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EPISODE · Nov 7, 2025 · 19 MIN

157 | The #1 Difference Between HR Directors and Chief People Officers

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If you’ve ever wondered what truly separates an HR Director from a Chief People Officer (CPO) or CHRO, you’re not alone. It’s a common question, and after months of speaking with incredible CPOs for this series, a powerful theme kept coming up again and again.In this episode of HR Coffee Time, host Fay Wallis shares the one big difference that defines the step up, a shift that’s far more about mindset and perspective than job title. You’ll hear clips from Chief People Officers including John Scrooby, Dotty Day, Lorna Bains, Dr Andy Stephenson, and Nebel Crowhurst as they describe what changed for them when they made the move.Fay also shares a monster truck analogy that brings this transformation to life, from leading your HR function to steering the entire business. Whether you’re already operating at that level or preparing for the next step, this episode will help you see what it really means to become a business leader, not just a people leader.Join us for reassurance and advice on making that leap.You’ll Hear about:The defining difference between HR Director and CPO rolesWhy the CPO role is about leading the businessA monster truck analogy that brings the concept to lifeInsights from five experienced Chief People OfficersHow to start developing business acumen for your next stepUseful LinksConnect with Fay Wallis on LinkedInVisit Fay’s websiteLearn about Fay’s Inspiring HR leadership development programmeOther Relevant HR Coffee Time EpisodesEpisode 146 with John Scrooby - Lessons in HR Leadership: How to Succeed as a Chief People OfficerEpisode 151 with Dotty Day – Could an Interim CPO/CHRO Role Be Your Perfect Career Option?Episode 153 with Lorna Bains – Inside the Fractional CPO/CHRO Role – What It Involves & How to SucceedEpisode 155 with Dr Andrew Stephenson – The Mindset, Skills & Plan to Become a Successful Chief People OfficerEpisode 156 with Nebel Crowhurst – Why Chief People Officers Need Strong Networks (And How to Build Yours)Enjoyed This Episode? Don’t Miss the Next One!Sign up to the free weekly HR Coffee Time email to be notified each time a new episode is released – and get free career tips, tools, and resources.Mentioned in this episode:Help That’s There when It’s Needed MostMenopause, grief, ADHD, relationship breakdown... Every day, employees dealing with these situations are turned away by their EAP because they don't qualify for counselling. When someone finally asks for help, they deserve better. Visit Kara Connect, where no employee is ever turned away. Kara ConnectJoin the Inspiring HR Leadership ProgrammeBuild your confidence, credibility & impact through the Inspiring HR Leadership Programme. The next cohort is now open for booking. Inspiring HR

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