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The Rule of Law: The Academy Speaks
by International Academy of Trial Lawyers
Welcome to the official podcast of the International Academy of Trial Lawyers. Each week, Academy President Joe Tucker sits down with some of the world’s foremost trial lawyers and champions of justice to explore the most pressing issues facing the legal profession and the Rule of Law.
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Take Action: National Law Day 2026
Season 4 of The Rule of Law: The Academy Speaks kicks off with the Academy’s President-Elect, Craig Peters, and retired Federal Judge Philip Pro, of Keep Our Republic’s Article III Coalition, discussing National Law Day. In this episode, they explore what Law Day means, why it matters, how each of us can honor it through action, and why defending the Rule of Law feels more urgent now than ever. Keep Our Republic’s Article III Coalition is a bipartisan group of more than 50 retired federal judges appointed by presidents of both parties, dedicated to defending judicial independence, the rule of law, and the separation of powers. Through civic education and public engagement, the Article III Coalition helps the public understand the judiciary’s essential role in preserving our constitutional republic. Learn more at keepourrepublic.org.
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How to Uphold the Rule of Law: Part Two
In part two of this special episode, Joe Tucker talks with Michael Coard about his leadership with the Avenging the Ancestors Coalition and the ongoing fight for truthful representation of American history in Philadelphia. That fight has reached the highest levels of government and reflects a larger national struggle over memory, truth, and who gets to define the American story. Michael shares why this work matters, why historical truth must be defended, and why justice demands that America be faced as it is, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Learn more about The Avenging the Ancestors Coalition.
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How to Uphold the Rule of Law: Part One
In this special two-part episode, Joe Tucker sits down with fellow lawyer and Philadelphia-based activist Michael Coard to discuss his deep commitment to the Rule of Law, in the courtroom and in his community. Called “the angriest Black man in America,” Michael shares the stories behind some of his most challenging and personal cases, and explains why he believes it is his duty to confront injustice, speak hard truths, and keep fighting.
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Protecting Judges & Judicial Independence (part 2)
In this episode, Joe Tucker continues his conversation with Judges Kathleen O’Malley and Liam O’Grady of Keep Our Republic’s Article III Coalition. The discussion examines the safeguards of the Rule of Law, including the obligation of judges to set aside personal beliefs and to carefully examine the actions of the Department of Justice. In unprecedented times, the path forward is a return to precedent, with lawyers and judges working together to guide the way. Keep Our Republic’s Article III Coalition is a bipartisan group of more than 50 retired federal judges appointed by presidents of both parties, dedicated to defending judicial independence, the rule of law, and the separation of powers. Through civic education and public engagement, the Article III Coalition helps the public understand the judiciary’s essential role in preserving our constitutional republic. Learn more at keepourrepublic.org.
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Protecting Judges and Judicial Independence (Part 1)
In this episode, Joe speaks with retired federal judges Kathleen O’Malley and Liam O’Grady of Keep Our Republic’s Article III Coalition about judicial independence and its essential role in upholding the Rule of Law during periods of heightened political pressure. They discuss due process, public trust in the courts, and the implications of recent criticism directed at the Supreme Court for decisions grounded in established legal principles. Keep Our Republic’s Article III Coalition is a bipartisan group of more than 50 retired federal judges appointed by presidents of both parties, dedicated to defending judicial independence, the rule of law, and the separation of powers. Through civic education and public engagement, the Article III Coalition helps the public understand the judiciary’s essential role in preserving our constitutional republic. Learn more at keepourrepublic.org.
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Listen Again: Justice and the Internet: Facts First
The news cycle moves fast. Opinions move even faster. Revisit this conversation with Joe Tucker and Anne Bremner on how viral narratives shape public judgment before a trial begins, how open and broadcast court proceedings ground the public in the evidence, and why justice depends on facts first.
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What Democracy Depends On: Part 2
In Part Two, Joe Tucker and Keep Our Republic Article III Coalition judges Robert B. Kugler and Robert Cindrich examine the tangible economic and social damage that follows when the Rule of Law is disregarded. From strained business relationships and financial uncertainty to real harm in people's daily lives, they warn that without the assurance of fair, consistent laws, the consequences can be disastrous. They close by underscoring the essential role of juries and everyday civic participation, reminding listeners that the Rule of Law ultimately depends not only on courts and judges, but on citizens who show up, serve, and take part in democracy. Keep Our Republic's Article III Coalition is a bipartisan group of more than 50 retired federal judges appointed by presidents of both parties, dedicated to defending judicial independence, the rule of law, and the separation of powers. Through civic education and public engagement, the Article III Coalition helps the public understand the judiciary's essential role in preserving our constitutional republic. Learn more at keepourrepublic.org.
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What Democracy Depends On: Part 1
In Part One of this special two-part conversation, Joe Tucker speaks with retired federal judges Robert B. Kugler and Robert Cindrich about the work of Keep Our Republic and its mission to protect American democracy. They explore how an independent judiciary underpins the Rule of Law and why efforts to intimidate and impeach judges are increasingly threatening constitutional governance. Drawing on their years on the federal bench and their civic education work, Judges Kugler and Cindrich explain what is at stake when judicial legitimacy is undermined, how these attacks erode public trust, and why young lawyers play a critical role in defending the Rule of Law and the system they are inheriting. Keep Our Republic's Article III Coalition is a bipartisan group of more than 50 retired federal judges appointed by presidents of both parties, dedicated to defending judicial independence, the rule of law, and the separation of powers. Through civic education and public engagement, the Article III Coalition helps the public understand the judiciary's essential role in preserving our constitutional republic. Learn more at keepourrepublic.org.
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On The Record: Minneapolis & The Rule of Law
In this special episode, Joe speaks with Alicia Granse of ACLU-Minnesota and Kyle Wislocky of Ciresi Conlin about what they are seeing in Minneapolis, on the streets and in the courts. They discuss how community members are exercising their rights, documenting ICE activity, and standing up for their neighbors, then break down Tincher v. Noem and related cases surrounding violations of the First and Fourth Amendments. To learn more visit: ACLU-MN
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On The Record: Red Flags & Greenland
In this special episode, Joe sits down with Paul Le Vay of Stockwoods LLP in Toronto and Paul Sreenan in Dublin to examine recent U.S. rhetoric around Greenland, sovereignty, truth, and power. They explore how the Trump administration's claims about Greenland are received abroad. Many see it as another test of NATO, the European Union, and long-standing alliances. They also assess what global leaders think it means for diplomacy and stability. The result is a timely, measured conversation about decorum, responsibility, and the role lawyers play when the Rule of Law is tested publicly.
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Venezuela On Record, Part 2: Reporting Under Threat
Part 2 of this special episode features Randy Smith, President of the Alfred Friendly Press Partners, and investigative journalist Patricia Marcano, who was forced to flee Venezuela after threats for reporting on the Maduro regime. Together, they unpack what's being reported, what may be missing, and why discerning listeners should seek out credible, independent sources. Additional Resources: Alfred Friendly Press Partners Committee to Protect Journalists News from the Region Armando Info Tal Cual Efecto Cocuyo
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Venezuela On The Record, Part 1: Law on Paper, Power in Practice
Part one of this special two-part episode brings together esteemed trial lawyers, Joe Tucker, Brian Gover, and Stan Garnett for a clear-eyed look at Venezuela’s crisis and what it signals for the Rule of Law. They unpack how the international community and the legal profession are reading this moment, what is at stake when legal norms become optional. Additional Resources: Alfred Friendly Press Partners Committee to Protect Journalists News from the Region Armando Info Tal Cual Efecto Cocuyo
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Listen Again: One Lawyer, One Action. Sparking a Movement.
Are you looking for ways to make a difference in 2026? Revisit this episode with Joe Tucker and President of the Arizona State Bar, Ted Schmidt. The pair discuss how small acts, like speaking in a classroom or organizing a local event, can spark broader civic engagement.
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Listen Again: Optimism and its Role in Preserving Democracy
Tis the season! Revisit this episode with Craig Peters, Partner at Altair Law in San Francisco. The conversation centers on optimism and its essential role in preserving democracy. Enjoy stories of three mentors who, despite overwhelming odds, held onto optimism as they worked to create lasting change.
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The Rule of Law is Under Attack. Now What?
In the Season 2 finale, Joe Tucker and Kate Shaw, Professor of Law at UPenn Carey Law, confront the state of the Rule of Law in an era of selective prosecution, retaliation against critics, and concealment from the courts. They assess the Supreme Court’s response, measure the damage already done, and underscore the urgent role lawyers must play now to defend meaningful justice.
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The Difference Makers: How Lawyers Can Mitigate Burnout & Mental Health Issues
In this episode, Joe sits down with attorney and licensed psychotherapist Erica Grigg for a candid look at the strains of the legal profession, from long hours to traumatic cases to mounting political pressure. They make the case for mental wellness alongside ethics and effectiveness, and share practical ways attorneys can support colleagues and themselves.
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Democracy: A Worthwhile Work In Progress (Part 2)
In part two, Joe concludes his conversation with Antoinette Collignon on the Rule of Law and how U.S. leadership is seen abroad. Collignon notes Europe’s growing concern with the United States: some fear its commitment to democracy is only lip service, while others are alarmed by signs of alignment with Russia. She stresses the need for unity, respect, and strong alliances. Europe offers examples through the European Court of Human Rights, the European Union, and the closeness of history at its doorstep. Her message is clear: democracy survives only when allies stand together.
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Democracy: A Worthwhile Work In Progress (Part 1)
In part one, Joe is joined by Antoinette Collignon, who offers a European perspective on democracy and the Rule of Law. She reflects on the European Court of Human Rights’ rulings in Ukraine and the Netherlands v. Russia and the downing of Flight MH17, marking an important victory for the families of those killed. Antoinette also shares her own family’s World War II survival story, underscoring why history, accountability, and vigilance remain essential to protecting human rights.
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Justice and the Internet: Facts First
Joe sits down with lawyer and author Anne Bremner to examine how justice is shaped in an era of social media, 24/7 news, and viral narratives. Anne explains why jurors and the public often form opinions before trials begin, drawing on cases from Amanda Knox to Rebecca Zahau. She argues that while the public wants to be part of the conversation, lawyers have a responsibility to keep facts clear, accessible, and unbiased. The discussion makes the case for transparency, fact-based communication, and open access—so opinions are grounded in reality rather than distortion.
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Democracy 2025: Does it Pass the Smell Test?
In this episode, Joe sits down with former Senator Jon Tester—author, co-host of the podcast Grounded, and a working Montana farmer—to take stock of the Rule of Law today. They examine how Congress is failing both the nation and the law, and flag troubling shifts in U.S. alliances. Together they ask: Where are we now? The conversation explores why transparency and accountability must be strengthened to protect the future of democracy. Tester also weighs in on America’s misunderstanding of tariffs and policy, and the empty promises and blatant lies coming from the current administration. Listen to Jon Tester on the Grounded Podcast.
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Power, False Transparency & The Path to Justice: Part 4
In Part Four, Joe concludes his conversation with attorney Brad Edwards, who spent more than twenty years fighting to hold Jeffrey Epstein accountable while Epstein and his team worked tirelessly to cover up his crimes. Brad highlights how government agencies lied, violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, and enabled the cover-up to persist. He makes clear why survivors—and the American public—must demand transparency and honesty from the Department of Justice, and why anything less is a betrayal of justice.
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Power, False Transparency & The Path to Justice: Part 3
In Part Three, Joe is joined by attorneys Jack Scarola and Brad Edwards. They recount how Epstein’s decision to sue Brad proved a tactical error that turned the tables. Jack and Brad reflect on their shared battles in court, the resilience of the survivors, and what it takes to stand up against power, intimidation, and systematic cover-ups. They also share their views on the DOJ, explaining why its actions don’t pass the smell test and amount to a disservice to survivors and to the Rule of Law itself.
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Power, False Transparency & The Path to Justice: Part 2
In Part Two, Joe continues his conversation with attorney Jack Scarola, who spent decades working to hold Jeffrey Epstein accountable. They examine Epstein’s legal tactics, the arrogance that convinced him he was above the law, and the ways he manipulated the courts to intimidate others. Scarola reflects on his representation of Brad Edwards and how their case became a turning point in the Epstein saga, and he shares his perspective on the so-called “interrogation” of Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Power, False Transparency & The Path to Justice: Part 1
Joe sits down with attorney Jack Scarola, who spent decades working to hold Jeffrey Epstein accountable, to discuss how the case masked secrecy as transparency—through intimidation tactics, a hidden “sweetheart deal,” and Justice Department cover-ups. Scarola argues true accountability requires releasing prosecution memos, deposition transcripts, and testimony from Alex Acosta—because survivors deserve more than distractions.
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The Epstein Files: Season Two Drops Monday September 8
Season 2 of The Rule of Law: The Academy Speaks kicks off with exclusive conversations with the lawyers who spent decades working to hold Jeffrey Epstein accountable. Host Joe Tucker explores the fight to expose Epstein and his accomplices—and the ongoing pursuit of justice for his victims. Subscribe now to get each new episode delivered straight to your favorite podcast platform: IATL_RuleofLaw
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It's Personal: A Lawyer's Calling, Courage, and Duty to Help Others
In the final episode of season one, Joe sits down with Charla Aldous from Aldous Law in Dallas, Texas, for a powerful and personal conversation. They discuss her courage in the courtroom, the power of pro bono work, and the life experiences that inspire her to stand up for vulnerable clients—even when the odds are against her. For Charla, helping others isn't optional; it's a duty that comes with holding a law license. This episode is about doing what's right, even when it's hard.
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From Her Story to Theirs: Empowering the Lawyers of Tomorrow
In this episode, Joe speaks with Kalpana Srinivasan about how being the daughter of immigrants shaped her path in the legal profession. She reflects on the role that transparency, opportunity, and trust played in her own progress. Kalpana shares how these values guide her in empowering young lawyers to take on meaningful responsibility early in their careers. Together, they discuss how this approach helps the next generation believe in the profession, embrace its possibilities, and pursue both professional excellence and personal fulfillment.
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The U.S. Constitution: Pro Democracy or Division?
This week, Joe sits down with Stan Garnett, Co-Founding Partner with Garnett, Powell, Maximon, Barlow & Farbes, to explore a provocative question: Is the U.S. Constitution truly democratic, or does it deepen the divisions in American life? Stan argues that while the Constitution is foundational, it often fuels partisanship rather than unity and compromise. We examine how its structure influences our political climate and what lessons we can draw from Latin American legal systems that have adopted a different approach.
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Disinformation is Driving the Rule of Law Crisis
This week, Joe sits down with Karen Burgess of Burgess Law in Austin, Texas, to discuss how disinformation is fueling the global Rule of Law crisis. Together, they examine the increasing influence of state actors in driving disinformation campaigns, the rise of deepfakes and AI-generated content, and how social media algorithms are accelerating the dissemination of false narratives that erode trust in courts, elections, and democratic institutions.
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Lawyers Changing Lives: Justice for Survivors of Sex Trafficking
WARNING: This episode contains sensitive content related to child sex trafficking and abuse. Some listeners may find this material distressing. In this week’s episode, Joe speaks with attorney Nadeem Bezar about the legal fight to hold enablers of child sex trafficking accountable. In just over a year, Nadeem’s team secured more than $100 million in arbitration awards and settlements. They explore why language matters, how reframing victims as survivors can empower healing, and what lawyers can do right now by volunteering at expungement clinics to help survivors move forward. If you or someone you know needs help, contact the National Human Trafficking Hotline at 1-888-373-7888.
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Whose America? Myths, Fears, and the Fight for Immigrant Justice
This week, Joe sits down with immigration attorney and advocate Kate Lincoln-Goldfinch. Kate is the owner and CEO of Lincoln-Goldfinch Law and a founding board member of VECINA, one of the Academy’s valued partners. Kate brings two decades of frontline experience to the conversation, from representing a detained infant in a prison-issued onesie to challenging today’s attacks on due process. Listen in as Joe and Kate debunk the myths driving anti-immigrant rhetoric and shed light on the real human cost behind the headlines.
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Partners in Pursuit of Justice: Driving Change Through Collaboration
In this week's episode, Joe is joined by Roman Silberfeld from Robins Kaplan LLP for a conversation about the power of partnership in the pursuit of justice. Together, they examine Powers v. McDonough, a landmark case in which Roman and his firm, working with Public Counsel and Inner City Law Center, successfully challenged the Department of Veterans Affairs after years of institutional neglect. The episode also explores Roman’s leadership within the Academy Foundation and the critical role that collaboration with under-resourced organizations plays in advancing meaningful, systemic change. For more information on the Academy Foundation, visit IATL.net.
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What's Goin' On: Navigating Legal Chaos
In this week’s episode, Joe sits down with Yale legal scholar, journalist, and bestselling author Emily Bazelon. Together, they dive into the legal turmoil unfolding across the country—from attacks on higher education and healthcare to threats to due process and the evolving role of the Supreme Court. Bazelon offers sharp analysis, historical context, and—perhaps most importantly—reasons for hope for those committed to defending justice. For more insights from Emily, listen and subscribe to her podcast, Political Gabfest.
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Speaking Truth to Power: Journalists in Exile
Academy President Joe Tucker sits down with Randy Smith, Director of the Journalists in Exile Program and Board President of the Alfred Friendly Press Partners. They discuss why journalism is essential to holding power accountable and protecting democracy — and how Academy Fellows, through their teaching in the Journalists in Exile Program, are helping exiled reporters stand up to oppression and continue telling the truth on a global stage. Audio for this episode was recorded in studio at the University of Missouri School of Journalism.
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One Lawyer, One Action: Sparking a Movement
This week, Joe sits down with Ted Schmidt, the President of the Arizona State Bar, to discuss how small acts—such as speaking in a classroom or organizing a local event—can spark broader civic engagement. Ted shares what he has done to help lawyers promote the Rule of Law without stepping into political controversy.
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Due Process: Lessons from Guantanamo Bay
This week, Joe and "Texas Legal Legend" Dicky Grigg discuss the abuse of immigrants and asylum seekers in the U.S. under the current administration. Grigg reflects on his pro bono work defending people who were wrongfully detained in Guantanamo Bay, the damage those actions inflicted on due process and America’s global reputation, and the striking similarities to what we’re witnessing today. This important conversation challenges us to consider how we can prevent a full-blown constitutional crisis.
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Optimism and its Role in Preserving Democracy
In this episode, Joe sits down with Craig Peters, Partner at Altair Law in San Francisco, to revisit the powerful Dean’s Address he delivered at the International Academy of Trial Lawyers 2025 Annual Meeting. The conversation centers on optimism and its essential role in preserving democracy. Craig shares stories of three mentors who, despite overwhelming odds, held onto optimism as they worked to create lasting change. Additional Resources: Watch Craig's Dean's Address, Democracy Depends on Each of Us on IATL.net
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The Future of Politics: Courage and Common Ground
This week, Joe and Senator Doug Jones speak about the future of American politics and the role that courage and common ground must play in preserving our democracy. As a former U.S. Senator and longtime attorney, Jones offers a unique perspective on gerrymandering, the inner workings of government, and the critical importance of an independent judiciary in times of division.
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DE&I and the Fight for Justice
In this episode, Joe speaks with Doris Cheng of Walkup, Melodia, Kelly & Schoenberger in San Francisco about the growing backlash against diversity, equity, and inclusion. For both Doris and Joe, it’s a deeply personal and professional issue. Together, they unpack what’s fueling the pushback—and how we can make sense of the chaos while holding onto hope.
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Gun Violence: "The New Cancer" (part 2)
Michael Haggard of The Haggard Law Firm and Josh Koskoff of Koskoff Koskoff & Bieder, PC, join Joe Tucker for part two of a powerful conversation on the epidemic of gun violence sweeping the nation. Recently named one of TIME’s 100 Most Influential People of 2025, Koskoff shares how his groundbreaking legal strategy secured a $73 million settlement for the families of Sandy Hook victims — a landmark victory that is now reshaping how gun manufacturers are held accountable in mass shooting cases.
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Gun Violence: "The New Cancer" (part 1)
In part one of this episode, Joe speaks with Michael Haggard, Managing Partner of The Haggard Law Firm, about his work representing victims and families affected by gun violence in the U.S. They discuss the heartbreak of this ongoing crisis, and what hope the law can offer to those working to rebuild their lives.
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Neighbors In Law: When Politics Threaten Principles
In this episode, Joe connects with Brian Gover and Paul Le Vay of Stockwoods LLP in Toronto to discuss rising U.S.-Canada tensions. They explore cross-border solidarity, the role of legal leadership, and how lawyers on both sides can defend shared principles when politics put pressure on the Rule of Law.
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Speaking Truth to Power: What to Do When Lawyers Become Targets
In this premiere episode of The Rule of Law: The Academy Speaks, Academy President Joe Tucker sits down with renowned trial lawyers Cliff Edwards and Kathy Patrick to explore what happens when lawyers themselves become targets—by political leaders, powerful interests, and institutional forces. Together, they reflect on courage, duty, and the vital role trial lawyers play in defending democracy and the Rule of Law. (This episode was recorded on Saturday March 29, 2025).
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Welcome to the official podcast of the International Academy of Trial Lawyers. Each week, Academy President Joe Tucker sits down with some of the world’s foremost trial lawyers and champions of justice to explore the most pressing issues facing the legal profession and the Rule of Law.
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