*12.4 Makkos Daf 08 B (15 lines Dn)*

*12.4 Makkos Daf 08 B (15 lines Dn)**Summary*Rabbi Yishmael: Just as plowing is not done for a mitzvah, so too, reaping is only forbidden when it’s not for a mitzvah, but reaping the _omer_ is permitted even on shabbos.One of the Rabbanan said to Rava: Perhaps the plowing was also for the mitzvah of _omer_ ?Rava: Only the reaping is a mitzvah.*Ravina* challenged *Rava:* We learned in the mishna (11.3) “One only goes to _galus_ if he was not doing a mitzvah. *If a father killed his son* while spanking him, or *a teacher killed his student,* they do not go into _galus._”In the _mishna_ too, *it is not the act which is a _mitzvah,_* but the desired result, the improved performance of the student; “If he had studied, it wouldn’t be a mitzvah” still we see it is considered a mitzvah?!*Rava:* It *is a _mitzvah_ to hit a child* even when he learns well as the verse states: “Chastise your son _(or your student, or even anyone who is hit by Beis Din!)_ and he’ll give you nachas, and he will send refreshments to your soul (once you go to the next world he will send up packages of good deeds).’*Then Rava regretted* his explanation of the _beraisa_ (12.3) and offered this explanation:Plowing is mentioned together with reaping; *just as plowing is never a mitzvah in its own right* (although it may result in a mitzvah), so too, reaping is only forbidden when it is not actually a mitzvah, but *reaping the omer is always a mitzvah.* See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate