18.2 - Sukkah Daf 20 B (5 lines Dn)

Today’s learning sponsored by Sponsor a day's learning (thousands of minutes!) for only $72 click here https://www.flipcause.com/secure/cause_pdetails/ODUwOTU In 17.6, a mishna discussing the tumah of “Chotzlos” was referenced. The Chachomim ascribed a severe level of tumah to them while Rabbi Dosa was more lenient (while still considering them tamei, and thus invalid for use as schach). Rav Avdimi bar Hamduri said that Chotzlos are Marzuvli - sacks filled with leaves. Reish Lakish said that they’re mats. Summary Challenge: We learned: “Rabbi Dosa: Chotzlos become tamei with meis-level tumah.” And yet we learned (17.6): “Rabbi Dosa concurred [to the opinion of Rabbi Yosi, that mats can be used for schach].” Resolution: It depends whether the mat has walls [like a large basket] or not. (A metal keili is always mekabel tumah, but other materials require a ‘beis kibul - indentation that can hold things’ in order to be considered a keili that is mekabel tumah. If the mat doesn’t have walls, then it’s flat like ‘peshutei klei eitz - flat slabs of wood’ and not mekabel tumah, but a mat with walls has a beis kibul and is considered a keili mekabel tumah [this discussion is only relevant to tumas meis, but something flat can become tamei with tumas midras, it can then become tamei meis as well]). Challenge: Beraisa: Chotzlos of shaam, gmi, goat-hair, and sfira have the potential of becoming tamei with tumas meis according to Rabbi Dosa. According to the Chachomim they can become tamei with midras as well. According to the opinion that Chotzlos are Marzuvli, so sacks of shaam and gmi can be used for transporting food, while sacks of goat hair and sfira can be used for larger objects. But according to the opinion that Chotzlos are mats, so mats of goat hair and sfira can be used for curtains (Tosfos explain why a curtain would be mekabel tumah), or as sieves, but what are the other materials fit for? Resolution: It is fit for dragging kegs*, since it has some walls around it. Ikka D’omri [a different version of the foregoing]: According to the opinion that Chotzlos are mats, so sacks of shaam and gmi can be used for dragging kegs, while sacks of goat hair and sfira can be used for curtains or as sieves. But according to the opinion that Chotzlos are Marzuvli, so mats of goat hair and sfira can be used for transporting large objects, but what are the other materials fit for? Resolution: For transporting food. Beraisa: Rabbi Chananiah: When I went down to Bavel I encountered a zakein who said that a mat can be used as schach when I returned to [Eretz Yisroel, where I met] my uncle Rabbi Yehoshua, he concurred. Rav Chisda: Provided that the mat doesn’t have walls. Ulla: The mats of Mechuza** would be valid for schach if they didn’t have a wall surrounding them. We learned in a beraisa also thus: A mat can be used as schach provided that the mat doesn’t have walls. Click here to listen with Tosfos https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ylp2MkzBbF5PJDV58CUuaC_M5KI7maWR/view?usp=sharing __________ * Rashi explains that it can be used for covering kegs. But Tosfos argues that in that case it would not be considered a beis kibul. ** Tosfos explains that they were placed under trees to catch the falling fruits, but in that case it should be disqualified as schach just as “a baker’s board” is not considered peshutei klei eitz! Tosfos answers that since these mats were only made to catch the fruit if they had walls around it, the lack of walls would make them peshutei klei eitz. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate