PODCAST · health
The Yorkie Talkies Talk
by Emma Shipley
Join us on Trail Talks & True Stories, your go-to podcast for all things outdoors! We explore the beauty of nature while diving into crucial topics like women's health, men's health, and mental well-being. Whether you're an avid trail runner or simply love the great outdoors, we’ve got something for you. Tune in for real-life stories from the Yorkie Talkies Outdoors community and gain insights into how to connect with nature for a healthier, happier life. Let’s lace up our shoes and hit the trail together—adventure awaits!
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“Step by Step: Walking the Length of the UK with Luke Harrison”
In this episode, I sit down with Luke Harrison to talk about his incredible journey walking LEJOG — from Land’s End to John O’Groats.We get into what it really takes to complete a challenge like this — the long days, the mental battles, and the moments that make it all worthwhile. It’s easy to look at something like LEJOG and see it as one big achievement, but chatting to Luke, it’s clear it’s about so much more than that.I loved hearing about the highs, the lows, and everything in between — from tough conditions to the unexpected kindness you find along the way.If you’ve ever thought about taking on a big challenge, or you just enjoy hearing real stories from real people pushing themselves, this one’s definitely for you.
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From Strangers to Summit Friends ft. Two Libby's
What starts as a solo booking can turn into something much bigger. In this episode, I chat to two Yorkie Talkies Outdoors clients who met on a walk and ended up building a genuine friendship through shared miles, muddy boots, and big challenges.We talk about what brought them to YTO, how that first connection happened, and why the outdoors has a way of bringing people together like nothing else. If you’ve ever turned up to something solo or wondered if you should—this one’s for you.
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From Investment Banking to the Marathon des Sables
In this episode, I sit down with Lyn to talk about how a simple, practical decision to start running turned into a journey through some of the world’s toughest endurance challenges.What started as a way to fit exercise around the unpredictable demands of investment banking gradually evolved into completing the six World Marathon Majors, an Ironman, and the Marathon des Sables—a 250km self-sufficient race across the Sahara Desert.But what stands out most in this conversation isn’t the scale of the achievements, it’s the mindset behind them.
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From Passion to Purpose: Building Off the Wheaten Path with Judith Lodge
In this episode, I chat with Judith Lodge, founder of Off the Wheaten Path – a business built from passion, creativity, and doing things a little differently.Judith shares how she turned an idea into a growing business, the challenges along the way, and the mindset it takes to back yourself and make it happen. I loved this conversation – it’s honest, relatable, and will definitely inspire you if you’re thinking about starting something new or stepping outside your comfort zone.📲 Follow JudithInstagram: @offthewheatenpathFacebook: Off the Wheaten PathEmail - [email protected]
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From DofE to Land’s End to John O’Groats - Luke’s Walking Journey
In this episode of the Yorkie Talkies Outdoors Podcast, I’m joined by Luke as he shares his incredible journey through the outdoors—from his early days completing the Duke of Edinburgh Award to taking on one of the UK’s biggest endurance challenges, Land's End to John o' Groats.We dive into the highs and lows of long-distance walking, including solo hikes, brutal blisters, back pain, injuries, and the mental resilience it takes to keep going when things get tough. Luke opens up about walking the Pennine Way solo, completing the National Three Peaks Challenge, and raising £4100 for Alzheimer’s Research during his end-to-end journey.From the rugged beauty of the Lake District and ticking off Wainwrights, to finding a new rhythm of life in Whitby and along the Cleveland Way—this episode is packed with honest reflections, lessons learned, and inspiration for anyone looking to take on their own adventure.If you’ve ever thought about pushing your limits, starting a long-distance walk, or just getting outdoors more—this one’s for you.
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From Frontline to Strength: Rachael’s Story
In this episode, I chat with Rachael about her incredible journey from joining the Metropolitan Police Service at just 18, to representing Great Britain in Olympic lifting at the Commonwealth Games where women competed for the first time.Rachael opens up about the challenges she faced, including a life-changing moment that led to medical retirement, and how she rebuilt her life with purpose. From raising over £45,000 for charities through running and bagpiping, to sending medical aid to Ukraine and repurposing items that would otherwise go to waste, her story is one of resilience and giving back.Now coaching at Dominus in Clifton Moor, Rachael is passionate about helping others especially women build strength, confidence and improve long-term health through lifting.👉 Find out more about Dominus: https://www.dominusgym.co.uk📍 Based in Clifton Moor, YorkA powerful conversation about strength, purpose and making a difference.
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Healing Through the Outdoors: Joanne’s Story
In this episode of The Yorkie Talkies Talk, I’m joined by Joanne to share her powerful journey of rebuilding her life after illness and a relationship breakdown.We talk openly about facing cancer, navigating a breakup, and how the outdoors, walking, and community played a huge role in recovery, confidence, and finding herself again.From that first nervous step onto a YTO walk to becoming part of a supportive outdoor community, Jo’s story is honest, inspiring, and incredibly relatable.If you’re struggling, lacking confidence, or just need a reset, this episode is a reminder that small steps outside can lead to big changes
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York on a Fork with Ben
In this episode, I chat with Ben from York on a Fork – a leading York food blog and local guide sharing the best restaurants, cafés and independent food spots in York 🍴We talk about how York on a Fork started, the growth of York’s food scene, and Ben’s top recommendations for where to eat, drink and explore in the city.Whether you're planning a visit to York or looking for new places to try, this episode is packed with local food inspiration and hidden gems 👀👉 Find York on a Fork:Website: https://yorkonafork.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/yorkonafork/
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Accountant to Bakery: The JJ’s Bake's Story with Jade Jefferson
In this episode of Yorkie Talkies Talk, I chat with Jade Jefferson, the owner of JJ’s Bakes in Thirsk, about her journey from working as an accountant to running her own baking business. Jade shares how her passion for baking turned into JJ’s Bakes, what it’s really like running a small food business, and the sweet treats that customers keep people coming back for.If you enjoy hearing the stories behind local businesses — and love a good brownie or cake — this episode is definitely worth a listen.Follow Jade and see her delicious creations here:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jjsbakesuk/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jjsbakesuk/
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Paws & Peaks – Featuring Vet Nurse Molly
This week on Yorkie Talkies Talk, I chats with veterinary nurse Molly about life behind the scenes at a busy vet practice and what really goes into caring for our four-legged friends. From paw care and heatstroke to ticks, trail walks and building your dog’s fitness safely, this episode is packed with practical advice for anyone who loves exploring the outdoors with their dog. A must-listen before your next adventure.
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Finding Calm Outdoors: Reconnecting with Nature with David Fong
In this episode of the Yorkie Talkies Talk podcast, I’m joined by David Fong, a clinical psychologist who blends psychology, mindfulness, and the outdoors.We explore why so many of us feel disconnected, how nature helps regulate the nervous system, and why slowing down outdoors can have such a powerful impact on mental wellbeing. We also talk about mindfulness in a simple, accessible way and share small, realistic ways to reconnect with nature in everyday life.A calm, grounding conversation for anyone feeling busy, overwhelmed, or in need of a reset.Find out more about David’s work here:davidfongpsychology.co.uk
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Breaking the Taboo: Women’s Health, Periods & Performance with Dr Natalie Brown
In this episode I’m joined by Arc’teryx Ambassador and women’s health researcher Natalie Brown to talk all things periods, hormones and performance. We chat about why women’s health research matters, how your menstrual cycle can affect training and energy levels, and why it’s time to stop treating periods as a taboo in sport and the outdoors. An honest, empowering conversation for every active woman.
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Breaking Waves & Big Walks: A Conversation with Emma Simpson
In this episode of Yorkie Talkies Talk, I sit down with author, wild swimmer, and storyteller Emma Simpson. We chat about her journey into adventure, creativity, and confidence, and how time outdoors — on the hills, in the water, and within community — has played such a big part in her story.Emma is the award-winning author of Breaking Waves, a powerful memoir exploring healing, resilience, and the deep connections we form with nature and with each other. This is a warm, honest conversation about taking first steps, saying yes to new experiences, and finding your people along the way.🌐 Website: www.emmasimpsonauthor.com/about📸 Instagram: @emmasimpsonauthor✍️ Substack: Emma Simpson on Substack🔗 Connect with Emma Simpson
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Fuelling for Life, Sport & the Outdoors – with Renee McGregor
In this episode of Yorkie Talkies Talk, I am joined by Renee McGregor, leading sports and performance nutritionist, to talk all things fuelling for an active outdoor life. From walking and running to long challenge days, Renee shares practical advice on nutrition, under-fuelling, common myths, and building a healthier relationship with food — without guilt or restriction.A must-listen for anyone who loves being active outdoors and wants to feel stronger, more energised, and better fuelled.🔗 Website: https://www.reneemcgregor.com📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reneemcgregor✍️ Substack: https://reneemcgregor.substack.com
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From Gym Chats to Growing a Business – Lynne’s Beauty, Haxby
In this episode of Yorkie Talkies Talk, Emma chats with Lynne from Lynne’s Beauty, a local beauty business based in Haxby, York. Lynne shares her journey into self-employment, why she decided to set up her own business, the realities of working for yourself, and how a chance meeting at the gym turned into a supportive friendship and business connection.You can find Lynne and follow her work on Instagram @lynnesbeauty.
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Happy New Year! ft. Emma and Gemma
🎧 Episode 1 of 2026 is live!We’re kicking off the year chatting all things Yorkie Talkies Outdoors — what we’ve got planned for 2026, a few exciting changes, and even a sneak peek at trips coming in 2027 👀We’re also taking a moment to celebrate some absolute legends who’ve hit their 100th event with YTO 🧡So grab a cuppa ☕, pop the headphones on, head out for a wander and listen to our waffle — it’s a good one!
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A Year in YTO: The Best Bits of 2025
Join me and the Yorkie Talkies Outdoors team as we look back on 2025 — sharing the highlights, funniest moments, proudest achievements and the magic that happens when a community comes together outdoors. From miles walked and mountains climbed to laughs, lessons and unforgettable moments, this episode celebrates a year of adventure and looks ahead to what’s coming in 2026.
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Menfulness: Breaking the Silence with Jack — Courage, Connection & Community
In this episode of Yorkie Talkies Talk, I sit down with Jack from Menfulness, a community-powered movement supporting men’s mental health through connection, activity and honest conversations.Together, we dive into:Why so many men struggle to talkHow Menfulness is changing the landscape of men’s wellbeingThe power of doing something side-by-side — walking, football, barber chats and moreReal stories of community, courage and hopeHow you or someone you know can get involvedMenfulness offers a wide range of support including counselling, talking groups and activities. You can find them here:🌐 Website: https://menfulness.org/📲 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/menfulnessuk📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MenfulnessUK🐦 Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/menfulnessukThis episode includes discussion around mental health and suicide — please listen with care.If you or someone you know needs support urgently, contact Samaritans on 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org/.
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🎙️ Your Thoughts Are Not Your Facts — with Lucy Hurn
In this episode of Yorkie Talkies Talk, I sit down with Lucy from Feel Fit with Lucy to chat all things movement, mindset and building confidence through fitness. We dive into her journey, the power of small consistent habits, and how she helps women feel stronger—inside and out.Find Lucy here:🌐 Website: https://www.feelfitwithlucy.co.uk/📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/feelfitwithlucy📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/feelfitwithlucyTune in, feel inspired, and seize the day!
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“Rebuilding Success: Finding Freedom in Business and Life with Lisa Hudson”
In this episode of TheYorkie Talkies Talk, I chat with transformational coach Lisa Hudson about what happens when the business you built no longer fits the person you’ve become. Lisa shares her journey from burnout to balance, and how her Freedom Method™—a blend of Human Design, Mind Coding®, and soul-aligned strategy—helps entrepreneurs rediscover clarity, joy, and purpose in their work.If you’ve ever felt like you’ve outgrown your business, this conversation will remind you that freedom isn’t found in doing more—it’s found in aligning who you are with what you do.🔗 Explore more from Lisa at www.lisahudsoncoaching.com📸 Follow Lisa on Instagram: @lisahudsoncoaching
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"Seize the Day": Wild Swimming & Walking with Sarah Banks
This week I’m joined by author and wild swimmer Sarah Banks to talk all things walking, swimming and discovering Yorkshire’s most beautiful hidden spots. Expect stories, tips, and plenty of love for the great outdoors.Explore more at www.sarahbanks.me and Instagram @sarahbanksphoto.
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Relax, Restore & Recharge: Glamping and Wellbeing with Jo from Aldwark Bridge
Join me as I chat with Jo, owner of Aldwark Bridge Glamping — a peaceful countryside escape that’s all about slowing down, switching off and reconnecting with nature. We also dive into Jo’s other passion: reflexology, and how the power of touch and relaxation can help balance busy lives.Website - North Yorkshire glamping site
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All Things YTO: Walks, Car Shares & Big Adventures Ahead
In this episode, Emma highlights what’s new at Yorkie Talkies Outdoors — including upcoming events, longer-distance challenges, and how the YTO community is making the outdoors more accessible for everyone.
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Finding Joy in the Outdoors with Jo Moseley
In this uplifting episode of Yorkie Talkies Talk, I chat with Jo Moseley — filmmaker, author, and “joy encourager” — about what it truly means to find joy in the outdoors.Jo shares her story of rediscovering herself through paddleboarding, the magic of being on the water, and how simple acts like picking up litter and slowing down in nature can transform our wellbeing. From her coast-to-coast adventure to everyday moments of gratitude, Jo’s message is a beautiful reminder that joy is all around us — if we take the time to step outside and notice it.✨ Listen for:– Finding joy and calm through nature– Adventure and purpose in midlife– How kindness, community and connection make the outdoors even richerFollow Jo:🌊 Instagram – @jomoseley🌍 Website – www.jomoseley.com📽️ YouTube – Jo Moseley – Finding JoyFollow Yorkie Talkies Outdoors for more adventures and inspiring conversations:👉 www.yorkietalkies.co.uk🎙️ Find us on Instagram – @yorkietalkiesoutdoors
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Highs and Hikes: Gemma & Kerry Take on the Dolomites
This episode follows YTO leaders Gemma and Kerry on their summer journey through the breathtaking Dolomites. Expect mountain highs, a few unexpected twists — including a lucky escape — and the sweet surprise of pineapple ice cream along the way!
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🎙️ Pennine Way – Sausage Toes, Bog Boots & Red Squirrels
Who decides to walk to another country for their holiday? Emma and Becky, apparently! In this episode we chat all things Pennine Way – 268 miles, 14 days, 40,000ft of up and down, a couple of train rides, and even an emergency chiropodist visit thrown in for good measure.Expect plenty of laughs as we relive the highlights (breakfast with red squirrels, High Cup Nick, cheese scones, pork scratchings, and a little red wine & port to keep us going 🍷) and the lowlights (5:30am starts in the dark, sausage-shaped toes, and the “worst but best” pit stop near Bellingham).It’s muddy, it’s silly, it’s epic – and somehow we’re still friends at the end of it! 🥾😂
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Nudibranch - find out more with Abigail Hargreaves
In our first episode back after the summer break, we’re joined by YTO leader Abigail Hargreaves as she tells us about living in Canada, what started her love of the outdoors. From diving experiences to fascinating encounters with marine life, including the curious Nudibranch, Abigail shares insights and stories that capture both adventure and discovery.
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Behind the scenes with York Rescue Boat ft. Andrew Black
In this episode, we sit down with Andrew Black one of the incredible volunteers behind York Rescue Boat – the charity providing life-saving support along the River Ouse and beyond.From late-night patrols to emergency call-outs, Andrew shares what it really takes to be part of a frontline water rescue service. We talk about why the charity was set up, the emotional realities of the job, the importance of water safety, and how the public can support the work they do.Whether you’re local to York or just passionate about community resilience, this is an inspiring listen about teamwork, dedication, and saving lives.Website - www.yorkrescueboat.org.uk
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Spontaneous Sobriety ft. Niamh Batterton
Join me and Niamh as we dive into the honest, inspiring story of choosing sobriety — just because we wanted to.From wild nights and binge drinking to 6.5 years sober, Niamh shares it all: what led her to make the change, the challenges she’s faced, and the unexpected joys of life without alcohol. Whether you're sober-curious or simply interested in hearing a powerful personal journey, this episode is full of honesty, encouragement, and practical advice for anyone considering the same path.Group - Life Beyond Booze on FacebookBooks - This Naked mind / Alcohol lied to me / Alcohol explained / The unexpected joy of being sober
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Exploring the Outdoors with Mike Raine – Life, Learning & Landscapes
In this episode, we’re joined by Mike Raine – mountain leader, educator, and author of the well-loved Nature of Snowdonia and Nature of the Brecon Beacons. Mike shares insight into his journey through the outdoors, how he got into teaching, and what continues to inspire his work today.We chat about the stories behind his books, his passion for helping people truly see the landscape, and the joy he finds in connecting others to nature through learning. Whether you’re a seasoned outdoor leader or just love a walk in the hills, Mike’s reflections will leave you looking at the world around you a little differently.Grab a cuppa and enjoy an hours ramble!Website - www.mikeraine.co.uk
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An Insight into Run Smarter ft. Becky and Laura
It was a real pleasure to meet Becky and Laura on this episode from Run Smarter and to hear more about the business, including hints and tips on running.The app that was mentioned is www.fitrwoman.com/product/mobile-app Take a look at everything they have to offer on the website, give them a follow on social media too!Facebook Instagram Website
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Jane's Journey with YTO
It was a pleasure to welcome Jane onto the podcast to share her journey with YTO. From where it all began — that very first evening walk — to the memorable end-to-end paddle on Ullswater, Jane reflects on the moments that shaped her experience. She talks about the joy of making new friends, discovering a hobby that’s just for her, and how YTO has opened unexpected doors in her life.Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/538635918610567/
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The West Highland Way Adventure ft. Lorraine Fox, Louise Dodds and Sara Winn
It was an absolute pleasure to have these inspiring ladies join us to chat about their West Highland Way adventure, completed in March 2025. A group of eight set out to tackle 110 miles and 13,815 feet of elevation—brought together through their shared love of the outdoors via Yorkie Talkies Outdoors.This is a story of friendship forged on the trail and gratitude for the opportunity to experience it all.Be sure to join our Facebook group to stay up to date with everything The Yorkie Talkies Talk!https://www.facebook.com/groups/538635918610567/
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Tropic Skincare ft. Renni Prelle
This week, I’m happy to welcome back Renni Prelle, wellness coach and Tropic Skincare ambassador, for another inspiring conversation — this time all about skincare! Renni shares why she’s so passionate about the Tropic brand, her favorite products, and tips for glowing, healthy skin. Tune in to hear her expert insights and discover the skincare essentials she loves.Website - www.renniprellecoaching.co.ukFacebook Instagram Tropic website is https://tropicskincare.com/pages/renniprelle_1.Email - [email protected]
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Cold Water Thearpy ft. Nichola Mather
This episode explores Nichola's journey through drug and alcohol addiction, her path to recovery, and how cold water swimming and submersion have played a vital role in her healing process.
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Through the ages ft. Lucy and 10 years of friendship
Lucy and myself have been friends over 10 years starting way back when we first did the Yorkshire 3 Peaks. It was fantastic to reminisce all the fun we have had together, all the adventures and how life is busy but we remain friends.
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Opening new opportunities ft. Declan Faulkner
I first met Declan on my Mountain Leader training back in 2020 so it was really great to chat and hear all about Dec's amazing journey to go on and do so much with his qualification. Please give Dec a follow at the belowwww.facebook.com/DecTrekMountainAdventureswww.instagram.com/dectrekmountainadventures_/
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Dedication to saving lives ft. Jamie Pattison
Jamie Pattison has had an incredible journey! From being a Search and Rescue (SAR) paramedic to leading a Mountain Rescue Team and teaching Wilderness Emergency Medicine (WEM), his dedication to saving lives and serving others is truly inspiring. Please give Jamie a follow on Instagram - @jcxplore
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"Who puts steps into a hill side" ft. Dawn Simpson
I first did a blog with Dawn on her journey with Yorkie Talkies Outdoors and wanted to come back to record a podcast with her as I enjoyed the conversation so much. Here all about Dawn's first Yorkshire 3 Peaks, to the new found friendships and her completion of the Lyke Wake Walk.www.yorkietalkies.co.uk/post/a-g-t-in-hand-and-a-click-of-a-mouse
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Creating Friendships through Exercise ft. Steph Ward
An easy going chat with my friend Steph Ward about making new friends as an adult, exercise, women's health and YTO running.I loved this POD!!!!
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Getting to know SUP Lass Paddle Adventures
A lovely chat with the SUP Lass Caroline Dawson about her business, how it started and all she has to offer. Based in North East Wales, SUP Lass Paddle Adventures offer high-quality stand-up paddle boarding (SUP) guided adventures, retreats and tuition in a range of environments, along with professional advice and guidance on equipment and water safetyWebsites - www.suplass.comFacebook - www.facebook.com/suplassadventuresInstagram - www.instagram.com/sup_lass/
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Ben Turner - The Adventure Coach
Starting March with a high energy chat with Ben Turner - The Adventure Coach. Why did Ben start the business, background in outdoor activities, nutrition and coaching.Website - www.benturneradventure.comFacebook - www.facebook.com/benturneradventureInstagram - www.instagram.com/benturneradventure/#
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"Do what you love and the money will come" - Hannah Kay Co owner of The Recharge Hub
An episode worth waiting for, I loved this chat and even more so I loveThe Recharge Hub. A great insight into Hannah's fitness journey, why she loves her job and what owing her own business means to her. We also deep dive into the amazing wellness facility that has opened at Clifton Moor York from all things Hyrox to enjoying some meditation.Listen in and maybe we will see you there soon.Website -therechargehub.co.ukInstagram -therechargehubyork
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Boredom creates creativity with Bryn Williams
This is probably one of my favourite episodes so far, what an amazing, inspiring story fromBryn Williams. From learning to abseil off a crane, teaching yourself how to climb to running your own business teaching mountaineering qualifications and so much more.Settle in folks, grab a brew, some biscuits and let me know what risks you are going to take.Websitewww.bwmountaineering.comFacebookwww.facebook.com/BrynWilliamsMountaineering
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YTO Business Insights
An episode all about Yorkie Talkies Outdoors from where it began, daily running's of the business, how we route find and much more. Tune in, grab a brew and find out more about how YTO operates.Website - www.yorkietalkies.co.ukEmail - [email protected] - www.facebook.com/yorkietalkiesInstagram - www.instagram.com/yorkietalkiesoutdoors
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Renni Prelle - Complementary Therapies
Complementary Therapies with Renni Prelle who specialises in Reflexology, wellness coaching and menopause. Listen in to find more about all these wonderful treatments, where it all began and how one of these may work for you. Website - www.renniprellecoaching.co.uk Facebook - Renni Prelle Coaching Instagram - renniprelle_coaching
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Feet, Wine, ASBO and I can DO it!
A fantastic hour with the lovely Sarah Chisem talking about her 20 years in foot health, owning her own podiatry clinic and paddling a mere 162 miles along canals and rivers from C2C. www.sarahchisempodiatry.co.uk
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An insight into Excel Sports Clinic
Find out more from Tom and Adi about this fantastic business and what they have to offer. Excel Sports Clinic is a Sports Therapy and Physiotherapy clinic based in York. The clinic was set up in 2010 by Tom Robinson and was based from Fitness First gym. In 2012 Adi Hammond joined the clinic and in 2016 we moved to our first bespoke Rehab and Performance Centre in Clifton Moor. At the end of 2021 we acquired our new premises on Clifton Moor which we’ve fitted out to the highest standard with 5 consultation rooms, fully equipped strength and conditioning gym. You can also find them on Facebook and Instagram
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Nina Hildreth the Willy Wonka of Ice Cream (Curlew Dairies)
Find out more about how Nina's business started back in 2021 from milk vending machines to making ice cream and crafting workshops. Website - also give them a follow on Instagram and Facebook Milk, Milkshakes - Curlew Fields Dairies - Hessay, England
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Getting to know Gemma Lumley (YTO Leader)
An episode featuring Gemma Lumley who has worked for Yorkie Talkies Outdoors since 2021. Find out more about Gemma, being a health care assistant to changing careers and being a mum of two. Recce Blog - Read Here
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Join us on Trail Talks & True Stories, your go-to podcast for all things outdoors! We explore the beauty of nature while diving into crucial topics like women's health, men's health, and mental well-being. Whether you're an avid trail runner or simply love the great outdoors, we’ve got something for you. Tune in for real-life stories from the Yorkie Talkies Outdoors community and gain insights into how to connect with nature for a healthier, happier life. Let’s lace up our shoes and hit the trail together—adventure awaits!
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