EPISODE · Jun 23, 2026 · 22 MIN
#057 The Perfectionist and the People Pleaser
from Sit Around the Fire · host Ashlea Dillard
Once upon a time, there was a girl named Ashlea. She was good at everything, she was the one who kept everyone okay, and from the outside she looked like she had it all figured out. She was also exhausted all the time and had no idea who she actually was.In this solo episode, I'm telling that story — mine, and maybe yours too — and unpacking the two survival patterns that ran my life for a long time: perfectionism and people pleasing. We're not treating these like bad habits you need more discipline to break. We're looking at them the way they actually work: as nervous system strategies your body learned to keep you safe.We get into perfectionism as a flight response — the foot-on-the-gas, plan-for-everything, control-it-all way of trying to outrun threat — and why it leaves you frozen and exhausted at the same time. Then we get into people pleasing as the fawn response: the gazelle who pours tea for the lion to make the threat go away, and the quiet, devastating cost of that — the masks, the lost preferences, the disappearing self.And then we turn toward the way out. Because here's the thing you've heard me say before, and I'll keep saying it: you're not broken. You've been programmed. And programming can be rewritten.What we coverWhy your nervous system is a prediction machine — and how the "what-ifs" are a survival system doing its jobPerfectionism as flight: control as a strategy to make the world feel safeWhy perfectionism keeps you stuck, indecisive, and exhausted with your foot on the gasWhy a small mistake can feel like an identity-level emergencyPeople pleasing as fawn: befriending the threat instead of fighting or fleeing itThe real cost of people pleasing — the loss of self, the masks, not knowing what you even likeHow these patterns get wired early, before we have language or choiceWhy we keep recreating the exact situations and relationships that reinforce themThe turn: thanking the pattern, sending your nervous system the memo, and living from the future forwardCampfire reflection for this weekWhere in your life are you still running a strategy that you don't need anymore?Tiny experiment: pick one low-stakes place this week and let it be imperfect on purpose, or let yourself have the unpopular preference. Then notice that you survived it. That's a rep.Connect & go deeperNervous system work, hypnotherapy, and coaching: ashleadillard.comMore episodes and resources: sitaroundthefire.orgShare this episode with someone who's always been "the strong one."
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