*21.5 Makkos Daf 14 A (19 lines Up)*

*21.5 Makkos Daf 14 A (19 lines Up)*Rabbi Yitzchok: The Torah specifies kareis regarding a sister to teach that where there is kareis, there is only kareis and no malkos.The Chachamim (Rabbi Yishamel and Rabbi Akiva) explain that the Torah’s specification of kareis regarding a sister emphasizes that all chayvei kerisus have their own punishment.However they agree with Rabbi Yitzchok that actually, this is taught by the verse “a woman who is a niddah”. They explain the previous specification as discussing a hypothetical case of “a wicked man, son of a wicked man” where one woman is actually three types of sister-prohibitions; the Torah specifies that there are three liabilities for such a case.*Summary**Question: What is Rabbi Yitzchok's source* for the law of *a wicked man, son of a wicked man?**Answer:* From derivative logic _(kal vachomer)._*Beraisa:**Rabbi Akiva: I asked Rabban Gamliel and Rabbi Yehoshua* [when they went to the meat market of Iamum, to buy meat for the wedding feast of Rabban Gamliel’s son _(Rabban Gamliel was the nasi and could certainly have sent his servants, but he wished to fulfill the mitzvah himself)],_ if one has intimate relations with *his sister who is also his father’s sister and his mother’s sister* - Do we say that since it’s only one woman, he brings only one _korban,_ or *is he guilty on three counts?**They replied:* We never heard of something like this, but we heard something similar. “If one is with *five niddos* _[they were all his wives]_ without discovering that he did an _aveirah,_ he is *liable on five counts.* _[If one ate cheilev five times without discovering his aveirah, he is only liable for one chatas, but here, because it is five different persons, he is liable five times].”_*We can now infer the answer* to your question. If for _niddah_ , which is only one sin, one can be found guilty five times, *surely one can be guilty three times* in our case, where it is actually *three sins specified by the Torah.**The others* (Rabbi Yishmael and Rabbi Akiva): *The logic is refuted.*The case of _niddah_ deals with *five persons, while our case deals with only one.* See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate