Should we kick this thing off by you telling me a little bit about how protein shakes aren't really good for your body? Well, I don't want to say they're not good for your body They're not good for my body or my body apparently does not get along with protein shakes So, you know, I've been working out and usually I'll work out at night after dinner So I've had like a decent sized meal and afterwards, you know, you kind of have a craving to at least eat something or you know When it's late at night, the worst thing you could do is eat something that you know kind of high in calories and fat and a bunch of stuff So I was like, you know what? I'll pick up like some protein shakes Which are you know kind of like little meals themselves, but they don't have a ton of calories and they have a ton of protein Which is good for you know, like the post-workout recovery thing So I started doing that and my god my body is just like hey, you know what that protein stuff you ate? We're just gonna show that right back out your butthole like it's just gonna shoot right out there So yeah, I don't want to say protein shakes about for everybody.
They're just not for Adam Adam does not do protein shakes Doly noted that the protein shakes give you the Hershey's words You know, I can say that I've never been a fan or been a fan I've done the protein like bar thing a few times, but even even that I'm not a fan. It's um, it's okay But it's not my go-to and mainly just I don't know like I've never found any one of them that tasted good and I really never felt like It it made that major of a difference, but I could just be weird. Who the hell knows? Well, I don't think they're supposed to taste good There's all sorts of like recipes out there to make them taste tolerable or to try to make them taste good because like whey protein powder You know in itself does not taste good Like when you there's still something down to just be like pure protein and nothing else like how are you gonna make that taste good?
It's it's tough to do but um, so I bought like the prepackaged little things I was like, all right if I'm gonna start trying this I might as well just you know cut out some work Cause I don't want to have to you know make a bunch of things every night I just want to open something and you know drink it So I got like some name brand protein shake and I'm like it tastes like what I would expect a protein shake to taste like And you know, it has protein in it But like so my body just is not happy with them and I've got them out of my diet and the body's like oh, okay This is good, you know, but then same thing. I'm so hungry after I work out so I know you said you're not a fan of protein shakes But I did go on kind of like the search to find a decent protein shake recipe And I came across one called the bad girl shake and if I just if I can just read off the ingredients for you So the first ingredient is one and a half cups of skim milk, which okay skim milk like I get that one cup of ice You know make a smoothie two scoops of chocolate protein powder, which yep there There you go, you know, that doesn't taste great and then you just toss in eight cookies eight thin mint cookies and I realized oh well if I throw eight thin mints into something It's probably gonna taste pretty good, you know So then you just blend those together and you have yourself a protein shake that has 67 grams of protein 18 grams of fat 61 grams of carbs and a whole whopping 676 calories, so There goes, you know a good portion of your daily allotment just in one protein shake Yeah, that that's interesting. That's an interesting way to go about it. So I'm probably gonna lose some fans here, but Thin mints you don't like Girl Scout cookies.
Yep. I don't like Girl Scout cookies So so yeah, I said it. I don't like thin mints. I don't like Girl Scout cookies So yeah, that really wouldn't probably appeal to me, but hey, you know, okay replace with Oreos Hey, I mean, right you could replace it with anything.
So that's that's fine Also, what the heck man haven't you bought Girl Scout cookies from my kids? What'd you do with those just like give them to someone else? I don't think I bought your also cookies from your kids if I did oh, that's even worse No, if I did I gave them to to Hillary. I didn't I didn't take them any of them All I know is that they definitely went to your place of work when after I had left and They went to go sell their cookies and I know a bunch of people bought them They know if you were one of them I hope do you were but since I'm like you were and not disappointed Amen, if they bring traffic to cookies all of a sudden my wallet will open They just need to be able to take debit cards Maybe even credit and American Express, you know, might regret, you know, approving You know, your your daughters as a as a payee, but uh, but hey, you know, they'll drain my bank account quickly I mean, there are tons of ways to transfer money between individuals digitally nowadays So believe you me you could definitely transfer money to them somehow and that money would go into Girl Scouts Somehow through the magic of the internet all things are possible This is true.
This is true. So did you do this Futurama thing that you were you were talking about last week son of a bitch Son of a bitch. No, I didn't. Um, hold on one second.
I'm gonna start chatting you Simpsons characters or Futurama characters Adam didn't do his homework, but he's trying to do it right before the test Yeah, this is the oh shoot. I knew there was something I forgot Um, so give me a second. I'm gonna pull up some things talk amongst yourselves or whatever you need to do but I need to Insert Jeopardy music here I don't want to do it one by one because I feel like that's kind of cheating Uh, but we pull up another tab here How do you want me to send these to you? This is way in clipboard managers are awesome Because I'm just going to copy a ton of images and then go in my thing and Basically, basically be fantastic I don't know.
Do I give you like some lowball ones because you've at least seen the Simpsons, right? Not really. I don't know any of the character names All right, so I am going to message you these things. I was gonna give you a lineup and say like a B or C but since Something happened.
I don't know what I'm just gonna call it a technical glitch in the system Because of that, I'm gonna have to the pay sent to you one by one So here is your first one and you just have to tell me is this character from the Simpsons or from Futurama? Simpsons Yes, that is Homer Simpson Good job. So you're one for one How about this one? I'm gonna say Futurama That is mr.
Burns from the Simpsons Damn it Wow I mean, I know you said you didn't know when mr. Burns was the last time so I figured you wouldn't get that one But how about this one? That definitely looks artistically different. So I'm gonna say Futurama That's Millhouse from the Simpsons Fuck Oh my god Uh, okay here here this this one God damn it.
They all look like they're from the Simpsons. Um They're all from the same artist, you know the same creator All right, I'm just gonna play the game of like if I guess enough that this is uh a future. I might actually be from Futurama So I'm gonna say this one's from Futurama. Yeah, that's right.
The main character from Futurama. Oh, that's cool I didn't know who he was at all Yeah, he got frozen in the year 2000 or a thousand years I believe and he wakes up in the future and just has to adjust a life in the future But he's a delivery boy. So all right, I have like three more. So this is the next one This is from the Simpsons.
Very good. That's Marge Bouvier Homer's wife from the Simpsons And let's do this one I've never seen this guy before so I'm gonna say Futurama Yeah, the term is Conrad. Uh, he is from the future of York, correct Yeah Uh, he reminds me of like Rastafarian Gerald It's pretty funny. Just the way that he he acts and some of things he says here But like if Gerald was a Rastafarian, that's what it was Uh, I think there's only one more and should be pretty easy for you Easy, good.
Um, I don't know. I'm gonna say Simpsons on this one Yeah, Simpsons, that's Nelson from the Simpsons So all of the Simpsons characters have the same Well, I don't want to say the same color scene But a lot of them have basically the same color scene And all the ones I sent you definitely have the same color. They're all yellow And Futurama they kind of moved to more varied tones, but all right That went just about as well as I thought it would so I was five for seven No, man. It wasn't that high You missed you missed Homer.
You missed you missed Mr. Burns. You missed Millhouse. You got fry got the Marge No, I didn't miss Homer.
The first one you sent me I got that one. I missed the second one and I missed the third one And then from there I got everything right after that. Okay, fine. Well, so what five out of seven All right about average sees get degrees good for you Yeah, it's still pretty rough because I'm literally kind of Throwing darts in the dark here hoping I get right so You know that that wasn't that definitely wasn't easy Let me just say that I would have had a better system Had I not uh had to take care of the kids by myself today I'm just gonna use that as excuse.
Sorry kids. I love you But because I had to watch you by myself today means I didn't get the spend time on my computer making a future on the Simpsons lineup for mr Lou I like it welcome welcome to parenting just playing the kids Well, you know It's it's their fault for everything Ever ever since I had kids like I love them, but my life is so different There are so many more things that are a much higher priority than things like What you were doing with the podcast on iOS and I'm like man. No, I gotta put kids to bed. No kids have to get to gymnastics in the morning Can't worry about that stuff.
Yeah, this is true. So uh yaml, huh? You uh You put the definition in here and the definition is it rhymes with camel So pronunciation seems to be a recurring theme for me for me in particular where I will say what I think something, you know How I think it's pronounced and it is completely different So last time I said I you know I wanted to learn, you know more of this market language Which is which I said yaml and then I went and looked it up You know just for the show just to give a decent Wikipedia link and I look in there and it you know has a pronunciation right after it It's all phonetic spellings. I'm like oh we talked about this right and it's great So it's yaml or no, I said yaml that's what I said, but it's yaml Is it rhymes with camel and they even said that in Wikipedia.
So I was very happy. That's like yaml rhymes with camel So uh, that's a direct quote. Hence the missing uh parentheses But yes, uh the constant follow-up from Adam about pronunciation of things that he says it's yaml So adam wants to learn more yaml in the coming months So the question I have is To me yaml or yaml, however you want to say it is tomato tomato. It doesn't really seem like it's actually that different but uh This is coming from somebody who you know doesn't know this language at all, but it sounds so similar It really does to me.
So uh, I mean, I'm glad we corrected the record. Let's just put it that way Tell you man. My favorite thing is to see why I so this is my CYA for my yaml pronunciation Otherwise people will tweet at me and say that's not how you pronounce yaml Adam you ignorant dumbass And I just don't want I don't want that in my life. I'd rather get out ahead of the problem Very true.
Uh, so you're also using coda on iOS. Uh, this is that um That uh editor that is made by um, panic rate if I recall correctly Yes, so last time you mentioned how you were having like woes with text editors and trying to decide which text editor would become your you know One-stop shop. So when I was like, oh, okay Well, I gave you some recommendations and only later realized like those are all Mac recommendations and I was like, oh I guess I do most of my text editing on Mac like I never edit any, you know Just text documents like playing text documents on iOS I usually just type them in notes or I type them in pages or whatever it is But I never do any actual like coding from iOS. It's either all SSH into, you know, a computer and use VIM Or I'll just avoid that until I get to an actual laptop and use BB edit So then I started looking I'm like, okay.
Well, where would be a text editor that would fit my needs? So I sent you that link uh to Brett Terps' page It has like an awesome breakdown of like every text editor out there on iOS and like the features So you can filter like, oh, does it have an iPad app or does it export to iCloud or does it have Syntax highlighting or all these various features you can kind of filter by and I was looking at that and I was like, well I don't want just a marked editor. I want something to be able to edit anything So I started looking at it and code has been on my list of apps to get for a long time But I just never felt like paying $25 for it And now that I was like, well, I kind of actually want a text editor because I've been carrying an iPad more Just on my commute instead of, you know, a Macbook So I was like, well, let's try this out You know, the worst thing is that I don't like it and then I wasted $25 which would be sad Especially in my life where I have kids and you know, have to pay for them to eat But I started using code basically for editing markdown documents editing Some of the JavaScript files that I have editing some of the Python scripts that I've been working with So, yeah, I mean, I started going in there and just doing a bunch of it and code is actually really full-featured I downloaded it when I was on the bus on my iPhone and I started working on some text files there And I set up, you know, like the remote repository that we have, you know, just for the server I have at home Little Mac mini so I started pulling files down and editing some files and uploading some files and I was like, huh This is really nice. So I kind of wanted to share just like code has been great Just all around, you know, take everything you can throw at it kind of text editor You know, supports a bunch of different syntax highlighting for a bunch of different languages And at least gives me, you know, SFTP uploads to a remote repo Which is great because I know you were complaining about Transma going away Transma on iOS but with CODA, I can at least set up a site and have the uploads basically go to an SFTP server And I can pull stuff down and I don't I'm not limited just to text files either I can pull down audio files and stuff like that So I just now that it was a great little addition to my toolbox now and You know, panic, I know they do great work And it was just really nice to see another iOS app that's just, you know, just polished and has kind of all the features that you'd expect and Just kind of works to the high level of expectation I have from panic So I just thought I'd share that with you and everyone listening That's cool, you know, uh, the tendency of this sort of thing Adam talks about Some software and Lou tends to buy it, right?
Did you already buy it? No, I haven't yet, but don't be surprised if I have by next week I was just waiting to see if like you're gonna say the punch I was gonna be like, you know, Adam talks about software and then Lou shortly after buys it Well, Lou just bought this I mean, I did spend $25 this week on the App Store so I did that already this week So, you know, I gotta slow down You know, my budget is $30. I'm like $30 for app subscriptions And I let that build up like over a month, right? So I'll just make sure that I at least put in $30 each month But you know, some of my budget was like up to like $60 or something like that Because I only started making this budget a month ago And so I was like up to $60 and I was like, okay, well burn half of that right now Sure, and I can still, you know, go buy a couple other, you know, stupid skins in Vanglory or buy some in-app currency and some other game Deck your character out in Fortnite?
Yeah, full disclosure I don't I don't do in-app purchases for like in-game currency or skins or anything like that I'll grind that game and earn something earn that in-game currency rather than, you know, pay to play Totally makes sense. So this week we're gonna talk a little bit about encryption and I think I should preface by saying we're planning this discussion around the idea of not getting super technical We're just a little more high level. We're not gonna get into the nitty gritty and you know get down to super complex, you know, like, you know hashing or or what types of You know encryption that are out there. We're gonna probably stay a lot higher than that So but with that said, I think I hope I guess I should say if you're listening to this You're probably someone who's Familiar with tech to a degree and therefore you probably have some idea of what encryption is and what it does But uh, if you're not I don't do you want to give like the 30 second dirty what the heck is encryption?
Yeah, so basically uh, this week when we talk about encryption all we're gonna talk about is Taking something that everyone knows or everyone can read and scrambling that so only one person with the keys can read it But it's basically like, you know, any type of code it code language like you talk about when they would have code languages in war times and Other ciphers and codes and various things. It's basically that it's taking something that you can read and scrambling it and basically making it It's where only one person who has the key can read it and that complies it like tons of things which we'll talk about in a little bit Yeah, I think uh, that's a decent trivial explanation for anybody who doesn't already know what that what encryption is So with that being said and kind of functioning on that definition Um, what sort of encryption do you use? Personally in your life and uh, if so on what kinds of content So I think when we talk about encryption with technology when you talk about taking something everyone can read and scrambling it It's like, okay. Well, what would that apply to or where would that be important?
So when it comes down to it encryption is a great way to keep information for your eyes only Right, so we're only the people you want to read this content will be able to read it Especially nowadays with everything data privacy. We know encryption is kind of a big deal Which is one of the reasons why we wanted to talk about this but like I said, this is encryption hold the salt So we won't get too far into the nuts and bolts but as far as like do I can encrypt my stuff? Yes, yes, I do as far as what do I encrypt? Well, that can range from a bunch of things, but uh, essentially what it comes down to is all the files of my computer are encrypted essentially if you use a I forget what the windows equivalent of this feature is but uh, macOS I have file vault So if you have file vault and you enable that it's basically making all of your contents encrypted Meaning that only you can access them when you sign in with your login password And if someone steals your computer and powers off your computer and they don't know your password It means that they can't read all the files that are on your computer They may have your computer, but they can't read the contents that are on it Uh, we'll talk about some other mechanisms which can kind of get in the way of that or make it a little more complex But I think for now Definitely safe to say that everything that's on my computer locally is encrypted All my passwords are encrypted if you use a password manager like one password Uh, which I do all my passwords are encrypted Uh, I encrypt messaging because the messaging service that I use is encrypted and sand and I also use one on iOS called signal And uh, that one is encrypted as well So a lot of the conversations that I send are essentially encrypted which is great And I have encrypted like attachments when I send to people especially things that contain like my social security number Anything that I want to Make sure that the people I'm giving it to you if they gave it to someone else if they didn't give them the password to open That file or the key to open that file they wouldn't be able to So I think on a high level that's all the stuff that I encrypt I don't know If there's any that I missed that you encrypt that I haven't mentioned but those are those are mine So I think you probably are further along than me in terms of encryption.
I um I do use encrypted messaging And uh, as far as email goes, I guess I probably could be better. I don't use any of the features like uh, it was a s-mime or any of that Yeah, yeah, so I don't use anything in that realm really, um, I just kind of try to avoid sending anything In email that that would be, you know, compromising But I understand there are even times that you just have to or there's not a great way around it And unfortunately I take that risk sometimes and I kind of have to think about it in the respect that There is plenty of members of the public that know none of this and you know, just freely send emails all day long every day So I'm going to take my risk and hope that I'm the needle and the haystack end that I don't get, you know, had in some way Um, you know, most of the stuff that I use for cloud services Are all encrypted, you know, usually I look into that sort of stuff for Both encrypted and transit and at rest and that's super important to me and then just understanding the process by which I can recover my account and whether Um, the vendor I'm dealing with or whoever I'm, you know buying the cloud storage from whether they have access to it or or not, you know In a sense, can I reset my password and then my local, um, stuff on my laptop and on my, um, on my desktop or all, um, you know Valve vault is turned on so I use a Mac as well. Um, I did remember the the windows version and I think it's called BitLocker if I'm not mistaken I'm typing that in the show notes. You can't see what I'm typing in the show.
Oh, no I remember that beforehand and I didn't I don't even have the show notes up, but um, but um, yeah, the uh, the bit locker thing I don't really, uh, I never used it. I think that it's new to like windows 10 if I recall correctly, um, or maybe it was eight or something But anyway, um, the equivalent on, uh, Mac OS is file vault and I definitely have files on Um, especially now there's like no compromise to, um, you know, these sort of things when In today's day and age, I mean reads, writes and disks are so fast. So, um, if I, if my computer was lost, I wouldn't want anybody to be able to to get at it And then obviously my personal devices, um, I, you know, I think it's no secret. Um, I have an iPhone so, you know, that that entire disk is encrypted And, um, you know, it's really important that I think those personal devices that are much more likely to get lost on a daily basis Um, because they're just, they're walking around and on you, um, are always encrypted.
So, um, I think that pretty well rounds out Where I use the encryption in my life, but um, was there anything else you thought of last minute at them or Um, I guess that my next question is sort of May seem, uh, you know, evolutionary, but just where we're going is that then the why, why you use the encryption Yeah, so before we get to the why, um There's definitely, I kind of want to touch on so like the email, like sign your email with PGP, which not a lot of people do Uh, because email they've always just been like, hey, you know, like I'm sending this email If I send this email, everyone can read it no matter what, you know, where they trust, you know, the ISPs to keep those emails, you know, in the same place But it's funny because I think email is one of the things where, you know, messaging has definitely had a priority for encrypting things end to end and saying like, no, we can't read These message stores, like they're all encrypted or they're stored in a secure place and we don't have access to them Uh, and with file system things, right? Like windows BitLocker, which yes, I started typing that in so I was like, oh, you stole that from me, but I didn't want to say it without knowing what it was knowing that's 100% what it was, but yeah BitLocker and file vault, right? That's the entire disk and The keys are basically held by you. It's, you know, your username and password, so as long as people don't know that then There's no way to get access to your computer, but I think email is kind of one of the things that have kind of like hung around where Those things are just sort of plain text and it's just kind of like, uh, whatever is just email But too, like email can carry a lot of things and I remember going through like mortgage, you know, process and Deal with realtors and especially when looking for like places to rent like you're sending a lot of stuff back and forth Just over plain text email and sometimes you really know these people So I think it's funny how email seems to be like the one service that just like has not caught up with the times in terms of Should this be encrypted?
Uh, and I think you know, they make it not super easy It's not like a toggle you can just turn on to have you know email being encrypted at least not on a majority of service providers And a majority of you know, operating systems and computers is out of the box So I thought it was kind of funny, but to answer your question is to like, well, why and where is encryption going is pretty soon? Everything will be encrypted. I mean, we look at things like the blockchain, you know, hold on just one just one second here So you said email, you know, I think one of the most interesting things when we think about a lot of these things is why encryption is Where it is today is when we think about email when did email really like come about? I mean, it was kind of like a what the early late 90s early 2000s, right?
And I mean This time of the internet, I mean, nobody cared whether you send anything across the internet and plain text, you know It's just we live in a different day and age now, you know, and so now things like encryption are thought about much much more early in the game. And so I think we just didn't think about those sort of things and so converting such an archaical system to, you know, the ability to do encryption across it is big and complex and hard to do And I don't know that I'm so much worried about and I mean you probably know more in this area than I The actual sending of the information across the internet sure, you know, it could be intercepted and read while it's going across the internet I'm more worried about it being at rest in whoever else the server and that server being, you know, attacked or or you know Got into by someone and then them sifting through the you know, they're like, oh, yeah I sent this to my mortgage company and my mortgage company has, you know, an email server with 200,000 emails in it with a bunch of loan contracts and social security numbers and everything else. That's like a pot of gold to any hacker Yeah, so to answer your question about like email the email standing Is is encrypted right the actual connection from your computer to the mail server? Most of the time you say is encrypted most of them all use, you know, some secure SSL Basically on top of you know the protocol that they use and whether that be imap or exchange whatever it is But the problem there is the server that they're sending to that's not encrypted Right, you are sending a plain text blob to the server So this server can look in that message it can see all the contents of it It can do whatever and like you said with everything now when you talk about exchange, you know, having a database of all your messages Wherever that's being stored if that's not encrypted, that means yeah, that server has just a honeypot of information With things on there and more commonly things like imap right like imap is just, you know A bunch of mail folders with a bunch of you know mailbox files in them And you fold those down from the server to synchronize with your in a local mailbox and that's not encrypted probably on the uh On the company server, so yeah, someone hacks that and they get access to all these emails like there's probably a good idea a good You know wealth of information that's in there.
It's probably a bunch of information That's not relevant right like you have to sit through all the spam and maybe that's why no one solved the problem with email Because like well, everyone just sends cat pictures, you know through email or everyone just gets you know coupons in the email It's like snail mail, but I think because it's so widespread I think it's probably a good vector of attack for for people or a good way to fish, you know Information out of someone without thinking about encryption, but I agree with you that I don't think it was thought about and it would take a lot of Rejiggering to get everyone to just out of the box have access because when you set up your email to send encrypted That means the other person needs to have your key to be able to read that message and you have to provide them that key So it adds another step that people are like, I don't want to deal with this I just want to send email and know that the other person is gonna get it right It's email is very much just like electronic mail It's it's the perfect name for it because when you sent you know a letter in the mail like fuck You know, anyone in the post office could open that letter. It's illegal to do it Yeah, sure, but anyone could anyone could hold it up to light and see what was in it You know, it's there was no secure method of keeping these this mail private or sending this mail So in just moving that digital like I always just take you know the same thing and make it digital Like all right cool, but I think messaging which you know chat came out You know, let's say if you're saying the 90s right email like checking out like mid to late 90s Right or it made it big right and chats kind of turned around like completely and I said, okay We're gonna keep everything private like all your chats and you know messages to people You know check text messages chat messages. We're gonna keep those encrypted and we're gonna store them encrypted And we're not gonna be able to read them on our servers and the only people are gonna be able to read them are the recipient and the center And if their device is encrypted, then it's not visible there either But if there's a lot of things when it comes to encryption There's a lot of places that can fall down and you've mentioned, you know, is it encrypted at rest or in transit and like said All these things kind of factor into it So encryption is a big topic and I don't know if we want to dig too far into the nitty gritty But just say like hey, let's just any step that says the contents are encrypted We'll just say that's encrypted or if we want to you know, keep going into the well as encrypted here But then when we send it here and it's unpacked and then delivered here It's not encrypted anymore But I think most of the time we're talking encryption. We're just talking We haven't encrypted and we send it encrypted and then the only person you can read that is person with the key though Yeah, fair enough.
I think that the That's the big checkbox for us. It's just isn't even encrypted So but getting on to the y here, so you know What is your you know sort of thought behind the why this is so important and you know ramifications for you personally and you know in not using encryption and In terms of obviously, there's a huge legal, you know Woe behind encryption in a lot of ways. So I'm kind of curious what your thoughts are on that as well Yeah, so like I said why encryption comes down to me is just like hey privacy, right? I don't want people to be able to read myself without my permission I don't want whoever has access to something, you know, of mine to be able to access all the information that I have I want to be able to give that information up, you know, willingly I don't want that ever stolen or someone to access it without my consent, right?
Or unwillingly take that information or read that information without my knowledge So a lot of it is comes down to privacy and just protecting, you know, your privacy So we all know privacy is a basic human right, you know, like I can go in the bushes and take a fee and that's privacy Right, the same thing kind of applies to you know what I do on my computer like hey If I'm you know If I have this text file that has all these super secret thoughts and you know in my head that I want to you know Just say in my head and on my computer, which is you know, just an extension of my brain Which is one of the big arguments, right? Like well, it's just an extension of myself, right? These are just ideas that are in my head and if I could keep them in my head I would and then I wouldn't give them up without you know consent but they're not in my head They're on the computer because the computer is an extension of my head You have whatever, but basically it's just protecting your privacy and making sure that people don't get access to things that they shouldn't have access to Without you knowing I hate to sound like a broken record, but I don't you know, this is one of those weird ones where I don't personally have anything to hide, right? There's but it isn't about that the principle is is um that you know Everyone has a right to that privacy no matter if you do have something to hide or you don't and it you know I don't want to say you know There are really deep dark arguments about you know Like oh terrorism or national security and those sort of things that you know a lot of times kind of become like buzzwords in this argument But you know, I think it's really important to say that you know, we can't You know give up these you know basic human rights for the few that are going to abuse them and so for me The encryption is something that seems like it should be a basic right and that's something that You know it you there are ways in which we can still use the legal system to you know get to people who are misusing technology and misusing These platforms and you know, yes, it may be harder, but It's for the greater good of the rest of us that you know this sort of Technology exists.
So I personally I'm a big supporter of it and I won't crypt anything I pretty much can encrypts you know, and so If I Don't see any meaningful performance change for me. It's a win-win And I think for a lot of people the best kind of encryption is the encryption that they don't have to interact with or even know that they use And so you know for a lot of you know millions and millions and millions of iPhones and and that are just walking around People don't even know it's encrypted. And so that's that's really kind of the best kind of encryption that we have So I'm not to say that all this stuff is like never can be cracked or never can there could always be issues But you know, it's it doesn't matter That there sometimes could be a bug and something it's more about the fact that it was there from the beginning and that's the the values that you know, any of these companies you interact with are are willing to put their customer privacy ahead of the You know governments that rule the world. Yeah And I think you bring up a good point is like well, they're gonna be bad actors And let's say bad actors can use this as a way to hide themselves right or hide the things that they want to do and you can Fear is the worst argument you can have with encryption because beer just brings out All of the worst the worst qualities in people where yeah, we're afraid and we want to know everything But is knowing everything going to fix the problem, right?
Bad actors, you know, they they've been using encryption since before it was a consumer, you know feature They they've been using that in the military for a long time, you know, encryption has just been kind of a way of life and Of course, it's going to be the people who have something to hide are going to be the ones to use it But now it's it's the same as locking the door, you know, the front door at night to you know Make sure no one can come into your house without your permission, right? It's it's basically the same thing what it boils down to is just an extension of your your rights and I like how you put it I know it sounds like a broken record But you know being a basic human right to have some form of privacy now means we have to think about that in terms of everything that personally identifies to us Right now that wasn't a big problem when all the you know stuff that you carried was in your house And you could lock your house and you could get into your house unless they had the key, right? It was a very you know basic concept But now we talk about you know devices that we carry with us everywhere that are unlocked by a fingerprint or unlocked by our face now or All these other things and we hold so much more on those devices and the more information that we started holding in them The more important it became to protect information that was on there and much like people do in houses Right where they have a safe and that safe, you know holds all the important things, you know, it's all held under walking key It's like well now you need to do the same with your digital information and since you're carrying around that with you You know or it's on a computer or it's on a vessel That's easily you know taken and until recently easily basically taken apart and scraped and had all that information, you know Taken off or read, you know by someone It's it's important now It's it's something that companies realize that people actually want and they're always going to be people that will disagree with that And say that if you don't have anything to hide why do you have to encrypt it? But that's not the argument It's like I'm not saying I have something to hide I just feel this is important information that I don't want other people to have and that argument comes down to like hey Do you have a social security number?
Yeah, it's like what would you tell that to me? No, okay Well, you want that private is a social security number written down anywhere is it on a form on your computer Yeah, well, do you think I should have access to that? Well, no Well cool, then you have a right to privacy and you have a right to you know not have someone just look through all that information but I think the ramifications side I think is like hey, you know, if we don't get on the privacy family I guess what luckily now I think most of that argument is shaking out so where yeah people have a right to privacy But I wouldn't want someone being able to read my information Like I said, I don't know anything to hide. I'm a dad with you know three kids a wife I live in California, you know, I work for a tech company But I don't have anything to hide but I see I see the benefit of having something to be private and knowing that if My computer is turned off or stolen or whatever people can't read the information that's on there And like I said, that's just it'll help you sleep better at night and that's all I really want Yeah, it's uh, sleep better night is definitely something that you know, just kind of Comes out to me.
It's like, you know, it's something that stands out I definitely sleep at our night knowing that you know, there's monetary value to my data That's on any any piece of technology and there's monetary value to the hardware itself But knowing that even if something terrible would happen and that was stolen It's all protected. You know, I mean, it wouldn't be the end of the world if it was deleted. It's it's um You know, there's there's nothing that they're gonna be able to get that's going to be able to come back and hurt me He has like I don't care if it burns down, you know, it's like as long as people don't have access to it As long as I'm the only one or only people I throw my computer off a building for all I care. So uh, I guess the Age old question is when it comes to encryption, you know, you and I use password managers And so we we in theory never have to reset a password in theory and um, I understand that's probably You know, we've probably both come across some password in our password manager at some point that we was wrong and we did have to reset it but when This sort of thing happens.
There's essentially a recovery key or some sort of extra key that you have to have to be able to Prove that you are who you are and therefore there is a way to reset the password for your account or or whatever and What that leaves is sort of there's almost like a man in the middle between you and the Um, data that is that is on the server and that the company you have to have the trust in whatever company that is that they You know, aren't um in there mucking about in your own data. So my question to you is sort of do you Look at recovery keys is a good thing Personally and do you look at recovery keys as a good thing? Overall for society because I mean I think your answer may differ a little bit between those two I think recovery keys are kind of Something that has had to exist because people are forgetful, right? And if you lose something there has to be another way for you to get access to that It's very much like if your identity is stolen, right?
You have to be able to prove that you are who you are and usually that takes more than just one thing It's one thing to say like hey, you know, here's the keys to my house This is my house and it's another thing to say like oh, well, someone stole my keys But here I have the deed to my house to prove that this is my house, right? So And you can always get new keys made, right? But you still have to prove ownership somehow So I see recovery keys being just another factor that just identifies you are the owner of this data And I think that has to exist especially in a consumer space because otherwise what's the solution? The solution is like, well, you don't get access to your stuff So sorry, you forgot that one password that we told you never to forget but uh, yep tough cookies, you know So I think it's a good thing Because it's necessary.
So I guess good in the sense that It's a feature that needs to be there I don't know if I want to say recovery keys are valid in every sense, right? I think there are cases where recovery keys Should not be applicable, right? Let's say that hey, you know, this is a one shot, you know, you get this and if you lose this this is gone It is gone forever and that information is gone forever, right? I think that there are those kind of like self-destructs kind of uh applications that need to exist But I don't think that that's a society thing I think that's more of an individualized application thing and something that can be worked out at that level But I think recovery keys like I said for the consumer just the average consumer they need to exist And the question I have is well, all right So we have those recovery keys now How do we ensure that those are stored properly?
Because it's one thing to take your recovery key and print it on a piece of paper and put it in a safe So where when you forget your password, you have to go open the safe and take out your recovery key But that's not convenient. What's more convenient than that? Oh, let's just put it in the cloud And I don't know how you feel about recovery keys in the cloud I have feelings and my feelings might surprise you, but I'm curious what yours are Yeah, I mean, I so recovery keys I kind of tend to agree Let me back up first and just say that you know, I think they're a necessary evil as much as I would prefer they almost not be a necessary evil and that everything was sort of self-destruct if you didn't know your password I understand that that's like unrealistic and that's kind of a very Sort of way of thinking about things that's just not possible in today's day and age so I mean people forget stuff all the time so But as far as heck I forgot to do the future Rama Simpson's lineup thing God, can you imagine if like I accidentally forgot, you know that and just couldn't get access to anything and my life would be over Yeah, but you know in terms of your question about recovery keys in the cloud, I mean I I don't know I I cringe when I see people put recovery keys and things like notes or something like that And then think those sort of things because all it takes is for you to sort of not have access to You know physical access to all of your electronics even for a couple of seconds and and boom You know, someone has you know the keys to the kingdom if you will but um and really the key to the kingdom starts with your email I mean if they get your email your the rest is kind of you know, you can reset a lot of stuff from there so and the The thing that I think all that stuff with is one password and I know we've talked about this before on the show And so my recover keys are I guess in the cloud to a degree But they're behind something else that is encrypted and and you know is also something that um I use the password that is not used anywhere else. So, you know, there's a A responsibility that comes with you know using an application like that So I don't know I put them in the cloud, but I cringe when I see people put them in less secure things in the cloud Yeah, my favorite is when they say write this recovery key down like oh and then they just copy it onto a note Just a local note on the computer.
That's encrypted So yeah, because that's gonna do a lot of good when you forget the password and catch it on a computer Yep, that's exactly where you want to put it. Let's just put it right on that computer, right? Uh, that's my favorite one. Well, can I just save it here?
No, what happens when this computer goes away? You can't save it there if this computer is not there How are you gonna get access to your data or if you forget how to turn on the computer The computer doesn't turn on because you don't have the password or the key to unlock it Well, the keys on the computer is like so you locked yourself out of your house like I get it happens But why didn't you put a spare key somewhere? We told you to put a spare key somewhere, but spare keys somewhere um I think recovery keys on the cloud have their place and it's very convenient in the sense that you said people are Forgiful and when they first introduced recovery keys, there wasn't a way to store them in the cloud So there wasn't this you know other failover mechanism And I'm sure the reason that there is now a failover mechanism to store them in the cloud is because people forgot People didn't write them down or they threw the piece of paper away or they couldn't find where it was and now all their stuff is gone But just like anything else Hey, you got a couple more pieces of information to prove who you are or who you say you are and this is your stuff We'll let you back in. So I think it's a good thing for consumers And I'll tell you this is that I do store some of my encryption keys in the cloud Um, I do store them in one password, which is already encrypted So I don't know if that necessarily counts as a cloud because that database is encrypted by a separate password completely separate So sure you can say that my encrypted data that's already encrypted in transit and at rest Has my recovery key for the other encrypted content where this is also encrypted man You got encryption inception going on here and uh, but I use things in the cloud I think Well lately I've been going down the dark path of like hey, I'm taking care of myself and making sure that I can live to you know, Be you know watch my kids get married and watch my daughters walk down the aisle and see grandkids and all that stuff But in the event something was to happen to me I also have to be able to say like hey everyone needs to be able to get all of myself So having the recovery keys be somewhere else in case Let's say something happens to me and somebody happens to the house that I'm in and something happens to you instructions That I've left with you know the uh, the executive the will and all that kind of stuff then Well, shit, you know just go to the cloud and hope that they're there So one more way for people to recover stuff after I'm gone, but only for family.
Yeah, that's um Understandable and I mean It's a tough area because you know, how do you uh, how do you manage that sort of stuff when? I mean these issues aren't aren't easy to sort of think up the the Process because I mean you don't want to have printed copies and stuff laying around everywhere But at the same time it needs to be easily accessible and I think the cloud kind of gives you that Intermediate, you know, uh best of both worlds, you know, I don't have to maintain a printed copy of everything everywhere But at the same time I don't have to have a you know, uh Lock myself out of my own house methodology Um, so that's uh, that's understandable So I guess the the last thing I wanted to kind of ask of you is sort of where do you think we're headed? Where do you think encryption goes from here and do you think things like? You know email will get encryption and do you think you know future messaging platforms are Likely to sort of just come with encryption as a uh, as a, you know, basic defacto standard or And and how do we uh improve, um, you know encryption across just all mediums that we use I think uh as far as the future goes Encryption is kind of it's been around for a long time and they're adding all these these features in and To to make it easier for people to live with encryption or have encryption without really knowing that they have encryption And why why would someone do that?
It's because they want to see everything encrypted So I think where we'll head to is people will start to consider encryption not just being like Something to protect themselves, but they'll also view a platform or a service that does not use encryption As kind of a turnoff or they'll see encryption as a selling point or a value, you know in any service or application So once people start kind of trending towards that which people already kind of are right Especially with you know all the stuff that's come out recently just with how data is handled and who can get a hold of your data And what that really means I think you'll have a lot more proponents of encryption being baked into everything that they have in their lives or every service that they interact with in their lives I mean we can look at what credit cards did right when online wallets became a thing and it's like, okay Now you're storing your credit card somewhere, you know, I was like, well, I don't want to do that And we've seen you know Places like Target Home Depot, you know where the credit card systems are hacked and people get access to your name and your credit card info and your address And well, that's pretty shitty So now there are ways of kind of like protecting you from that like adding a layer of encryption So to speak, it's not necessarily encryption, but it is a different way to mask your information So on our basic definition it is encryption, but now they have ways to do that with digital wallets, right? You look at any contactless payments now is they're not using your actual credit card number They're using a device number and that's not identifiable back to the actual credit card or they can't use that device number again It's a single use thing So it's just another way of protecting you But I think the more people start to see encryption as not just like a value add But like a mandatory feature that needs to be added in all products or something that needs to be there for them to You know purchase something As a consumer being like I need to have this this is a must-have on my list I think that just means go that encryption will be commonplace in everything and people will basically have Like I said sleep better at night knowing that their information is private to them And they're only giving it up to people that they want to give it up to and if a device is stolen or something else happens Or a company is hacked whatever it is their encryption is not a risk then and I think that will help everyone and once we see that You know, it will just be Each is in green, you know Yeah, you know, I think in a lot of ways what you said just it resonates with me because I think about where we are with encryption today kind of like Where today sits with with cloud syncing, you know, we just a lot of us today won't even entertain an app or or service If it doesn't have that component to it I mean I wouldn't buy for example a recipe app if it didn't sync between my iPhone and my iPad It just would be silly to me to input all the data one and it not automatically be able to you know go over to the other and I think about, you know, thinking of photos and thinking of, you know, reminders and you know, for example, I'm going to focus on things like that It's these sort of Fundamental things just come with software today and if they don't have that sort of thing, it's It's discredited from the start, you know, and I really hope to see companies street this stuff in the future as just a de facto You know standard that needs to be there. I'd like to see more organizations kind of and standards bodies push for this sort of encryption across the industry as a standard and I think the biggest glaring, you know, overhauled that I foresee and I something we didn't really talk about but um is The the phone system that you know connects all the phone networks together on the back end which is called SS seven, you know, is used for voice and uh and SMS, you know that that system is creaky and old and developed way before, you know, modern times but It was never developed with security in mind and unfortunately it can be exploited and that is a scary scary thought so I really hope the future holds encryption across the board and You know bigger uh encryption, um, you know keys so that way, you know, we sort of get to points where Compute time is is you know, it for all intents of purposes infinite, you know, I mean we want to get to the point where You know, we're talking about, you know, 10,000 years for something to be guessed so that that's that's the right time scale So I really hope we get there and I honestly don't think we're far away from it. Um, I don't know about you But I don't think we're far away.
