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It's a podcast where two brothers answer your questions, give you to be some advice and bring you all the weeks news from both Mars and AF's Wimbledon. John, did you know that there's a cow that lives in the foothills of Manavarist and he understands that? Oh I didn't know that. Everybody just sees him laying there.
Why was it a cow? I don't don't think. Well it shouldn't be a cow because it's a cow's our female. Yeah it'd be her laying there.
Nothing worked about that joke for me and if you're going to put a cow in a joke it's like check offs gun like that cow better go off. No it's a misdirection. It was a red it was a red. It's not a great red herring.
I'll say if you read a mystery novel and your red herring is the cow that you went to. It wasn't a red herring. It was a red whole steam. Now see that kind of saved it for me.
That kind of saved it for me. I just had to think really hard for a type of cow that started with H and it only took you like 20 full seconds to think of a kind of cow even though you live in Montana which has more cows than people. It's true. Now Hank usually we banter a little bit back and forth at this point yada yada who's you wetsi but this we have to get to a question this week.
It's vitally important. It's from Izzy. She writes Dear John and Hank during my last zoom session with my 70 something year old French tutor she shared her screen and my eyes were immediately drawn to an audio file on her desktop named Screaming Frog. I think about this at least five times a day.
Is this a recording of a screaming amphibian and if so why are they screaming and why is this on her desktop? Can frog scream? Focusing on the subjunctive mood wasn't easy. Is he?
Well is he? I feel like focusing on the subjunctive mood is not easy right now in general. I'm not sure what a subjunctive mood is but I think I've seen plenty of them on Twitter. Not only can frog scream but one time when I was in high school I was awakened by a screaming so loud and so human that I left my bed put on my pants went outside jumped up over my neighbor's fence because I was worried someone was hurt and it was a frog.
Yeah I mean let me play you a clip of a giant screaming frog that is I believe the name of the frog and this is a sound that is maybe on your French tutor's computer. I can't wait. Now why is a separate question? Yes that is a screaming frog.
That is a screaming frog. So yes frogs can scream. That does not answer the question of why there is a screaming frog audio file on your 70 something year old French tutors desktop. Yeah so I have a theory about this.
Oh John has a theory. Okay so my experience with older people and also with myself I count myself among older people is that essentially all of our files are on the desktop and so somebody sent like some grandchild I'm imagining sent an audio file of a screaming frog and Hank as you know grandmothers can feel proud of anything and so the tutor was probably like oh my god I can't believe my grandchild figured out how to send an email attachment that's wonderful I'll download it and maybe I'll even like put a copy of it on the refrigerator. Yeah I have to keep this. Yeah it's a thing that I know that it is now a part of my memory and a gift that I have been given and so I must keep it that I must keep it on the desktop.
But I showed that video to Henry my son who's 10 and he then showed it to all of his friends and then like they ripped the audio and are sharing it with each other so it's happening all over again Izzy it's whatever happened to your seven year old French teacher is about to happen to them again because it's making the rounds. Yeah screaming frog is now going viral on the young person internet which is just I guess do they just email each other how do they communicate for 10 year olds mostly email email and G chat but sometimes they will hold up pictures of memes on their iPads while in Google Hangouts with each other because they're not that great at like you know emailing memes and it's hilarious because they're like hold it up and then they can't really see it and it's like so so Squidward says. Oh my god. That's the best part about that is that they don't they don't really know who the SpongeBob characters are so like there's this whole world of memes that they don't fully get because the memes were made for people like five years older.
Right right we're too old you and I are too old for SpongeBob memes yeah and they're too young for SpongeBob memes like we completely missed this giant SpongeBob era we did now the nice thing is that you can't miss the Pokemon era because it began after us but it will continue forever. It's true it's true this next question comes from Clemens who asks Deir and can John my roommate and I both like to write so I told her a story from your podcast where John said that in his books it's always Friday like a character does something on Friday and then two days later they do something on Friday we're wondering as published authors you both write with some certainty that your manuscripts will be worked on by professional editors so before you had editors would you have edited those sorts of details by yourself with those mistakes have made it through to your draft do you now write with less intention about those details because you know that an editor will look over your work thanks not a pope Clemens this is interesting I'm very curious about how you approach this John yeah well so so I remember when I was writing looking for Alaska and I didn't know if it was going to be published and it seemed unlikely that it would be I thought a lot about how do I need what do I need to do to make the book better to get an editor interested in it and one of the things that I thought about was oh I should like make sure the timeline lines up yeah and especially with that book because it's it's so specific I needed this I needed it to be exact mirror of the first half of the second half and everything and so I did go through I still made a ton of mistakes as it turns out but I went through and tried to do it part of me it's an error and I don't want to say that it's not an error and if it pulls someone out of the story it's a problem but part of me thinks like that's how we remember stories like that's how stories get told like story it doesn't bother me to have inaccuracies or unreliability moments in in a novel because I don't think of it as an authoritative text that said like it's nice if the calendar makes enough sense that the reader doesn't think about the calendar now that's separate from thinking about the structure of the of the novel which I do sometimes do earlier but yeah I don't I don't worry about whether it's Wednesday until the very end and Julie Strasgable has on many occasions like made actual calendars for the world's and various stories including stories that never came out unfortunately but yeah and I always treasure those and find them really beautiful because it feels like you know in Julie's mind and in the in the mind of this calendar the the book is really happening yeah I mean I did do that and I actually use my my personal Google calendar we like go five years into the future and I'm just like okay here's where the story is gonna happen so five years from now my Google calendar will suddenly be like this is what's happening in a beautifully foolish endeavor yeah it's cool that's how I have done it and I also use I use a piece of timeline software called eon timeline but I only use it for like things that are happening in a particular day so like hour to hour things when there's like different people doing different things during a climax that's the only time I use that I didn't use it for like you know day to day stuff but like when it was like everything is happening right now and there's three different people doing three different things all at the same time I needed to make sure that that was making sense and that helped that helped me write it rather than like me trying to fix things and making sure that the timeline was right I needed to write it in a way where it all made sense and I could see where everybody was at any given moment in time and indeed it does have a thrilling climax so I should say that a beautiful foolish endeavor is available for pre-order everywhere and comes out July 7th and has thrilling climax and there's signed copies in the UK now there's signed copies that are available also I have never used that software because I've never written a climax I think they're overrated so much fun why not just have to book end sex which comes from Jess you write steer john and Hank my partner and I were supposed to get married in April which did not occur because if you know however my grandma without me asking has already made me a fruitcake for my wedding and now she's mailed it to me the problem is wow I don't like fruitcake well I mean Jess of course you don't like fruitcake nobody does I don't like any cake you can mail well this is one of the great unifying things about 21st century life on earth and humans is that all humans hate fruitcake and yet it's still happening is the main advantage of fruitcake that is malable like I can't imagine mailing a cake and having it sort of like make it through unless it's a fruitcake I think the main advantage of fruitcake is that when people ate fruitcake 80 years ago right a it tasted relatively good because people didn't know about chocolate red velvet chocolate cake yet and it does last a lot longer and so you know like you can eat fruitcake at least in my experience for a week or two after it's made definitely it's not any worse than it than it is fresh out of the oven but then I think it also reminds people of a time in their life that they want to be reminded of that's the only reason I can imagine why someone would like fruitcake is if like you know because they're things that are gross that I that I like the taste of because they remind me of childhood like I don't labor under the delusion that brown sugar pop tarts are a high quality breakfast item but I still enjoy them when I get them because they taste to me like being 11 but not the bad parts of being 11 just the good parts right but right the question was what does Jess do with this fruitcake? I just I did look up when I was prepping for this like what do you do with the fruitcake and I found a list of like 10 things you can do with the fruitcake that you have what you don't want and all of them were bad they were all one was like fruitcake croutons and I was like go away so I think you got to eat at least some of it Jess because it's some grandma it's gonna be a good memory it's a thing for you and your spouse to do together in these times that are strange and you'll form a memory and it'll be a good story I think you just slather it in icing not like good icing make yourself but like icing that you get from the grocery store you just slather it in icing until it's slightly moist and then you choke it down which I think is what everybody does with fruitcake yeah and then the rest of it you make into dirt with the compost or if you want to like share it with friends and family and say like hey do you want some no of my grams fruitcake she's a very nice person that'd be great if everybody felt okay about gathering oh god I keep forgetting about that I keep forgetting that there hasn't been a soul in my home since March 13th who isn't in my nuclear family oh god all right Catherine asks dear Hank and John I'm applying for jobs in college and I found one that involves working with mosquitoes this intrigues me considering I am very interested in insect based research I read the job description and it said that I need to quote provide mosquitoes for experimental use no how do I acquire mosquitoes do I need a dealer for that bug it out Catherine wait hey is this is part is this a thing in research that you've got to bring like you got to bring your own lab mice you got to bring your own mosquitoes you got to I've never heard of this before what I'm curious about is whether this job is just providing mosquitoes and it's like here's what we need we need a mosquito creator a person who like are there other piece like is there research component to this or are you just a mosquito harvester in in either case though it is not hard to get mosquitoes I mean yeah Catherine you should just come to my backyard where there are actual billions of them no that's that that you can't do that that's a lot of work but to catch up to get a lot of mosquitoes what you need to do is you need to put out some standing water and then you can squeeze some nutrient into that you might just blend up anything blend up any fruit or vegetable squeeze it into the standing water mosquitoes will lay their eggs in there but as soon as you see eggs laid in there you need to put some netting over the top of it so that they can't get out when they hatch and then once they hatch you just pinch it off and you have a bunch of mosquitoes there's YouTube videos that will teach you how to do this so yeah that's how you get mosquitoes I don't know if I'm worried that though what you're seeing as a potential research job is just that you are a mosquito farmer which is which isn't a bad job no it's important I guess it's important somebody needs to do that yeah for the research as you know Hank I really want to see the the number of mosquitoes on earth decline precipitously yes the only multicellular organism that I am fully opposed to and ticks yeah like I'm very opposed to ticks but I'm fully opposed to mosquitoes the slight difference I guess is that they made a they made a TV show called the tick that was very good oh yes based on a comic book series that is also very good that we're in and I like to read together now even though it is definitely not for children yeah so the tick is a one and a half star animal to me because it inspired good art the mosquito is a solid single star oh god if you could get if you can get it up that high mosquitoes is bad but sometimes you have to create more mosquitoes for there to be less mosquitoes so that you could do research on them yeah I get it I get it Katherine Hank has told you how to become a mosquito farmer and I for one look forward to your career as a mosquito farmer and your eventual memoir on the topic called adventures in mosquito farming I watched the youtube video and they were making this person was farming mosquitoes for their larva so that he could feed them to his fish and he had all the stuff in his house and my thought was man like you get sick for two days and your house is full of mosquitoes like if you just like can't go home for a second yeah like the larva hatch and then you're gonna house full of mosquitoes this is a bad strategy yeah don't do that yeah try not to keep them in the house it was a good video though well that's great I'm so worried what I want to say to you Katherine is you can do this but you're gonna have to be on it you can't listen to a podcast while you're farming mosquitoes you have to be paying attention constantly because you need to make sure that not a single one of those little people gets out of your control yeah because then you might be responsible for somebody getting really really sick not no pressure um but again again like the pressure that we're all under at the moment so you know what it's like Katherine let's move on this question comes from george who writes dear john and hank I've consumed a fair amount of television program these programming uh george's spell is programs weird which makes me think that george's from the united kingdom or somewhere else where they spell programs weird yeah television programs based in the usa and i have questions about your country primarily our neighbors not expected to knock in the us or do you all just walk right in wander the house and yell your neighbor's name it seems like that's what happens on tv and it strikes me as quite rude the only people whose houses I walk into without knocking our family members if you have time i also want to know what to do is with the red cups at parties why do you have special party cups and why are they always just red why don't you use normal glasses yeah georgia i'm pretty sure so i don't even feel comfortable walking into family members houses with knocking just for clarity me neither i barely walk into my own house without knocking i have had friends in my life who i can walk into their home without knocking but a hundred percent of the time that home has been a dorm room i at this point yeah i don't expect to go back to that life but if you are making a television show you need to get to the jokes yes and having waiting for someone to answer the door isn't how you get to the jokes right so if that is a movie magic thing where in movies and tv shows there's a level of comfort that you don't see elsewhere actually this was made fun of in seinfeld if i recall correctly by the fact that cramer would always just like come in and then like slide across the room it's exploded in the room yeah and we all got that joke as being a sitcom like a reference to a thing about sitcoms whereas georgia watching it without that context might have been like well this guy's just extra rude but yeah i think that's why i think that's just movie magic i don't see that a lot in the united states the red cups thing is also to some extent movie magic because if the cup is clear then you got to make the stuff in it look like beer or wine or whatever you want it to look like and that can be a little bit of an annoyance whereas if the cup is red usually it can just be whatever yeah and there used to be rules i think about when you could show beer being consumed on television like there were times there still are there are still those rules if you want to make a pg 13 movie you can have kids holding red cups at parties and i think you can even have them like sipping from red cups at parties but you cannot have that have it be clear that it's beer wow it can't be unambiguous that it's beer and so that's part of it but also i will say and i'm not sure whether the chicken or the egg came first but every party that i've ever been to that has like a keg of beer at it also has a bunch of red solo cups and i don't i don't know why yeah i think that they're just a uh that the solo cup people did well they they took over that market and the brand is solid john i would like to go back to the neighbor walking into the house and ask a question sure do we all a little bit wish that we lived in a in in in that life where our friend like we had a tight enough relationship with our friends that they would just walk in no no no that's just you you're the only person who has that wish no no no because i know who knows what i'm doing in here that's my business i mean that's true that is true all right i've got other questions comes from jazz who writes dear john and hank i'm gonna be able to vote very soon and i'm super excited thank you hank for how to vote in every state it was very helpful hank has helped make a show on youtube called how to vote in every state that helps people learn how to vote in their states because depending on what state you live in the rules can be extremely different i know it doesn't seem like the best system we can talk about that later jazz goes on to say but i still have many questions like how frequently does voting for out happen in america why are so many people against voting by mail why do americans need to register to vote unlike so many other countries grateful to be living in an amazing democracy jazz jazz i love your optimism but i also feel like i should note that you said your question in ten weeks ago so what most people living outside the u.s and many people living inside the u.s don't understand about our election system is that we don't really have like one election every four years we have many many different elections we have dozens of elections every four years and also dozens every two years because every state and territory in the united states runs their own election now there is some level of federal oversight about this stuff there are federal rules for how to make a good election happen but there's a lot of flexibility in those rules and in some ways this decentralization is bad and it's annoying and it's frustrating but in some ways it by design at least it has some benefits the main benefit being that you can't really like rig an election or you can maybe rig an election but in doing so you only rig one out of the dozens of elections yeah there but there are a bunch of advantages to this um another is that like you know different states get to do it differently based on their different circumstances so in some places with really remote voters like in oasco where it's very hard to get to a polling place for a lot of the population they kind of have to have voting by mail like it's sort of it's ludicrous to think that you have a different way and that that's also the case in in montana is we have vote by mail and sort of the reason why is supposedly is that uh is that there's a lot of people who live in really rural places at the same time those also tend to be places where there is uh a more homogenous population where there are fewer black people and so a lot of the reason people get freaked out about about voter fraud is much more about this perception of how somebody who is not them uh and they see as sort of an outgroup is going to influence the election and is going to sort of take over and somebody who they like sometimes you know this is a real thing in america we don't see this group of people as like they should have a voice or we see them as more likely to be criminal or something like that and so you know you see that the voting rights tend to be looser in places where there are mostly white people and when white people feel threatened traditionally and historically and even today then you have these more restrictive voting rules that's that's a thing and i think that like you know when we look at why we're worried about voter fraud a lot of times that comes down to you know being afraid of your fellow citizens because you see them as different from you or as sort of outside of of who you would like to enfranchise i mean i think that's the more generous way of stating it i think another way of stating it is that you don't want those people to vote because yeah their votes would count and thereby make your votes less powerful yeah i yes i think one of the many ways we see systemic racism in the united states is in the voting laws and the voting regulations that continue that it's obviously very different from the kind of open unambiguous voter registration bias that existed in the jim crow era but it is still a huge problem in the united states and that is what a lot of the conversations about voter fraud are about because the truth is that voter fraud is very very very rare it's relatively easy to catch and it just isn't a big problem it just isn't yeah it isn't a big problem in vote by mail states it isn't a big problem in vote in person states yeah and like vote by mail as a person who you know in montana you sign up for vote by mail every election you get the ballot in the mail you have several weeks to think about it to do research to know exactly what you're going to be voting on it also off it also often comes along with a pamphlet that's like explains the different ballot initiatives to you it's really good and it is very frustrating to me that other people don't have this way of doing it um where you know you don't have any sort of outside pressure you and like people who want to go to the polls absolutely can the lines are shorter because people who don't want to go to the polls can vote by mail but also like it just means that my chances of getting busy that day and not being able to vote are nil like it doesn't happen to me and because like the thing shows up in the mail and then I do it and I just like that so much and it's very frustrating to me that that's not an option for many people yeah and to your last question jazz about why americans need to register to vote unlike so many other countries that's also a question with a bunch of different answers but one of the key things to remember is that other countries not all of them but many other countries when they went to universal suffrage where every adult could vote regardless of you know race or gender identity or anything else when they went to that system they went to that system in the united states we ostensibly went to that system and then didn't actually go to it because we had a another system placed on top of it that was in place to prevent black people and other people of color from voting and so that system that was on top of this idea of universal suffrage existed until the mid 1960s and the vestiges of it are seen all over i mean all over everything but all over our voting system especially a lot of the rules and regulations that built up around this were built up around an idea that like not everybody like we don't really have universal universal suffrage and so we're kind of trying to create a world of universal suffrage within a series of regulations that still don't quite reflect that reality that that you know we claim to want yeah there's actually one state that does not require a registration event north Dakota does not require voter registration so it is possible to do that that's the the other thing that like there is an advantage to having 50 different voting systems which is that you see what works and what doesn't and so we can say that in places where there's vote by mail there isn't more fraud because we have places where where it's you know vote by mail is an option for every voter so having different systems and letting people test out different ways of doing it does have an advantage and that's one of the i think one of the strengths of the us is that we have these sort of independent states inside of the country where you know you run a lot of different experiments and see what works and what isn't working i think sometimes it's a strength sometimes it is not a strength regardless it's not working and they keep doing it regardless everyone who isn't sure if they're registered to vote or that their registration is up to date can go google how to vote in every state or just how to vote in your state and uh thanks youtube video should come up but also lots of other other helpful resources and you can get registered and vote whoo whoo whoo all right this next question comes from savanna who asks i've been freaking out about this for days help do magnets work in space yes there isn't a reason why magnets wouldn't work in space but i did bring this up because not only do magnets work in space but if you take a magnet to the international space station and you let go of it it will point toward the nearest poll on earth whoa feel like the if the south pole is nearer it will flip so that the south side of the magnet is pointing at the south pole of the earth and then as the international space station goes over the south pole it will turn to face directly downward to point at the south pole and then it will turn as you fly away from the south pole turning the entire space station into a giant three-dimensional compass that is amazing i just love that i've been reading this biography of edmond haly the guy that haly's comment is named after i've actually been reading several biographies of him and he was obsessed early in his career with with earth's magnetic fields which are very weird but like we're especially weird in the 17th century like it seemed just really really weird that yeah you know magnetic north wasn't quite north and all that other stuff yeah and he's he helped create longitude which was very difficult to do much harder to do than latitude in part by sailing around the world and like figuring out different parts of earth's magnetism but the main thing that i've concluded for meeting all of these biographies is that no matter how much i read about earth's magnetic fields i will never understand it yeah well i mean i think it's important to note that like we as a species don't yet totally understand it so that's there's still a lot of mystery there yeah like every few pages i'll think i'll have it and then they'll introduce some new idea and i'll be like wait what like all the time that's just here and i'm always reminded of that classic insane clown posse lyric yeah which is not a sentence i'd say very often uh epic magnets how do they work yeah which everybody made fun of but like how do they work yeah i mean it is very weird i mean it's it's for clarity it is just as weird that we stick to the surface of the earth like yeah we like that is also very very weird it's also weird that like atoms stick together like that you put a bunch of protons which repel each other at the center like basically touching and then they stick together yeah they stick together and they don't just rip themselves apart that is also very weird all those things are sort of equally 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scientists can tell if there were planets that no longer exist like what if there was once a planet that existed with life on it that maybe just i don't know exploded or something and it no longer exists is that a thing we're able to figure out best Nicole well we're not able to figure out if that planet had life on it but there's definitely a number of ways that that planets either no longer exist or are just not around anymore that seems like a very subtle distinction um yeah i appreciate i really appreciate you leaving open the possibility of a ghost planet so basically no called rogue planets wait what and what happens is uh so during during and this usually happens in early in the formation of a solar system so the chances that life has evolved on a planet when one of these things happen is low but what can happen um you can get sucked into a gas giant and become a part of it you can smash into a rocky planet which is how we got our moon there used to be two you know planets like planet sized planets that were uh it in orbit roughly in the same area and then slowly over time some perturbations happened and they slammed into each other and this is where we think we got the moon probably that was way too early for there to be any life to have evolved on either of those planets so it didn't kill anything but you could imagine a situation where it could happen you know a billion or so years into the formation of a solar system and life has evolved by that point the other thing that can happen is uh during a uh an orbital perturbation where there were these events early in the solar system where like planets like switched places and like the whole thing like would move around in really dramatic ways and during things like that you can have a planet that gets ejected from a solar system and in that case the planet would not be around anymore but it would not be destroyed but anything that was living on it unless it was living in a hydrothermal vent situation would then be uh dead because it would not get the energy it needs from the sun but life that was based on on chemistry um or you know differences in temperature gradients because of volcanic interaction that might still continue and it's really interesting to think of like life on a road planet far away from any star and pure darkness no no animal has any way of sensing photons because photons do not exist unless they are created by animals or organisms I guess I should say and they would then just sort of like hover around the areas where there were chemical or thermo gradients that they could utilize to uh you know power their own far from equilibrium states anyway wow not that I think about that all the time that's really beautiful that's fascinating to contemplate it is a thing that can happen wow john this week in mars news we're talking about planets and stuff so let's let's continue uh this so some new research indicates that at one point mars may have had rings and uh and also it may have rings again in the future which is really interesting so mars has two moons phobos and demos phobos is the one that orbits closer to mars and is also much younger it's only 200 million years old which is so the solar system is like like almost 5 billion years old so that's pretty young in terms of the solar system uh dmos is about a billion years old and both of the moons have like quirky orbits dmos travels in like a slightly tilted path so uh it still does like two degrees off the equator and that might not seem particularly exciting people actually didn't pay that much attention to it but this is important for this new research so at some point we think 30 to 50 million years from now phobos is going to get close enough to mars that gravity will tear phobos apart and turn it into a ring so we think we've known that this might be a possibility but they recently ran some numbers and found that this is probably like what this has probably happened before and when that happened the like the pre phobos moon so it wasn't really phobos it was like 20 times larger than phobos and uh and then ripped apart and then recollected itself and in that process that is probably what caused dmos's little tilt so we used to think that this tilt was like basically just a thing that happened and like was just a quirk but now we're like oh this is probably because this like continual tearing apart and reconstruction of this moon uh is the thing that that influenced that it seems like the next time it will not reconstruct itself it will be too close to the planet it will become a ring wow and and probably won't have a chance to reconnect itself into a you know a significant moon again and but it will also for clarity be very bad for anything on the surface of mars because while that ring most of the stuff might stay up in orbit but a lot of it will fall to the surface of mars yikes yeah that i i don't think i understood how rings happened until just now well they have a different and different places it basically there it is one of the two stable ways stuff can orbit a planet you either have a solid blob or you have a really spread out um really localized slice of stuff uh that can that can stay in orbit around the planet and be like tiny little bits instead of one localized glob right well that reminds me hank of the great tsl line this is the way the world ends not with a bang but with a whimper which in turn reminds me of the end of a fc Wimbledon season they're not coming back they're not going to play the last however many games it seems they are going to finish or at least try to finish the premier league season but it's clear that league one and league two are not coming back it also i mean seems that Wimbledon will not be relegated but as part of the season ending uh there are end of season awards that i wanted to let you know about since i guess the season is ending not the way we would have wanted obviously the women's team was looking to have a very exciting uh end of the season with lots of stake and that is of course not happening which is a huge bummer uh but they will go again in 2020 and 2021 that season hopefully it restarts in the fall and i wanted to let you know about the players who won the annual awards the sponsor player of the year was steff man the manager's player of the year was sarah went and the players player of the year was kelly hyman kelly hyman is an absolute rock for a fc Wimbledon and uh i just uh yeah i was super happy to see that the team found a way to honor those players and acknowledge them and their contributions this season even though you know everything is impossible this also means that both the men's and the women's team as well as the youth teams have played in all likelihood their last game at kings meadow which will now be the home of chelsey football clubs women's team and pfc w by the great ganarola and as they say in our hometown don't forget to be awesome