19: Fierceness + Surrender with Maria Vogel

Maria Vogel is an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist based in Los Angeles who works with families and children, as well as those struggling with chronic illness and pain management. She has been working with families for a decade and doing clinical work for the last two and a half years. Maria has also been managing a chronic illness of her own and was recently diagnosed with Lyme disease. In our conversation, Maria dives into the political and bureaucratic difficulty of actually getting a Lyme disease diagnosis, how physical illness and trauma intertwine, and how surrender can actually be a powerful act. She also talks about the existential impact of chronic illness and how she has been able to derive meaning in her life amidst a limiting condition. You can read the full show notes at www.thisisnotwhatiordered.com