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It's a podcast where two brothers came and maintained a high energy level through the intro. Oh, I thought I actually thought that I was sounding positive and cheerful. Did that sound negative? No, I couldn't hold on to it through the first sentence.
Yeah, well the first three words. What we do here is we answer your questions, we provide you with dubious advice, we bring you all the weeks news from Mars and AFC Wimbledon and we stare into the middle distance wondering how we're going to make it through this. John, last, you know we've been talking on this podcast a lot about bad accents but I would like to now have you listen to the worst accent. Here it is.
What was that? That was Dark Temptation. I don't know what Dark Temptation. The Body Spray.
It is an accent. I worked on that one for a long time. It's good. It's as good as a dad joke gets.
It kept delivering. Yeah, it kept you off, kept on your heels there. I'll balance. That cheered me up considerably.
Hank, I wonder if we should address an issue that has been on both of our hearts pretty heavily. Do you think that there is any way that this will still, like people will remember this a week from now? I think we could job their memory and yes, I do think that there is a chance because the thing about the song All Star and the thing about the band Smash Mouth is that they have sailed through the calmest seas for 19 years and nothing that they could do could mess up the perfect trajectory of their stupid one hit until- I mean, I'll just let me let you know what they've been up to. Let me tell you what bothers me about Smash Mouth playing a concert in South Dakota in front of hundreds of people in August of 2020.
It's not that decisions like that writ large are the reason why millions of kids can't go to school, although that is frustrated. What gets me about Smash Mouth playing a concert in South Dakota in August of 2020 in front of maybe a thousand people not wearing masks is that Smash Mouth has plenty of money. They're doing okay. They are fine.
I don't have access to Steve's bank account. They're good. I think he's doing okay. They have All Star, the song that has been played more in the last 19 years than any other song.
It is unfortunately the yesterday of the 21st century. Somehow. Somehow. Somehow.
And like, can't you just be grateful for that? Yes. Yes. Can you just say, wow, what a wonderful thing to have happened to me despite the fact that it's like an okay song.
I think since I can stay home, I will stay home. But it and also like, do you like that? Do you like, I don't know, it's August and South Dakota. Do you want to go to South Dakota right now?
That's what you want. Hank and I have spent an inordinate amount of time thinking about the song All Star. Yes. Like truly more than anyone else on Earth.
Like maybe, except for maybe Steve. We might have thought more about the song than Steve has thought about the song. Steve, of course, being the lead singer of Smash Mouth. We don't know his last name.
That's one of the things we haven't found out in our 30,000 hours of thinking about Smash Mouth's All Star. It starts with an H and N's and an L. I can tell you that. I already regretted like 96% of the time I spent thinking about Smash Mouth's All Star.
Now I regret a 400% of it. The only silver lining to any of this is that thank God we didn't do your proposed 478 part video series where we make a video analyzing each shot of the All Star music video because now we would be like 80 episodes into that series. We would both hate it in the same way that we are both deeply resentful of certain other All Star related projects. And we would still have like 400 videos to go and we would have to make those 400 videos while knowing that Smash Mouth is part of the 2020 problem.
Yeah. Yeah, that is a thing. I have been expecting one of us to make a video that sort of like takes on the topic of when you start doing a thing and then like you're a certain way through it and you like realize that like it's not that great. Do you finish or in like just bear it and be like well at least at the end like there will be this feeling of I accomplish the thing or do you just like leave it hanging there?
Have we done or worse than that like like 75% of the way done. I hope you will make this video Hank and I hope you will begin the video by saying say you're 75% of the way into a really stupid project that you already like semi regret that like you originally started to try to bring people joy but at this point it's become like a catalog of absurdities but you can't figure out a way out of it and then at that very moment Smash Mouth plays a concert in South Dakota. How do you move forward? And you can call the video or you could call the video hit the ground running.
Oh god. People who don't know anything about our relationship with All Star Must Be So Confused Right Now but like Hank has been like I don't want to explain to them. Okay. Yeah, great.
Let's not let's just move on this first question comes from Mais who writes to your John and Hank I was painting with a ceiling in my bedroom listening to Smash Mouth's All Star and it got me thinking at one point to the layers of paint make a noticeable difference in the volume of a room. Oh, okay. This is this is a great question because it raises the possibility of a really beautiful and cool art project wherein you paint a room over and over and over and over and over again until you eventually literally like paint yourself into a corner. Oh, you know like you paint yourself into into a situation that you can't get out of.
I find that like a very beautiful idea for conceptual art but that is not Mais's question. So like the phrase paint yourself into a corner except like it's not that you have to like step on some wet paint is that like you die there. Yeah, yeah, it's like the casket of a Montelite Abadou Bedou but Abadou. You have to chisel your way out of the wall behind you and then and then what you've got John is a couple of things.
But one of them is a really giant supply of Fortite. When I went to visit the largest World's Artist Ball of Paint which is this idea in reverse and it is you know slowly taking up all of the space inside of the room that it's inside of. He occasionally clips off paint from the bottom because it drips down and starts to touch the floor because the ball was too big and those clippings are basically like stones with gorgeous layers of upon layer of paint and they look really really cool and this is a thing it's called Fortite and it's when at car manufacturing plants they spray paint the cars but then like paint falls in certain areas over and over and over again and that's actually harvested by jewelers and they carve that paint stuff into like stuff for pendants or for rings and it's called Fortite and you can buy it on Etsy. No, I think it's super cool.
That is cool. So you have created a massive amount of Fortite and Fortite isn't like it costs money. You have to buy it. So maybe you've just got like a gold mine there.
You'd also have to buy like the 400 million layers of paint that would be required to exercise this. It's true. Probably not super cheap. All right.
Yeah. Maisie goes on to say apparently you're supposed to repaint ceilings every 10 to 15 years and most people repaint their walls more often than that. So are all rooms shrinking? Yes, they are.
And it appears I've done a little research here per coat of primer is about 25 microns. So that's a millionth of a meter. So you'd have to paint a lot. But yes, you are sacrificing some of your cubic footage to paint when you paint.
So if you want to do the math, take what you will from 25 microns, but it's going to be a while. I wouldn't worry about your particular wealth, Maisie. Unless you're a conceptual artist and you're looking to do something really cool that will take you like three or four lifetimes. This next question comes from Poppy who asks, Dear Hank and John, why can't we hear when we yawn?
I had a yawn during the pod and I'm worried I missed something very witty and or insightful Poppy. A percentage chance there. Yeah, I wouldn't be worried about that specific thing. There's also a button on your phone that will let you go backward if you're that worried about it, but I wouldn't be.
But so John, it turns out that there is a muscle in your ear that protects you from yourself and that if we didn't have it, the sound of our own chewing would over time, deafen us. Wow. Really? What's the muscle called?
It's called the tensor timpani. And when it contracts, it does something to your eardrum to make it basically not be able to hear as well. And this, it will actually do that if you are exposed to a loud noise. So it doesn't contract immediately.
So like a short loud noise is more dangerous than a prolonged loud noise. Though, prolonged loud noises are also something that you should be careful of. So it actually contracts for a couple of different reasons. One is when our jaws are moving just to protect our ears from the sounds of our own jaw muscles, which is gross, and also chewing, which can be very loud if you're having something crunchy.
So wait, is that why when I'm like eating Doritos and watching TV, it starts to feel not only like the sound of my chewing is loud, but also like the sound of the TV is farther away? Yes. Yeah. So it's not just the chewing.
Oh, wow. Also, it is also a muscle in your ear, making it harder for you to hear, protecting you from Doritos, which would otherwise actually damage your hearing. You know the way that it is blowing my mind most deeply is that it makes the greatest movie ever made. My favorite film, Penguins of Madagascar, even one level better because there is a cheesy dibbles joke in Penguins of Madagascar that's one of the greatest jokes ever captured in the history of cinema, where the main character is being told by the organization that's come to save the penguins, the North Wind, that they are a highly trained organization that cares deeply about animal welfare, but the penguin is eating cheesy dibbles.
And so every time the guy starts talking, the penguins are like, Oh, I'm sorry. I can't hear you. I got the cheesy dibbles. I just haven't had these in days.
There's not good. The thing that is deeper for me about that joke right now that it was three minutes ago is that like the cheesy dibbles thing is the penguins way of like self-reflexively not hearing this voice of the Anthropocene saying, Oh, we care so much about animals, but only cute ones like you. It's like, Oh my God, it's a great movie. It's so deep.
It's so deep. And you know, the Tensor Company also can contract when you hear loud noises. So it actually has an effect of dampening loud noises to protect your hearing. If only it could do that for certain people's voices, who I am tired of hearing this in the year of 2020 and would just rather not have to hear anymore, Tensor Tippity work with me.
I need you to collaborate more effectively. I get so mad when people don't like famous about a gasket. Like sometimes I'll be at a conversation with somebody. I'll tell them that I really like as a Madagascar.
I know think that it's like a thing that I'm putting on and they'll be like, Oh yeah, that was an okay movie. Like it wasn't like Wally. No, it wasn't like Wally because it's 500 times better. Wally is a movie that is about exactly what it pretends to be about.
Whereas the Madagascar is both is about everything. It's about it. It's about a guy's car works on every level imaginable. It's like Citizen Kane or Ulysses like, Oh God.
This next question comes from Joey who writes, If it is true that the universe is both infinite and always expanding like constantly inflating balloon. Okay, Joey, get this. Everybody says it's like a constantly inflating balloon, except that a balloon has an edge, right? No, that doesn't John, not the two dimensional part.
It's not like the balloon getting bigger. It's the elastic getting bigger. The elastic is the edge. There is a place that is beyond the balloon.
It's right. It's a sphere. There is no edge to a sphere. Okay.
Okay. Okay. All right. There's no edge.
There's no edge in the same way. There's no edge to the earth. But there is a thing and the thing has limits and it is finite. Yes.
And the limits like edge in the most like, wait, you don't want to think about a constantly expanding balloon. You want to think about an infinitely large sheet of balloon material that is constantly being stretched out. So it is both infinitely large, but also stretching. That's what you want to think of, except it's three dimensional.
Imagine a t-shirt, except that it's infinitely large. I can't. Where are the arms? Okay.
All right. Continue the question. Anyway, does this all mean that we are always expanding to? I don't mean are we growing, like we're all growing psychologically and emotionally or whatever.
I mean, like what's going on with the empty spaces in my body? Are they getting bigger? And I just don't notice it because everything else empty spaces also getting bigger too? How much bigger is the universe inside me since I started writing this email?
How loudly should I scream in constant terror about the fact that I am expanding alongside the universe, Joey? So you are being held together, Joey, by a bunch of forces. And those forces still act over the same distance. And so the universe expands, but we, like the things that are being held together by forces don't expand.
So we are not getting bigger, but not noticing. So that would be really cool. And if physics had played that out, I would have been like, I guess so. I guess that's what the cosmologists say.
So I guess we're all just, you know, over the last 200,000 years, humans have gotten like two inches bigger because the universe is expanding. But the universe expands, but the forces continue to hold things that are being held together by forces together in the same way they were held together before. If that made any sense. I mean, it didn't, but to be fair, it also doesn't make any sense that the universe is both infinite and expanding and doesn't have an edge and you should imagine it as a balloon, but not like a balloon because it's infinite.
And I mean, the thing I've come to understand is that to comprehend this, I would need a different brain. And I would, I would, I would feel completely hopeless about it. Like, I'm just never going to understand how the universe can be infinite and expanding and have no edge, except that I was completely hopeless about ever solving a Rubik's Cube because I don't know my life or my right and can't navigate my way home from my best friend's house. But now I can solve a Rubik's Cube and not only can I solve a Rubik's Cube, but I consistently solve a Rubik's Cube in under three minutes and occasionally in under two minutes.
And so having solved a Rubik's Cube through the tutorial made by Robbie Gonzalez, I now feel like maybe I'm just one Robbie Gonzalez tutorial away from understanding how the universe is infinite, but also expanding. This next question comes from Yasmin, who asks dear Green Brothers, why does gatekeeping happen? Like, it just doesn't make sense to me why people wouldn't want to share the thing they love and talk about it and get excited about it with others. Yet for some reason, it happens all the time.
And even I kind of feel that way sometimes I don't get it. Humans are weird. Maybe you guys give me some insight. Sincerely, Yasmin pronounced Yasmin, though I try to be yes nice.
So I think the word gatekeeping has changed a lot since I originally learned its meaning in the early 2000s. So you may have to redefine the word for me. It meant the people who decide critics, librarians, people who are on award committees and the institutions like publishing houses and movie studios that decide what kinds of work gets access to a large audience. But it seems like maybe some of those definitions have changed or evolved based on Yasmin's question.
Yeah, I think that that's true. There's definitely that sort of idea of the gatekeepers. But now I think gatekeeping has talked about as a way of like, you can't come into this fandom unless you have certain qualities. I can't believe you don't know this.
Right. You're not a real kpop fan because you don't follow this or you don't know this or whatever. And I think that this exists in all kinds of things. I think it's true in sports and I think it's true in politics.
And to some extent, I think that there's like, we have our own personal experiences of how we started to engage with this stuff. And if your experiences are different, it's almost like, I don't understand how you can love this if you don't have my experience into it. Because that's how I love it. And so it's like a literal failure of empathy, which I think does happen.
Like, we fail at empathy all the time as humans. Yeah, there's also the fact that empathy is built to be limited. Like, if we all felt the death of each person who dies as if it were someone in our family, it would be difficult to function. Yes.
But when it comes to those barriers to fandom, I also think there's an element of trying to establish who's in by establishing who's out, like trying to establish who's legit by establishing who's definitely not. And people who are seen to be hopping on the bandwagon or whatever are treated or in some communities are treated like they aren't real fans. My favorite fan communities are the ones that are like, Hey, welcome on the bandwagon. You are 100% welcome.
Here's some stuff that you might want to know to help you on the sweet bandwagon ride we're on. Yeah. We're so happy to have you. Yeah.
Openly embrace them for who they are for where they are. That's the coolest thing. The second coolest thing I think is when you know a lot about something, but you like the popular thing anyway. Like, if you're like a huge fan of Hank's books and somebody says, well, so who's your favorite character?
And you say, Maya, that's the obvious answer. Like, yeah, she's the most charismatic person, the kindest person in the books. And you could say, I don't know, Carl, but it's way cooler, in my opinion, to say Maya. So I think like being infectiously enthusiastic and not being pretentious about your enthusiasm is a wonderful thing.
Yeah. And that's, I, and I also think it's really important to like allow for people to be at different places and to be enthusiastic when they are, when they say something that you kind of might feel is a little bit of like, like, if you're in this super into beer and the person is like, I'll just have a Corona and you're like, that's great. Yeah. I got that's wonderful.
Right. Wrong with the Corona. Right. Or, or really an enjoyable beer.
Yeah. Or I'll just have a liqueuroid. Fine. That's yeah, that's probably better for you in the end.
Definitely. Definitely. Which reminds me that today's podcast is brought to you by Corona flavored liqueuroid. Oh my God.
It's only a matter of time. This podcast is also brought to you, obviously, by the penguins who live in Madagascar. No, God, you really haven't seen the movie. The, the flateless birds that live upon the island of Madagascar.
Are there penguins that live on Madagascar? There aren't. Today's podcast is also, of course, brought to you by an infinite piece of balloon material that because it is infinite has no edge, but is nonetheless expanding into something, but that something is get this nothing. I can't help.
I'm sorry. This podcast is also brought to you by John Green, consistently solving you Rubik's cubes in under three minutes. John Green, consistently solving Rubik's cubes in under three minutes seems unlikely. And yet this is what the pandemic has wrought.
It's I mean, now I dream of Rubik's cubes and in my dreams, like I'll wake up and I'll be like, okay, so that would be R U prime R U R two U prime L F prime. Oh my God. I can't stop myself. Thank that's very weird.
We got a project for awesome message also, John. It's from Kate in California to TJ happy 10th anniversary. You are my best friend and my soup snake. I don't think that was an auto correct mistake.
I think that's actually what it's supposed to say. And we hope that's a personal thing. Thank you for putting up with my nonsense and for all that you do for our family. I love you so much that this is the my only chance to convince John and Hank to be my best friends.
And instead, I'm spending it on you 16 years together has been amazing. And I can't wait to see where this adventure goes next. I am Y a whatever that is. I meet you always.
I miss you always. Maybe I is Mars your all star. I hope not. I hope not.
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This next question comes from Lindsey who has deerhank and John but mostly Hank. I recently moved to Missoula and though I've known for a long time about the M on the top of the hill, it's actually like three quarters of the way up the hill, I had no idea that there was an L on the adjacent hill. Why is there an L on the other hill? None of my house mates know so we've resorted to guessing that there are hills all across the state that spell out Missoula out of order like giant lost gravel pieces.
Any dubious enlightenment would be appreciated. The L probably does not stand for Lindsey. It does indeed not stand for Lindsey. So for context, if you visit Missoula Montana, which is a fairly small town, I believe Hank is actually the third largest employer in Missoula.
That's not true. I'm not. No, the third largest employer is a cafe that's also a casino. Anyway, when you go to Missoula, almost anywhere you are in the valley, you can look up and see this gigantic white M that's like three quarters up a mountainside.
And you can also see tiny little people walking up a series of switchbacks to visit this M which gives you a sense of like the overall quality of tourist attractions in Missoula. They're not going. They're mostly not going to see the M though. There is a bit of that.
I guess a little bit you're going to see the M but then you turn around and it's a nice view of the city. It's mostly what you're going for. But no one goes like past the M. I have the views even on top of the M but I've never seen anybody up there.
Weirdly if you continue going up from the M, you can if you are clever enough find a weird cave that's full of drug apparel. What? I don't think that you know what apparel is. Yeah, not apparel.
What's that word? Paraffinalia? That's the word. But I really like the idea of drug apparel where they just have like a bunch of weed shirts.
Yeah, they just have a large collection of free t-shirts with marijuana weeds on them. Anyway, on the other side of the somewhere else on a different mountain about three quarters of the way up is a gigantic white L. Yeah. And I've also never understood what is the deal with the L because I think are the M stands for the University of Montana.
But I do not know what the L is about. Yeah. So this is confusing. So some people think that the M stands for Missoula.
It apparently actually does stand for Montana, the University of Montana, which that part portion of the hill is owned by the University. So if you want to visit the M, you have to park at the University. But I've always wanted it to stand for Missoula, but it doesn't. Alas, the thing that I tell people because the story is actually not great and it kind of is just a little frustrating to me.
The story I tell people is that all of the mountains in Montana are labeled in alphabetical order. And we've got LM and then like down the way there's O. That's funny. Or N.
I guess. And it comes after it. It's fine. You're doing great.
Please tell me why it's L. The L stands for Loyola, which is a private school. It's not a particularly big private school. It's not a private school, but that mountain even.
And so there was at some point a reason why they got permission to put the L up on the mountain. But there are other schools and none of them got a mountain. And so I in general find this to be both disappointing and also questionable. Well, I love the idea of increasing Montana tourism by making it so that 26 of your mountains have gigantic letters on them.
And people then would try to like do all 26 letter mountains in one week or whatever. I think that that could be a big, big thing. I know that you're looking for your next big idea, for your next big project. And I think that it could be purchasing and labeling obscure Montana mountains.
Yeah, it should be a J because the mountain's called Mount Jumbo, which I just like a lot. Is it really? Yeah. Well, we're going to call this one Mount Jumbo.
It's so big. It's pretty big. It's not like super big, but it's pretty big. What about Jumbo?
Mount Jumbo. Okay, before we get to the important news for Mars and A.S. Wimbledon, we do need to address one issue that came up in our previous episode that we got a lot of responses about, which was your purportedly British pronunciation of compost still hurts my heart. One thing that everybody who wrote in from the United Kingdom agreed about, whether Scottish, Northern Irish, Welsh or English, is that your pronunciation was wrong.
But many Welsh people felt that it was Scottish, many Scottish people felt English and many Northern Irish people felt that it was Welsh. It was a little bit like how in the old days everybody in Italy called syphilis, the Polish disease and in Poland, they called it the German disease and in Germany, they called it the Italian disease. But but Jake wrote in to say, dear John and Hank, and I thought this was really fascinating. Okay, Hank put the stress on the second syllable of two compost and you two wondered it had something to do with Hank's inherent desire to have a British accent.
I don't think it did, writes Jake, but there is actually a good linguistic explanation for what happened in that moment. Oh, in English, there are a number of words that are both nouns and verbs. When these words are multisyllabic often, but not always because God knows nothing is always in English, the noun has the stress on the first syllable and the verb has the stress on the second syllable. For example, a project becomes to project, a record becomes to record, you have a conflict, but things conflict.
That's so cool. Like many native English speakers brains has internalized this rule without knowing it. So when he encountered the verb to compost, he automatically applied the rule, my mind is blown. Isn't that amazing?
You applied a rule that you didn't know about, and that's why you said to compost. Okay, I just switched it because the noun is compost and I was like, okay, then the verb would be compost. And Jake also says, I know all this because as well as having studied college level linguistics, I made the same mistake myself last year with the verb to surface. I pronounced it like surface, which is John did with Hank, my friends rightly roasted me, but Hank should sleep and speak soundly knowing that there's a good reason why he said that it was just his brain being a little too observant.
Well, much appreciated, John, I know so much. Oh, it happened. Freeing me from the burden of believing that I had said compost incorrectly for some British reason instead it wasn't just a normal, normal language reason. This is going worse than I expected it.
And I thought it was going to go bad. I haven't been so upset with someone who's work I admired since earlier today when smash the concert. Oh my God. All right, John, it's time for the on part news for Mars and AMC Wimbledon.
Do you have any Wimbledon news? Oh, I have Wimbledon news. Oh, I have Wimbledon news, Hank. We have signed the great hope of our next season, six foot five inch tall, Ollie Palmer.
You are talking about Ollie last time. I know, but we hadn't signed him and now we have. We've signed him up, Hank. We are officially back to an old school proper Wimbledon side.
On my favorite soccer podcast, Men in Blazers, they often observe that they're broadly speaking two kinds of soccer players. There are big bottom smalls, which are small people with very large bottoms and then there are small bottom bigs, which are big people with very small bottoms. Those are sort of broadly speaking, the two categories of professional soccer players for so long, for like two and a half seasons. When we play with two strikers at all, we have been playing with two big bottom smalls.
Right. And now, and now I'm in the situation where I am looking really hard for a picture of Ollie Palmer's bottom. Well, like others want to tell you, with the emergence of six foot five inch Ollie Palmer, we now have a big bottom small and a small bottom big, which is just what you want leading the line for AFC Wimbledon in the let's hope it happens 2020, 2021 season. This makes me want to listen to Men in Blazers.
Oh, it's a great podcast. It's a great podcast. They like, yeah, I mean, they taught like, like, Lionel Messi is the ultimate big bottom small. Right.
I mean, just a brilliant, brilliant big bottom small. Whereas Christian Renaldo, also one of the best players in the world, small bottom big. John, I'm excited for you. I'm excited for AFC Wimbledon.
There is Mars news as there is every week. There is a picture of Mars's Night Glow, which is a thing that happens on Mars. So the Maven mission took some pictures of the Night Blow, a set of ultraviolet flashes that are created by the creation of nitric oxide first observed by the ESA's Mars Express spacecraft. It's as bright as our own northern lights, but you can't see it because it's an ultraviolet.
So it's not visible to our eyes, but these pulses do allow us to understand more about Mars's atmosphere. They're created when winds moving along the surface of Mars send gases to denser parts of the atmosphere and that catalyzes reactions that create nitric oxide. And looking at it, scientists are hoping that maybe they can understand more about how air moves around in Mars's atmospheres. So there's just one, just one atmosphere.
Yeah. So scientists are hoping to change their perspective a little bit instead of looking at the glow from above. They want to look at it sideways, which is going to help them learn more about the vertical winds and Mars's seasons. Vertical winds.
Vertical winds. Wait, they got wind coming from us. Yeah, wind goes up all the time. Right.
But I never feel it. Just don't mostly notice it because like, yeah, you're, you're, you're always at the bottom. Oh, we are, we are never in the middle of the atmosphere. We're always at the very bottom of the atmosphere.
Right. That's like that time that you explained to me that space really starts like one inch above the ground. And so like every time I jump, I'm sort of being an astronaut. Yeah, I would also not be the first to say that Earth is just a big old spaceship.
Oh, dang. Wind is so weird. And the fact that there's like a lot of wind on Mars just makes me think more about how weird wind is. Yeah, made all little modules that bump into you and you feel it.
Yeah, I love that about, I love that about air, how it's like completely invisible until I move my hands a little bit fast. And then I'm like, there it is. Right. I can feel it or you can feel it going in and out of your lungs.
Yes, that's the main thing when, when suddenly this air has become a breath, it's kind of like I made it alive. Anyway, thanks for coming to John and Hank hike to the top of the M and put on some seven or T-shirts. Isn't the word jumbo weird? Well, Hank, thanks as always for expanding my mind's game without ever quite explaining to me how the universe can be infinite without having an edge.
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