyday living.If you are interested in participating in this next set of exercises, reach out to Francis by text.Recovery is not just something we talk about — it becomes something we live.Be The Change — In All of Our Affairs

In this special episode of The Living Clean Podcast, Mason and Francis take a deep dive into one of the most pivotal moments in the history of Narcotics Anonymous literature.The Fourth World Literature Conference, held in Santa Monica, California in April 1981, was part of the intense and passionate effort to create a book written by addicts, for addicts. The work done at these conferences helped shape what would eventually become the NA Basic Text, a cornerstone of recovery for addicts around the world.In the first half of the episode, Mason and Francis break down what led up to the conference, what happened during those historic days in Santa Monica, and why the literature movement inside NA was so important to the fellowship’s growth.In the second half of the episode, we’re joined by Bob S. and Kathy M., two members who were actually present at the conference. They share their personal memories of participating in the literature effort, the atmosphere in the rooms where addicts were shaping recovery literature, and the challenges and excitement of that moment in NA history.Their stories bring the conference to life and provide insight into a time when the fellowship was still young, passionate, and determined to create literature that carried the message of recovery.This episode is part history, part oral archive, and part celebration of the addicts who helped build the foundation of NA literature.If you’re interested in the origins of the Basic Text, the literature conferences, or the early years of NA service, this is an episode you won’t want to miss.

In this episode of The Living Clean Podcast, we continue our journey through Chapter 4 of the Living Clean book as we begin exploring the section on “Disabilities.”We’re joined by a group of special guests who bring real, lived experience to this conversation. Each of them faces different types of disabilities, and together they help us break down the first half of this powerful section.This episode dives into what it really looks like to navigate recovery while also managing physical, emotional, or cognitive challenges. Our guests share honestly about the obstacles they’ve faced—but more importantly, they share the strength, courage, and perseverance it takes to stay clean and keep moving forward.This is a conversation about resilience. About not giving up. About finding hope even when life adds extra layers of difficulty.Because recovery doesn’t require perfect circumstances—it requires willingness, connection, and the courage to keep going.

In this episode of the Living Clean Podcast, I’m joined by Jay L. (Montana) and Chris C. (Yreka, CA) as we sit down with Marc S., who shares a powerful story of addiction, transformation.Marc’s journey takes us deep into the counterculture era, where LSD became a central part of his life and identity. From couch surfing and hitchhiking to living on the streets, Marc found himself immersed in a fast-moving lifestyle shaped by the psychedelic scene and the cultural shifts of the time. What began as experimentation gradually turned into deeper involvement in the drug trade, eventually spanning multiple cities including San Francisco and Los Angeles.At first, the lifestyle seemed exciting and full of freedom. But over time, the consequences of addiction began to surface. Marc describes how the very thing that once felt like connection ultimately led to isolation, instability, and spiritual bankruptcy.Marc eventually found recovery in the early 1980s in Miami, beginning a new way of life grounded in principles, community, and service. His recovery journey carried him across both coasts, where he built friendships with longtime members and individuals connected with the World Service Office, helping shape a foundation of lasting recovery and connection. His story reminds us that no matter how far we go into addiction, there is a way back—and a life beyond what we ever imagined possible.

After sitting in the archive for over a year, we’re finally releasing this conversation with Bo S.Bo was there in the early days. He served as the first World Literature Conference Chair and was one of the members who stepped forward when the question was asked, “Who’s going to write the book?”The answer he got was simple: “Any addict.”And Bo said, “Well, I’m an addict.”He would go on to be one of only two members to attend all seven World Literature Conferences, playing a role in the development of what would become the Basic Text.This episode wasn’t easy to release.When we recorded this, Bo’s health was declining. At times he was sharp and clear, and at other times he struggled with details and timelines. Because of that, we held onto this recording for a long time. We wanted to make sure anything we shared respected both the history and Bo. After going back through the archive and carefully editing this conversation, what remains is something honest and human.This may not be our cleanest episode but it’s real.

From the early days of Narcotics Anonymous in Memphis, Chet P. shares firsthand memories of a time when the Fellowship was still finding its footing in the Mid-South. He recounts going through treatment at the historic Memphis House, attending the Mid-South Regional Service Conference, and taking road trips with Joseph Proctor to help carry the message of recovery wherever addicts were still suffering.But Chet’s story doesn’t end there.Decades later, in his 70s, Chet found himself living a very different reality—homeless on the streets of San Francisco. His journey reflects both the promise and the fragility of recovery, reminding us that addiction is a lifelong illness and that staying connected matters.This episode is not just NA history—it is a powerful reminder that recovery is something we live, one day at a time.Follow Chet’s current journey and outreach work on Instagram:@uplifthumanitysfLiving Clean Podcast — preserving our history, carrying our message, and remembering that every story matters.

This week on the Living Clean Podcast, we dive headfirst into Step Four: “We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.”Our consistent panel returns — Archer, Pete, and Douglas — and we’re joined by two powerful guests, Tim and Dawn, as we break down all things Step Four. We talk about what it really means to be searching. What fearless actually looks like. How to write honestly without drowning in shame. Why resentment, fear, and sex inventories matter. And how this step becomes a turning point in recovery instead of a punishment.This conversation is real. It’s raw. It’s practical. And it might be the strongest episode in our Step series so far.If you’ve ever been intimidated by Step Four… If you’ve ever avoided it… If you’re in the middle of it right now…Do yourself a favor and listen.This is where freedom begins.

In this episode of Francis’s Archive, we follow Brad S. from Jackson, Mississippi as curiosity about his home group, the Foglifters, turns into a deep dive down the NA history rabbit hole. What begins as a simple desire to learn more about the roots of his home group quickly grows into a passion for preserving the stories of how Narcotics Anonymous took hold in Mississippi.Brad doesn’t just listen—he pitches in. Through interviews and conversations with trusted servants who were there in the early days, we begin to piece together a living history of the Mississippi Region. Dennis E. shares his recollections of the beginnings of the Mississippi Region and the spirit of service that helped carry the message in its formative years. Scott P. reflects on what is believed to be the first meeting in Jackson, Mississippi, and possibly the first meeting in the state, offering insight into the courage and commitment it took for NA to take root in a new place.These stories remind us that NA history is not just about dates and events—it is about addicts helping addicts, one meeting at a time. The willingness of members like Brad to ask questions, seek connection, and participate in preserving our shared past helps ensure that the message remains available for the next newcomer who walks through the door.From one home group’s story to the broader development of a region, this episode highlights how our history lives through the members who care enough to learn it, share it, and carry it forward.Welcome to Francis’s Archive.

This week’s episode came together in a way that honestly couldn’t have been planned any better.Francis and I had the opportunity to be together in person at the Texarkana Area Convention in Texarkana, Arkansas, and that alone made this week different. While we were there, we were both involved in different parts of the convention. We did a History of the Basic Text workshop together, I shared on conscious contact, and Francis was scheduled to be the Sunday morning spiritual speaker on the topic “Creative Action of the Spirit.”All of the topics for the convention were pulled directly from Living Clean: The Journey Continues, and as we were talking through what we were going to do for this week’s episode, Francis mentioned he was having a hard time figuring out what he wanted to say on his topic.That’s when the idea hit.Instead of just recording a normal episode, we decided to take advantage of being surrounded by addicts in recovery from all over and do a live, in-person Living Clean study on the section “Creative Action of the Spirit.” We broke it up into its 12 paragraphs and had members from the convention share on different sections.What came out of that was something powerful. You’ll hear different perspectives, different experiences, and real-time insight from people who don’t normally sit in the same rooms together.And then we took it one step further.At the end of this episode, we included Francis’s full Sunday morning message. So what you’re getting is the process and the result. You get to hear the preparation through the study and then hear how that message came to life.This one is special.

n this episode of Be The Change, the team presents the Welcoming the Newcomer workshop based on Traditions Three and Five.Together we explore how the actions of a group shape the atmosphere of recovery and how every member plays a role in creating a space where newcomers feel safe enough to stay.Through discussion, reflection, and role-play examples, we talk about what it really means to carry the message—not the addict.This episode reminds us that Tradition Three keeps the door open and Tradition Five keeps the message clear.

n this episode of the Living Clean Podcast, we continue our book study of Living Clean: The Journey Continues, focusing on the final six paragraphs of the “Illness” section in Chapter 4.Illness can challenge our recovery in ways we never expected. Physical suffering, fear of the future, and difficult choices can test the spiritual principles we rely on every day. In this conversation, we explore how the tools of recovery help us navigate those moments when life becomes uncertain and painful.We discuss the importance of reaching out—calling a sponsor, leaning on our support group, and turning to the wisdom found in NA literature such as In Times of Illness. These tools help us make decisions we can live with and take the next right action, even in the middle of crisis.The episode also explores the spiritual tension many of us feel when illness strikes. We talk about bargaining with God, expectations in prayer, and the powerful shift that happens when we move from demanding outcomes to practicing surrender. Recovery teaches us that our Higher Power is not a vending machine, and that acceptance of life on life’s terms often opens the door to gratitude—even when gratitude feels hardest to find.We also examine the deeply personal nature of health decisions. Recovery does not give us a single model for how to live, and each of us must find our own balance between caring for ourselves and avoiding the self-destructive patterns of our past. Through honest reflection, inventory, and surrender, we learn how to live according to our values rather than our fears.Ultimately, this section reminds us that recovery is not about perfection. It is about continually returning to the tools of the program, refining our balance between health and illness, action and acceptance, and learning how to live a life that aligns with our beliefs.Freedom in recovery means something powerful: we get to live life according to our own choosing and design.

Gratitude is one of the spiritual principles that transforms our recovery and changes the way we experience life. In this special episode of the Living Clean Podcast, My Gratitude Speaks, we hear a chorus of voices from members of Narcotics Anonymous sharing what gratitude means to them today.Inspired in part by the spirit of the Newcomer Montage and the Original Gratitude Exercises, this episode brings together reflections from addicts in recovery who have found a new way to live. Each voice represents a different journey, but the message is the same: recovery has given us more than we ever imagined possible.Members share about the simple and profound things they are grateful for today—freedom from active addiction, connection with others, the gift of service, the power of the Steps, and the ability to live one day at a time. What emerges is a collective expression of hope and appreciation that reflects the heart of our fellowship.Gratitude reminds us where we came from, keeps us grounded in the present, and points us toward the future. When we share it, it multiplies.Sit back and listen as addicts from across the fellowship let their gratitude speak.Because in Narcotics Anonymous, we don’t recover alone.

n this episode of DM’ing the Pamphlets, Mason from the Living Clean Podcast sits down with Douglas from the Anonymous Podcast to take a deep dive into IP #2 – The Group.The group is often described as the heart of recovery. It’s where addicts find connection, accountability, and a place where the message of recovery can be carried addict to addict. But what actually makes a group work? What is the purpose of a group beyond just holding meetings? And what responsibility do members have in protecting the unity and integrity of their home group?Douglas and Mason walk through the pamphlet line by line, discussing the principles behind healthy groups, the importance of participation and service, and how groups function as the foundation of the fellowship. They also explore practical topics like home groups, group conscience, unity, and the role each member plays in keeping the doors open for the next addict who walks in.Along the way, the conversation blends literature, personal experience, and a bit of real talk about what happens when groups thrive—and when they struggle.Whether you’re new to recovery or have been around meetings for years, this episode offers insight into why the group matters and how each of us contributes to keeping the message alive.DM’ing the Pamphlets is a series where we explore recovery literature one pamphlet at a time—breaking it down, discussing its meaning, and connecting it to real recovery.

After nearly five years of persistence, Francis finally tracks down Keith S., and in this special episode, both Mason and Francis sit down with him for a rare and powerful conversation about early Narcotics Anonymous history and service.Keith was deeply involved in the Ohio fellowship during the early 1980s and attended both the 1982 and 1983 World Service Conferences. He shares firsthand insight into that pivotal era, including the moment he made the motion for Bob Stone to become office manager — a decision that had a lasting impact on NA’s service structure and communication. He also reflects on his experience at the Fifth World Literature Conference in Warren and what the fellowship felt like during one of its most challenging and formative periods.Mason and Francis explore Keith’s memories of Jim M., discussions around Greg P., and the realities of navigating unity, growth, and difficult transitions within the fellowship at that time. Alongside the history, Keith opens up about his personal recovery journey and what it was like to stay clean and committed to service while NA itself was still evolving.This episode is a rare blend of fellowship history, personal experience, and deep service perspective — an honest, insightful conversation that captures the spirit, struggles, and resilience of NA during a defining chapter in its development.

Living Clean Podcast – Francis’s ArchivesEpisode Title: Texarkana Roots: Carrying the Message ForwardAs Mason and Francis prepare to attend the Texarkana Area Convention (March 20–22), we felt it was only fitting to pause and honor the local history that made this convention — and this fellowship — possible.With the help of our friends Steven and David, Francis sits down with long-time members Russell, Carlotta, and Billy Mac to capture the story of Narcotics Anonymous in Texarkana. Together, they recount the early days of the fellowship in the area, the growth of the Texarkana Area Convention, and the powerful legacy of Terry S., the addict who helped bring NA to Texarkana.This episode is more than a history lesson — it’s a reminder of how one addict, carrying the message, can change an entire community. Through laughter, gratitude, and honest reflection, our guests share how NA took root, survived, and continues to thrive in Texarkana today.This is Francis’s Archives — preserving the voices, stories, and spiritual DNA of Narcotics Anonymous, one conversation at a time.

In this episode of The Living Clean Podcast, Mason and Francis sit down with returning panel members Archer, Pete, and Douglas, along with two special guests, Jay and Mindy, for a powerful and honest conversation about Step 3: “We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.”This discussion goes far beyond the words on the page. The group explores what it really means to make a decision in recovery. They talk about control, ego, fear, and the deep-rooted habit of trying to run the show. Jay and Mindy bring vulnerability and fresh perspective as they share how Step 3 shifted their understanding of trust and changed the way they respond to life’s chaos. The panel wrestles with the tension between surrender and responsibility, discussing how turning it over is not passive resignation but an active daily choice to let go of self-will.Together, the conversation moves from theory to lived experience. What does it look like when we actually stop fighting everything? How do we trust something greater than ourselves without fully understanding it? And how does this step move us from belief into action? As always, the heart of recovery beats when addicts share honestly with one another, and this episode captures that spirit in a real and practical way.

In this episode of Living Clean, Francis is joined once again by David, Amanda, and Travis—and this time we’re welcoming new voices to the table: EJ, Jenna, and Brittany.Together, we take an in-depth look at the Be The Change exercises, moving beyond the page and into real life. We talk about what it looks like to practice these principles in our personal recovery, our relationships, and in Narcotics Anonymous service. This conversation explores how simple exercises can become living actions—how we carry the message, welcome the newcomer, and apply spiritual principles not just in meetings, but wherever we go.Recovery doesn’t stop at understanding—it comes alive when we practice. This episode is about doing the work, living the program, and truly being the change.

Living Clean Book Study — Page 101: Illness (Living Clean: The Journey Continues)On this episode of the Living Clean Podcast, Mason and Francis are joined by Jay, Jess, JW, Gregory, Dave, and Barb as we study page 101 from Living Clean: The Journey Continues and break down the section on Illness, one paragraph at a time.This reading speaks to a reality many people in recovery face but don’t always talk about openly: life doesn’t stop happening just because we’re clean. Physical health issues, mental health struggles, and the long-term consequences of our past can show up in recovery and sometimes feel overwhelming. Together, the panel discusses how recovery tools help us cope with illness without falling into blame, resentment, or avoidance.We explore the human tendency to search for explanations when we suffer, and how that can easily turn into judgment toward ourselves, others, or even a Higher Power. Instead of getting stuck in “why,” the conversation shifts toward perspective, acceptance, and learning how to just get through the day when life feels heavy.This episode also takes an honest look at denial versus refusal, fear of treatment, stigma around illness, and the difference between truly turning something over and simply ignoring reality. The discussion connects illness to responsibility, self-care, ongoing step work, and making living amends to our bodies and our lives in recovery.A grounded, practical Living Clean study focused on page 101 and the principle of living life on life’s terms — using recovery tools to face illness with honesty, action, and acceptance rather than fear or avoidance.

In this episode, Mason and Francis sit down with comedian Mark L., a performer known for bringing humor into recovery spaces and treatment settings across the world.While respecting the spiritual principle of anonymity, this conversation focuses on experience, strength, and hope — not identity. Mark shares about his past, the role humor played in his recovery, and how laughter can help us talk about the things we once hid, denied, or ran from.This is an honest discussion about addiction, recovery, perspective, and the power of being able to laugh without minimizing the seriousness of the journey.If we can laugh about it, we can talk about it. And when we can talk about it, we don’t have to go through it alone.

After being invited onto the Living Clean Podcast, I started listening back through the early episodes. Toward the end of many of them, Mason or Travis would often ask a simple but powerful question:“Do you have something you’d like to say to the newcomer?”This episode is a montage of those answers from the first year of the podcast.The question wasn’t asked at the end of every episode—but it came up often enough to leave a trail of wisdom, honesty, hope, and lived experience. What you’ll hear are short snippets of voices, shared in chronological order, speaking directly to the person who matters most in Narcotics Anonymous: the newcomer.Putting this together reminded me of the magic of this program. The newcomer keeps us grateful. The newcomer reminds us that recovery is not something we graduate from—it’s something we live, one day at a time. This life we’ve been given is a precious gift.Whether you’re brand new, coming back, or have some time in recovery, we hope this episode speaks to you right where you are.Thank you for listening.We’ll be back next week.You can expect Year Two and Year Three of the Newcomer Montage in future episodes.Welcome home. 💙

Atlanta has played a vital role in the growth and development of Narcotics Anonymous throughout the Southern United States.In this Living Clean Podcast episode, we sit down with members currently serving on the committee writing The History of Narcotics Anonymous in Atlanta, along with several founding members of the Atlanta Fellowship. Together, we explore the early days of NA in Atlanta — how the first meetings formed, how the fellowship grew, and how addicts carried the message at a time when resources were scarce and recovery was still finding its footing.This conversation captures the lived experience behind the history: the challenges, the service work, the unity, and the dedication that helped shape NA in Atlanta and influenced the broader Southern fellowship. These are stories of commitment, perseverance, and belief in a simple message — that any addict can stop using, lose the desire to use, and find a new way to live.Whether you’re interested in NA history, service, or the roots of recovery in the South, this episode offers a meaningful look at how Atlanta became one of the building blocks of Narcotics Anonymous.

In this special episode of the Living Clean Podcast, Mason, Francis, and good friend of the podcast Ron H. guide a heartfelt conversation with the two individuals behind the powerful story “A Tale of Two Key Tags.” What started as a small, spontaneous moment involving a suitcase and a recovery key tag turned into a deeply meaningful experience that would eventually connect two recovering addicts across the country.One author reflects on being in a difficult emotional space during an overnight airport shift when he impulsively placed a key tag on a stranger’s luggage. Meanwhile, on the other side of the country, the suitcase’s owner was navigating grief, exhaustion, and the emotional weight of arranging hospice care for a loved one when he unexpectedly discovered that same key tag after returning home. What followed was a moment that served as a profound reminder that recovery is present even in life’s hardest seasons.Together, Mason, Francis, and Ron H. help unpack the emotional depth behind the story, exploring themes of service, connection, grief in recovery, and the quiet ways the fellowship shows up when we least expect it. The discussion goes beyond the written piece and dives into the human experience behind it — what it felt like in the moment, how the story unfolded afterward, and what it still means today years later.This episode is a conversation about more than a suitcase and a key tag. It is about unity, unseen connection, and the powerful reminder that none of us are as alone as we sometimes feel.

n this special episode, we pause to remember and honor the life of Mary Banner, a beloved member of the Fellowship of Narcotics Anonymous whose impact was felt far and wide.With Mason unavailable for this recording, his sister Staci graciously stepped in as host—and did a beautiful job guiding a large and heartfelt panel of friends who came together to share memories, gratitude, and love for Mary. What unfolded was a powerful collective remembrance filled with laughter, tears, and deep appreciation.Mary was a long-time member of Narcotics Anonymous in Texas, a trusted servant to the Fellowship, and a former NA World Services (NAWS) Board member. She was known for her dedication, her service, and—most of all—her heart. Mary showed up, carried the message, and lived the principles of Narcotics Anonymous in a way that touched countless lives.This episode is a celebration of a life well lived in recovery and a reminder of how one addict, committed to service and love, can leave a lasting imprint on our Fellowship.Thank you, Mary, for your service, your example, and your legacy. You are remembered. 💙

Wild Recovery is more than just a group — it’s a recovery experience built around movement, nature, and shared adventure. In this episode, we sit down with several members of Wild Recovery to talk about what it’s been like to live clean while hiking trails, pushing limits, and reconnecting with themselves, others, and the world around them. They share how challenge, discomfort, and community have become powerful tools in their recovery, and why this outdoor-based approach has resonated with people who may not have found their place in more traditional spaces. This is an honest conversation about growth, freedom, and discovering new ways to experience recovery. We’re excited to share this unique experience with you.

Last year, Francis traveled to the North Alabama Convention—home of Bill Brooks, a founding member of Narcotics Anonymous in Alabama and the author of the powerful Basic Text story “If You Want What We Have.”While there, Francis went beyond the convention floor. He visited Bill Brooks’ home, paid his respects at his gravesite, and had a meaningful phone conversation with Bill’s widow, Bettie, who shared personal reflections on Bill’s life, service, and legacy in Narcotics Anonymous.Francis also attended Open Minds and Miracles, the NA meeting Bill Brooks started in 1978—a living piece of NA history that continues to carry the message today.This episode also marks a milestone: Francis’s first time presenting on an author whose story appears in the Basic Text. Upon returning to the North Alabama Convention, he was invited to present on Bill Brooks, honoring both the man and the message behind one of NA’s most enduring stories.This is a heartfelt episode about history, humility, service, and the living legacy of recovery—reminding us that what was freely given to us is meant to be passed on.

Mason and Francis are back with a reflection on their experience at Out of the Darkness Into the Light 28, held February 4–9, 2026 at the DoubleTree Hotel in Decatur, Alabama. In this episode, they share their personal takeaways from the convention, the fellowship, and the spirit of recovery that filled the event.Francis offers his perspective coming from Northern California to the South for the second time, comparing and contrasting this year’s experience with his first visit. Mason reflects on what it meant to serve as Chair of the convention—an honor that carried both responsibility and deep gratitude—and how that role shaped his experience of the week.Beyond the convention itself, they also dive into what’s been happening in their lives outside of NA, and how those experiences intersect with the themes of the event. It’s an honest, heartfelt, and uplifting conversation about service, connection, and recovery in action.We hope you enjoy listening as much as they enjoyed sharing it.

For this second episode in our 12-month journey through the 12 Steps, we dive into Step Two: "We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity." Our panel regulars—Douglas, Archer, and Pete—are joined by Bronwyn and Dan. Together, we explore what "coming to believe" means, how sanity is restored, and how this step builds the foundation for hope in recovery. Join us as we unpack the belief in something greater!

In August of 2025, Francis and Mason traveled to Tupelo, Mississippi for a Narcotics Anonymous convention—and what turned out to be a meaningful milestone for the Living Clean Podcast.This was our first time presenting Narcotics Anonymous history at a convention, and while we did run out of time for our full PowerPoint presentation, it was a powerful and encouraging test run. We were warmly welcomed, supported, and reminded just how hungry our fellowship is for its history.Francis was also asked to serve as the Sunday morning speaker, an experience that carried a beautiful irony. Coming from Northern California, he found himself speaking at a Grateful Dead–themed convention—not Elvis-themed, even though Tupelo is famously the birthplace of Elvis Presley. That theme opened the door for Francis to share honestly about his own experience with addiction, the Grateful Dead culture, and how recovery eventually found him after that chapter of his life.Whenever Francis visits a new place in Narcotics Anonymous, he makes a point to explore the local NA history—and Tupelo did not disappoint. This episode includes an interview with Billy Y., a longtime member who was present at the very first Narcotics Anonymous meeting in Tupelo. His firsthand account offers a rare and valuable glimpse into how NA took root in this community.Beyond the interview, Francis also went on a local NA history adventure with J.W., visiting several former meeting locations—including the very first spot where the Tupelo group met: an old beauty salon, where members famously sat in the dryer chairs during meetings. It’s a reminder that NA has always grown wherever addicts were willing to gather, no matter how humble the setting.We hope you enjoy this episode, the stories, the laughter, and the deep sense of connection that comes from remembering where we came from.Thanks for listening—and thank you for helping us keep NA history alive.God loves you, and so do we. 💙

“In this special bonus episode titled ‘The Storm,’ Mason and Francis share raw, personal reflections. Mason recounts how a literal ice storm disrupted his recovery, while Francis opens up about a difficult separation. Together, they explore how life’s storms—both literal and emotional—can challenge recovery, and what it means to weather them.”

In Episode Two of DM’ing the Pamphlets, Douglas and Mason sit down with one of the most foundational pieces of Narcotics Anonymous literature: “Who, What, How, and Why.”This pamphlet answers the core questions so many of us had when we first showed up — Who is an addict? What is NA? Why are we here? And how does this actually work? Together, we slow it down and talk through the language, the principles, and the lived experience behind the words.We explore what NA says about addiction as a disease, the idea of complete abstinence, the role of honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness, and why one addict helping another remains at the heart of recovery. We also touch on the Steps, the Traditions, and how these principles show up in real life — not just on paper.We’re not gurus or experts. We’re simply sharing our experience and perspective, and we’re genuinely interested in yours. This is a conversation, not a lecture — and we’d love to hear what this pamphlet has meant to you.

45th anniversary of the Third World Literature Conference of Narcotics Anonymous — held in Memphis, Tennessee in 1981 — the gathering that brought the NA Basic Text into being.In this special episode, we’re joined by Doug W., Linda M., George R., and Gene L., members who were there and helped carry the responsibility of finishing the book so that addicts they would never meet could find recovery.Rather than reading minutes or timelines, this conversation explores the human side of that work: the pressure, disagreements, unity, spiritual grounding, and trust required to bring the Basic Text to life. This is a story about service, surrender, and what can happen when addicts come together for something bigger than themselves.We are the book — and together we will always have the book.

Welcome back to Francis’s Archives, a special solo series within the Living Clean Podcast where history, personal stories, and reflections come together to honor the voices that helped shape recovery as we know it today.This week, we remember Bill Brooks — a foundational member in the growth of Narcotics Anonymous in Alabama whose influence continues to be felt by generations of recovering addicts. Bill has a personal story in the back of the Basic Text titled “If You Want What We Have,” and many members recognize the powerful opening line that begins, “My name is Bill, and I’m a junkie and a juicer.” — a simple yet unforgettable introduction that has resonated with countless people over the years.Through shared memories, historical context, and heartfelt reflection, this episode highlights the humility, service, and compassion Bill carried into every room. We’ll also touch on excerpts from his story that capture the spirit of openness, love, and the life-changing impact of walking into an NA meeting for the first time.This episode isn’t only about looking back — it’s about recognizing the people who helped build the path we walk today and continuing to carry the message forward. The heart of recovery beats strongest when we remember those who came before us and honor their legacy through action.

In this episode of the Living Clean Podcast, we sit down with the author of “Just Say Yes,” a powerful personal story from Life on Life’s Terms written more than 20 years ago.Raised in a traditional Sikh family, our guest shares his journey from a double life of addiction and professional success to recovery through Narcotics Anonymous. We talk sponsorship, willingness, prayer before belief, service, and what it means to trust the process over time.This conversation bridges early recovery and life today, offering an honest look at how spiritual principles continue to guide growth, relationships, and change—one day at a time.

Be the Change 2 | Francis’s ArchivesWelcome back to Francis’s Archives, the midweek bonus series from the Living Clean Podcast, where Francis continues to step outside the usual format to explore recovery through reflection, history, and lived experience.In Part 2 of “Be the Change,” Francis returns to the exercise that began with a spontaneous lobby conversation at the Volunteer Regional Convention in Memphis, Tennessee. What started as a single moment of honesty has continued to unfold into something deeper — a closer look at responsibility, personal ownership, and what it actually means to live the message we talk about.This episode moves beyond the idea itself and into application. What does it look like to be the change in our relationships, our service, our fellowships, and our everyday choices? Where do we get stuck? Where do we resist? And what happens when we stop waiting for others to move first?Raw, thoughtful, and intentional, this installment continues the conversation — not with answers, but with direction. Less theory. More practice. More recovery in action.More content. More connection. More recovery.

This week on the Living Clean Podcast, we sit down with Bella A and Craig R to revisit an article they wrote for the NA Way Magazine back in 1999, where they boldly tried to predict the future of Narcotics Anonymous. Together, we reflect on which of those predictions came true, which expectations were exceeded, and where reality took a different turn than anyone imagined.The conversation also explores how NA has evolved in reaching the newcomer, including changes in public relations and communication, and how the message continues to find addicts in new and unexpected ways. We close the episode by looking ahead once again, asking what Narcotics Anonymous might look like in the year 2050.A thoughtful, reflective, and forward-looking episode that bridges NA’s past, present, and future.

Francis’s Archives — Episode: Steve M. In this episode of Francis’s Archives, Francis sits down with Steve M., a name that quietly appears in the early history of recovery—and a voice with a story worth hearing.Steve was present during the formative conference years and is listed among those who helped shape the early fellowship landscape. What began as simple curiosity—tracking down a name from conference records—turned into a deeper discovery: Steve was the musician referenced in Gina H.’s story, No Excuse for Loneliness.Steve shares openly about his early involvement, the tension he experienced around language and messaging, and how encounters with influential figures like Joseph Proctor and Scooby ultimately pushed him toward Alcoholics Anonymous. It’s an honest look at how tone, expectations, and rigid ideas can unintentionally alienate people who are simply trying to find a way to stay clean.This conversation isn’t about taking sides—it’s about understanding history, honoring experience, and reflecting on how recovery spaces evolve. Steve’s story reminds us that language matters, humility matters, and sometimes the path we take isn’t the one we expected—but it still saves our lives.

This week on The Living Clean Podcast, we wrap up the Wellness and Health section from the Living Clean book study series. We continue right where we left off, finishing the remainder of this powerful chapter and exploring how wellness, balance, and self-care evolve as we grow in recovery.We’re joined by Kevin, Holly, Steve, Denise, Karen, and Brian as we dig deeper into these principles — discussing our experiences, what health looks like today, and the ongoing effort to take care of ourselves in recovery.Thanks for following along with this series. We hope you enjoy the conversation and take something meaningful back to your own recovery journey.

In this Thursday Throwback episode, we revisit a powerful piece from the Paradise Strong book study, remembering Gina H. and her story, “No Excuse for Loneliness.” Gina was an artist and musician from Nashville, Tennessee, who helped start the very first meetings there and played a role in the writing of the Basic Text.This episode is part remembrance, part reflection — honoring Gina’s creativity, service, and the impact she had on the fellowship and on those of us who were lucky enough to know her work and her spirit.I hope you enjoy this look back and take something meaningful from Gina’s story, just as I continue to do.

Step One is where recovery begins.In this episode of The Living Clean Podcast, we start a 12-month journey through the Twelve Steps by talking honestly about Step One:“We admitted we were powerless over our addiction, that our lives had become unmanageable.”This panel discussion explores what powerlessness and unmanageability actually looked like in our lives, how denial and rationalization kept us stuck, and what surrender finally felt like. We share personal experience around addiction as a disease, hitting bottom, reservations, and the spiritual principles that bring hope.This episode is not a replacement for working the steps. We encourage addicts to attend meetings and work the Twelve Steps with a sponsor. We don’t speak for NA as a whole — we’re simply sharing our experience, strength, and hope.Step One gave us hope. This is where the journey begins.

Welcome to the first episode of DM’ing the Pamphlets, a collaborative series between The Living Clean Podcast and The Anonymous Podcast.In this series, Douglas and Mason sit down to break down the Information Pamphlets (IPs) of Narcotics Anonymous and bring some attention to literature that often sits on the rack unnoticed.In Episode One, Douglas and Mason take Another Look at IP #5, slowing it down, unpacking the message, and talking about what it really says — and how it applies to real life and real recovery.We’re not gurus or experts. We’re just sharing our experience and perspective, and we’re genuinely interested in your take — reach out and let us know your thoughts.

Welcome to Francis’s Archives, a new midweek bonus series from the Living Clean Podcast.In this space, Francis steps outside the usual format to experiment — sharing solo reflections, recovery exercises, personal stories, history, and ideas that don’t always fit into a standard episode. Think of this series as the notebook, the voice memo, the late-night conversation — raw, thoughtful, and intentional.Our hope is simple: more content, more connection, more recovery.This week, Francis introduces the “Be the Change” exercise — an idea that came to life during a spontaneous conversation in the lobby at the Volunteer Regional Convention in Memphis, Tennessee. What started as one honest exchange turned into a powerful reflection on responsibility, action, and living recovery out loud.Now you get to hear where that conversation led.

This week on The Living Clean Podcast, we’re honored to welcome Betül B. from Istanbul, Turkey. Betül shares pieces of her personal recovery story — a journey of courage, transformation, and finding freedom through Narcotics Anonymous. She also takes us inside the history of NA in Turkey: how the fellowship first took root, the challenges of growth in a predominantly non-English-speaking community, and the incredible strides being made to bring recovery to those seeking a new way to live.From cultural barriers to breakthroughs in service, Betül offers an inspiring look at what it really means for NA to be a global fellowship. Recovery is alive and well in Turkey — and her message reminds us that the solutions we find in NA transcend borders, languages, and backgrounds.Tune in, be inspired, and help us carry the message worldwide.

In this special holiday episode of the Living Clean Podcast, Francis and Mason hop on the mic in a spontaneous moment to connect with our listeners during the holiday season.The holidays can bring a mix of gratitude, joy, stress, loneliness, reflection, and everything in between — especially for people in recovery. Rather than offering a polished or scripted episode, we simply wanted to show up, check in, and remind you that you’re not alone.We talk honestly about staying grounded, managing expectations, leaning into connection, and keeping recovery at the center during a season that can feel heavy for many.Whether you’re celebrating, grieving, struggling, or simply getting through the day — this episode is our way of reaching out and saying: we’re glad you’re here.Thanks for being part of this community, and for walking this path with us.

In this week’s episode of the Living Clean Podcast, we’re thrilled to welcome our good friend Gogs T. from Namibia. Gogs shares his personal story, his involvement with the African Zonal Forum, and the incredible work he’s doing to support fellowship development across Southern Africa. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about how the message of recovery is spreading and growing in new ways.

In this week's episode of The Living Clean Podcast, we're sitting down with Charles K., who’s been a part of the recovery community since 1978. Charles shares his fascinating experiences from the literature conferences of the late '70s and early '80s—moments that helped shape the very literature many of us rely on today.Along the way, we dive into Charles's personal journey, his reflections on the evolution of newer recovery texts, and just have an all-around great conversation that you won't want to miss. Join us as we explore a bit of the past, the present, and the enduring wisdom of someone who’s seen it all.

In this episode of the Living Clean Podcast, we sit down with our longtime friend Ron H. to break down the 2026 Conference Agenda Report (CAR) and help NA members truly understand how the World Service Conference process works. Ron brings deep experience from his time on the World Board, working with NA World Services, and reporting on conference business for years. We start by explaining what the CAR is and why it’s the vehicle NA uses to conduct fellowship business at the world level. Then we walk through how input from home groups flows up through areas and regions to the World Service Conference, so members know how their voices can make a difference. We go through each of the motions in the 2026 CAR, talk about issue discussion topics (IDTs), and explain the surveys — what they’re for, how the information is used, and how you can participate. We wrap up with practical guidance on how you can get involved at every level of service: home group, area, region, workshops, and more. Whether you’re new to NA or have been in the rooms for a long time, this episode will help you understand how the process works and how your voice matters.Full CAR link we’re discussing: https://na.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/2026-CAR-11-12-25.pdf

In this special episode, we have the privilege of chatting with Chuck G., Jack B., and Phil P., three individuals who were absolutely instrumental in the development of Narcotics Anonymous from the 1970s and 80s right up to today. We dive into their experiences in service, their relationship with Jimmy K., and a whole range of fascinating NA history and insights. Tune in to hear these stories that connect the past to our present recovery journey!

This week on The Living Clean Podcast, we’re diving back into our Living Clean book study. We’re on page 97, exploring the first six paragraphs of the Wellness and Health section.We’re joined by Marta, Terry, Teresa, MJ, Danial, and Abby as we unpack this chapter together—breaking down the ideas, sharing personal experience, and exploring how wellness, balance, and daily practice show up in our recovery today.If you’re following along with the Living Clean book or just love hearing real people connect recovery principles to real life, you won’t want to miss this conversation.