#178: Haleh Liza Gafori — Rumi’s Wisdom for Modern Life, The Craft of Translation, Poetry as Liberation

Translator, performance artist, writer, and educator Haleh Liza Gafori on translating Rumi with fidelity and music, and what his poetry can teach us about liberation, attention, and love.You’ll learn:Habits Haleh uses to re-centre and get quiet enough to work.How she learned to trust sound and rhythm first, and let meaning arrive through the ear.The moment she realised she needed to make her own translations, and what triggered that decision.A simple test for “is this translation working?”, including why one wrong image can flip the whole poem.Principles Haleh uses to keep translations clear, musical, and emotionally true in English.What an editor can mean by “find your voice,” and how to develop a consistent voice as a translator.How to work with old texts honestly, including naming what doesn’t align with your ethics today.What Rumi can teach modern readers about attention, ego, and compassion in daily life.How love shows up in Rumi as a discipline, not a vibe, and why that matters in hard times.What Haleh is building next, and how teaching can deepen (not dilute) your creative practice.Resources & Links📄Interview TranscriptGold: Poems by Rumi Water: Poems by Rumi Rumi’s Secret by Brad Gooch Haleh’s Website Haleh’s Instagram  About Haleh Liza Gafori:Haleh Liza Gafori is a New York City-born translator, performance artist, writer, and educator of Persian descent. A 2024 MacDowell fellow, she has translated the poetry of the Persian mystic and sage Rumi. Her book of translations, Gold: Poems by Rumi, was published by New York Review Books in 2022. Her second volume of translations, Water: Poems by Rumi, was released in 2025, also by NYRB Classics. Supported by an NYSCA grant, Gafori has created a musical and cross-media performance based on the book, and has presented her work through performances, lectures, and workshops at institutions such as Lincoln Center, Stanford University, the Academy of American Poets, and Sarah Lawrence College. Her book of translations Gold has been incorporated into curricula at universities across the country. For show notes, transcripts and to attend our live podcasts visit: podcast.londonwriterssalon.com.For free writing sessions, join free Writers’ Hours: writershour.com.*FOLLOW LONDON WRITERS’ SALONTwitter: twitter.com/​​WritersSalonInstagram: instagram.com/londonwriterssalonFacebook: facebook.com/LondonWritersSalonIf you’re enjoying this show, please rate and review this show!