25.4 - Sukkah Daf 31 A (6 lines Up)

Today’s learning is Dedicated to Leslie Simpson, Paul Simpson, my dear Bubbles, and most of all to HaShem Sponsor a day's learning (thousands of minutes!) for only $72 click here https://www.flipcause.com/secure/cause_pdetails/ODUwOTU= Rava: An Esrog must be Hadar. According to Rabbi Yehuda a lulav must not be Hadar. Summary Challenge: Rabbi Yehuda doesn’t hold that an esrog must be hadar. Beraisa: “One cannot add to the 4 minim just as one may not subtract from them. If one does not have an esrog he can’t use a plum, pomegranate or a different fruit. If [the minim ] are wilted they’re kosher, but if they’re [completely] dried out, they’re possul. Rabbi Yehuda: Even if they’re completely dried out they’re kosher. Rabbi Yehuda: It happened in the big cities that they would bequeath their lulavim for generations. Chachomim: That’s no proof! They didn’t have anything else!” We see here that Rabbi Yehuda approved of using a dried out esrog, which is not hadar. Resolution: That part of the beraisa is discussing only the lulav. We learned: One cannot add to the 4 minim just as one may not subtract from them. Question: This is obvious? Response: Since Rabbi Yehuda says “a lulav must be bound” we would think that the extra min is not counted. We learned: If one does not have an esrog he can’t use a peach, pomegranate or a different fruit. Question: This is obvious? Response: One might want to use a different fruit so that the necessity for an esrog is not forgotten, but it might cause a ruination if people become attached to using different fruit. Beraisa: An old esrog is possul. Rabbi Yehuda holds it is kosher. This clearly disproves Rava’s premise (25.3) that Rabbi Yehuda agrees an esrog must be hadar. Challenge: An esrog does need to be hadar, as we learn in the mishna: “If it is green like a vegetable* [cress] (and it doesn’t have the potential to ripen and become yellow) it is kosher according to Rabbi Meir but possul according to Rabbi Yehuda.” Isn’t that because Rabbi Yehuda holds it must be hadar? Resolution: No, it’s because it must be a finished product, and if it was cut when so green, it will never ripen. ____ Click here to listen to the shiur with Tosfos *https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fP3Su4uJcWOLcded4SKUzZvqGzxHaZ6w/view?usp=sharing* * Tosfos: The word Yerek can be used to denote yellow, green and blue. Here it means green. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate