12.5 - Sukkah Daf 14 B (11 lines Dn)

Today’s learning sponsored by Sponsor a day's learning (thousands of minutes!) for only $72 click here https://www.flipcause.com/secure/cause_pdetails/ODUwOTU Mishnah: Rabbi Yehuda: Boards can be used for schach. Rabbi Meir: They cannot. Rav: Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Yehuda argue about a board that is 4 tefachim wide. If the board is less than 4 tefachim wide, Rabbi Meir agrees that it is kosher. Shmuel: Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Yehuda argue about a board that is less than 4 tefachim wide. If the board is 4 tefachim wide, Rabbi Yehuda agrees that it is not kosher. Summary Lishna Achrina [a different version of the above discussion (12.4)] Challenge: _(Beraisa: “Two sheets add up. Two boards do not add up. Rabbi Meir: Boards are like sheets and they add up.”)_ According to Shmuel, since a board that is 4 tefachim wide is possul according to everyone, the beraisa is discussing whether the boards add up to 4 amos on the side — to disconnect the sukkah from the third wall. But according to Rav, Rabbi Yehuda holds such a board to be kosher, so what would it add up to, they’re like sticks? Resolution: According to Rabbi Yehuda they wouldn’t “add up” to anything. Only, since Rabbi Meir said that they “add up”, Rabbi Yehuda used the same wording to argue “they don’t add up”. There is a beraisa that is a proof to Rav and there’s a beraisa that is a proof to Shmuel: Beraisa for Rav: If a sukkah was covered with cedar boards that are less than 4 tefachim wide, everyone agrees that it’s kosher. If the boards are 4 tefachim wide, it is possul according to Rabbi Meir and Kosher according to Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Yehuda: I remember during a time of persecution we brought large boards and covered an alleyway and surreptitiously sat in that sukkah. The Chachomim said to him: A time of persecution is no proof. (Since everyone agrees that min hatorah boards are kosher, it is only a gezeiras tikrah, 12.3). Beraisa for Shmuel: If a sukkah was covered with cedar boards that are 4 tefachim wide, everyone agrees that it’s possul. If the boards are less than 4 tefachim wide, it is possul according to Rabbi Meir and Kosher according to Rabbi Yehuda. Rabbi Meir agrees, if there is empty space between the boards as wide as the boards*, and those spaces are covered with schach, it is kosher (because in a case of a sukkah that is exactly 8 amos, there would be 7 or 8 tefachim of kosher schach in the middle and less than 4 amos to the walls, so that we can employ dofen akumah). Rabbi Yehuda agrees, that a board of 4 tefachim is possul [but it doesn’t disqualify the sukkah because of dofen akumah]. To listen to the shiur with Tosfos click here http://chilp.it/a39c2fe __________ * Tosfos: One may sleep under possul schach that is less than 4 tefachim. However, if the empty space were less than the size of the boards, the kosher schach would be battel and one couldn’t sleep under the boards — even though they are less than 4 tefachim . In a case where the boards are 4 tefachim wide, and there is 8 tefachim in the center of the sukkah , only the center is kosher anyway and there can be less space with kosher schach between the boards. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate