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It's a comedy podcast where two brothers answer your questions, give you advice and bring you all the week's news from both Mars and AFC One of the John. Yes. What was your earliest childhood memory? Oh.
I mean if I offer it up then it won't belong to me anymore. It will belong to all of the people who are listening right now and also I know you're just trying to get to some kind of punchline. Well in any case mine was getting my first pair of glasses. Do you remember doing that John?
I do because it's just like everything before that's a blur. Do you remember that the place where we got our first glasses from eventually fell into a single in Orlando, Florida? Yeah I mean that's given enough time that will happen to everything in Orlando, Florida. It's just it's just limestone pockets underneath.
There's no actual land. Yeah the weird thing about it was that having your optometrist's office fall into a sinkhole and disappear wasn't even that unusual in our childhood. Yeah I think actually the weirdest part of that was that also a Porsche dealership fell into the same sinkhole at the same time. Yes.
Yes. And it turned out there was a bunch of cocaine in some of the porches and they found it when they were pulling them out. So it was like a big story. God I love Orlando so much.
Cocaine. Just like a single pull of cocaine. It's like the most Orlando story to fall time. Porsche full of cocaine falls into sinkhole might be like peak Orlando.
And let's just stand there with a bunch of children's glasses. For extra creep. All right let's answer some questions from our listeners. This first question comes from Ali who writes Dear John and Hank, I got this adult coloring book I've been using for about a year and a half now and almost all the pages have been colored in.
What should I do once I finish it? Like it feels wrong to just toss it out when I've spent so much time coloring all the different pages. But if I just put it on my bookshelf it'll only take up space and I'll probably never look at it again. So what do I do with a completed coloring book?
Not a cat. Ali. Oh Ali cat. I got it.
My first like the first thing I thought of when you said adult coloring book is not I think what you were coloring. That is correct yeah I think well who knows. That's not for us to judge. The point is what do you do with it and the answer is you have a ritual burning.
Probably a ritual burning. Yeah you invite all your friends over and you talk about the year and a half that coloring this book was helpful to you and now it is over and then you have a ritual burning of the coloring book and it's very cleansing. I'm a huge believer in letting go Hank. Letting go of things instead the person who owns 3,400 books.
Don't burn the books John. I do puzzles a lot and I really love doing puzzles and I always have this feeling after I finish the puzzle they're like the I can't just pull it apart like that you put the last piece in and it's like done and then you just tear it apart and put it back in the box. I can't do it. It has to sit there for two days, two weeks before it finally does mental the puzzle which I will of course inevitably do.
Like I'm not going to keep the puzzle put together forever. I remember when we were kids our parents had this muppets puzzle that they had somehow glued all the pieces together to celebrate having finished it and it was like a huge part of our childhood looking at this muppets poster all the time and I have all these childhood memories of looking at that muppets puzzle not least because a couple pieces fell out over the years like a couple pieces weren't glued in that well so it was never like a quite a completed muppets puzzle that was hanging on the wall. As time went on because it was so humid in Orlando Florida more and more pieces kept falling off until it was like really sort of a disturbing looking thing that was on the wall. Yeah.
Well one of the like really good things about growing up in Florida is that you're constantly made aware that nature will take back everything you have taken from it. Yes. Yeah. I mean that puzzle I imagine now is is contained entirely within an ecosystem.
It is just every individual piece has been turned into a blade of grass or moss or mold or something. Yeah. I just think it's so important in life to find ways to let go of stuff like even stuff that we've worked hard on sometimes you just have to let it go like nothing lasts forever and if you can't get that through your skull you're sort of hosed. Well then also like I think that when I put together a puzzle like my ultimate goal of doing the puzzle isn't to have a completed puzzle it's to do the puzzle.
So like the puzzle has served its purpose the moment is it is complete. Right. The thing that I'm hanging on to is like the idea that that isn't the goal of the puzzle that there is some other eventual goal of the puzzle and that maybe is something that like has its hooks in my brain but it's not a real thing. The goal of the puzzle is to do it and the moment it's done it has served its purpose and that purpose has ended and I need to take it apart and put it back in the box.
Now I'm going to recommend that you put it on your bookshelf now that I've thought about it more. I mean you might want to look at it later. No let it go. Let it go.
Fire. It served its purpose. You did you did a thing it was beautiful and good and it's over. This next question comes from Emily who writes you're John and Hank I work as a ticket seller for my school district.
I get to sit around for about three to nine hours at a time dealing with angry parents trying to get into sporting events. Well it seems like you like your job Emily. It's great. In our district senior citizens are free.
How do you ask someone if they're old enough to qualify for the senior discount? The last time I asked are you 65 or older I almost got whacked with a cane. Thanks for the advice Emily. Don't ever ask that question.
Oh I don't agree Hank I think you should Emily if you ask me if I was 65 or over. You have a sign that says it and then it's up to them to bring it up. You don't ask. Yeah I agree you don't ask if like you don't ask unless they're suspiciously young and they're claiming to be over 65.
Then maybe you're like I'm sorry but the over 65 discount only applies to people over 65 and they'll be like oh I am over 65 but I'm so flattered that you didn't think I was and you'll be like I can't believe that we're having this fight because you're trying to save three bucks on a high school basketball game. You're 47 year old man. It's got a fake ID saying he's super old so he can get a buck off movie tickets. I want to get a fake ID that says I'm 65.
I just haven't been like somebody else like maybe take an old driver's license from dad. I look plausibly like dad. Sure yeah. Just turn 65 the big 65 it's been I mean it just goes by so fast especially 40 to 65.
If you could possibly fake it you got a career just in being like look at me I'm 65 years old. I've been using this product. It's my special ground up coloring book paste that that I've been delivered to me by alley. It's just coloring book ground up with with just various colloids.
Milky substances that I then rub on on my face is extremely expensive and look it but look at me though. Look at me. I look at 40 years old. I don't look at day over 42.
To answer your question Emily I think you put up a sign and I don't think you ask anybody and if people try to sneak into the basketball game pretending that they're over 65 when they're not they're going to have to deal with the consequences of that in eternity. Right yes and I do not feel like it is either your responsibility or something that you care about if somebody is attempting to break into the basketball game without without payment. So no I'm honestly whatever gets you through the day because it doesn't seem like you love this job and I don't think maximizing revenue is that important. I think you should just do what makes the day manageable.
This next question comes from Josh who asks Dear Hank and John I recently started my journal. A format starts off with a list of the day's activities followed by my favorite moment of that day. That's nice. That leaves like a third of the page empty.
What should I put in the rest of the page? Pumpkins and Penguins Josh out of burning. Tear it up. You considered burning your journal.
No I'll tell you what I would put in there. I would put in a list of ongoing resentments like Arya Stark's Kill List. Yeah. Yeah I don't forget about it.
I don't want to forget about the people who have wronged me. Or the other thing I might put on there is a list of all the things I worried about before going to sleep. Like a catalog of this is bad. The 100 or 200 things that rifle through my head during the hour that I'm trying to fall asleep.
The people I may have wronged. The activities I haven't finished. The responsibilities I've shurked etc. Josh for an actual piece of advice.
Here's what I if I had the kind of dedication to this that you seem to have. I would draw a little picture in that bottom third. And I try to maybe draw like the same picture every day for a week and see if I do it differently or maybe I'll give you a prompt. It's it's Santa Claus dinosaur.
So you're going to draw Santa Claus dinosaur every day for a week and see all the different ways that that prompt takes you. And then the week after that I want you to do like a rabbit smoking a pipe. And I want to see that and like show me a different rabbit smoking pipes. And maybe you can I'm not saying I'm gonna be good.
It's not about being good. Just like your journal isn't about like writing beautiful prose. It's just like hey I'm gonna throw this at future me who's gonna read through these things maybe someday and be like what was I doing in January 2019. Oh yeah that's that really super stoned rabbit I drew.
Oh I didn't think it was that kind of pipe. Well you know on day seven you got to mix it up. All right well I've actually been reading Diary recently Don Powell's Diary. She's this great writer.
And it is really interesting to read someone's diary. It feels incredibly invasive even though Don Powell has been dead for quite a while and at the end of her life said that she wanted her diaries to be published. It still feels like wow I can't believe that I'm allowed to read these things about a stranger. So try to include that kind of that kind of the juicy stuff.
That's my advice. Last there to the bet is just what the juiciest stuff of the day. Right yeah just like at the bottom third be like I think this is what the you know people of 70 years from now will want to read about my day. I definitely think that you should assume that no one's going to read your diary because otherwise it's too much pressure.
All right Hank this next question comes from K who writes Dear John and Hank a few weeks ago I matched with someone on a dating app and after chatting for a bit we decided to go on a date but shortly thereafter I got sick and when I told him he told me to get back to him if I wanted to go out once I felt better. Well it's been several weeks and it turns out I have mono which is why I felt so terrible this whole time and I'll be better soon and no longer contagious and I want to let him know so he doesn't forget about me but I'm worried that the connotations of the disease will leave that impression. Okay because it's the kissing disease. Okay I am not familiar with these connotations of mono.
I have always understood it to be just a really bad viral illness that sometimes attacks your spleen but apparently it has sexually transmitted vibes. Yeah I will say that I got mono in high school completely without any fun way of contracting it. I contracted it and the normal someone spat into the air and it landed on my tongue way. Yeah like you can get the common cold from making out but you can also get it from you know putting your hand on a gas pump or at least that's where I assume I got it from.
I assume now that I get every disease from my child coughing directly into my nose. Oh god I mean is there a better way to ensure that every yeah anyway. Yeah the doctor recently and the doctor was like has your kid been sick and I'm like he's two that's all he is. He's like yeah never mind I'm sorry I asked that question obviously he's been sick.
Yeah yeah no weather kids are home from school today and I just I feel bad for them but I have to confess that I also feel so bad for me. Have you told them that like I'm so sorry you're sick but also little sympathy for me. Well I will know and think of dear old dad. I don't feel great and yet I have to take care of you and do this podcast with my brother.
Sorry back to Kay's question. Should I tell him that I have mono or should I keep it vague and risk him not believing me. Oh I just pack my bags and move away. Okay just telling you I have mono if this guy freaks out about you having mono he's the worst.
Also if you're like I'm getting better but I'm not gonna tell you what was wrong with me that's way that's weird. Now I'm nervous like I'm worried for you I'm worried for your family I don't yeah I want to know the specifics. No you just say listen I had mono I'm feeling better the doctors have no longer contagious and then you tell them exactly in grave detail exactly how you got the disease. You're like I licked a gas station pump it was a mistake I made.
No or tell them that you got the disease from kissing someone who cares. Good God. I'm on Tinder I kiss people sometimes. Exactly like it shouldn't be that big of a surprise.
Oh man Kay I'm sorry about 2019 dating it seems very stressful and difficult but I think by the way Kay had a great name specific sign off which was every contagious kiss begins with comma. Okay that's great that's great. I have mono my mono in high school experience do you want to hear how that how this experience started for me John? Yeah sure.
I woke up and I didn't wasn't feeling great and I went into my bathroom where I discovered that there was vomit in the sink and pee in the bathtub and I was like how did this happen this very weird and upsetting and then I realized that I like no one else was in the house and I had fever dreamed up into the bathroom and puked in the sink and peed in the bathtub so I went back to bed. Wow I was that sick. I had whipping models of I had whipping cough in college which I also don't recommend no and the main symptom of it I guess this is the Hank and John illness special which I'm excited about the main symptom of it was that I would start coughing and then in between the costs I would make this whipping sound like and then I would barf. I just start coughing and I'd be like oh man this only ends one way with the whipping sound for like four whoops and then barfing.
Thanks nature kids this next question comes from Justin who asks dear Hank and John the department I work in at my company is large enough that I don't know everyone in my department sometimes when someone's going through a tough time such as the boss of a family member the administrative assistant will get a sympathy card and make it available for people to sign. I make sure to sign it if the person in need of sympathy is someone I know but what should I do if it's someone I don't know should I still sign the card if so what should I write in this just in it's good Justin that's good you should sign the card and write nothing. Sign the card and write nothing possibly say sorry for your loss this Justin. Don't do not use the name specific sign off in a sympathy card Justin it's a good name specific sign off but like any name specific sign off there's a time and a place and it's not just after somebody's cat died.
Yeah just sign your name probably just sign your name. Yeah the reason you just sign your name is that what people really want to feel at least in my experience in that moment is they want to feel a broad network of support they want to feel the thoughts and prayers and love of lots of people including strangers and just seeing a lot of names in a lot of different pen colors is helpful at least in my experience so even if you don't know the person I still think it's worthwhile to sign the card. I trust your opinions on these things so much more than I trust my own so I'm glad to have you there to tell me these things. Well I am a failed hospital chaplain Hank so I'm something of an expert.
This next question comes from Catherine who writes a lot of the times when I walk with my friends my shoelaces come undone and then a stranger will tell me that my shoelaces are undone and I find this extremely frustrating because the shoe is on my foot and I can feel my own shoe slowly becoming glutes. I'm not an idiot bad at tying my shoes Catherine. There's no question but I thought it was interesting. I edited the question it went on for a while.
Okay it's just a situation that I'm so familiar with and I don't know what to do so so I have here's how I solve this problem I no longer have shoe tying ability I have a I don't know what it's called a toggle that slides out and then it's tightens that way and then you let go of a button and it holds itself in a place right I think I think I know what you mean but you have done a poor job where's possible way I'm sure it's called something so I have one of those that tighten the shoes but before I had that one I feel like there's something wrong with the way that I tie shoes because they come untied all the time or there's something wrong with people how people do shoelaces or something and two why are you telling me do you think I'm gonna die do you think I'm gonna because my shoe is untied like my shoe will fall off and I will stay a step on attack and get tetanus and block jaw and just never be able to drink again what no I don't think it's that specific concern I think the concern is that you're gonna trip on your shoes you're going to fall and break your hip and then never quite fully recover I think that's the fear that strangers are feeling when they tell you that your shoes are untied how long are people not about uses I've been on both sides of this problem like I've both been Catherine and I've been the person who says to Catherine I can't believe you're getting on an escalator with your shoes untied for instance I think it comes from a good place but it does put the person with untied shoes in an incredibly uncomfortable position because in all likely they were already aware of their untied shoe situation and they're just not in a place right now where they can easily tie their shoes but they will be soon and they've got a plan and they don't interrupting the plan with your comments on it yeah however none of this is necessary because as we've actually discussed previously on the pod there is a way to tie your shoes that does not involve double knotting but does prevent them from ever becoming untied until and unless you want them to be untied you can go to patreon.com slash deer hank and john to see a link to a video on this topic this next question comes from Susanna who asks deer whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa the startup I worked for had to lay people off today well this take a took a direction from funny names to job loss I'm sorry it was not entirely unexpected as we were warned that we were having some issues but we were not warned of the scope or decision making process that went into who and how many would be let go fortunately I've still got a job but a few of the co-workers that I've worked really closely with and become you know generally good friends with we're laid off and I'm still feeling wholly wrecked how do I deal with this survivors guilt what do I say to my now ex-co-workers do I say anything how do I return to work like normal and get anything done your dubious advice is greatly appreciated oh Susanna yeah this is really hard because we're told by the social A that so much of our own self-worth is wrapped up in what we do for a job and B that work is like a family and here at startup X we're not like a regular company we're a family and that's why you work here 16 hours a day six days a week because it's a family and we're all in this together and then there inevitably comes a day when you find out it's not a family it's a company yeah and should be should be treated like that that isn't to say that like the people your co-workers aren't can't it shouldn't be important parts of your lives important friends but I think that if that is case then like that relationship should extend outside of the boundaries of work and also outside of the time when you work together in the same place and it's completely normal to maintain friendships with people that you met at work after that like that particular relationship is over and probably those people would really appreciate feeling like they aren't going to be like left out of like a social system that they were also depending on because they're being left out of this economic system that they were depending on and would love it if you would reach out and continue to be friends with them and and continue to like do social good things with them or start doing more social things with them now that you know you're not going to have this other relationship and you want to maintain something and keep that relationship alive as for how to deal with the survivors guilt of the whole situation and and not knowing you know the dis like how these decisions got made that's a real bummer and isn't it is probably is kind of indicative of like you know probably a crisis that the company is going through right now it's terrible and and really the only thing you could do is say like this is the vagaries of the universe and I'm going to like attempt to continue doing the work that I find valuable and that it's hopefully at hopefully adding 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write on the inside of the cover a little information about why she thinks I like the book and then sign it and I'll be like whenever I look at that book I'm like oh yeah she sent me this book and this is what she thought about it and it gave me a little something to go on and it's almost like sort of half card half like present which I really like yeah don't tell my publisher that I said this because of course with my business person had on I believe that you should only buy my books in hardcover and that you should buy a new copy for each time you want to read one but it's like seven times and I've purchased it seven times perfect wonderful I think second hand books are almost a better present than new books because you feel the the love in them you know and also because it's a very particular it's a particular copy it's not just any copy of a book it's this person you knows copy of that book and I don't know I've always thought it was really cool and it's something that I do and I love it when people give me books that they've read and enjoyed and thought that I would enjoy and I also love those little notes that people write Hank although I will say if you write one of those notes it becomes very hard to make it a third hand gift a little bit yeah I mean you can take it to the book exchange place that if you have one of those they'll probably take it all right Hank we got another question this comes from Cassie who writes Dear John and Hank inspired by John I've decided to delete all my social media apps and only check certain websites once a week on my laptop so far instead of having a positive impact on my mental health I just lay in bed for hours staring out the window in replace of staring at a screen feeling almost worse because my thoughts viral have no distraction what healthier habits can I create to replace my phone at least while I'm adjusting my thoughts or starts I can't pass them into constellations but at least I'm Cassie O'Pia that's very good Cassie O'Pia you got it you got there I read read what yeah I probably would just watch Northern exposure over just the whole thing from the beginning if I had some extra time it's really what sort of what I've been hankering for lately what a weird show to pick as like the show that you would devote yourself to like Northern exposure was a fine television program but like it's not like the sopranos or something it's not a classic it is absolutely a classic okay okay it's like the sopranos with no murder everybody's okay everybody's fine they're all nice people it is a show about nice people who are nice to each other and have funny sweet things happen it is the definition of harmless that's how I would define Northern exposure perhaps the most harmless television program ever made I hope so I hope I don't go watch it again and be like oh this is deeply problematic you never know but Cassie I know what you mean here which is that one of the things that we use social media for is distraction distracting us from boredom from dullness and also from like sort of way down deep pains that we need on some level to distract ourselves from I do think that it takes a while to find anything as compelling as you know constantly updating feeds are that's why they've become such a huge part of our lives but I do think it's worth the effort at least in my experience so yeah you can't just stare out the window that's gonna make you feel really really sad I would encourage you to either go out there to the stuff that's that's on the other side of the window and explore that physical space it's like VR but it's so real like you feel everything and even the smallest touches of like rain or wind on your hand feel like actual wind or rain and then the other thing I would say is yeah watch stuff read stuff call a friend try to find ways to engage with the world because that's what you're replacing and if you try to replace that only with staring out the window it's never gonna work that's a great point John before we get to the news from Mars and AFC Wimbledon which is differently from last week bad and good in a different way oh god I'm so happy oh my god sorry what are we talking about we flipped we flipped places we flipped places but but I did want to talk to some of the responses to things so Emily has a response I was listening to the new episode of the pod today and you kept bringing up crashing that prom and I wanted to tell you that because of you crashing our prom in 2015 we got in trouble for being too rowdy which is wild because why would they make it a Gatsby themed party if they didn't want us to be rowdy Emily I'm sorry that you got in trouble as a result of me crashing your prom I will say that y'all were a little bit rowdy like I thought that I could just calmly crash a prom with my best friend and our spouse is like a normal 39 year old crashing a prom and I felt that you guys were a little rowdier than was absolutely necessary so I don't want to put it on you Emily but maybe next time think twice about how you react to some guy crashing your prom also we got a lot of emails that were like this one from Miriam dear John Hanks in a recent episode you talk quite a bit about peeps so here's my question what are peeps is it an American thing please enlighten me Miriam p.s what is Arbor day or is it Harbor day yeah it's a day where we all go to the harbor and we just sort of look out over the harbor and we think that's nice well it's not that much crazier than what Arbor day actually is which is a day when we all look at trees and think that's nice Arbor day if the day on America where we're like trees are good yeah it's basically the day in american life i thought about a weird that is when we're like oh god sorry trees about everything we've done to you over the last 500 years and the trees are like yeah no it's good it's we're fine peeps are the opposite of trees i think it's a narrowest way to define them i mean there's a marshmallow that's covered in sugar now i know you're saying Miriam isn't a marshmallow just made of sugar yes yep that's the end of the story i can't explain anymore it's also there in the shape of small chickens uh or other things depending on the holiday which brings me to this email from haly who wrote dear john and haly and i worked with peeps and designed their seasonal changerovers between 2016 and 2018 that's amazing there are no arbor day peeps yet but there are peeps for valentine's day easter summer halloween and christmas also per hanks odd phone caller id quaker town veterinary clinic that was another one of our clients and i'm wondering if someone swapped the meta text by accident weird now that is very weird that is very weird and you say here that that's probably neither interesting or helpful to you it isn't helpful but it's very interesting that when i called peeps on the phone i got another one of your clients that is not in any way related to peeps it's very interesting but anyway if you ever have a veterinary need in quaker town please call quaker town veterinary clinic absolutely and if you're ever looking for some sugar coated in sugar peeps are the way to go hank yeah afc Wimbledon yes played west ham united in the fourth round of the facup i know furthest afc Wimbledon had ever made it in the facup uh west ham a team in the premier league premier perhaps most famous for being the only soccer team mentioned by name in the harry potter books west ham united a team so big that even in a world of quidditch people care about it a team that i think is currently like ninth in the premier league some 80 spots above us where we are currently rooted to the basement of league one almost certain to be relegated that west ham came to kings meadow in the fourth round of the facup and we won the game four two in what has to be one of the biggest upsets in the history of afc Wimbledon moving on to the fifth round of the facup unbelievable scenes i mean i watched the whole thing on television espn plus and i couldn't believe it Wimbledon we're up three no at one point yeah and then i brought my children down and when you text me you said hank this is is like there's still a lot of time in the game left but i'm very excited and i started watching i'm trying to edit a video and i get very nervous very nervous suddenly because they went from three zero up to three two and then i'm thinking well of course this is going to end i should never have well and that's usually how it goes in these facup ties with you know the david faces the goliath is that even when you do score they end up winning because they've got you know more fitness and they can bring on incredible players at etc but in this game what happened is that when when it got to three two and i told my kids they had to leave because i i didn't want them to see me like this uh Wimbledon started to play with like more confidence instead of less and then there was a goal beautiful goal it was gorgeous and it was tobi civic he's 19 years old it was his first goal for afc Wimbledon he's a product of the Wimbledon academy like will nightingale i mean it's just it's an incredible story and Wimbledon are moving on to the fifth round of the facup for the first time since reforming in 2002 i mean it is crazy we can't win a game in league one and we we just beat west ham and now in the fifth round we're going to be playing milwoll another relatively famous english club although not in the premier league in fact they are i think in 19th place currently in the championship so i'm sure i'll write this game west ham you can be west ham you can be well milwoll i know and i'm sure milwoll is looking at this game thinking that's an easy win but i have to say i'm looking at that game and thinking i mean the chances are a lot better than if we were playing Manchester city obviously it'd be great to play Manchester city from a financial perspective like to you know have all of that revenue from all the ticket sales and everything but i i mean we have a chance who can help a dream that is the wonderful thing about football and life is that you can't help but dream i oh god it was so beautiful i wept i cried and cried and cried it's been such a hard year for Wimbledon and it's just incredible yeah a good a good news in the midst of the darkness i i also watched the highlights of the game and after that 88 minute goal in the last seven minutes of the game there were two extremely good chances for west ham like that by all rights both should have been goals and would have been a tie game in in during overage time and i was just like oh god i wasn't watching that yeah it was uh it was a stressful it was a stressful watch like i made it saves that kid and goal he looks like he's 12 he is 12 i mean yeah the goalkeeper who's currently playing for Wimbledon is on loan from bournemouth and i believe he's 17 or 18 so yeah he is a kid we've got a very young we've got a very young group right now and you know that's what the manager walli down says he wants he says he wants players who are young and hungry and i i mean i don't think we're gonna be able to stay up obviously but wow what a great day for Wimbledon fans everywhere and i should add really quickly since we're talking about this that if you want to be part of this story if you want to own part of afc Wimbledon it's only 25 pounds a year which is like 30 bucks and dropping that's a Brexit joke it has never been so inexpensive for americans to join the dawn's trust as it is today and you can be you can be a part owner of afc Wimbledon and support their story just google the dawn's trust and become an owner of this incredible special club and get to live the dream with them i got it was so amazing it was so wonderful i i i'm making a video about it actually of course on vlogbrothers because i was reminded watching that game of the reason i became a sportsman in the first place and it's just there is no pure emotion that i've ever experienced and what i'm really after in life i think is like that that purity of experience that like so many emotions are complicated and hard to sort through and and experiences are good news and bad news at the same time and then you just occasionally you just need pure great news and like i get that from sports i get it from landing landers on mars i just i'm always looking for that feeling yeah so great news Hank what is the news from mars also great no it's not ultimately we haven't talked about opportunity in a while um rover been on the surface of mars uh now for over 15 years um and it so basically i'm ready to give up hope uh as on on friday started to send a new set of commands to the rover with the idea that possibly it has started up but due to problems with the clock or with some other like internal systems like wasn't being like reaching out to nasa wasn't listening correctly nothing has come back um so they're sort of like chasing down like maybe this thing has turned on and it just isn't functioning quite properly but what appears to be the case is that we're now entering into like the we're going to soon be entering into martian winter um for for where opportunity is and then it will get very cold and darker and and if that happens like it's just it's over for this little guy because this is not enough light and it's going to be way too cold for any of its systems to come back on so it looks like it happened it looks like last june when that dust storm hit um it uh just was too dark for too long for opportunity to stay warm enough to start back up after it started getting electricity running through its solar panels again and steven squires the principal investigator for the mission says to be taken out by one of the most ferocious storms on mars and decades that is an honorable death oh that's really quite beautiful oh man it is honor i mean it must it must be so difficult for all the people who've worked on that mission for the last 15 plus years it's just yeah but also what a great story of what humans can do when we work together and so yeah like everything's gonna die but what a life it had yeah 15 years way longer than ever thought and uh and lots of lots of great science got done and now we are still on the surface of mars with curiosity and and are gonna go go again in 2020 and uh it's a fascinating place and we'll just keep on well hank here's to curiosity long may it rain both as you know like a rover and as an emotional state john thank you for potting with me it was a pleasure i had a really good time this podcast is edited by nicholas jinkins it's produced by rosion hoss rossen sharden gifts in our head of community and communications as michory bonjourno if you want to email us your questions please do that you can do it at hankinjaun at gmail.com so that we'll have stuff to talk about the music you're hearing now in the beginning of the podcast is by the great 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