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114: Confused About Batman

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Over the last month, Hank and John have been on the road going to cities all across America. Every stop, they did a short episode of Dear Hank and John, and some of those got recorded. Then Hank edited some of the best of those moments into this podcast. How do I promote my guinea pig's Instagram? Is it cold in space? When did you first feel successful? And Many Other Questions Answered!​ Email us: [email protected] patreon.com/dearhankandjohn If you're in need of dubious advice, email us at [email protected]. Join us for monthly livestreams at patreon.com/dearhankandjohn. Follow us on Twitter! twitter.com/dearhankandjohn

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It's a podcast about comedy and death. We're two brothers give you to be a advice and answer your questions and bring you all the weeks news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon. I forgot to look at Mars news I just realized now. You usually ask me how I'm doing.

How are you doing John? I'm just going to keep giving you prompts the whole time. I'm well we are home from our tour. It was a whirlwind month together on the bus.

It was magical. It was long. It was wonderful. I'm glad to be sleeping in the same bed every night and back together with my family.

So Hank you know what I've been doing the last few days? I've been clearing honeysuckle from my backyard. Honey Suckle is an invasive bush and I have been clearing it with an axe and a machete and it feels great. Hank the good news is there is so much honeysuckle in Central Indiana.

I might become the Johnny Appleseed of destroying honeysuckle. All right the reverse Johnny honeysuckle. Johnny honeysuckle that's what they're going to call me. This may be what I devote my life to because I have found the last four or five days to be so magnificently clarifying.

I have no desire to do anything other than clear honeysuckle from the world. You may be unsurprised to hear that I have been in a lot of meetings over the last over the last four days instead of doing what you're doing. Talking to people about all the things that I missed while I was out of town and doing a bunch of SciShow videos and doing an eonshoot today and Dear Hake John today, that did our foundation to decrease world suck board meetings this morning and talking about the pran and for awesome and how that's going to go. We're talking about pizza mists and talking about DFTPI.

Talking about VidCon. Talking about VidCon. Talking about all the things. I feel like if I had a honeysuckle problem in my yard it would be the worst honeysuckle problem any yard has ever had.

Well good news Hank you have a brother who is more than happy to fly to Missoula and take care of that honeysuckle. I won't go to any of those meetings that all sounds horrible. I am so glad when I hear you say that I'm just so glad that you demoted to me. I'm so glad to be reporting to you and no longer to be a co-boss with you.

As my boss by the way I need to ask for another week off so I can clear some more honeysuckle. You know you take all the time you need John. That's what I needed to hear and also what I required to hear otherwise I would acquit. Hank let's answer some questions from my listeners.

By the way I enjoy doing this on the phone with you. Real life is fun. It's a little intense though. Especially when there's 1200 people watching.

It's not so much not having you in the room. It's not having all of them. That's so true. Hank this first question comes from Alice who writes Dear John and Hank my brother-in-law and I have been puzzling over a question for a while now and I would be very grateful if you could give us an answer.

What is the smallest part of the body you can be a doctor in? Temposy Dax-Rih-Rum, Alice. That's good. What's the largest part of the body you can be a doctor in?

Let's start there. Well it's the way the question was phrased made me think about the movie Inner Space where people like shrunk down into being tiny people so they could be a doctor inside of someone's body. What's the smallest doctor you can be in a body part would be Inner Space at the summer question. The answer to that is Inner Space.

I think the biggest part of the body you can be a doctor in has to be Dermatology. Isn't the skin the largest human organ? Yeah. Yeah.

Well I probably, I don't know. There's also like bones. There's a lot of bones but I think because like bones don't really count as an organ but you can be like a bone doctor. You can also just be a doctor of like everything.

Like just a general practitioner system doctor of the whole body theoretically and then when you have like a more specific room they're like oh go see my friend Jeremiah he just looks at toes. Right. Or I would also argue that perhaps the largest part of the body you can be a doctor in is psychiatry because of course like you know the mind contains infinite vastnesses. Right.

I might have been that might have been too much. No that's very good. That's good. No I'm there with you John.

Okay. The smallest part of a body you can be a doctor in and bear in mind that Hank and I are both MDs before all of this YouTube stuff. We pursued our medical degrees with pastoral boards and everything and then we just gave it all up to read teleprompters. The smallest part of the body you can be a doctor in I believe has to be a gland.

Right. Like maybe the pituitary gland. Yeah how big is the pituitary? I believe it is the size of a walnut.

The pituitary gland size of space fish is the first auto complete. Well that is incorrect. It is an immigrant gland about the size of a P that weighs 0.5 grams in humans. That's very small and I bet you can be a doctor of the pituitary gland.

Do you think it'd be like a doctor of just pores? Like I'm a doctor of pores. Pores are very small. Well but you have to be a doctor of one individual poor which would be weird.

Like I'm the doctor of the poor right like the one that you always did a zit on right at the edge of your nostril. I'm like I'm the doctor of that poor. Please I need that doctor. It's always right.

I'm like the crease in the crease between my nose where my nose meets my rest my face part which is weird because he knows the party for it. You know what I mean. And it's like right in there and I don't know why it's like extra irritating there. I know what you mean mostly because I have noticed over the years that you often get astonishingly huge zits right there where you're talking about.

Well thank you so much. I'm glad at least to know that you're looking at my face a lot. So that's nice. You're welcome.

Let's include that entire pon's neck. So people would be like wait is my podcast not working? It's your turn. I can ask a question.

I just I feel like there must be something smob that you could be a doctor in. No it's the pituitary gland. It's the size of a P. I'm a small.

I'm frustrated that you got to the right answer too fast. The news is that means we can answer more questions. If you don't ask one I will. This next question it comes from JoJo who asks Dear Hank and John why do we rub our eyes when we are tired.

Wake me up before you JoJo. Oh that's a great name specific sign off. It's also a question specific sign off because they need us to wake them up because they're tired. So I mean that might be the greatest sign off in the history of Dear Hank and John which is really saying something.

Hank why do we rub our eyes when we're tired? Do you know? Here's what I will say that my view on this has changed dramatically since having a child because the like one of the first signals of like a state that my baby was in like there was crying and I knew that was like the baby was in a bad state and one of the first ones that wasn't crying was eye rubbing and I was like oh you're tired you're rubbing your eyes and yawning because you're tired and like what a useful signal thank you very much for letting me know. I'd always assumed that that was like a like a thing that we learned from cartoons was like oh you rub your eyes when you get tired like I'll tweet a bird's fire on your head when you get hit by a two by four.

No this is a thing that ingrained in humans and I had no idea until I had a baby. For the record I think Tweety Birds do kind of fly around your head when you get hit by a two by four but I read about this I actually did some research on like some people. Oh well I bet your research is gonna be wrong so I'll go ahead. It's gonna be really good Hank because it comes from Susan Blackmore psychology professor so there you go.

Tired eyes get dry and rubbing stimulates the lacrimal glands to produce more fluid. That's it that's the reason. Do you tired your eyes get dry and you press them because it makes a gland release fluid. Do you think that there's any doctors of the lacrimal gland?

Because I bet the lacrimal gland is smaller than the pituitary gland. The lacrimal gland are paired exocrine glands one for each eye that are about the size of an almond. So you're up. That's bigger than me.

No I'm wrong I'm wrong I'm wrong I'm wrong they're shaped like an almond they're smaller than an almond. I was wondering how I had a whole almond in there. Is that on a space your face? No you don't.

I bet there's somebody who just studies the lacrimal gland like Dr. Richard or Andy. You don't know you've got a lacrimal gland problem. You send to the lacrimal gland expert you just go to an eye doctor or a I don't know is this a good bit?

I might be stupid. I in general I feel like if because there's like itchiness and irritation and that might be because of the dryness it might be because you just like yeah it would probably be because of the dryness and you're just like you're sort of like scratching an itch when you rub your eyes because when you get tired you're like it itchy. There you go all right we have to question. That happens to babies and it's so cute.

It is really cute and babies don't know how cliche do they look when you're doing it. No yeah and that's part of what makes it so cute. I find whenever little kids do things that are super cliche but they're unaware of like the larger narrative arcs of the social order I find it completely adorable. And then once they learn that like this is the thing I'm supposed to do it's like oh my god stop.

Yeah no totally um that's called adolescence. This next question comes from Alice who writes Dear John and Hank I'm a by the way I'm only answering questions from Alice's today Hank. I don't know if you've noticed that it's my new policy. Well we've got a lot of questions in the archive now that we could probably actually do an episode where we only answer questions from one person's name.

I'll do Alice's and also Henry's those are the only two names I'll do here and out. Dear John and Hank I'm a primary care provider working in Canada. Oh you should talk to the other Alice. Um she had a question you might know the answer to and I see so many new babies for their first visits and subsequent visits.

Most of these visits include vaccinations against an assortment of diseases. I've had some difficulty with some parents who don't want to vaccinate their children for various reasons. I haven't yet had any success in convincing any of them that vaccinating is the way to go even after telling them all of the data. I was wondering if you have any advice on how to communicate with these kinds of people.

People who are stuck in their own thought processes and struggle to engage in other thought processes. Not in wonderland Alice. Here's the thing Alice I don't. Neither do I Alice.

I did make a video on SciShow called the Science of Anti-vaccination which is one of my favorite SciShow we've ever done that goes into the psychology of how people get stuck in those thought processes and how and like the biases that lead us to make decisions that are not ultimately in the best interests of you know the people that we love the most in the world and also the entire social order. And that's a really like this is a really hard one and it's worrying and I don't like what we find over and over again is kind of engaging people with these ideas sets them more. It like it puts them on the defensive and they start to tie it to their identity and once it's part of their identity fighting against it is like literally fighting with them. It's a battle that they are being that they are fighting to preserve themselves and that's no good.

So there was this study done recently that took a group of people who believed that tax cuts lead to higher overall federal revenue. This is a common misconception that because tax cuts for growth that growth will lead to more economic production which will be taxable and then the tax revenue will go up even though the tax rates have gone down. It's a compelling idea unfortunately it's just not true. Well if we could take the tax rate all the way down to zero the government would have infinite money.

Well I mean that is one of the ways of pointing out that it's not true. Another way is by looking at all of the tax cuts in American history. So we've seen again and again in US history that when we cut tax rates it does lead to increased economic activity people debate how much but it does which is taxable but nonetheless overall federal tax revenue goes down and so that's a really consistent story in the history of taxation in the US. And in this study they showed people this documentation and then at the end of the study people on average were more convinced than they had been before that lowering taxes leads to more overall government revenue.

And I do not know what to do about this problem. I don't think by the way it is a problem unique to people who have that particular misconception. There are probably a lot of misconceptions that I have that I also struggle to let go of in the face of evidence. And I don't know how to solve this problem.

Alice I think it is a big problem. That's why I wanted to read your question and I have no solutions. Yeah the other thing that I it's almost as if as soon as it becomes a point on which you can have an opinion people will become divided on it. And that is a thing I know that we've been talking about this on tour and on vlogbrothers.

That is part of the thing that worries me about the call to always have an opinion on everything that that the social internet I think in particular makes us feel. Because as soon as we sort of like establish an opinion it becomes part of our identity and it becomes a point of division and it and like you know a thing that used to be just like you know vaccines like fewer babies die these things are good becomes something that is a sudden political piece of contention that you know can that devalues our opinion of the expertise of doctors but also a phrase the fabric of like not just like the social order but like the tools that we use to prevent us from getting sick. And we do now see a lot more people you know children getting whipping cough and measles and all these diseases that we just shouldn't have to deal with because we have ways of preventing them. Slightly off topic.

Did you know that I had whipping cough? No really. Yeah when I was in college. No yeah I do remember that now.

Yeah I got I did get vaccinated for it but the vaccine sometimes wears off and there was a very small outbreak of whipping cough at my tiny little college. I think it was like six people and I was one of the six and I can tell you whooping cough blows like I mean it's terrible I would cough until I threw up almost every day for like a month and a half and I would be like this is so stupid and also I had a hundred degree fever for like a month and a half. I was like this is the stupidest disease I have ever had and I've had some stupid diseases over the years. So anyway yeah I'm opposed to whipping cough.

I just wanted to put that out there. One of John's opinions that he's holding on to. I'm holding on to that opinion. I am opposed to whipping cough.

I think it is a dumb disease and I think it should be eliminated from humans. Hard stop. This next question comes from NJ who asks Dear Hank and John Hank where do you find your Mars news? How can I find out more about Mars?

What websites books or magazines should I read? I love your podcast but mostly the Mars news. Where Sunblock NJ? Well thanks for your question NJ.

You'll love my new podcast is just all Mars news. No. I find my Mars news in the same places that you find regular news. I do it.

I got a new phone recently and it's disturbingly good at knowing what my interests are. So for example just because my brother is John Green it's always showing me the scores of the AFC Wimbledon games and there's always always somewhere on that front page. Sometimes there's stories about shirts because I run a merchandise company so it knows that I'm into shirts. So recently I started getting news articles about shirt companies or like shirt science.

I think it's going to be reporting to you like what are the cotton prices for today? Yeah totally. Which would be great. I'd be into that.

But yeah it's also always throw in Mars news at me. So since I got this phone if I've sort of had an easier time finding the Mars news it just sort of comes to me when I'm tired of looking at Twitter and I swipe to the left and suddenly I'm confronted with you know bumbers some bumbers but also usually some Mars news. But yeah there's a few great science websites out there. University Today is one that I go to a lot.

Scientific American has always been my favorite science publication and so I will sometimes go to Scientific American and search for Mars and see if they've got anything for me. But also just go to Google News and search Mars and then get rid of all the stories about Bruno Mars and Mars Corporation and you're left with stories about Mars. Hank you're disturbingly intelligent phone reminded me of something which is that there is a pretty widespread conspiracy theory that maybe isn't a conspiracy theory about how our phones are listening to us even when we are not aware of the fact that they're listening to us and we think of them as being off and that maybe it's using stuff that we say to target our advertising. So I just want to take this opportunity to say to everyone who's listening to Dear Hank and John I am really struggling with the question of whether tide detergent is worth it.

Is it really different from generic brands? Are there other forms of laundry detergent like all or cheer that might be better for my family than tide detergent? I'm just going to see if anything happens as a result of that. Everybody just play that part of the podcast out loud so that your phone is hearing John talk and report back to us if you get a lot of other detergent acts.

Alexa slash Facebook slash Google slash Twitter slash some company that you don't even know exists and that you didn't put on your phone but it's still there. Things of that. I just I'm just thinking about whether or not I'm going to start using a different detergent. I think it's time for me to consider changing my detergent to a different laundry detergent there.

I think we've got it. I mean if it can be done we did it. It's like that time that I accidentally on purpose ordered many copies of the fault in our stars by saying on the podcast day Alexa I'm not going to say the rest of it because people got so actually unjustified we mad at me. It's not you're using your power for bad John.

All right. Hey this next question comes from Libby who asks Dear John and Hank peeing in the shower fine. Thank you Libby. I mean it's your shower.

Well or is it? Well if it isn't it's not fine. Don't pee on anyone else's anything except toilet water. Hank this is one of many questions I don't have to look at in my own personal life because of baths.

Thank God for baths which have solved so many problems for me including a problem of whether it's okay to pee in the shower because one thing is for certain it's not okay to pee in the bath. I mean but that is a problem then because you can't pee while you're bathing. That we have a problem. I mean you act like my bathtub and my toilet are in different zip codes when in fact they are perhaps four feet from each other.

So I I I'm not a shower peer but I do like when I when I get into the shower I will often be like oh now I have to pee and I think that this is kind of why there's so much shower peeing that happens because like as soon as you like get all nice and warm your stinkers relax and it's like hey you know what I could do right now I could really go for a whiz and so yeah and also like it's all going in the same place like you don't have to worry about that. It's there is something about when people bring up peeing that makes you need to pee. In fact it's I know because it's happening to me right now like I was fine 45 seconds ago and now I'm like I don't know if I can make it to the end of the pod without peeing. Uh-huh.

So we've inserted a bit of a ticking time bomb into the podcast because this week and Ryan's is going to be real rushed. It's going to be very short this week because and this week's Ryan is going to be like Niagara Falls. It's a terrible idea. Oh goodness.

This week's Ryan is the Atacama Desert. Everything is fine. There's no one at all. There's podcast is brought to you by needing to pee needing to pee an ongoing issue since 45 seconds ago.

This podcast is also brought to you by laundry detergent. This podcast is also brought to you by Whooping Cough. Whooping Cough, a great way to cough and vomit. And this podcast finally brought to you by your lacrimal glands.

Your lacrimal glands. They are the shape not the size of an almond. And that's all I actually don't know how big they are. I couldn't really figure that out from the Wikipedia page.

We also have an actual sponsor today. Hang on story blocks. Story blocks. So John I make videos for a living.

I don't know if you know that about me and also you. Yeah. And there's been since the beginning of us doing that some various ways to get media to include legally in those videos. And it's always been very either very hard or very expensive.

And often that leads us to doing things that are maybe a little bit like shouldn't be doing them like taking pictures that maybe we shouldn't be using. And it is so wonderful to now have a story block subscription which I learned about from a different podcast. And have been able to include, you know, for a price that I can afford and that isn't a big deal for me include great video, great audio, great pictures in my videos. And you know, like I've been doing this for years now using story blocks and it's a wonderful service that works really well and much better than the services I was using before.

Yeah, you can get an ongoing membership to story blocks, which is what Hank and I do. But you can they also have a library of paid clips where you can like sort of pay per per page or per image. And it works really well. And as Hank said, it solves a huge problem in the world of online media, which is that we all want to be making sure that we're using other people's content appropriately and that they're being compensated for it properly and appropriately.

And that has been very difficult for the first, you know, many years of internet creation and story blocks really is a wonderful solution to this problem. You go to storyblocks.com slash deer, Hank and John to learn more about story blocks and also you can sign up through there. And the thing I use, I pay $149 per year for story blocks and that gives me access to like like 400,000 images, 150,000 videos, 100,000 audio clips. Those things are in like the things they are increasing, like the number of things are always going up.

And that's like, it's nice to know it is a yearly price instead of as a monthly price because I am going to use it all the time. And I like to just be able to sort of jump over there and grab stuff when I make a video. It's really nice to be able to talk about a product that I use personally and that makes my content better and makes my life easier. Yeah.

And also we have to say it makes Crash Course and SciShow and other stuff that we do better as well by offering this huge content library. It's made things a lot easier for us in all of our educational content making. So we are grateful to Storyblocks for sponsoring this podcast but also for creating a service that we really use and like. Yeah.

And the nice thing is the people who are making those like vectorized images or taking the photographs or the video, the people who are doing that are getting paid. So those creators are also getting supported through Storyblocks. It's a good marketplace that connects creators together to help make better content exist in the world. Thank you Storyblocks.

All right. Let's get to another question from our listeners. This one comes from Bayley who writes Dear John and Hank, I've recently met a guy and we've gone on a few dates. Because I am in high school, he asked me to his homecoming dance and I accepted expecting a night of food and fun.

I said, yes, because I thought there would be food. And if there's not going to be food, I'm going to reset my guess. That's a great reason to say yes to a homecoming dance. Like, I've been told that there will be light snacks and punch and I'm in.

When I went to get ready with some of his friends, one of them introduced me to her parents as his girlfriend. This took me aback because I did not realize that I was already in a relationship with this guy because we'd never spoken about it. Now I've heard that he has told people we are dating and I don't know how I feel about the guy. So what should I do?

I'm very busy with school and work and the college process. I'm unsure if I'm able to have a relationship right now. Any do-vis advice appreciated? High school drama and horseradish.

Bayley. I mean, Bayley, I'm just going to like first of all, the words have various meanings, but I'm going to take you back to the first sentence of your email where you said, I recently met a guy and we've gone on a few dates. You are dating him. Well, you've gone on a few dates with him.

That's not exactly the same thing as being someone boyfriend. No, but I will say that you are dating. Like that's what's happening. But if Bayley doesn't feel comfortable being called this guy's girlfriend, that's probably like an issue because in all likelihood, that means that this person did not say, Hey, are you my girlfriend or do you want to be my girlfriend or should we like identify this relationship as a girlfriend boyfriend thing?

And then yes, instead just started telling his pals, this is my girlfriend, I kind of, I see Bayley's point like I feel like this, Bayley, this is probably a moment to take a step back and say, just from your email, you may not be that psyched about this relationship. It seems like you're mostly in it for the food and fun, which is great, by the way. I think that is a pretty good reason when you're in high school, and also in adulthood to go on dates. Frankly, when Sarah and I go on dates, it's mostly for the food and fun.

Bayley, I will say that like, I don't know when you like are supposed to have it talk and figure out what the relationship is. Like, is that a thing that happens? Because for me, it was always like, Hey, by the way, I am so into you and I want this to be forever and then girls running away from me. No, for me, I always would have that talk.

Or I felt like that talk was it should be like an ongoing thing. I don't know. Listen, Hank, I'm not an expert, none of this, but certainly like, I do remember when Sarah and I admittedly, we were not in high school, we did not go to the homecoming dance together or anything. But I do remember when I said to Sarah, like, Hey, are we going to be like like, like an item?

Like, are we going to be, however you want to phrase it? Are we going to be boyfriend, girlfriend? Are we going to be in an exclusive relationship, whatever, whatever the like constructs that you want to use around it, you need to like have that conversation with the other person before you have it with your buds. Agreed, agreed.

And I actually, like, I do remember being sort of new to this whole game and thinking I was someone's boyfriend when I was in fact just seeing them and bringing it up and then being like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, Hank, no. And I was like, Oh, okay. Well, I mean, yeah, it's inherently uncomfortable. And like, these are these are difficult conversations to have.

But I also think that's like part of what makes them so important. Agreed. This next question comes from Kyla who asks near Hank and John late at night when I'm trying to sleep. All I can seem to do is come up with unrealistic fantasies that keep me up.

I'll be laying in bed trying to sleep when all of a sudden I think about myself in a world that literally cannot exist. How does one turn off their imagination for long enough to sleep for eight hours, extremely sleep deprived Kyla? Wait, what's the world? I don't know.

I feel why wouldn't that have been brought up by Kyla in this very short question that obviously had space to give us some information about these fantasy worlds that I'm not very curious about. Kyla, I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight worrying about what these fantasy worlds might or might not be. That's on you. I mean, your name is Kailah.

I sleep in the world, Kyla. I don't want to criticize our listeners. It sounds like you could be an excellent protagonist in any number of these fantasy stories. If you just maybe write them down.

I said, John, I do have sleep tips. I'm like, I've become informed on sleep tips because one, I make science videos for a living and two, people are always asking me how I sleep. One tip is that I have a medication that makes me sleepy. So that's don't necessarily do that.

Get all sort of glitis and take that one. Two, it's really all about structuring your day so that sleep happens. It starts at the same time. It ends at the same time.

And it happens in a place that is devoted to sleep. And so you are not spending time in your bed doing things that aren't sleep so that your mind knows that this is the sleep place, not the place for fantasy imaginings. And if you're having those fantasy imaginings and it's not going to happen, leave the sleep place and go somewhere else until you feel sleepy. Kyle, I would talk to a doctor and not hank about this.

This is literally advice that I was given by a doctor. Well, sure, but not like Kyla's doctor. Each individual is different. I think that's good advice.

I just think if it's become an issue in your life, don't turn to advice podcasts. And I do think that if it's something you're really concerned about, it's probably time to talk to your doctor about it because while hank steps are great, nothing stands in for actual medical advice, quite like actual medical professionals. John, do you ever feel like those times in your life when you couldn't get to sleep were actually really useful and wonderful? Like when you got excited about an idea or we're creating a world or a character or something like that, you just lay in bed and you just can't stop working on a problem.

Very occasionally, what would almost always happen, or what does almost always happen in my experience, is that I finally am like, okay, I've got to get up and write this down because this stuff is great. This is fascinating. I've finally found my way through to a solution. And then I write it down and I'm like, what is this?

This makes no sense. It's almost like this was developed by a tired person. It wasn't thinking at all rationally. Yeah, it's almost as if if it's almost as if this person was having a dream about solving a problem, not actually solving a problem on a few occasions, because I always hear about writers who like come up with great solutions to problems in their books and dreams or else come up with great premises for new books and dreams.

And so on a few occasions, I have woken up and thought it happened. It finally happened for me. And I write down the dream and I'm like, okay, here's how I'm going to solve the problem in Turtles All The Way Down. There's a baseball game and they're in the dugout.

It's the visitor's dugout and it's the seventh inning. And I keep writing and I'm like, holy crap, how did I ever think that this was going to solve a problem? It's obvious that this is all happening inside of a magical world where none of the rules of narrative work is a supply. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I have I would say that I have had experiences a handful of times where like I had too much coffee at six o'clock at night and it was two in the morning and I still couldn't get to sleep and I came up with something pretty pretty amazing. But in general, I think that it's just as likely to happen anytime that I'm not occupying myself with something like I tend to always do these days where I always do like I'm on the phone or I'm listening to a podcast or I'm reading a book or I'm like driving the car and listening to music or something. In those moments when I'm like actually not occupied, there is a like a surprising number of times and it's just like, oh, well now I'm thinking about this problem and that's helpful to just, you know, have time to just think. I feel like I never have time to just think anymore.

Hey, let me encourage you to explore the possibility of clearing honeysuckle out of your backyard. I spent about 60 hours doing it so far. I'm going to report back next week. But so far, what I've found is that when my brain has quiet time, mostly it wants to be quiet.

I'm expecting that at some point my brain will be like, I'd like to start having some thoughts again now. But right now my brain's just like, shh, get out of the ground. Make sure that did you get the stump, make sure to get the stump. That's good, John.

Yeah, I don't think that I don't think that's the experience I would have. But I also don't have a bunch of honeysuckle in my yard. Yeah, it's looking like somebody who hasn't tried it yet. The other thing I've been doing is creating this brick path.

I blazed a trail through my backyard and then now I'm slowly bricking the path, one brick at a time. I'm like, oh my god. I'm some bricks from this abandoned building long, long ago, ruined from the early 20th century on our property. And just the act of doing that, Hank, oh my god, it's so much better.

It's so much better than going to VidCon meetings. I don't want to gloat, but I feel like I've found like a glitch in the matrix. And at least for one week, this was the perfect solution. I don't think I could do it forever, but I intend to find out.

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I was thinking John Green and this guy would probably be really great friends and then the host said it was John Green. Why do you sound so much different? It's crazy. Anyway, how the heck was NPR work?

Are there local stations for counties? Are there some headquarters? Congrats on the new book, guys. Yeah, well, um, so I was on fresh air that might have been the interview that you heard with Terry Gross, which was the most nervous I've ever been.

Hank knows this because he was with me right before. Yeah, he was freaking out. First off, Natalie, I don't know why I sound it sounded different in that interview that you heard, but I listened to it as well. And I also thought that I sounded different.

I was listening to my voice and I was like, that's weird. I don't know why. Maybe it was because I was so incredibly nervous about the prospect of speaking to Terry Gross, who's one of my like longtime heroes. But it was it was cool.

It was a very cool experience being on fresh air. By far, the best part was the very beginning when Terry Gross came on the line and she said, um, are there two lines in your book that you got from our radio show? And I was like, yeah, and she was like, that's cool. And I was like, yeah, thanks.

Thanks for reading it. And she was like, yeah, I liked it. And that was the best part. Yeah.

The interview part was good. But like her noticing the two, the two fresh air moments in turtles all the way down was pretty amazing. I thought you're gonna say that the best moment for you was when Terry Gross called us the V-Log brothers. Well, I didn't actually hear her say that.

She recorded that intro later. And it was pretty epic to be called the V-Log brothers. Oh man, it's not her fault, you know, it's not her fault. It's not her fault.

It's my fault. She's naming the YouTube channel a bad name. It's true. That's all I know, saying ultimately.

That's all I know. As for how NPR works, that's not really my area of expertise. In this particular case, I think I was in Nashville and I went to the Nashville NPR station and they had a little studio set aside for me for that hour and a half. And I listened to Terry Gross talk to me on my headphones the same way I'm listening to Hank talk to me now.

Only it was kind of a much fancier version of the setup that we currently have. I also don't know how NPR works. I'm much more familiar with PBS because we actually work with them. But NPR is as far as I can tell funded by mostly its listeners according to every pledge drive.

That's right. So don't enter your local NPR station if you enjoy fresh air as much as I do. Okay, let's answer one more question before we get to the all important news from Mars and AFC Wimbledon. This question comes from Magdalen who writes, "'Do you hear John and Hank?

As someone who frequents the coffee shop across the three from my school, I've been presented with an issue that only grows over time. Having been diagnosed with anxiety means that I've trouble doing some ordinary tasks, one of them being paying the cashier. I check and recheck that I have the right amount in just a few bills so as not to hold up the line. But this leaves me with multiple coins and change which over time have built up to an insurmountable amount.

Should I continue paying with just bills? What if I hold up the people behind me by using the change? Please help. I don't know how I could possibly do a name specific sign off Magdalen.

I mean, obviously you have a name specific sign off. It's Mary, Magdalen." Okay, good. I'll allow it. This is not...

I don't understand how the paying with coins holds up the line, especially if you have time to get the mic sorted and ready to go. Because you know in advance Magdalen how much of your coffee order is going to cost, right? You probably order the same thing. You've done this before.

Yeah, tax has changed. Right. So you know it's going to be $2.58. So what I would do, I'm totally sympathetic to your concern about holding up the line.

It's something that I worry about too. But what I would do is just get those eight quarters, five dimes, one nickel, and three inexplicable pennies out. Have them in your hand. Try to organize them as much as you can by shape and size.

Actually, you know what? Don't use the pennies, Magdalen. Just get 260. Just get eight quarters and six dimes and hand it over and say that's $2.60.

I do not need change. Thank you. Well, and then you leave your tip of the tip jar additionally. And if they give you the two cents you can put that there too, which is what I do with every penny I ever receive.

That's actually a better solution Hank. Over time, Magdalen. The way to get rid of your change is a dollar at a time put it in the tip jar. Yeah, that's also a great way to do it.

There's also places that will take your change and turn it into dollars for you. They're called banks. Don't use the coin star machine. That's a racket.

They take a big percentage and the bank will do it. You just have to buy everything. I do. So John, I have a secret.

I have a secret, embarrassing secret. And people didn't get to hear my other embarrassing secret and they never will. So I want to tell you this embarrassing secret because it's pretty embarrassing and I don't think anybody knows about it. Okay.

So coin star machines. They have this little tray that you dump all your change into and it's got a slot. Then there's little holes in it and America. The hole is just smaller than a dime.

So a dime can't fall through it. But other stuff can. So that stuff doesn't end up in the machine. And one of my secret joys in life is to put my head into a coin star machine and see what has fallen through the dime holes.

Yeah, I mean, I'm like, whoo. That is not even within 12 orders of magnitude of the most embarrassing thing about you. I agree. But it's something right.

Just Hank Green sticking his head into the coin star machine because you got to get your head in there. You can't like see it from outside. You have to like get put and it's like a whole grocery store around and I'm like, I can't help myself. I've got to put my head in the coin star machine now.

I think it's fine. I actually have a bigger concern than the coin star head issue, which is that I think that you just referred to yourself in the third person. And that can never happen again. I was being the people around talking about me.

Right. But that's also rather presumptuous. I just didn't be like, Oh, look, it's Hank Green with his head in the coin star machine. They would be like, Oh, look at that random middle aged dude with his head in the coin star machine.

Well, I'm not going to my head out. And then there's like one of the people's crash scores fan and they're like, Wow. Okay. I thought that was just a random middle aged dude with head in the coin star machine.

But if that guy who taught me an out of even physiology, instead, they're like, Oh my gosh, it's that that's John Green's brother. Oh, I mean, I only I only made that comment, Hank, to try to give you some real well defined consequences for referring to yourself and the third person. I will be helping Magdalen out with her problem at all. I Oh, John, I so also have a new phone that I mentioned earlier today.

I might like it a lot. And it can put a credit card number into it. And then I just hold the phone up to a thing. I put my finger on the on the fingerprint reader and it just pays not everywhere.

But if Magdalen, if your place is one of these, it is so much faster than paying with cash. It's faster than a credit card. It's faster than the chip thing. It's faster than everything.

It's immediate. And also not a lot of people use it yet. So everybody's sort of like, what did you just do? And then you can get me Hank Green.

I pay with my finger. I can smell it coming. I can smell it coming. That's not a good bit.

I don't like it as a joke. What's the week's news from Mars? So John, the thing that I got in my Mars news at the top of my phone for like three days now is very frustrating to me. But I'm going to tell you this story.

I'm going to read you the headline. In the hopes that your phone will hear you read it and then be like, okay, he knows that one time to move on. Yeah. Russian prodigy who claims he lived on Mars before being reborn on Earth, baffles scientists in parentheses video.

I mean, that headline might be peak 2017. So yeah, I don't know how to tell my phone that I don't want fake Mars news. I'm not an actual Mars news. That's like experts are reportedly baffled by the testimony of Bariska, a young Russian prodigy from the city of Volgograd who claims that he lived on a war-ravaged planet Mars long ago before being reborn on Earth.

So apparently scientists are baffled. Why is that baffling? Because he has detailed knowledge of space and the conditions on other planets. There's no way of no way to acquire that on the internet.

No, and there's all the things he knows. There's no way he could know it about the places except that if he was making up, I guess, would be one way. My favorite part about his idea is that when he was a Martian, he was seven feet tall and he was 35 years old because Martians had mastered the prevention of aging and all Martians stopped aging and became semi-immortal at 35 years of age, which I guess is like a fairly good time to become semi-immortal. But like if I could pick, I'd probably pick like 27.

You know, like I feel like at 35, my peak physical fitness was already behind me. Oh, actually, in my case, it was ahead of me, but only because I'd set such a low bar earlier in life. Yeah. Well, I'm very excited about that news from Mars and congratulations on the discovery of life on Mars at last in the form of semi-immortal 35 year olds.

So, Bariska says, human life will change when this thinks is opened. It has an opening mechanism somewhere behind the ear. I do not remember exactly. But he has an incredibly specific memory.

Well, I think the news from A.S.E. Wimbledon is that in really an encouraging sign, A.S.E. will have just signed a 20 year old prodigy from Russia named Bariska. Is he 20 or is he infinity?

I mean, we could really stand to have a striker who doesn't age. That would be a real gift. 35 is probably a little too old. If we could set it, I think we'd set it a little younger.

A.S.E. Wimbledon, we're in the first round of the FA Cup. You might remember the FA Cup because a few years ago, A.S.E. Wimbledon made it to the third round of the FA Cup where they played Liverpool Football Club in one of the most exciting and weird days of my life.

And this year, in the first round of the FA Cup, they played Lincoln City, which is a team I think from the seventh tier, and they won the game. One to nothing. Hey, all right. Who scores that goal, John?

Yeah, the Messi from Montserrat Lyle Taylor. Does that mean that his leg is feeling better? That means that he has recovered from his injury and is now back to scoring goals for A.S.E. Wimbledon, which is great because he is the only person scoring goals for A.S.E.

Wimbledon at the moment. A.S.E. Wimbledon are now headed to the second round of the FA Cup where they're going to take on a significantly more challenging opponent in the form of Charlton Athletic. If they were to win that game, which, given the current run of form, I would say, is not super likely.

But if they were to win that game, they would move on to the third round of the FA Cup, which is when you can get teams like Manchester United and Liverpool and Chelsea and potentially a huge payday. So it would be great to win that second round game. But the arc of history is long and right now a little troubling. Right.

Sorry to hear about the troubles. So was that team from your league? Did you tell me that night in lesson? Correct.

Yes. I told you that and you didn't miss it. I believe that Lincoln's current city is currently in the seventh tier. Oh, wow.

So you won by one goal over a seventh tier team. Well, let me go ahead and confirm that for you, Hank, because it might for all I know, no, they're in week two. They're in the fourth tier of English football. It's barely even an upset.

Yeah. All right. That makes me feel much better. We beat a fourth tier English soccer team.

The kind of soccer team we might be next year if we don't watch out. All right. I'm sorry about the situation that I have swimmed in. It does make me legitimately nervous.

Yeah. No, me too. It's the first thing I think about every single morning. I think what can I do to ensure that AFC will remain a third tier English soccer team?

And then I turn over to Sarah and I open my mouth as if to speak and she says, absolutely not. Well, I agree with her deeply. Thank you for potting with me, John. Thank you for potting.

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