I think we're closer than we think Yeah, I think um, we're married a couple years, you know, but um, we'll see we'll see so anyway, uh, do you have anything uh? I'll see what uh like to add here. I think for our Was it 50,000 foot view whatever terminology they use of what this is and kind of what it means and Where it stands today? I think I think that's good.
I think this is this is always odd because it's the topic that you know You can dig so far into and there's so much for every audience, right? There's there's the encryption for someone who's never talked about encryption and there's encryption for someone who even, you know, knows about Sifers and actual, you know hashing algorithms and things like that like there's something to talk out on every level and much more with encryption I think it's it's interesting and every aspect to anyone, right? It's interesting to know how encryption works, you know, and it's interesting to know what encryption is So I think just the the farther you dig into it the more interesting it becomes but I I was really hesitant to you know kind of like do this topic because we could get so far lost in the weeds and I know myself like There are a couple of times where I would go through and as I start talking it's like, oh, well I really want to talk about this and this but it's like, okay Well, no, you gotta keep it keep it at that 50,000 foot view like I don't want to dig too far into something But like I said, I think we I covered what we wanted to cover in terms of a general overview Cool, so I guess in a little bit of wrap up I think we should just say that you know, we may at some point in the future here kind of do a a more low level Pass of encryption and you know, I that talk is gonna be very different than this one In the sense that it's gonna get down into weeds and we may dive into that stuff a little bit more in and if we do It's gonna require a lot more work on our end. I know it's something that I I am not gonna be nearly as intimately familiar and I know even you Adam are probably gonna that's gonna stretch your mind It's gonna stretch my mind for sure Yeah, it's it's something like I said, it's it's really interesting that further you dig down But the further you dig down the more that there is to To talk about and the more that there is to kind of digest and how do you bring that into something that's entertaining to listen to?
And I think that's gonna be a tough part because we're not that entertaining to begin with Now if we start talking about ones and zeros, you know, exclusively and how to flip bits and you know how to salt your hash and all that Good stuff. I think people are gonna come through now. Yeah, you can only hear us talk about Solving hashes and for perfect forward secrecy and all that crap for so long. So before you just tune us out So maybe it's a good sleep podcast, right?
No, maybe this will be like the sleep episode which is titled it like want to go to sleep play me So in some other news this week, I so the I don't have expected you to have seen this at all because the win this particular television ad Was aired this week was during the NBA finals and I know you well enough to know that you don't ever Watch sports, right? I mean you didn't make an exception this week. Did you? What sports, huh?
There was a finals this week. Yeah, so so anyway, um, the During this week facebook released kind of like a a television ad that I'm gonna find for you here in just a second and send you the link to but um, it was interesting because the ad went through sort of a it was a Almost like an apology to some degree of you know, hey, we we messed up we could have done better and We are working to change the platform and I thought this was really really interesting given our conversation about how they're kind of getting grilled right now So I just thought that I would do. I'm curious. You can spend a minute.
Well, we'll do a little jeopardy again and and I'm curious if you want to Give me your thoughts on this. This already feels like a desperate attempt for a boyfriend who got caught cheating to get back with his girlfriend Oh, they already mentioned x how nice a little less alone dude. They are Who's narrating this? I don't know.
I'm a narrator. I honestly played. Oh, man That was it was a painful video if you ask me it just feels like pandering like just shameful pandering like Crawling on hands and knees to get back together with you know back in the good graces of all the people using the platform Because yeah, they've been dragged through the button. They've been exposed for not doing great things, but this this ad just makes me feel like Facebook I caught you cheating like you got caught and you admitted it You admitted that you did something wrong and now you're just trying to say like I'm gonna be better I'm gonna do better like give me a second chance.
Don't worry like we're gonna we're gonna take care of each other Like we're meant to be together and it's like oh Just go away lock Yeah, I I don't know. I feel like in a lot of ways PR wise this ad almost did them more hurt than just not airing this ad at all Um But it's uh, it felt slimy. I saw it and I you know given the the conversations we've had about them already I felt it was something that I should show you and uh, uh, I feel like Yeah, it's it's something where all the tech people who know about what it was and knew what facebook was doing Are going to see this just like we saw it. I was like, okay.
Yeah, nice try like we get what you did, right? But is the company or you know, the general consumer going to see this and like oh I saw facebook on the news and they had to testify before congress and you know all this data got, you know lost in Well, maybe that's what they needed. They now they're gonna be better about it now They're going to make a full shift, you know, like maybe this is what those people need just every assurance And I'm sure you know there are tons of smart people at facebook Um, well at least we like to assume so I mean with these people, you know, leaving APIs open and just letting everyone access your data Which I guess was their business model for a long time, but hey, uh, I'm assuming there are a lot of smart people there and They probably ran this ad by a bunch of people like you said PR definitely ran this through its paces and so like well We found that in target audiences, you know, it's 90% effective in people, you know, seeing facebook as humanized or you know Shedding some light is or some hope into using our platform and knowing that we're going to try to do the right thing from now on So I'm sure that for some people, you know, or for a lot of people who haven't followed it or maybe haven't really Even taken this into account right or looked at how facebook, you know, has utilized it over the years We'll see this and say hey, you know facebook they messed up they said they messed up and now they're gonna do right by it So a lot of people that's humanizing and for a nameless company, you know, that's it's a good thing to see so I can say nice try PR like didn't work on me, you know, like I didn't like facebook before if the whole thing happened So I wasn't the target audience for this but maybe the target audience really likes it we should ask a poll of a bunch of people Yeah, the problem is I feel like I need to ask a poll of people that are like 40 to 70 not, you know younger because what The younger crowd I think is gonna see through this a little bit. Well, you see more of that crowd than I do I'll find all the people that are in the nursing homes are out in, uh, you know The neck of the woods where the retirees live in southern, California.
Just go wine tasting on a Tuesday, you know, then that's what you'll find them Uh, yeah, so anyway, um, so I saw you put this link in here about uh overcast doing uh anonymous accounts Yeah, did you see that? Yeah, I did see it. I um, I clicked a client to be honest Oh, I went anonymous. Like why not?
Like let's see if this works Hopefully all my thinking doesn't break. Whoo. The only thing that that doesn't um You know deterred me from it was I do use the upload feature to the website So that's that doesn't work when you go anonymous. Oh, well, that I guess makes sense, right?
Like to have an account to store something on a server. You can't really It's easier to say like, hey, this person here's their their sync, you know hash and this means this is all the stuff they have synced in whatever But it's another aspect entirely to say Well, I uploaded something. I'm an anonymous user who uploaded something to the service. So Yeah, I mean, I'm reading my uh, you need a budget, uh, book right now on uh overcast.
So I'd upload that so You're reading it. I mean, I guess listening to it. Well, I'm listening quotes air quotes air quote reading Yeah, air quote reading. That's that's for sure I think that's you know funny that we're talking about this and just kind of jock my memory about that because I think I opened overcast this morning You know because I was using yesterday and I didn't notice and I opened up this morning and I was like, huh Oh anonymous and I looked at a little bit.
I'm like, why not? So then I click the button and I haven't checked my phone against sense. So who knows but I think that's when we talked about the future of you know, what does encryption hold right and it's privacy and that's Private part of privacy is being anonymous, you know So something like even overcast moving to an anonymous Thinking system where you're not represented by an email and a password or an account you're represented by This anonymous number and it doesn't trace back to an individual I think that's very forward thinking in terms of being even offered as a service, right? It'd be one thing to give people a choice like, hey Do you want to have a personalized experience?
You know where you know, we track what you listen to and do all these other things to serve you better recommendations all off facebook Or would you like to you know, just use the platform and remain anonymous and we'll still let you use all the features that are there And let you you know sync things just to your devices, but we won't try to recommend you stuff We won't look at your your information. We won't use your your data to make things better Which I'm sure there is still a caveat there that they do but I think that's a great choice like People like having choices. We all know this right no one wants a one-stop shop Which is why facebook is like so icky to a lot of us like well, where else can I go? Is the question that comes up?
It's like well, no where it's like well, then I don't want to do that But if you don't feel good about the one choice, but if there are multiple choices then everybody wins Yeah, that's um, anonymity's big man. It's uh, I I definitely will give any service or um, you know business kudos when I can when I can say anonymous so Um, so I guess in a little bit more uh light-hearted and deviating away from our uh, our uh encryption and and sort of uh topic ideas Is that uh, we have some uh some changes happening and I know you talked a little bit last week about I knew uh podcast on horizon, but uh, but also it kind of means we're looking to change the name of the show because uh You will uh creative genius is gonna gonna morph itself into more of a network, huh? Yeah, so I have a blog about this which will which will go on the site sometime in the future, but essentially Creative genius when we started it it was a very simple name for a fairly simple podcast in it It just symbolizes, you know, these two people coming together and with very different ideas and having a conversation about that topic And you know that was with one of the original hosts, which is no longer on the podcast So the creative genius has grown and in that it's grown a lot In terms of what we talk about right like even if you listen to the first episode Which is painful to do because it's just a Skype or a call so thanks Adam for doing that Uh, if you listen to that it's it's very different. It's It's a different show than it is now and with that and you know with changes to adding shows and kind of having a bigger vision in mind it it was time to utilize that name properly and I think in my opinion the only fitting way to do that was to Basically have that be the umbrella that we we put all these these podcasts under because creative genius kind of just meant that It meant different people coming together and discussing a variety of topics and our tech podcast here When you say creative genius to that doesn't really it doesn't really mean anything It doesn't it doesn't give any warm fuzzy feelings or it doesn't have that connection Like it used to you when we originally had the idea so yeah, so changes there will be some creative genius will we'll live on but Not as this podcast.
It will be more it will be an all-encompassing kind of family of podcasts So there'll be more details on that kind of you know mentioned casual dad's coming up But we also have more ideas in the future for a variety of other topics Right just kind of all honoring that tradition of different people coming together to discuss a common topic Um, but I think with that it means that our little podcast here with our tech love needs to uh rebrand a little bit So I know Lou you have mentioned many times you are not creative at all So I don't think I can task you with this. Yeah, let's just face it You tried asking me with this nothing came of this. So yeah, I failed. I got enough I kind of want to look at the uh the names that actually did come across because I know you messaged me one and I was like what?
It was bad. It was really really really bad and yeah, I mean we talked about this you know being creative is just like it's a gene I didn't get I don't know where where it got lost, but man. It's rough in my world Yeah, and I I have also struggled to find something so kind of with that We are opening it up to suggestions to people we're still going to you know continue searching for that perfect name But if you have a suggestion of you know a good name for this tech podcast, that's not already another tech podcast Or not already taken by some other tech entity. We'd love to hear it.
So you can always send your suggestions to Uh the website if you go to contact you can fill out the contact form there It's creative genius cast calm and hit the contact button or you can tweet at myself or lu Or even the cgfm at cgfm podcast. You can we that was there So I guess what what's up twitter handle at cgfm or is it at cgfm cast? I always forget See now i'm trying to do like a live ad read type thing and I've stuck at these No, it's um, so it is the cgfm cast. So you have that correct.
Oh, that's right. We talked about getting a new one Uh, we'll do that Before anyone listens to that so someone doesn't trust squat on the twitter handle Um, so yeah, but just tweet at us at cgfmcast or like I said go to creative geniuscast.com if not the contact form We're just looking for some suggestions for names for this tech podcast Which is just two tech enthusiasts getting together and one berating the other for usually an hour to an hour and a half Yep, that so yeah, I mean, there's got to be a good name in there somewhere, right, you know I mean berate tech, you know In combines with things together I'm sure there's more creative people out there and that's a problem like it's like i'm not that creative Like we stumbled upon the last name and that was like one of those gems where like oh my god This is perfect. This makes so much sense and then it's like, okay. Well, that doesn't make sense So what do we do now?
I don't know something Anybody out there in uh marcom because uh, yeah, I'm not so Okay, no win to call for help. I think is the yeah the lesson here. Yeah, definitely true Anyway, uh with that I think we're gonna call it a week and uh, I guess I will uh talk to you next week Yeah, sounds good I haven't seen drop box like hop up in the uh in the process list in a long time And I denied access to like all of the other like system accessibility extensions and stuff that it wants to do It's like yeah, because it wants accessibility access all the focus time Drop box isn't gonna work right if you don't do this I don't care all I want you to do is work in the background Like I don't even want to know you exist shut the fuck up drop box and just goddamn sink Do your stupid sink do the one thing you're actually good at sink Skype is definitely one of those that would be like next to go on my list, but we need it You know, I feel okay with classics guy like I'm still feeling okay with classics guy I mean the new skype. Oh, I just felt like I needed a shower after I every time I launched I think I'm like, oh gross What they have we gaming consoles?
Oh, I'm talking about that. They're looking at the library site Yeah, I could get a we at my local library. I'll be granted. All right, you know how to pay for it Adam.
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