1.5 - Sukkah Daf 02 B (17 lines Dn)

Today’s learning sponsoredfor a refuah shleima for אלישע בן עישהSponsor a day's learning (thousands of minutes!) for only $72 click herehttps://www.flipcause.com/secure/cause_pdetails/ODUwOTU=Why is a Sukkah possul when its schach is higher than 20 amos?1. Rabbah: They need to be able to see the schach as it states “your generations should know”.2. Rabbi Zeira: A sukkah must provide shade, as it states “A sukkah by day to shade”.3. Rava: A temporary dwelling is only up until 20 amos. A sukkah must be temporary as it states “You should dwell in the sukkah”.SummaryQuestion: Which of the three reasons accounts for the statement of Rav Chanan bar Rabbah quoting Rav?Rav Chanan bar Rabbah quoting Rav: The Chachomim agree to Rabbi Yehuda (1.1) that a high sukkah is kosher in a case where the sukkah’s area is greater than 7x7 tefachim* [‘a size that fits his head, most of his body, and a small table’. (In the olden days people would eat while reclining on couches and there would be a small tefach-sized table near each couch)].Answer: None. [According to Rabbah, you still can’t see the schach. According to Rabbi Zeira, it’s still too high to provide shade. According to Rava, You still need to build sturdy walls].Three amoraim quoted Rav differently in limiting the machlokes between Rabbi Yehuda (a sukkah higher than 20 amos is kosher) and the Chachomim (it is possul) in our mishna (1.1).Rabbi Yoshiya (in accordance with Rabbah’s explanation) made it dependent on whether the walls reach the schach (1.4).Rav Huna (in accordance with Rabbi Zeira’s explanation) made it dependent on whether the area is greater than four square amos (1.4).Rav Chanan bar Rabbah made it dependent on whether the area is greater than seven square tefachim.Suggestion: Rabbi Yoshiya doesn’t discuss the area of the sukkah*, but since Rav Huna and Rav Chanan bar Rabbah discuss the area of the sukkah, it would seem that *they argue about the minimal area required for a sukkah. Rav Huna holds it must be 4x4 amos, while Rav Chanan bar Rabbah holds it must be 7x7 tefachim.Response: Not necessarily. It may be that Rav Huna agrees that a sukkah with an area of 7x7 tefachim is kosher, only that up until 4x4 amos it’s possul if it’s higher than 20 amos [the Chachomim do not agree with Rabbi Yehuda because the shade is too high to affect the small area below].________* Tosfos: A tall and narrow sukkah would resemble a chicken coop. Once it’s a bit wider, it no longer resembles a chicken coop and may be considered a sukkah.* We have presented the gemara according to the version of *Tosfos See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate