The Thinking Voice

Jenevora is talking with Maurice Goodwin about our interactions with clients, and how we can do less and achieve more. They talk about the place of silence for reflection and consolidation. There is consideration of what student-led learning might really look like, and the place for the teacher’s expertise in a process which may look more autonomous for the student.

In this episode, your hosts talk through Stephen and Jenevora's new paper, The Guarded Larynx. This paper was published in the Journal of Voice (2025) and discusses the concept and phenomena involved in 'guarding'. If you are interested in learning more, why not join Stephen and Jenevora for their short course, aimed at clinicians and teachers at the link below:https://voicecarecentre.co.uk/guarded-larynx/

This fascinating and funny chat emerged from an absence of a question. Stephen, Robert and Jenevora explore the idea of the conundrums we face through linking the body, voice (and some ways) spirit, too. 

Jenevora and Robert are joined by Anita Morrison to talk about Feldenkrais training, lessons, philosophy, and practice. It’s not easy to describe a feeling and somatic learning experience in words, a bit like describing the taste of a mango. They did a wonderful job nonetheless.Please come and join Robert, Anita and Jenevora on November the 8th and/or 9th in London to explore your own feelings about the Feldenkrais experience:  https://vocalhealth.co.uk/conversation-robert-sussuma/

What about when things go wrong?This conversation happened several months ago but has only finished being edited.Jenevora, Robert and Stephen talk about the difficulty that we come across when things don't go well. Stephen tells a story about shower drains, Robert talks about disagreeableness leading to change and Jenevora shares insights from the studio.This episode is full of laughter and fun and will take you on a philosophical journey to failure... 

In this episode, Stephen interviews the legendary voice teacher Robert Price. Stephen and Robert talk about Robert's time in the circus as a metal clown, dropping out of law school and travelling the world teaching vocal massage. They also discuss the future of relational vocal massage and establish it -perhaps- as a method of Body Psychotherapy. Celebrating the launch of their co-authored book, The Handbook of Vocal Massage: A Relational Approach, this is a whirlwind episode best listened to in full. For details on how to purchase the book, visithttps://www.newvoicepublishing.co.uk/books/

Join our hosts as they take us through their thoughts on breaking free. As you’ll hear, the conversation develops into whether we break free from, or break free in to new habits, behaviours and spaces.This episode is a precursor to the breaking free conference listed below. Booking through the vocalhealth.co.uk website.Breaking FreeOne-Day Vocal Health Education Conference9th March, 2025Friends House, 173-177 Euston Rd., London NW1 2BJBreath Support: Breaking Free From One-Size-Fits-All Breath TrainingBreath training has been considered an important component of voice pedagogy for hundreds of years. But what is breath support and does it vary by style, volume, or location in the range? In her keynote speech, Ms. Obert will share what she learned at the intersection of respiratory medicine and otolaryngology during her years of working in a busy voice disorders clinic. She will make the case for teaching singers to work with a variety of breath strategies and teach three of them to the audience during the session.Timbre Shaping: Embracing the “villains” of the vocal tract!The pharyngeal constrictors and tongue are often portrayed as villains, but their role in shaping timbre is vital and frequently misunderstood. In this lecture, Ms. Obert will share her pioneering research into how these structures can be used to enhance high frequency energy to empower singers to create the sounds they want to make.

In our latest episode of The Thinking Voice Podcast Stephen King interviews Carles Expósito Rovira.Carles is a performing arts physiotherapist specialising in the artistic voice. When one brilliant vocal manual therapist (Stephen King) interviews another you know you are going to be in for a magical conversation! Stephen and Carles discuss his ongoing Phd research into the tongue and the all-important role of proprioception in training voice users to make meaningful change.  Carles is also  the chair of AMPAE (the Spanish Association of Performing Arts Medicine) and a board member of ENPPA (European Network of Physiotherapists in Performing Arts). He teaches at the Conservatory of Music of the Balearic Islands and the University of the Balearic Islands and his is research focuses on proprioception in the artistic voice.

Stephen and Jenevora are chatting about the process of collaboration. What happens when we look at something with different eyes and skills and backgrounds. They talk about the difference between diagnosis and description, and how often a description becomes misinterpreted as a diagnosis. Specifically the conversation relates to the forthcoming course with Kerrie Obert SLP, who is spending three days with Singing Teachers and Speech Therapists. They will be scoping each other, learning about endoscopic evaluation and vocal function. Details are here: https://www.vocalhealth.co.uk/kerrie-obert-london/

What is a safe space? How can we respect another person’s autonomy whilst opening up possibilities for change? Does learning always need a challenge to our sense of safety, or do we need the safety in order to learn? Robert, Stephen and Jenevora discuss boundaries, ethics and the nature of learning in this episode of Thinking Voice.

As ever, the three hosts chat about how this most interesting topic of 'imposter syndrome' matters for singers and voice users. Robert Sussuma talks about how we might come to learn to be an imposter in Facebook groups or forums, Stephen King talks about how The Wizard of Oz is a perfect example of imposter syndrome and Dr Jenevora Williams begins a discussion around the frequency of the imposter feelings.

CONTENT WARNINGIn this episode, we discuss things related to trauma. Whilst we don't give any clear examples or case studies it is worth noting that we define trauma and talk around the subject.In this conversation, your hosts Dr Jenevora Williams, Robert Sussuma and Stephen King discuss the way in which psychological and vocal trauma precipitate. There are definitions, revised definitions and even the DSM-5 makes an appearance! Education, rehabilitation after rehabilitation and vocal learning are all discussed in this interesting and thought provoking episode. Stephen's latest paper "Grieving a Previous Voice" is also outlined and discussed within the framework of grief and moving on.

Our three hosts, Stephen King, Robert Sussuma and Dr Jenevora Williams explore the what they might have said to their younger selves. This is an intimate conversation that pulls apart the past, present and future, as well as exploring what it means to “do the hard yards” in your career.

Acupuncture has been used and documented to help voice and throat problems since the Book of the Yellow Emperor in 180BCE. In this ancient tome, there is mention of “Plum Stone Throat” or as we would say, Globus Pharyngeous. Caroline Van Looy, a Masters level Speech Therapist from Belgium joins Stephen King as they discuss the inclusion of Acupuncture in their voice therapy work. Join the up coming Acupuncture for Voice training in July 2024 here: https://www.vocalhealth.co.uk/medical-acupuncture-voice-swallowing/

In this weeks, episode of the Thinking Voice podcast, Robert, Jenevora and Stephen discuss the complexities of gatekeeping and the lengths we go to to keep our education, titles and information truly representable. This episode also discusses the intricacy of ‘the journey’, be it to our studio, to work, to learn or heal.

Dr Jenevora Williams is in conversation with Maurice Goodwin SLP. There is much talk about ‘staying in your lane’ as a clinician or practitioner. What does this mean? Who makes the decisions? What happens if you wander over the line? If we are comparing the regulations in the US with those in the UK, is there really much of a difference, and what are the real practical necessities for us to remain ethically within our scope of practice?

In this episode, Stephen interviews Chris Johnson. Chris Johnson's performance career began in a casual choir, but then the joy (and, sometimes the fear) of stepping out in-front of hundreds of people got addictive. So addictive that it made him develop his own performance which led Chris into the professional world of singing for twelve years; years through which he learned a lot about himself as a performer. Vocal coaching was inevitably born from that, embarking on a mission to help others avoid having to get a ‘real’ job. Through his coaching work, he's pleased to say that major label artists, West End leads, backing vocalists, singer/songwriters and vocal coach all put their trust in him to take good care of their instruments. Chris also thoroughly enjoys the work he does with his teacher training company, TeachVoice.com, helping singing teachers all over the world to up-skill and navigate the overwhelming amount of pedagogical options. In complement to coaching, Chris has trained in laryngeal manual therapies, somatic work, and studied extensively with researchers in vocal acoustics. Through his popular podcast and blog, The Naked Vocalist, he has also had the opportunity to connect and share with many progressive voice researchers and pedagogues.

Join our hosts for the “Love Conversation”, where they explore how we might begin to love our voices, and the processes involved in becoming a vocalist. As ever, Dr Jenevora Williams, Robert Sussuma and Stephen King move around the realms of philosophy, music, pedagogy and psychology in order to better flesh out the theories presented in the present.

Join our hosts Dr Jenevora Williams, Stephen King and Robert Sussuma on an exploration of Reflux. In this episode you’ll hear about the details of Stephen’s latest research paper, the somatic world of Robert and Jenevora’s clinical observations. Of course, the biopsychosocial model makes a timely appearance, as well as an unexpected intruder into Jenevora’s studio (listen to the blooper at the end!)

The “Tremor Conversation” sees our hosts take you on a whirlwind adventure through coffee snobbery, inevitability, vibrato, orgasms (yes you read that right!) and more! As ever, Dr Jenevora Williams, Robert Sussuma and Stephen King bring an illuminated perspective on what it is to teach, and work with voices.

A fascinating and heart-warming insight into working inclusively in the teaching studio. Join Jenevora and Miriam Allan as they discuss neurodiversities, teaching and learning. Miriam describes ways of working with the student to create a safe place; using play, innovation, imagination and creativity.

Jenevora and Nic talk about the spoken voice, how we can be authentic in our intention - with voiceovers, broadcasts and podcasts. The conversation moved through identity (who we would like to be), judgement (what others may think of us) and primarily about liberation (a big philosophical one that had us both thinking). Nic’s book ‘On the Mic’ is out now.

In this episode of The Thinking Voice Podcast, hosts Robert Sussuma, Stephen King, and Dr. Jenevora Williams dive into the world of voice pedagogy and explore the concept of running courses in groups. The trio starts by discussing Berne’s Group Theory, which is a theoretical framework for understanding human relationships and communication patterns in groups. They delve into the benefits of group learning, including the creation of a supportive community and the opportunity to learn from others.Robert, Stephen, and Jenevora also discuss the unique challenges of teaching voice in a group setting, including the need to tailor the course to the diverse needs and abilities of each student. They also touch on the importance of creating a safe and inclusive learning environment, where students feel comfortable sharing their thoughts and ideas.Throughout the episode, the trio shares their experiences and insights into the world of voice pedagogy, offering practical tips and advice for anyone considering running a voice course in a group setting. Whether you’re a seasoned voice teacher or just starting out, this episode of The Thinking Voice Podcast is sure to provide valuable insights and inspiration.

In this episode, we dive into the world of vocal pedagogy and explore the latest advancements and our thoughts around timeless techniques. In this episode, our three experts in the field – Robert Sussuma, Dr. Jenevora Williams, and Stephen King  engage in a lively discussion on the topic of ‘The Current Advances vs. Age Old Shiz.’ Are we trapped in trying to reinvent the wheel in vocal training, or are there still new and innovative things to be discovered? Join us as we explore this thought-provoking topic and gain insights from the fields of neuroscience, therapy, pedagogy and somatic learning

3 Years or 3 sessions? This topic sees our hosts explore what value we might give from short to long term work with a client. Stephen takes us through the Person Centred core conditions and a theory he has been thinking about in regards to voice issues. Jenevora argues in favour of the boundaries with an agreed time limit, Robert is in for the long haul with wanting to start a slow learning movement.

A very cold Stephen King (wearing 4 layers and a blanket) and Walt Fritz, PT sat down to talk about their upcoming Masterclass in London, and what it means to be an evidence based, shared decision maker in manual therapy on the coldest day of the year.Walt’s two day class can be found here:https://www.vocalhealth.co.uk/foundations-in-manual-therapy/McParlin, Z., Cerritelli, F., Friston, K. J., & Esteves, J. E. (2022). Therapeutic Alliance as Active Inference: The Role of Therapeutic Touch and Synchrony. Frontiers in psychology, 13, 783694. https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.783694

This interview between Stephen and Lydia explores healthcare systems, supervision and seeing the person, not the bed number in our shared therapeutic practise. Lydia Hart is a specialist Speech and Language Therapist, working in the field of Voice and Upper Airway. She works with people experiencing difficulties with their speaking or singing voice, or other throat symptoms. Lydia is known for being vibrant, caring and sensitive, taking time to hold a holistic space for clients to explore and improve their symptoms. Lydia is also a singer, and voice therapist – which ultimately means working with a person, not a diagnosis – is a true vocation for her.Alongside her work at Voice Care Centre, Lydia works for the NHS including the Joint Voice Clinic at Wexham Park Hospital, with leading laryngologist Declan Costello. This involves assessment and management of a range of voice disorders, from muscle tension dysphonia to vocal cord paralysis, and her clinical expertise is constantly expanding.Lydia is dedicated to developing her knowledge and experience in fields outside of Speech and Language Therapy, in order to provide truly holistic, biopsychosocial care. She is currently undertaking a Diploma in Hypnotherapy with Chrysalis Courses, and has trained in manual therapy with Stephen King and most recently Walt Fritz. She is experienced in breath work, including training in Buteyko Breathing Method, and is also undertaking training in Reiki.Lydia incorporates holistic health and wellness into her own life, through natural movement including rock climbing and running, minimal footwear, meditation, breath work and cold water exposure.

We’re back!Robert, Stephen and Jenevora got a little sidetracked in the opening episode to season 3… so much so that they forgot to do the thing that they were there to do! Still, a rather entertaining episode around relationships emerged from our three vocal philosophers addressing all sorts of facets to 1-2-1 sessions, group work and rehearsals/performance.

George Webster is a 21-year-old TV presenter, actor and dancer from Leeds. In September 2021 it was announced that he would become the first CBeebies presenter with Down’s Syndrome.  Our very own Martha celebrates World Down's Syndrome day with George, discussing how he is helping to give a voice to people with Down's Syndrome.

How possible is it to actually change?

In this interview, Stephen King interviews Dr Brian Broom, immunologist and psychotherapist about his work seeing patients not as parcels to be passed around, but whole people to be seen. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-41239-5_14 

Does my high larynx matter?

If everything is connected and we are each a biopsychosocial unity, does it always have to be about voice, to be about voice?

Graham D’Souza recounts his incredible work helping voiceless children in Indian slums find their authentic sound. This heart warming and at times gut wrenching interview clearly illustrates how voice work can change lives.

Does there have to be a destination to begin the journey? 

Chris Cullen, mindfulness teacher and psychotherapist, talks to Jenevora about the power of mindfulness for performers, for students in schools and MPs in parliament. 

When does teaching become facilitating? How much are we imparting information and how much are we enabling the student to discover things for themselves? Why would facilitation be a more effective way to learn? All these questions, questions and more questions - will Stephen, Robert and Jenevora ever find an answer?

Stephen, Robert and Jenevora present a 'festive special' and reflect on the first season of 'The Thinking Voice' podcast. 

Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up a conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘hope’. 

Heidi Moss and Jenevora chat about a career as both a scientist and a performer, how one can feed the other and how to turn adversity into advantage.

Robert Sussuma, Stephen King and Dr Jenevora Williams open up a conversation with the randomly generated topic of ‘hope’. 

In this episode, Robert opens a conversation with Dr Lynn Bursten about her dissertation 'Constructed realities and transformation of consciousness: A holonomic approach'.Links to materials mentioned:FLOW, by Mihaly CsikszentmihalyiOpen Space Technology by Harrison Owen