223: All at Once for Everyone

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It's a podcast where two brothers answer your questions, give you a few advice and bring you all the weeks from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon John. We're here in Atlanta, Georgia in an airport hotel before one of our live shows recording our not live show. That's right. We're here.

We're doing a Dear Hank and John in-person, which is always our best episodes but also full disclosure. Sometimes our worst episodes. Yeah. Yeah.

Atlanta, you know, they make people wear business suits here but it's so hot. I think it's just unsuitable. Oh God. For that.

Yeah. It is. By the way, if you can hear airplanes in the background, imagine what it would be like to sleep here. Oh, it's fine.

It's great. It's great. This is one of the top seven airport hotels in Atlanta. And it's very close to the Circle K, which I just had to jog to to get batteries and a diet, Dr.

Pepper, from my pre Madonna brother. For the record, I said, can you get me some kind of diet soda and then listed my favorites in order beginning with Dr. Pepper and ending finally four minutes later with the new bad diet cherry Pepsi. Oh, the new bad diet cherry Pepsi.

That's what they call it. They used to make Hank and I, you know, I'm a littleness now for the old days when my life wasn't made out of dongles, but it used to be that they made this wild cherry diet Pepsi that was amazing. And now they make a new flavor of wild cherry diet Pepsi that tastes like robitos. It's called the bad new diet cherry Pepsi.

I wouldn't know John because I find all diet drinks to be immoral. Oh, I completely agree. Absolutely. I have no defense when I go to reckon with St.

Peter, right? He will have many questions for me. Yes. But the one that will end up having me sent to the bad place will be all the plastic bottles.

I mean, everything involved in the production of diet soda. Anyway, thanks to our sponsor tonight, Dr. Pepper. Yeah, John, you're really not angling for that.

That's a responsibility of the way that you used to. And the way that I expect you to, you know, as I get older, I find that I don't really want to be a corporate shield when I grow up. It's good call. I appreciate that.

Hank, let's answer some questions from our listeners. Okay. Beginning with this question from Lily who writes on Christmas, I broke both of my feet since had one surgery and have to have at least one more. I'm going to be in a wheelchair for a couple months and I won't be able to drive.

One hobby should I take up to keep from driving myself crazy. It's good. It's good. It's also good to not tell everybody how you broke both your feet on Christmas morning and definitely hoverboard related accident.

So true. It's I mean, there's so many different ways actually. Trampolines, just a new dog underfoot. Christmas morning is top tier time for broken feet and also for cutting yourself with scissors, trying to get those annoying packages open.

I recommend reading, ideally reading my books, but also books by other people. If that's your jam. I also, I, it occurred to me while reading this question that almost all of my hobbies are sedentary. Some of my favorite sedentary hobbies include all of my work.

Yeah. Hank doesn't have any hobbies and he also like doesn't know what a hobby is. This is the thing. I don't you're not on Twitter so you don't know about it, but there's a whole, there's a whole conversation going on right now about how he's been robbed of hobbies by the sort of productivity mythology and also by the economic circumstances of the 21st century.

Right. Where every hobby has to become a side hustle. Right. Mom once said to me while we were walking through a national park, she said, Hank, why don't you have a draw anymore?

And I said, I just found it difficult to monetize. Yeah. As you know, I'm a big fan of unmonetizable hobbies. I think they're, they can be quite good for you.

Look, some people have to work 80 hours a week and if you have to, you have to, but if you can find time to have hobbies, they're really valuable because they can be a pathway to community and also because they can be a pathway to joy. Right. And you can't have your only identities be the things that you do professionally. Right.

Well, I think especially because it becomes very easy to tie the sort of like value of those identities to the amount of money they generate. Yeah. And so if you, if all of your identities are about generating money, then you only have the sort of one way of measuring and how much you matter in the world. Oh, and also how much other people matter?

Yeah. So it ends up kind of distorting your worldview about other people, not just about you. Absolutely. And that's part of what disturbs me about that, like, worship of this one measure of success.

And it doesn't matter if you've had nine marriages, right? And you've trampled on a lot of people's lives and you're miserable. Yeah, because you achieved the only metric that matters according to the marketplace. But like, that's a bad, bad way to live your life.

I know people who've done it that way. And it's not good. You can also be a bad person and still feel happy. You can also have trampled on a lot of people and like have all the satisfaction and be like, you know, but I measured my life this way and the society is telling me to measure it that way.

And so I feel validated in that. And it doesn't really matter how many people I paid absolute minimum wage along the way. That's definitely true. Anyway, Lily, sorry about your feet.

Podcasts are very good. But obviously you're already a fan of the best one. I could keep a straight face. How did you even get through that sentence?

There are so many good podcasts. And maybe just do a lingo pick up a language. Listen to the Anthropocene reviewed. It's also a very good podcast.

Thanks. John, do you want to hear another somewhat serious question? No, I want to move on to something silly and stupid. Okay, like this one from Betsy.

Okay. Dear John and Hank, longtime fan of the pod in your next life, what would you like to come back as a human, a giant squid, an extraterrestrial disguised as a human? I'd like to come back as a bumblebee. Betsy.

It's nice being an insect is nice because it's sort of like if you don't like it. It's like two months. It's like it's like it's like that job you had after high school. Yeah, and plus then you've just got insect knocked out, right?

Like you're taking care of it. So you just think different insect lives are very different. Okay, there's a lot of diversity in the possibly the most of any group of organisms. I mean, insects, there's the tiger beetle.

Tiger beetles can run faster than any animal as compared to their body size. They're just like lightning fat. They look like they take the world on in a very frenetic manner. I may do a bizarre beast on them.

They're really wonderful. I like the idea of coming back as a fruit fly because they're so important to our understanding of the universe. And I would still be a research fruit fly specifically. Yeah, I feel like I'd be contributing something.

It would only be two weeks. I think that the most interesting organism on Earth, and I know that this is controversial these days, is humans. You got pretty cool. Well, we are amazed.

Here's the thing though, she said alien and human body. So apparently we can go like universal with this. I don't want to. I would love to in my next life be on another planet.

Not me. I love Earth. I like Earth too. There's so many planets.

I'm not saying Mars. I'm not saying I certainly don't want to come back as some kind of Venus life form, though I imagine for them it wouldn't be that bad. But I want to be another solar system. Nothing saying that my whatever energy can't go everywhere.

Like if we're if we're getting into the energy, it's just energy. I could and by law, like law of averages, you probably will. Right. Most of the organisms probably aren't on Earth.

Yeah, I just want to take this opportunity though, because I know that the, you know, supreme being that organizes these things is a listener of the path. I want to take this opportunity to say that I would like my soul to remain Earth bound. Okay. I wish you luck on your travels through the universe.

I would like to be Carl. This next question comes from Sam who says, Dear Hank and John, I'm a geography teacher at a public high school. I really like being in the classroom because I get to do meaningful work and I genuinely feel like it's helped make the world a better place. People always have really high expectations from because I was a really good student.

And I've had multiple people express disappointment that I'm quote just a teacher. Ah, yeah. Here's the thing. I think it's impossible not to feel the weight of outside expectations.

Yeah. But the thing you have to remember is that the conscience of the social order to borrow a phrase from Mark Twain is demented. Like there is something wrong with a world that doesn't value teachers and think of teaching as a incredibly important profession full of meaning and sacrifice and all the things that we want to lift up about the human spirit. Yeah.

And so the problem is not with you. The problem is with the society that is informing the opinions of the people who are saying those things to you. Yeah. You know, for a long time, there's this thing among people who did what we do who are internet creators where there was a this sort of chip on the shoulder about like, you know, your grandma doesn't care about your job and doesn't think it's real and like you can't explain to me.

I sort of say like, you know, if you write for a blog, you just say you write for a magazine and that sort of like makes them believe that you have a real job. And there's a there's a hurt to that. There's a frustration to that. And we can't separate our beliefs about these things from other people's beliefs, especially the people that we care about.

We should try. We should do our best. And we should we should find our own meaning, but it's always going to be informed by those people. And it's always going to be something that we're working through and frustrated by.

So I think it's absolutely real to feel frustrated by this. But the only way we can deal with it, of course, is to to understand the true value of our work and to find other people who appreciate that. So, you know, it's if it's your family, like you don't like get rid of your family over it or anything, but do find people who understand the value that you're producing in the world. Yeah, the version of this in my life is that for a long time, people have asked me when I was going to try to write a real book, you know, people have asked me that in my family, people lots of people have asked me that in Q&A's.

And the idea is that writing books for teenagers isn't real writing. Yeah. And I do feel frustrated about that sometimes. And it has gotten to me in the past.

But somebody told me something once, another one I read or told me once, that there is also freedom in that. There's also freedom in not having those people paying attention to your work. Like you get to know that you're doing good work. And it's not about them.

Yeah, so find the value in what you're doing for those kids and find the value in what you're doing for society in general, because what world would we live in? There is no profession in America that adds more to the value of our economy than teachers, because we have nothing without them. I would agree with you Hank, but what about America's podcasters? The real heroes.

The true economic engine of America. All right, I just want to come from Bree and Emily who right here, John, I'm currently sitting with my sister in one of those little sitting areas of our college. And we were eating lunch together a couple minutes ago when someone came up to me and used their fingers to take the cheese out of my lunch box. They did not ask or communicate to me at all prior to this theft.

My sister and I exchanged four or five looks but didn't say anything. And afterwards, the burger just sat down across from her and I. We don't know what to do. Should I give her the rest of my lunch?

Is she an elementary school bully? What is happening? We tried to keep this brief, brief, brie and Emily. All right.

So listen up, Bree and Emily, you write, my sister and I exchanged four or five looks but did not say anything. And afterwards, the burger just sat down across from her and I. What you meant to write was from her and me. Okay, so now we're correcting the grammar of the question before we okay, this is a new kind of podcast we're suddenly doing.

Send us your questions and we will judge them. Yeah, but other merits but only on their grammar. Other than that, I see no problem with the situation. I mean, I think there's a huge amount of merit to just taking your lunch and putting it down in front of that person and walking away.

Just to say, clearly, you feel entitled to any old thing. I'm trying to there are not a lot of situations in which this could have happened, right? So like, if this person is a stranger, if they're a true stranger, then they have some profound lack of understanding of boundaries or of like just culture in general, like maybe a very different upbringing, very different. Or they think they know you and are petrified to have discovered that you're not who they thought you were.

I mean, I've done a version of that a couple times where like I tapped somebody on the shoulder and it turned out not to be my friend. Yeah, that happened to me once in college, I started giving Catherine a massage and it turned out I was Justin, my roommate, Justin. That I don't think I've ever done. What I definitely haven't done is put my bare hands into someone else's lunchbox and pulled out the cheese and it turned out not to be my bud.

No, because I wouldn't do that to my bud. Well, I steal a bud's fry. I'll steal a bud's fry. No, I do.

I walk by a bud, I'll grab enough. I'll grab a fry. Okay. Hank, if you're walking past someone in a cafeteria and you think they are your friend, you would reach from behind them and grab a fry.

I think I'd do that like, sneak the fry and come around the other side and sit down and be like, sup, Jay, and then eat the fry. It's that's a that's a playful, playful, uh, encouraging into a boundary. I mean, not not not not not for me. Don't do that to me.

This is a surprise. I think I think your move might be to look at them and say, I think that's a felony. There's a whole book about someone moving my cheese, but not into their mouth. Someone with my cheese into their digestive system and that is inappropriate.

I love that you get to go to college with your sister though. That's wonderful. Do you really wish you'd go into college with me? No, not at all.

But I'm glad that Bri and Emily have such a good relationship in a way that we did not. Yeah, fair enough. Did that question come from Liz who asked, Steer and Hank and John, I'm currently traveling in London and my trip has been great so far. There's just one problem with college students.

So finances necessitate staying in a hostel and the guy's sleep below me is snoring like a bear. Now, I know that social conventions forbid me from throwing something at him, but is there anything else I can do? Lizard dreams interrupted Liz. Cheese.

You throw cheese at him and then you can't complain because it's free cheese. Yeah, I, cheese dreams, boy. That's what you say. No, that's weird.

I have an actual tip, John. Okay. There are white noise apps on phones. Yeah.

And you can't turn your white noise app on in the hostel because then people are listening to your white noise and that seems weird. Right. You can put headphones in with the white noise and I've been on tour with a bunch of snoring guys and that is the only way I made it through. I had no other world could end and I wouldn't know.

Well, that's terrifying. I'm not sure that's going to help or listen or sleep. Well, look, if the world's going to end, I'd rather not know. I think I would.

Yeah. Well, of course you would. I would want a little warning. Just to get your sort of mental affairs in order.

No, just to like make a couple quick calls. Oh, yeah, I don't think it's time for calls. The world's ending. The cell phones are all jammed, that the circuits are busy.

Well, then I, hmm. Yeah. Well, how to what extent is it ending? Just sort of like cracks from the center of the earth's radiating out onto the core.

The whole the surface is going to be the inside now kind of world end. I'm going to want, if I have warning to get my headphones in so I can listen to work by George Watsky as it happens. Because I think that like I could get myself in the right headspace with the right playlist to just watch the world turn to magma. What's your what's your apocalypse song?

Yeah. Let's go to your apocalypse songs, yeah. I mean, for me, it's definitely something by the mountain goats. It's probably, it's probably this year.

Mm hmm. You know, I probably want to be thinking I'm going to make it through this year if it kills me as my last thought. Yeah. It's like, it's going to kill me.

Yeah. I've always thought that would be a great last thought. Mm hmm. Yeah.

I don't think it's going to end this way. First off, I'm very hopeful about the course of our species. We're going to get it together. We just need to stay together.

Mm hmm. But if it is going to end, and at some point it will, hopefully in hundreds of thousands or millions of years, yes, I would like it to end all at once for everyone. I don't want a Kurt Vonnegut cats cradle situation where there's like 12 people left. Yeah.

I mean, well, the 12 people can make it, but they kind of can't. And that's the thing. What I don't want is to be the last person. Well, good news.

That's phenomenally unlikely. The odds are bad. Yeah. Very bad.

Not only because the odds are bad to start, but also just because you're not the kind of specimen who's going to make it to the end. I mean, correct for a number of reasons. Yeah. But mostly a lack of preparation.

Well, I mean, I also think like, what's your fire building skill? Right. Not great. I could work it out.

I would say that you're in the bottom 20% of global survival skills. Maybe. Yeah. The unfortunate thing, of course, is that it's not going to go that way.

It's going to end as T.S. Eliot. So perfectly wrote, not with a bang, but with a whimper. Yeah.

I don't know how we got here. We were answering a question about snoring. Oh, right. Because my headphones.

White noise. Yeah, use the white noise. I solved your problem. And then we went down a rabbit hole.

All right. This next question comes from Taylor who writes, Dear John and Hank, I was thinking the other day about spices. There's Italian seasoning, Asian seasoning, etc. What is Asian seasoning?

I don't think there is Asian seasoning. I don't think they're either made that up. Yeah. There's no like French seasoning.

There's basically, is it just Italian seasoning? Yeah. And Italian seasoning is just a mix of like fairly common herbs. Yeah.

Italian seasoning was made in America, for sure. Not only that, I think a lot of the herbs in Italian seasoning are actually foods from the Americas. So they didn't exist in Italy until like 500 years ago. Yeah.

But anyway, Taylor's question is, is there an American seasoning? And if so, what does it taste like? And the answer, of course, is cool ranch? Yes.

Yes. There is it it. There is. And it's the thing that they sprinkle on cool ranch Doritos.

Yeah. That is our flavor. We made that. That's not the only one.

But it's the most us one. Yeah, there's also sour cream and onion. That feels very American barbecue also. All the things that go on chips.

Yeah. All the chip, all the main chip flavors feel pretty much what you know about us and fried things. Oh, and then you go to Europe or Asia or Africa and they have entirely different chip flavors. Yeah.

And all of their chips taste wrong. Yeah. In Australia, the big one is chicken. Yeah.

I'm like, it's a chip. You can't say it tastes like chicken. No, I don't want it to taste like chicken. There's shrimp ones too.

Yeah. Lots of places there's and I was like, no, no, the bad part of the shrimp is the flavor. Oh, have I ever told you about the art performance that I went to when Sarah and I first started dating? No.

So when Sarah and I first started dating, she worked in an art gallery and there would be these art performances, you know, where like artists would come and they would like interact with the audience. And as you can imagine, Hank, my favorite wall is the fourth wall. Yeah. I love a fourth wall between a performance and me.

Yes. And so a lot of times these artists would like inside the audience and maybe they would touch you or they get right in your face. And I liked Sarah so much. But this performance art made me so uncomfortable.

But anyway, one time there was an artist there who was handing out hard candies that were crab flavors. And then what did you have to do with it? Did you have to eat it? He watched me while I put it in my mouth.

And you know what it tasted like? Crab. It tasted like crab. Yeah.

It tasted like crab, but it was a candy. But without all the like butter and good hearts, no, it tasted like the worst parts of the ocean. It tasted like the last thing you taste when you drown in the sea. Which reminds me, John, that this by guess is brought to you by the worst parts of the ocean.

The worst parts of the ocean. Somehow they got into the crab. But they really did though. I'm not a big fan of crab in general.

I have to say. I hear that. Today's podcast is also brought to you by your apocalypse song. Your apocalypse song.

You know, just have it queued up on Spotify. Just just keep it ready. Keep it ready. The podcast is also brought to you by my brother John's Earthbound soul.

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This is my first number one. Yeah, I actually come to think of it. Like I'd like to table the question of where my soul ends up in my next life and instead talk about universal healthcare, radical inequality of opportunity and access to systems of power. Cool, cool, cool.

Anyway, today's podcast is also brought to you by cheese. Cheese, don't steal it. Oh, come over the love of God. Yeah, especially that with someone watching.

That's not even stealing. That's bullying. It's still stealing. It's the end.

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All right, we got another question. This one comes from Justin who writes, you're John and Hank, when someone sends me a Christmas card that is just a picture of their family with a holiday themed order, how long am I obligated to keep that card and what do I do with it until then Justin? I mean, you're not obligated to keep it for any amount of time. It is okay.

And I do this sometimes to look at the card and look at the back of the cards. John's looking at me like he's upset, but and then put it into the recycling. Oh, I was just looking at you like I was upset because I don't think it's necessary to look at the back of the card. Now, I only do that for I do that for some honestly.

It's like I get them from weird people who like I know peripherally, but the families that are part of my life, we have an area during the Christmas season where we put them. Yeah. And then after that, sometimes they go to the fridge and and they a number of them will hang out all year round until they get replaced, which reminds me of the time when I was in maybe like a sophomore in college and I went to visit Arnani and Pawball in Birmingham. Yeah, this story.

And on the fridge were all 13 grandchildren, but not me. It's just like looking. Yeah, looking. Yeah, someone on there.

There's Brankston. Yeah. There's Sanders. Yeah.

Oh, there's like six of Hank. This next question comes from Catherine who asks Dear Hank and John, I don't know if you all have any experience in this realm, but I just had a bad performance. My pitch was off. I totally cracked on one of the high notes that I was supposed to belt.

Afterward, everyone said I did such a great job and I just felt like everyone was lying to me to make me feel better, which only made me feel worse. How do you guys deal with your brain replaying a horrible moment over and over? And how do you deal with flattery that makes you feel like garbage in an awkward abundance of Catherine? Well, I have had a similar singing performance.

In fact, it's the only kind of singing performance I've ever had. What do I know about? Do I know about this? Every time I sing on stage, I miss the notes.

Oh, sure. Yes, but you're not expected to hit them. Yeah, at this point. Right.

I mean, I guess I've had a lot of nights like this, though, where I walked off stage. I really shouldn't have said that. I, you know, I don't have any feelings or like, or like I really ruin that joke or right really miss an opportunity or like almost every night. Yeah, I walk off stage and think like, Oh, I wish I hadn't done that.

And I replay it over and over and over again with worry. I think that is normal because you're in a high stress environment. It's also possible that like you felt really pitchy and you weren't as pitchy as you felt. Yeah, because sometimes I feel like I had a disaster show and no one noticed or people in the audience had a great time because really a lot of their fun is not dependent upon my performance.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I think and always remember that the things that matter to us, we're going to have moments where we don't get to the point we wanted to get to.

And that's like, that's okay. It's part of having something that matters to you. And having that like sit on you and having you worry about it. That's a symptom of it, it mattering.

And you don't want to eliminate that because the only way to really get rid of that worry is to have it stop mattering. And things mattering is the most important part of being a person. As for how to handle it when you know somebody is telling you that you did great when you know you didn't do great, there's three possibilities here. One is that they didn't notice.

Like they really do think you did good because they don't have the same understanding of your craft that you do where like you don't really understand how much you know about what you're doing. And it can really it can really sound good to an audience of people who are not musicians when even if it's not like up to your par. It could also be that they're just being nice. And it's okay to just sort of let this convention be and accept that your friends and family just want you to feel good about, you know, the thing that you really want to be good at.

Now, if you have somebody that you can be really honest with and like sort of talk constructively about your craft with, that's really wonderful. And and you should do your best to find people like that. But you're sort of like support structure of people who don't have a good understanding of, you know, the challenges that go into performance aren't the people you want to look to for that kind of criticism or sort of critique. Yeah, exactly.

I think it's about the nature of the relationship. So early on in my writing life, I had many events that were attended by fewer than five people. And I didn't know how to perform for five people. But it was very helpful to have someone in my life like Sarah who could like go back to the car with me and be like, yeah, that wasn't great.

Here's what you could have done better. What could you do differently? Right. Having someone in your life where you can trust to be that person is really helpful.

All right. We have another question from Cassie who writes, Dear John Hink, I know it's natural for children to ask questions. But when I became a parent, I was not prepared to hear the same question repeated over and over. Oh, God.

My almost four year old daughter asks me 10 to 15 times a day if I am hungry. Why? Is it normal? For the first month or so, I was very patient with it.

But it's been like four months of this and I will lose my mind if she keeps it up. How do I coax her out of this phase? I don't know. Cassie.

Oh, no. I was really hoping you knew because Orrin has one right now, which is what street are we on? Oh, what street is this? Still on street, buddy?

This one. And if we don't answer him, he just keeps asking. Yeah. He gets the different streets are different because we're trying to do a new one.

He's like, what street is this? Can we tell him? And then he's like satisfied, but only for 30 seconds. Yeah.

Well, I do think, I mean, at least from my own experience, I am not a parenting expert. It's developmentally normal. Both my kids did that. Yeah.

It was it was challenging at times. I will say this. It's nice when they're little and they ask you questions that you can answer and that you know how to answer. Yes.

Instead of when they get older and they ask you questions where you're like, I don't know. I mean, I don't really know what causes wind. Why is there wind? I know.

I know. I know about how wind works, but like you explained it in broad terms and then they ask a specific question and I'm like, I thought I guess we could call them clank. Yeah, molecules, molecules. They get warmer because of the sun and then things happen.

Events occur. And so what we tried to do a lot of times was to like respond with respond to the question with the question. You know, somebody says like, well, mommy, are you hungry? And you say, do you think I'm hungry?

Oh, yeah. Now you're thinking what to make the kids think because what this is. I mean, if I'm going off my own self is it's one of those sort of like mental ruts that you get stuck in. One of the behaviors that occurs when nothing else is going on.

And of course, the quintessential one now is you pick up your phone. And so instead of picking up her phone, your daughter is asking you if you're hungry because nothing else is going on in that moment. So maybe try and create something else that is going on in that moment, which is hard when you're in the car seat and on a street. And you're just like, it's still on the street, buddy.

Right. But also hard at any time because my job is not just to entertain a child 24 hours a day, but for several hours a day, absolutely. Parenting is a tremendous and extremely strange adventure. Child brains are super weird and wonderful and terrifying and everything.

All right, John, before we get to the important news from Mars and AFC, well, then I have a comment in regards to a previous episode. It comes from Morgan who writes Dear Hank and John, I was listening to a previous episode of the pod in which Hank talked about how when he finishes puzzles, he puts them back in the box. Is this something that people actually do? I grew up with a sister who is a puzzle enthusiast and every time she finished one, she would glue it together with Mod Podge, is it like what adhesive?

Maybe they don't have that in other places and then add them to a pile of completed puzzles in the basement. Are you saying that isn't proper puzzle protocol? Have I been duped? Yes.

Well, there's more than one proper puzzle. You can do puzzle has however you would like to. Yes. But I think that if you do the Mod Podge, you end up with a completed jigsaw puzzle that realistically you never look at again.

Pretty much unless unless when we were kids, there was a puzzle that we looked at throughout our entire childhood that was the Muppets. The Muppets. That was Mod Podge. Yeah.

And it was hung up on the wall. And it was hung up on the wall. And that, I think, right. That makes sense.

Yeah. Get in a frame, display it. Okay. But I'm a big fan, actually, of finishing the puzzle.

Oh, yeah. Looking at the completed puzzle, thinking I did it. Yep. And then taking apart the puzzle.

Taking apart the puzzle. It's a little bit of your favorite part. Yeah. Well, because part of what for me, the pleasure of a puzzle is the coming together and doing a part.

Doing a puzzle. But also, in some ways, the undoing of it, because it's an acknowledgement that like, this is how systems, this is what systems return to. Right. Yeah.

And also that like, it is so much easier, like infinitely, immediately easier to destroy them to create. So much easier. Random is every state. Unrandom is one state.

It's remarkable sitting here in a hotel room thinking about like, that this is the one state of not disordered. And, you know, given time, it will all become complete disorder again. Well, and also to be inside of a human life with consciousness, requires, this is the ultimate order. It requires such a level of order.

So do every one to with your puzzles, though. John, what's the news from AFC Wimbledon? Well, AFC Wimbledon played Portsmouth. Portsmouth is an interesting club.

They were in the Premier League within the last, I think, 10 years. And then they dropped all the way down to League two and they almost dropped out of the football league. And in a lot of ways, AFC Wimbledon was an important model for them because it was a very similar situation, although not with the same level of disaster that happened to Wimbledon, where the Portsmouth fans ended up having to buy the club and run the club as a fan community. And in that process, they were really inspired by Wimbledon.

Now they are back up to League one, and significantly better than us. They have a good stadium. They have a large fan base. And they won the game.

So they won two to one. It was an interesting game. We deserved to lose. And so it was appropriate that we did.

There were moments where we played well. Joe Pickett scored a really good goal. And it was good to see him scoring. The other thing that happened in the game is that Scott Waggs now for turning from injury got a red card in very weird circumstances.

He came on as a substitute in like the 60th minute or so, almost immediately got a yellow card. And then just like 15 minutes later got another yellow card and got sent off and both looked deserved to me. So that was a little frustrating. And in general, like our form has just not been very good.

We now have had only one point from our last three games, which is worrisome. And the franchise playing its trade in Milton Keynes has gone above us on one point above us. So we are now teetering on the brink of the relegation zone just one spot away from the relegation zone with about 21 games left in the league one season. So a long way to go.

Long way to go. It's been another difficult season. The truth is it's going to be difficult to be a league one until we're in the new stadium and maybe even after that because it is really, really hard for a club that is the size of Wimbledon that's owned by its fans. And so it doesn't have deep pockets to compete year after year in league one.

So hopefully we can find away. We've found a way every year so far. We'll see. Well, in this week's Mars News, John, one of the big mysteries in Mars is where all the water went.

There's about 10% of what we think Mars used to have left on the planet in the form of mostly water rest in the planet. But there's also some ice crystals in the atmosphere. There's a little bit of water vapor in the atmosphere. And we know that roughly that Mars is water went to space.

So the water gets pushed up in the upper atmosphere somehow, and then it gets decomposed into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen then gets blown off into interstellar space by the solar winds. So that's that's our rough idea. But it seems like it's happening faster than we expected.

And the mechanism of that, according to a paper that was just published in science using data from the exo Mars trace gas orbiter, which is just up there, designed to detect trace gases. And what they found is that when we had this planet-wide dust storm, that was big news. I remember. Yes, it was very sad news.

The other planet-wide dust storm and that allowed the atmosphere to warm up. And as it got closer to the sun and he made up even more, the atmosphere was able to hold more water vapor at higher altitudes. And a lot of that water vapor was probably also sucked up by the dust storm and got higher up. And that water vapor wasn't able to condense into droplets.

So it remained gaseous. And that allowed it to be broken down into hydrogen, oxygen, and sent off. So the dust storms have in part been seem like they might be part of the process for how the water leaves the planet. And as there were more dust storms, more water left and more water left, there were more dust storms, that kind of thing.

Oh, we are never heard of one of those disturbing neurological cycles that we can't fix once they start. Oh, God, that's terrifying. Yeah, we okay. What if 90% of our water flies off?

Well, that's first of all, that's like a billion year long process. Second, we are protected by solar winds by our magnetic field. So one of the main things we have to do is not let the internal dynamo of earth shut down so that we maintain our magnetic field. And that good news is something we have no control of at all.

Could it happen? Probably not anytime soon. It will eventually happen. Great.

I will probably be dead by then. I mean, like humans, that's us. Okay, great. So if the amount of water on Mars is merely going down over time, will it eventually get to zero?

Probably not because Mars is geologically active. So there will be water that gets locked up beneath the planet's surface that has no way of getting out. Okay, okay. So I don't need to be that worried that we're going to lose all the water before we can get there and drink that sweet, sweet, salty grossness.

It probably tastes like crab hard candy. Probably worse. But I don't know. If that's possible, wouldn't it kill me?

They would definitely kill you. Good to know. Unless you did a little work on it. Do you have to do some chemistry on it first?

Well, I mean, if you put me on Mars tomorrow, I would not be ready to do that. That's why we're keeping you here with your Earthbound soul. Well Hank, thank you for providing with me. It has been a pleasure.

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