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It's a podcast! Where two brothers answer your questions, give you dubious advice and bring you all the weeks news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon John. Yeah. They say sometimes that the buttons are the most important part of the calculator but really it's what's inside the counts.
If that got a chuckle out of you then there is something wrong. Oh there's really have entered into a new era of Dear Hank and John. There's something wrong Hank. We have entered into a new era arguably not just of this podcast.
But what most concerns me is the pod, John, of course. Right. Well I think that what got me about the joke was that I was like it is what's inside that counts. And then I was like oh yeah it counts.
Yeah that's why it's funny. You did it. Speaking of calculators Hank I haven't been able to think straight in like two months. Sure.
Is that the end of the sentence? Yeah it's just like it's a little bit that like my experience of being a person has been the opposite of a calculator. The mental clarity that that piece of that piece of silicon appears to have. Right.
John there's one thing that I cannot stop thinking about it. The fact that the Microsoft is now making a laptop that has an SD card slot that is meant for use by media professionals. And I okay so that's no let me I got to stop you right there. I'm sorry.
Okay. If Microsoft is making a computer that has an SD slot. Where does the dongle go? Here's the thing John.
Yeah. You won't need another thing to make the computer go. Whoa whoa whoa slow down. I thought everything in 2020 was getting worse.
I thought that was the that was the theme of the year. Yeah. You're telling me that we're going back to 2016 in terms of computers. Well and I don't need a dongle.
So but I will tell you this as I was going through the process of building this computer and potentially purchasing it which I've not done yet. But I'm considering it heavily. It was like which subscription would you like? And I was like huh.
And they're like if you want this computer you got to pay us a monthly amount and I'm like not how it works. Yeah but it has an SD card slot though. I feel like I feel like having to subscribe to software is the dongle of software. No user likes it.
Not a single one. No but no. Companies love it. Yeah.
Companies love it. Anyway get your sock subscription at dftba.com. Do we have a sock subscription? Not yet.
I'm very excited about having a sock subscription at some point. Anyway we are totally opposed to subscriptions except of course for people who subscribe monthly to our patreon or people who subscribe to the bizarbeepin club or people who subscribe to our virtual book club life's library. Hank wants to do a sock subscription. I do.
I want to do a sock subscription really bad. And because I need one. Here's the situation. I want to sock subscription for a high quality sock that benefits charity.
I want that in my life. And so I being the person who owns a merchant company can do that. Yeah. Because I like socks they wear out man.
I need new socks and I want good ones and I want to book cool. The thing is one to two pairs of socks per month. Yeah. Is the perfect sock speed for me.
Yeah. Well let's say one. The thing is Hank one pair of socks per month that comes to my house without me having to think about it. Yeah.
Actually is like the perfect exactly sock solution for me. Right. They're always they're always trying to make you buy 12. And I'm like I don't need 12 socks.
I need one every month. I've thrown away one pair of sock this month and I need one new pair of sock. Yeah. Thank you.
And I like the idea of all the money going to charity. I think that's that's yeah. That's right. Who needs money right now big sock.
Does big sock need money? It's true. There's too many sock billionaires out there and Hank is going to redistribute that wealth on his own. Bring them all down.
Take down big sock John. I don't know what to say to that. Let's answer some questions from listeners. I like the fact that we just spent all that time pitching a product that we haven't made.
It doesn't exist. Yeah. I mean I have been doing a huge amount of sock research. Yeah.
There's a lot to know. There's a lot. John. I have a question.
Sure. It's at the very top of the list despite the fact that it is number 34. So I feel like you wanted me to. I put it at the top.
I put it at the top. It's as steer Eigen John. In your latest episode you mentioned the whole in the ozone layer while analyzing smash mouth's top hit all star and said smash mouth was wrong to imply it caused climate change. Apparently I have a smash mouth level of understanding because like doesn't it?
It's been a while since I've heard anyone talk about the ozone hole but wasn't it connected to climate change in some way? Good luck pronouncing my name. Signe. Signe.
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Yeah. That sounds right. Or signe. So I'm not trying to say that the ozone layer doesn't affect the climate which in change does affect climate change.
But it is a different effect than what we think of as climate change which is the sort of heat trapping effect where there's several different kinds of gases that are in our atmosphere that absorb radiation as it is re-emitted by the earth. And so instead of that radiation escaping back out to space it stays in our atmosphere and then gets redistributed around the planet into the oceans onto the land. So you have this net increase in the amount of energy in the system that is mostly heat but it's also things like wind and evaporation and all that all that good stuff. Where the ozone layer is mostly a thing that prevents UV radiation from getting into the planet which does have some effects on how much heat there's in the system.
It makes certain places cooler. It changes some wind patterns, wind currents. But it's most important effect is that it just increases the amount of radiation that is potentially ionizing which means it could hurt people reaching the surface of the planet. So it is a different overall thing but it also affects the climate.
So the TLDR version of this is that Smash Mouth was largely speaking correct in All-Star. It's just that they didn't emphasize what is the driving force of climate change. Which doesn't have much to do with the whole ozone layer because that's caused by a different set of chemicals being emitted into the atmosphere. Correct.
Yes and is it luckily an easier thing to control because the set of chemicals that breaks down ozone in the atmosphere is really well known and also you can release a very few of them and it can have a very large impact but if you decrease that very few substantially then that also has a large impact in rebuilding the whole. Which we have mostly done a fairly good job of. There are occasionally times when we find that these chemicals have been started to be released by countries who say that they won't and we have been pretty good at figuring out when that happens and stopping it from happening. So it's good to have global cooperation for a number of reasons and the ozone hole is one of them.
Yeah most of the big problems that humans face are not problems that acknowledge or are aware of political borders. Yeah. Which is one of the big challenges of 21st century life and certainly these days. Yeah.
How we address that. I mean that was a question before 2020 but how we address that has become kind of a critical question in the last few decades. I'm sure we're going to figure out a way. I'm sure we're going to figure it out just fine.
Oh man. I'm sorry just glimpse the void. What are we doing? Are we making?
I'm not sure. I think that there are we making a podcast? Yeah there's a podcast. We have a question from an 11 year old.
Maybe it's not so heavy. Do you want to read that from the 11 year old? It's incredibly heavy. Oh no dear John and Hank.
Before all of the you know I was really really close to my best friend but when we went into quarantine he doesn't have a phone so I haven't been able to be in touch with him and I've been talking to someone else way more but I don't want this quarantine to end our friendship. What do I do? Random 11 year old. Man.
Well phone is certainly not the only way to get in touch with people. You appear to have some method of emailing so hopefully you can. But you get why this is a bummer though. Oh yes.
This is a huge bummer for random 11 year old. Yes. Because the way random 11 year old is most comfortable talking to people is not a way that they can talk to their best best friend and that sucks. I don't want to minimize how much that sucks.
One thing to know is that friendships in your life will like sometimes they go on pause for a little bit and then they can come back and that's the important thing here is that there will be a time when it can come back and to allow it to come back and to be excited for it to come back when it does and keeping that person in your mind and your thoughts if you can send them an email with a funny thing that you saw or a letter something like that. I mean if it's me and I'm 11 I'm probably not gonna like write a nice letter but I could be like I saw this dumb aunt and I wanted you to see it. Well I was gonna propose instead of doing that if you can't send them memes because they don't have access to the internet yeah print out the meme you know if you have a picture. And mail them meme.
Pray out a meme mail to meme say hey I saw this Pokemon meme and I thought of you because you're a real Charizard yeah and I miss you. You probably don't want to say I miss you because if I've learned anything about the way that 10 year old talk to each other yeah they never talk about their emotion directly and it's actually just do it just say I miss you I miss you so badly and I hate printing out Pokemon memes instead of getting your share with you and class directly and I miss you and I miss you and I hope that you're well and when this is over we're gonna be besties again. No John we got it we got it I think this is not a bad surrogate I think this is a new method of communication and it's called mail order memes. Don't monetize it Hank.
It's huge. It's huge. No monetize. Well look we had zines when I was growing up and those were cool and they were so hit mail order memes is just zines with a different name.
I don't want to monetize it. Zines were never about making money. Okay great yes yes mail order that meme random 11 year old said and then create a service for everybody like everybody's gonna be figuring out how to mail order memes in the future because how else are we gonna do it and that's how we're gonna save the post office. That's what I that's the thought yes we need some way if even a fraction of the of the meaning that went on on the internet went on over the the US Postal Service with stamps yeah the Postal Service will be saved and by fraction I mean a fairly large track.
Yeah thanks to the Postal Service. That's what it's what I'm here for I'm here to save random 11 year old friendship and also the Postal Service. So if you have a printer you're going to print out a meme if you don't have a printer I have something even cooler you draw the meme you're gonna draw a meme that look Brian I don't know I don't know. Oh god wow John is that a contemporary one is that one super yeah that was super fresh yeah do they take that out of the box do they tick to that one one of the great things about not knowing what tick tock is is that I'm able to use it in sentences where everyone knows it doesn't belong but I'm genuinely unaware of whether or not it's which makes it funnier yes it does I've thought about this actually it's possible that tick tock doesn't exist and that like six or seven people have tricked me into believing that there is an ascendant social media platform that is partly owned by the Chinese government like it could be a practical joke it sounds fake because there are only like seven people who have given me reliable information about tick tock and one of them was a Wall Street Journal article but I know that those can be faked you know if you as back that about tick tock that that it like makes it sound even more fake what the Chinese name of tick tock is not tick tock okay it is the Chinese word for this noise is that true yep what I don't know I mean nobody knows no it's like the Chinese noise for when your phone has a notification yeah wow I mean for all I know by the way Hank is still lying to me and this is just an expansion of his larger tick tock lie but if that's a lie to write on oh no one will ever know it's a great lie was that enough tick tock John or should we tick tock more I think we've I think we've tick tock talk this next question comes from Chelsea who writes do you have a question that's giving me away because currently 2.39 am and I can't something about how many ants it would take to carry a human ants are really strong for their size right so how many ants would it take to carry an average sized human Chelsea Chelsea I was of course immediately upon reading your question completely overcome with the desire to also know the answer to this but also ideally to witness it yeah now it's never happened unfortunately so we don't have an actual definite number but what I can tell you is that many other people have gotten this idea stuck in their head and tried to figure it out so you're not the first and that's great news for us because that means that we have can do some research now here's the situation can I make a guess yes please first of all John's gonna make a guess first of I don't know I have no idea how much the average human being weighs so that's a bit about 150 pounds okay that's a bit of okay that is helpful okay I am gonna guess that it's around 2,480 ants wow you think 2,000 ants could lift a human no I think 2,480 ants could lift a human because I think the average ant can lift about an ounce wow you are incorrect dang it I'm gonna guess so 24,800 I know that it's it starts with a two and a four and an eight I mean what when we're making approximations like this it really isn't important how the what the first number is and it's important how many zeros there are and there are a lot more zeros than you're thinking so we the the stat we hear is oftentimes an ant can lift 10 times their own weight which is impressive because I cannot lift 10 times my own weight no I can barely lift my own weight well it depends on what you can buy lift I could carry I could carry my own weight I could certainly not lift it yeah but the thing is John there are many different kinds of ant and this number is different for the different kinds of ants so first different ants weight different amounts so if you can lift 10 times your own weight it matters a lot what your weight is yeah and then of course some ants can lift like 50 times their body weight it turns out so if we take the most conservative numbers that this is a that this is a big ant and it can lift 50 times its own weight yeah I cannot tell you whether that is a true thing it would take 1,360,000 ants wow to to carry a human now if it was a smaller ant and they could only lift 10 times their own weight that would be 68 million ants but either of those to me still sounds small like I don't know how many ants are in the average ant hill I'm sure it's not 68 million but it's a lot and I feel but I like mainly I think like you could get 1.3 million ants in the same place so if you could convince them like you could get them together I don't doubt that you could definitely get them together but then you have to convince them to pick the person up they could do it I think that's the hard part I think that yeah I think that's the hard part also to be clear the human would have to be super into the idea right that to be sounds really easy yeah so it's really about it's really the question really is how many ants could lift a cooperating human because you put on you put on a newspaper answer to how many ants would it take to lift a human who did not want to be lifted is a lot hundreds of billions from all the ants I don't think all the ants in the world could lift me if I didn't want to be lifted I don't know man you know that all the ants in the world weigh about the same amount as all the humans in the world that seems totally possible to me yeah I think that we are about equally successful you know yeah when I look at like how humans are doing yeah I think we're like ant level successful we're not right but only recently yeah it's only you know for a long time but they were doing way better than us yeah but I think John it would be very easy to find a cooperative human you put out one podcast and be like hey do you want to be the first human to get carried by a bunch of ants somebody's out there who's like that is my dream and I know that John because it's like like 50% of me is that person I am I am most of the way there I'm not all the way there but I feel like I could be convinced no no no I feel like I could be convinced I'm not getting lifted by ants I'm not going to Mars I'm not being lifted by ants yeah I can't like the more we talk about the more I kind of want to be lifted by ants I mean how many times do they bite me like if it's if it's less than 10 I'm in it's not gonna be less than 10 if it requires 2.6 million ants look so it's a lot of ants it's anywhere between 1.3 and 68 million ants yeah but if we can convince them to pick up a person we can like we should also be able to convince them not to bite the person right we're talking some serious coercion I think the hardest thing is going to be talking the ants into this endeavor because absolutely I feel like the ants are going to be like but why yeah there's always a human who will do something that's not hard there's one thing I know about people there's a person who will do it ants less I'm less convinced that they're that they're as dumb as we are where it's like somebody's gonna be like heck yeah also you have to get a lot of them to cooperate it's not that humans are dumb it's that we are more willing to step outside of the expectations right and more able to step outside the expectations which reminds me Hank what do you think the second best movie fiction about ants ever made is uh because first is ants obviously it seems like it seems like I feel like it must be a bug's life then I think about the honey I shrunk the kids oh yeah I mean I don't know if you can call that if you can call that an ant movie there's definitely good ant in that it's the only thing I remember about the film I mean there's also ant bully I don't know if you remember that one no high quality film john interim interim project here last episode of Dear Hank and John I asked people to try and name my soda stream right there were lots of good ones submitted there were several that were just good names and I'm like yeah that's a good name but there are also some good puns buzz is a person that is a person's name but it is also the noise that my soda stream makes when it is finished streaming up my soda there's also Izumi which is the Japanese word for fountain or spring which is just seen as daughter's middle name which is that's very good uh and I like that I like that as the name of my soda stream but also of like soda stream in general I feel like the better name for that company yeah the Latin word for bubble is bula which is a great name and I also like the suggestion fits so I think I'm gonna go with fits because it's kind of the noise that it makes yeah and I like the name yeah I like fits I've always liked fits as a name it's a bold name for a human yeah but I like well it's like it's got a column fits you got a name of fits William but then you call him fits and then if he wants to in the future he can become a William or a will no that's a good that's a good I like that solution and I'm going to give of course my soda stream the same option I will call them fits but their official name will be fits William and if at some point in the future the solution would like to be called will or will you or will you then of course I will comply that's very generous of you Hank let's get back to answering questions from our listeners this next question comes from anonymous who writes near john and Hank I was cleaning my room this week when I found my old backpack from ninth grade naturally I began to look through it and I found some old pens some notebooks and an unopened can of diet Dr Pepper oh because of my isolation I haven't been able to go to the grocery store to buy a diet Dr Pepper in a few weeks and I've been seriously craving some this soda is four years old can I drink it or will I die thanks anonymous don't leave a diet Dr.
Brown in the Sun why but otherwise I think you're probably okay because that's like aspirin breaks down okay UV radiation okay um you'll notice you'll know what happens so I know the answer to this question okay oh of course john does yeah usually I don't have strong science question answers but with this science question I'm an expert the answer is that you can drink it and nothing bad will happen to you almost very probably nothing bad will happen to you that stuff it's made of so many preservatives like I saw a video once where retin link drank soda from 35 years ago and they were fine oh wow I mean of course I had that idea for a video and then I like looked it up on eBay and I was like I'm not gonna pay $50 for a soda of course they would and their video is great by the way everybody should watch it sure it's much better than if Hank so if you drink Dr. Pepper from like more than six months or a year ago it's likely to be flat and potentially to be like completely flat oh weird and so there's a chance that if it's four years old you're gonna crack it open and instead of hearing that noise that we all associate with happiness and completion and fulfillment that delicious bubbling sound instead you're gonna hear like and that just a that's probably a good sign that it's not gonna be good you know the perfect experience but it might be better than not having diet Dr. Pepper at all I disagree if if the if the fizz got out then things can get in and I'm not saying that like uh I'm not saying that you know they don't they don't allow for the possibility and have ways of controlling the growth of bacteria and fungi but if things if things can get out things can get in I wouldn't drink one that doesn't fizz myself I listen I would not drink a four-year-old diet Dr. Pepper Hank and that's really saying something because I would drink almost any diet Dr.
Pepper like my standard for food safety is completely misaligned with my standard for diet Dr. Pepper safety there is no connection between the two yeah but even I would not drink a four-year-old diet Dr. Pepper so the summary anonymous is that when Rhett and Link tried something similar they were fine but Hank and John would not drink four-year-old diet Dr. Pepper and we would drink most things I mean if it if it fizzes when I open it I probably would drink it I give it a taste I'd say what's up I think it's fine there's no fizz I'm worried don't take our advice this is a dubious advice podcast John this next question comes from Sanjana who asks Dear Hank and John my 2020 goal is to read 100 books and quarantine has made that easier however I'm now reading books faster than I can find new ones what are your favorite ways to discover new books well when I'm discovering actually new books like books that haven't come out yet or are just coming out I tend to discover them via reviews or friend recommendations so yep there are a couple review journals I read regularly and I read the New York Times book review but most of the books I read come from other books I've read because that's the age I am so I feel like I'm not going to be helpful on this front what do you mean by that like if I read a Dorothy Sayers novel that was interesting I like to read another book by Dorothy Sayers but when it comes to older books I usually rely on bookseller friends or librarians I know because they've read a lot more books than I have and so they can make better recommendations than I could make yeah I guess I read a lot of science fiction and the thing about science fiction is that it's not really telling you about the future it's telling you about right now and that is generally it's not always that way sometimes I read like just straight adventure and but you know the stuff that is deepest and then I like the most is usually about right now so I tend to read stuff that came out in the last three to five years and I read a lot of stuff that just came out and I really like that I really like that experience of reading something that I sort of know was written with now in mind and I do that by going to like I literally type in like 2020 science fiction and there will be lists and they will tell me about the book in you know there's a bunch of different blogs that do these lists and there's a lot there's just so many good books that are constantly coming out of course the books that are coming out right now are more expensive than the ones that were out like a year ago or two yeah if they're out on paperback by now but they cost the same when it comes to my Libro FM or audible subscriptions because it's just one credit so that is how I also consume a lot of book these days and hey what we're talking about books I really want to encourage people who are shopping for books to go to bookshop.org they're not sponsoring this podcast or anything I just think it's a really 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theories and there's a lot of anthropological evidence that doesn't bear out the commodity theory the two other major theories are the state theory that a leader or king created coins and put them into circulation to better control commodities and more easily collect taxes and the credit theory that money emerged from interstate trade as a way to track debt so we are sorry for probably getting money wrong unless we just got it more we got where money came from wrong but we got money right like yeah right there's lots of things we don't know exactly where they came from but we still know lots about them we also got a really long and beautiful email from abby in which abby argued that smash mouse all star is in its entirety about climate change okay um a lot definitely some of it is no so the argument is that lines like didn't make sense not to live for fun and the years start coming and they don't stop coming is smash mouse way of trying to to express the tension between the life that we want to live on a daily basis and the long-term consequences of those living strategies it does there is a disconnect between the rock and roll stars that we are living like on a day-to-day basis and being able to seriously reckon with the long-term consequences of that rock star lifestyle yeah i mean i agree that it is largely about that i don't know that that has to be about climate change like that is about a lot of different things and also you know we have the line we could all use a little change we could not all use a little change all of the time particularly in regards to climate change which we could definitely use less of well we could use change when it comes to changing our behaviors to minimize the amount he's literally talking about buying gasoline it's it's a pretty strong counter argument let's move on to this other email from Brandon who wrote dear john and hank i just want you to know that the death star is not darth vader's home it's where he works it's not the only person no let us know about no but Brandon let us know in the terse's way which we appreciate the death star is where he works he lives in a castle on moustefar the lava planet in episode three and it is very black c below image and then sent us a picture of darth vader's house which by the way is called fortress vader because he's a very humble person we'll put this picture on the patreon at patreon.com slash jr hank and john but this picture is not the home of a humble person no no it is also much more black than the death star yeah so it continues to be true that his house is black john you know what happened on moustefar and if you are the person who is involved in that historical event i'm trying not to have any spoilers here would you want to build your house there and then he builds a house there that's a fascinating choice when you got the whole galaxy to pick from yeah yeah but in a way hank like going back to moustefar and building a huge fortress called fortress vader is a way of saying like i did it i overcame adversity you thought that i was done but i'm not done i'm just getting started i'm gonna build a very very tall very black home that's right i'm gonna call it fortress vader because that's the kind of person i am i call it i'm gonna call it big strong house me i don't by the way i'm renaming my house hank fortress john fortress john okay we're moving on to the news from marz and a fc Wimbledon there is actual really important news for may fc Wimbledon yay it appears that the league one season is going to not be finished okay it is not yet totally clear how relegation will be decided or how promotion will be decided but that as it happens is completely irrelevant to us it seems likely that three teams will be relegated out of league one into the fourth tier of english football all of the proposals that i have seen for how this will be done as far as i can tell result in afc Wimbledon not being relegated okay all right Wimbledon whether it's points per game or points per game weighted toward how many home games you played or total points it seems like in all of these ways Wimbledon finishes just outside of relegation which i think will mean that this is the third consecutive season that Wimbledon has been the worst team not relegated out of league one which is an incredible accomplishment i mean it is it really is i mean Wimbledon have the smallest stadium not just in league one but would have the smallest stadium in league two and the fact that we somehow find a way year after year to not get relegated is amazing now i'm sure it gets frustrating after a while to see your team lose two games for every game they win but oh my gosh it's yeah so that is what it looks like it's going to happen this is not the way anyone obviously wants to finish a season and i feel awful for the teams that will be relegated because yeah i mean in the case of two of them it was inevitable but for tranmere which is the team right below Wimbledon it's super unfair and this is a terrible way of doing it i don't know that there is any more fair way though right it's just a bad situation and obviously you know among the bad situations this is one of the least bad ones but it's a bad situation but it does seem like Wimbledon are not going to get relegated this season if you can even call it a season well i suppose that is good news at least for you right instead of just playing the season all over again i guess yeah so there's there's some argument that the season should be voided and other countries have done that where they just say this season didn't exist but that of course punishes the teams that were going to get promoted and in a couple cases punishes teams that basically already had achieved promotion so there's no in some ways there is no fair way to resolve it right hank please tell me that we are still going to mars this stupid year the plan is that we will still go to mars this stupid year we're not that's not what my news is about my news is about the high rise orbiter which is uh is tastes very pretty in good pictures of the surface of mars it's the high resolution image science imaging science experiment uh on the mars or consensorbiter so it's been doing tons of science for a long time and one thing that it did recently is it took so because it's it can shoot like straight down and then you can see straight down but it can also shoot like across the surface a little bit if it means like not directly down below it and so it can actually take pictures of the sides of features and it took pictures of a cliff face inside an impact crater and that cliff face was created more by rivers more than 3.7 billion years ago and from those images we can tell that the cliff face is made of sedimentary layered rocks meaning they were those layers were formed by water depositing minerals uh over a long period of time and they were also able to determine that those rocks were formed by rivers that were around and active for a long time probably anywhere from tens to hundreds of thousands of years so that's obviously telling us more about the past watery world that mars was and that is very exciting and also very exciting for the planned launch of the roslin franklin exo-mars rover from the european space agency which will be going and looking at these kinds of areas to learn more about sedimentary rocks to learn more about mars' ancient watery past so there's a pretty good chance that mars was once like really alive full of life yeah life would have been visible via the instruments that we've already used to observe mars uh yes um certainly it would have been observable in atmospheric data so like just like the stuff that life makes biosignatures is what we call like it's just different chemically but we're kind of getting that biosignature in the form of the methane clouds right so like it's possible well maybe yeah we don't know what's up with the methane we shouldn't make too many guesses about the methane we don't see the kind of biomarkers that you know we would if we were living on mars looking at earth exactly yeah yeah or if just like life or plants or anything or even bacteria but like it's all it's it's much more likely that uh there was just single celled life on mars yeah because that that was a long long time on earth everything was just single celled and it took a long time for colonial stuff and then like actual multi-cellular organisms to happen so uh one thing that we are pretty sure of is that that's a is that it would be single-celled it wouldn't be like there's a bunch of plants and stuff it would be easier to spot in the fossil record but like who knows like it's you know there's there's we have been to a very small portion of that planet a very small portion of that planet has come here in the form of meteorites for us to study so it is very difficult to know until we have a lot of active research one thing i like to imagine sometimes is that i know there aren't any people on mars but i like to imagine that there have been people on mars the whole time and that they've been looking at us the way that like we're now trying to look at mars yeah and so for a long time like for billions of years they were like boy they just really are not making a lot of progress over there you would think that they'd be doing better with all that liquid water and oh man so much so much chemical potential there and they can't seem to get a second cell or even a eukaryotic cell and then for like and then for like the last 16 million years they must just be so impressed what is happening even after that meteor hit like we found a way to keep going they must be like you know this planet they're really onto something yeah we got a lot of resiliency that's for sure uh but it's it's been interesting the whole time check out pbs eons on youtube it's really good history of life it is so good all right john thank you for making a podcast with me um as pleasure as always we are off to record our patreon only podcast this weekend pretty good stuff um and we'll also be putting up some stuff on our patreon that you can see without being a patron not a requirement john this podcast was edited by joseph tuna medishes produced by rosiana hals rohas and sharad and kipson our communication coordinator is palo garcy of pre-etto the music you're hearing now and begin the podcast is by the great kind of and as they say in our hometown don't forget to be awesome