#2540 - Travis Barker

The Joe Rogan experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Listen, oh it's good to see you brother. What's cracking? It's insane man. It's stoked to be here. It's stoked to have you man. What a fucking cute kid you have dude.

Thank you. Thank you. He's the best man. So blessed. He loves you. When you're trying to put him down he's like no.

I think it's because I just spent we just went to Utah and I had three or five days with him. Just like a lot of time with him and he has separation and anxiety from me. As I do with him I'm like it's the best man. I know people that don't have kids it's like you don't understand the level of love that you have for them. Yeah, that's really crazy.

Or people who have kids and don't hang out with their kids like that. I just I don't get it. I'll spend every second I can with my kids. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird.

I mean people I maybe something that happened to them when they were young or something. I don't know. Yeah. So what's cracking? What's the latest?

I mean my doc came out today. Today? So yeah. Yeah. A long time coming.

What was that experience like? Well, the beginning of it was shortly after my book came out. So I kind of understood why people wanted to dock from me at that point. And I was I was honored and I was flattered and I was you know going down the journey of film in this doc but it didn't really have an ending. I guess the light at the end of the tunnel during that time around 2017 was that I was sober and I survived a plane crash.

But really I was struggling with ever flying again. Struggling with survivors go struggling with a lot of stuff. And at the time the directors had mentioned to me like can you just look at a plane or act like you're going to go flying a plane or walk towards a plane. I was like fuck no I would never I can't even consider it. I can't even do it for you for like fantasy purposes for the end of this doc you know.

And I think that's set in after a while where I had to acknowledge and just understand I was afraid to ever flag in. And this thing had huge power over me to the point where it dictated how I got on tour. How many days I travel on bus to New York. How many days I'd be on the Queen Mary to go into England. How long would that take?

Oh dude. So long. The England one's crazy. Comforably on the bus from here to New York probably six or seven days if you want to stop at hotels and you know I toured with my kids you know their whole life. So stopping and doing some cool stuff for them six seven days and then a ten day boat ride from New York to the Hamptons.

Fuck. Crazy. Yeah. So yeah my band would leave if they'd be in England in ten hours whatever it would take me three weeks. That sucked.

And this sometimes I'd be on the Queen Mary too and we'd have wild weather 30 foot waves 170 mile per hour winds and I was like is this any better than being on a plane. The ocean freaks me out. Yeah. They started to. They freaked me out.

Yeah we got into a couple storms on one of the trans-unacrossings that yeah believe me. Something was festering inside where I had this urge to try to figure out what had this power over me which was flying and yeah. Well it's totally understandable. Yeah I think about it every day after a certain point and then plus my kids you know they grew up not flying. They grew up associating a plane to a metal container where people die I think you know unfortunately because that's what happened you know to move.

You know to my two best friends and the two pilots were on my plane. So yeah it was it was hard and then I knew the day I did it I could show them that they could also do it and it would probably break the trauma and the spell that my accident caused however many years ago. And yeah I think after my accident in that whole process I just everything people said I couldn't do after that I would just check them off one by one. Oh you're not going to run again. Oh you're not going to play drums again.

Oh you're not you're not going to do this again and the one that I gave myself the restriction I gave myself is I never flagging. You know and I broke it and I've flagged in and how many years have it taken you before you got on a plane? Twenty and I even think back to that I'm like twenty years I lost twenty years with this thing having power over me but it was like a monster kept getting bigger and bigger and I was like I got it. Well you got to look at it like in terms of the odds you survived a plane crash which is the odds of that are astronomical. The odds of you getting another plane crash are super low.

Yeah I know nobody thinks about it like that because it's the opposite because you've actually experienced it so you know what it is like oh my god this is a real possibility. I can see that now because my son who's twenty two he doesn't love the fly and I always say like we just were in Utah and I took a flight you know he ended up driving. I was like son it that's way more dangerous like fly with me I'm never going to put you on a plane that I think is unsafe. I'm so adamant about making sure the pilots great the planes had maintenance whatever else. How do you check all that stuff? Well just if we're flying private you're able to like you know really make sure it's a great plane.

Sometimes even we'll fly on like someone's plane that we know so that makes me feel better but yeah he just drove sixteen hours around. I was like son that's way more dangerous it is but yeah I just want to tell myself and I just got to have faith and yeah. What was the first plane trip like after twenty years? It was nothing like I'd imagined it. I made a deal with my wife and I'd say if there's ever somewhere we can't go because she was a champ man she was on tour buses with me she was on whatever just you know going kind of close by for trips that we go on.

And I said if there's ever a trip that you want us to go on that I'd need to fly just don't tell me and tell me the night before and let's leave in the morning and I'm going to do it. So that's what it was and the flight was awesome had contained none of the awful nightmares that I had fabricated in my head that it would be like over the years. And yeah I think I just needed a positive experience to cancel out the last bad one that I had. Yeah. Yeah that helped a lot and I think I think also coming to terms with being so close to my god son who was my assistant son who passed away in my plane crash and his mom and Chase's mom and just knowing that there was no hard feelings and the survivors got out was feeling was my own and to just think about them and if the roles were reversed would they want me to really just sit around not flying again or have this thing I power over me.

Or if I was in there she was what I want that for them like of course not. Yeah it's an experience that so few people ever have. I mean I can't imagine what it's like especially losing your friends and just the trauma of the actual impact the whole thing just stuck in your head. Yeah I mean to this day I was like my wife's a great flyer. My band they're all good flying you know I think they can my wife can probably envision a trip plan a trip envision how rad it's going to be how cool it's going to be doing rock climbing or whatever we're going to do all I can think about until I get there is like am I going to make it is is this going to.

You know I did this once and I almost died so you know I just stopped that pattern of thinking to the best of my ability it still happens a little bit but I still can't. I have trouble booking planes I have trouble booking flights without thinking of those things. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace if you're thinking about building a website you should try Squarespace I know because I use it that's right Joe Rogan dot com is powered by Squarespace it has all the features that you need to create a stand out website like an AI enhanced website builder SEO optimization tools and seamless checkouts with mobile pay links head to Squarespace dot com slash Rogan for a free trial and when you are ready to launch use the offer code Rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.

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Yeah for sure and I at the time you know am and survived with me and then he lived for another year passed away from the drug overdose but during that time where after I'd gotten out of the burn center and did most of my recovery it was hard to find anyone who had been in a plane crash that was severely burnt like you know and lost people there was a lot of there's a lot of groups and a lot of people. There's a lot of groups and a lot of people that support systems for people who were grieving and lost someone in a plane crash you know. So I was kind of just lonely trying to navigate figure it out just recently just like a few days ago before my doc came out someone kept tagging me and I saw it and this young lady named Reba she had a similar experience where she was in a plane crash 50% of her body was burnt and she lost her mom in the plane crash.

I was like this is really similar to me and I've never met anyone that had even remotely kind of the same experience so I flew out and she was at my premiere and it was just cool and I said it's just cool for me to meet you. It was for you to meet me like this is I don't see anyone or meet anyone like you you know. So yeah it's cool. That's a very cool human experience. You know just share it with somebody and realize like you both been through something pretty horrible but you came out on the other side and fought comfort in each other.

I think the closest thing that I came to that was right after my accident I was out to dinner the guy who flew the plane and landed in the river. Remember that? Yeah he came up and shook my hand at dinner didn't say word to me but I was like oh wow that's awesome you know. That's always fucking crazy. Crazy.

Birds. I'm just going to get that out by now. Yeah the smallest error you know. Insane. Yeah fine is weird but I prefer it over the boat.

The boat thing you need to do is fucking. Queen Mary choose a wild. There's a morgue on there too. Yeah most people that are on there are 80 years old and they're doing their one transit line crossing. So some of them die.

A lot of them. There's a lot of I think every transit line crossing because I'm on there with my crew and my assistant and my tour manager. It's like yep someone passed you know. Wow. A morgue on the boat.

A morgue on the boat. A jail. A jail. Yeah there's a jail. How many people are on the Queen Mary too?

Thousands. Yeah I mean if someone pops off on the boat they got it you know there's police. It's legit it's legit. Wow. And the whole experience they almost celebrate when you're crossing the Titanic where the Titanic sits.

They're like playing the movie on the ship. They're now together. It's like this is just different. Yeah fuck that. Yeah.

Oh my god. But it was honestly I would practice all day. I would practice all day. I would run miles across the ship just on the outside of the ship. There's a lot of cool cool times on the boat as well.

Well I'm sure. You know you usually fly to tour you land that's what I do now and it's like go where I would just train every day play drums four hours a day run two hours a day. The time I got ready you know so where I was going I'm like I'm so ready for tour. It's like whatever whatever life throws at me I'm good. It's just crazy that even the Queen Mary too getting crossing 10 days that's gotta be like way faster than the old boats used to do it right.

I don't know dude you're going so slow. Just like moving so you're like are you serious you don't see shit for 10 days. Just water. Once in a while you'll start seeing birds when you know you're getting close to land but other than that nothing. How many times have you done that trip?

Seven. Yeah. Oh yeah I think I'd rather fly for sure. It's just the idea of something going wrong in the middle of the ocean. Yeah I started to think about it you fucked.

Yeah you fucked. There's no place to land a helicopter on there. How can someone even get to you? It's a middle of the it's thousands of miles out to sea. Yeah both sucked to me right.

Falling out of the sky on the plane crashing into the ocean sucks. Also being sinking in a huge ship with thousands of people fending for their lives sucks. I've just watched too many boat videos of them navigating insane waves that look like a building coming at them. Dude I was in it. Yeah we were in it.

I think we had we lost a couple windows in the ship and you're basically confined to your room but huge where you just see the boat go up and then go crashing down and you're four or five days into the trips you're in the middle of your crossing. What does that feel like? A giant boat with thousands of people. Sucks the internet goes out usually on the boat and you're just watching something in your room just waiting for everything to get more calm. How big are these waves?

I think we were in 35 foot waves. Yes exactly it looks exactly like that. Yeah this freaks me out man. It's like something when they this is not that bad. Look how close the boat's moving.

This is the hurricane force winds it says. Yeah that's like choppy weather. I mean there's positives too we saw the northern lights from our cruise one time and it was like I've never seen it anywhere else but it was beautiful. It's cool. Yeah I want to make a trip to somewhere like Norway or where we can see it.

This is it's almost did that one time. I was not a passenger ship but a cargo ship because I was trying to find ways to get to Australia. You were going to go to Australia. You told me about it? You know what else doesn't fly and was on the Queen Mary twice with me?

Really? Yep he was like I'm right there with you traveling. I was like did something happen to you? Why? You're just confined to being on ships.

He's like no I just don't like flying. So him and his family actually he had told me about the cargo ship for some of the other places that didn't have actual cruises. How long is a boat ride to Australia? I think it's a month. I think I never went.

I never went. The plane fight is hard enough. 20 something hours or whatever it is. Yeah fuck that. Fuck a month.

It just makes you really think about the insane adventure spirit of the people that just took off on canoes and made it across the ocean. Yeah those wild ass people that do it by themselves just here to Hawaii. Yeah there's a lot of those people. Yeah I know what to do just did that. But that's I mean the people back when there was no internet back when there was no newspapers or no nothing like the Polynesian people.

It just got on boats and made it to Hawaii. Insane. Yeah. Like did you have what was Plan B? Yeah what do you do if you're out there?

Are you getting water? How are you staying alive? Yeah I think Plan B is making Plan A work. That's a Plan B. There is no plan.

But how bad is life suck that you're willing to get in a boat and just hope there's some food when you land. And then they don't have big boats either. Yeah. So what the fuck were the waves like for them? Also no weather app on the iPhone.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the unknown. Absolutely unknown. And then how do you get back?

Or do you? Or do you just say well this is what we are? I mean it must have taken months and months and months. You get out there. I mean how do they stay alive?

Like human ingenuity like people's ability to thrive and survive is pretty insane when pushed to the limits. Yeah. Like people I have a friend who fast half of the year. He's just drinking juice and water. For six months?

160 days a year. He does it every year. How? He's a chef you know. He's a chef.

He's actually a chef that took a valus silence 30 years ago. Plant-based raw chef and for half of the year he doesn't eat. He just fast. And it's more for like health reasons like cleansing and prevent disease whatever else. But he gets really thin and then just goes back to his normal weight the second half of the year.

I don't know if that's good. I don't know either. But he does it every year. He might not even be good or so. He just does these things.

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I can't imagine that just eating nothing but juice for six months is good for you. I have a hard enough time fasting a day before surgery or something. Well it's all dependent upon whether or not your body's eating a lot of carbohydrates or not. If you're on a ketogenic diet it's a lot easier. Your body just immediately goes to burning fat and your appetite is not as strong.

It's not as insane a pole to grab it. But I can't even imagine why you would do that. Fast for six months. I think there's a lot of data that shows that fasting for three days and five days and things along those lines is good. Causes autophagy, makes your body clean out bad cells.

It's very good for people that are recovering from cancer or going through cancer. It's one of the first things a lot of doctors tell you. Get on a ketogenic diet and fast because cancer cells want glucose. That's what they want to survive and you starve them. And when your body's on a plant based diet, so your body's eating mostly carbohydrates all the time.

So you have to refuel all the time. It gets used to it. So when someone like you takes a day off of food, it's like the pole of the carbohydrates, the insulin dump. It's a lot. I mean I eat so much protein though.

I get so much protein from lentils, an insane amount of protein from lentils, beans, all the natural stuff, not like mock meats. So all my blood work that I do, my protein is top notch. Well that's awesome. I figured it out though too. There's a lot of junk food, meat eaters, a lot of junk food, vegans.

It's about dialing your shit in. You know what I mean? Figuring it out. But even you when you were recovering from your burns, you started eating meat. Well because I had doctors that were super old school in the hospital with me that figured out I wasn't eating because they were trying to feed me a bunch of meat and they stuck a hose down my throat.

And that just sucked. So they stuck a hose down your throat to feed you like that because I was secretly eating kind of what I wanted but not eating a bunch of the meat because I told them I don't really meet. So there was a miscommunication where they just put a hose down my throat and were feeding me like that. And then during that time my one of my nurses was super cool and he started making me bags of beef jerky. So I would eat beef jerky in the hospital to get whatever protein that they wanted me to have and then down peanut butter blast smoothie from what is that?

Is it roebucks or something like that? Like one of those and it's 3,000 calories. So I was averaging I basically had a 6 to 7,000 calorie diet. I needed to hit every day. Wow.

In order to heal because I just had 30 surgeries in six months. So it was just just trying to get enough. Just 30 times being anesthetized for six months is fucking hard on your body. Yeah. It was I was thought of it.

I didn't really know until towards the end, you know. But oh yeah. Jeez man. Did you ever try using a hyperbaric chamber? I couldn't do it after.

You know my best friend that was in the accident with me am he was I think 6% of his body was burnt. And he went in the hyperbaric and I think he had a small graft on the back of his head. He was out of the hospital a week and a half. But I had 70% of my body burn. So there was no way I was getting out of the hospital no matter how much I did it or didn't do it.

I tried doing it and I was just in such an awful place after my accident where I was I had so much trauma with losing my best friends. And I was definitely my reaction was much different than Adams. And I couldn't I couldn't go in the small tube. There was no way. I think at the time it reminded me too much of the inside of the plane.

Really? Yeah. I just felt really claustrophobic. And I was also having a hell of a time and was sober. Sober for 15 years would have happened.

I was I was a drug addict before my plane crash and you take a person who self-medicating put him through 30 surgeries, give him a bunch of pain meds and they're not working. That was me. So I was waking up every surgery screaming swinging on doctors. Oh, just a friend. You know, until they weaned me off and by the time I got out of there I was I never wanted to put anything in my body again and had a great relationship with all my doctors.

And Dr. Grossman who owns the burn center. Grossman burn center. It was yeah, it was full circle. But that's a crazy trial by fire to get off drugs.

Yeah, that was my that was my rehab. Wow. Mm hmm. Fuck dude. That has to mean you're confined to a bed.

You're stuck. They're giving you pain medications. You're going through 30 surgeries. You have 70% of your body burned. Your friends just died.

And you're in this hospital by yourself. Huge wake up call. What a fucking what a wild ride your mind must have been going through. Yeah. You know, I was coming home from a show.

I was coming home from a gig. And yeah, who would think you'd get in a plane coming home from a show and you're going to end up in a burn center for six months. You know, four people are gone and 70% of your body's burned. It takes a minute to process. You know, why do they think you're never going to be able to play the drums again?

Well, it was the point where they were going to amputate my foot. They didn't think they could they had enough skin left to heal my foot or save it. And then because of the amount of burns I had over my body, they weren't positive. I was even going to make it. So it was like once they knew I was out of critical condition and I was going to make it, they were, you know, all my nerves were messed up in my hands.

Like my own nerve was shot in both hands. My hands were numb. There was a lot of, it's just the unknown, you know? I can't really imagine. I think it sucks that you couldn't use the hyperbaric because it definitely accelerates healing.

Yeah, even now I go in. I go in sometimes now. There's a hyperbaric in Los Angeles that seats two people and that's perfect for me. It's just like I could stay in there for two hours and I'm fine. It's just a confined space thing for you.

Yeah, I just don't love being in confined spaces. Yeah, I don't love to do it. But I do it. But I've never been through with you. You know what the mind fucking is?

Is the time it takes to depressurize it. So even if you're like, okay, I'm done. Like seven minutes, eight minutes, whatever. Well, we depressurize it. I think that's why I just feel better in the two-seater.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Fuck dude. Now when you're doing this documentary, are you, does it relive all this stuff for you? Every time.

Yeah, I was so excited to come on this with you because I'm like, I'm going to talk fights with Joe. I'm going to talk whatever cars. Some of them have been, I mean, they've all been great. But I mean, to tell the truth, I think since, I'm not sure why, but maybe since I was a kid, you know, I lost my mom at a young age, like 13, like I could, a stranger could come up to me outside this place and be like, dude, I just lost my dad and I'd probably start bawling because it's sensitive to me. Like, trigger something to me.

So yeah, it's like talking about certain parts of the dock is like gutting me with the knife, you know. Well, you conflicted as to whether or not you wanted to go through with this and relive all that stuff? I think I was already far past it. It was, it was, it was to the point where my dock was done in 2017, but I'm like, there's no ending. The ending sucks.

I won't look at a plane. I won't do anything. And then fast forward, you know, that was their dream ending. Just stare at a fucking plane for me, right? And I'm like, nah, you know, so, and then fast forward to now 2024 or whatever it was when I flew, which that's 25.

It was like, you know, I fly, I fly again. My kids fly. I'm married. There's like so many things have changed. And that kind of triggered me to finish it because there was a huge light at the end of the tunnel now, right?

It was like, yeah, I had this thing that had power for me for 20 years, but I fly again. And, and, and I think the other parts of the dock, like an amazing, like, rougher relationship with my dad when I was younger, turned into something like beautiful where he's like my best friend. Oh, that's awesome. I wasn't, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I grew up, you know, not, we didn't even have like running hot water in my house.

So it wasn't like my dad was in the music industry and my mom was an agent. It was like, nah, I fucking didn't know how I was going to get out of where I grew up. And I just played every day and I was relentless. And I joined every band and I played with everyone and I practiced two to five hours a day, you know? So just even giving some kid hope knowing that he can do the same thing was, was like a big part of my documentary that I felt like could help a lot of people.

For sure. And then just to see me get knocked down and, and just have to fight, you know, over and over again when fucked up things happen to me and just watching me have these things just make me stronger and stronger and unbreakable. I think that's the resilience. I think that that is something for people to see. Yeah, there's two great messages in there.

The big one is that you can overcome that no matter how fucked up things are, if you keep going and if you keep, you stay positive, you do the right thing, you trust the process, at the end of it, you'll come out better. Yeah. And then your, the formula for success is the same formula. Almost everyone has that is really awesome at something. Become obsessed, become driven and just throw everything you have in that thing.

And you come out better and you eventually get to where you want to be or get to where you are. It's, it's, it's an undeniable formula. And kids need to hear that, especially kids in this world where everybody thinks everything comes quick and everybody wants a, you know, it's a TikTok mindset and everybody wants a pill to lose weight and everyone's, it's all, the process is the most important thing and just become, becoming obsessed and in love with the process. Yeah. And, and so many people, I don't know, like, there's not a lot of balance, right?

Like I've found more balance now, but it's like, no, you've got to be fucking obsessed and you've got to be relentless and you've got to, well, all your homies are out doing whatever, you should be practicing. You know what I mean? You've got to be disciplined. Like, you know, so, you know, my parents were, they were, they were really strict with me. Like, you want to go skateboarding, you want to go ride BMX bikes, go whatever, fuck off with your friends, you got to go play drums for three hours.

Wow. So thankful they did that. Can you imagine if they didn't, you know, because the one thing also in my dock is like, every time, like my mom dies, what do I do? I just throw myself in a music and drumming, like obsessed with drumming, you know, join marching band or orchestra, jazz band, you know, like just literally eat, sleep and breathe it. Same thing after my accident, what did I do?

Dang, I got home, I'm outside with scabs all over my body and I'm playing the fucking drums because it's like what I know. And also I think for kids, even they don't have to hopefully endure anything I encountered, it's like, it gives you confidence when you're good at something. It's like when, I don't know, anything, I think when kids bully you and whatever else, if you're good at something, you're like, fuck you. Like, I know I'm really good at football, I'm really good at jujitsu, I'm really good at guitar, I feel like it just gives you confidence. 100%.

And it helps you just kind of navigate through life better, you know. It's a vehicle for developing you as a human being. Totally. Whatever it is, whether it's art, whether it's music, whether it's literature, whatever you're doing, writing, whatever you're doing, carpentry, whatever it is, just become obsessed with the thing, get better at it and you realize that, okay, there's a process. I can get better at things, I'm valuable, I can do something.

I'm not just a lazy sack of shit. The problem is the masses aren't like that, right? So, like, sometimes you feel lonely being like that, but yeah, I feel like, have you ever read Ritalin List by Tim Grover? No. It's my Bible, but I just had my premiere in L.A. and he introduced my doc.

What is it? It's a book and he basically talks about being a cooler, closer, a cleaner, you know. And like cleaners are like people, like you and I that are obsessed with shit. And, you know, if we want to grammy today, we're not going to party for the next week, we're like, what's next? You know, what's next?

We're not, uh, we're on vacation and we're practicing and we're not feeling bad about it. We're, it's just, it's, it's a mindset that not a lot of people have and that almost make you feel like you're doing something wrong because you're so obsessed with something. Yeah. Well, people will make you feel like there's something wrong with you. Oh, yeah.

Like, and it took me a while. Honestly, after I read his book, I'm like, oh, I'm not alone. There's a bunch of fucking psychopaths like me that just, I love the fucking drums. I love to make music. I could stay in the studio for 25 hours, you know.

And, and I don't feel burnt out and it makes me feel alive and it's therapeutic and I always I'm never content with where I'm at. I always know I have room to grow. I know there's things I can get better at. Um, yeah, there's, and then there's like, you know, there's people that are very content. Just be like, I'm not going to get any better.

I'm just, I'm cool with where I'm at. I know this is kind of peak level for me. I can never think like that. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's just how it has to be in order for there to be outliers.

There's always going to be people that just whatever, for whatever reason, never follow through, never do what they really want to do. You know, what is that a throw comment? The throw quote, most men live lives of quiet desperation. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of people that wish they wish they had the energy or the inspiration or the discipline or whatever it is to do the thing that they want to do to get up and just to do something that really brings them joy, really brings them excitement, really makes them feel fulfilled, really like ignites that creative fire inside of them where you do something and it's done.

You're like, fuck yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of people that never experience fuck. Yeah. It's a rough life.

I feel like that's the journey. Or like that quote, find something you love and figure out a way to get paid for it. That's great. But I think things like that have just, especially after my accident, I'm like, yo, life is short. I can go with any time.

I can go any time. I've learned I've been smacked in the face over and over again. Yeah. And just always feeling like, remember, I was just getting Harry Shannon that was very instrumental in helping me get sober or me trying to get sober before my accident when I got sober. And he's like, you know, I have to ask men, like if you died right now, would you be the man you'd want people to remember you by?

And I'm like, I need to get to that place. You know, that's just where I want to sit. That's where I want to live. Yeah. Well, I was to tell people live your life as if there's a documentary crew following you around and you're doing something awesome.

Like if you wanted to be inspired by somebody and watch a documentary on somebody doing something, just someone who's like, wow, that fucking dude's getting after it. Yeah. Be that person in real life. The other thing I always tell people, become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid. It's so funny.

I thought you pretended to be on the internet or social media. Yeah. Just actually become that person. It's so much easier pretending because there's obviously someone that's like that. That's why we understand the archetype.

That's why we understand this very exceptional person. Become that person. Yeah. You could do it. Anybody could do it.

We all change and grow. And that's what I think really important about people like you telling your story is that there's a lot of young people out there that don't have anybody like you in their life and they can see it and relate to you and it gives them fuel. It can, your story and just you talking about things passionately can change a young person's life. There's a young girl or a young guy out there that can hear you and that, just your story makes them take a step, makes them go in the right direction, makes them make a move. There's something.

We all need something from other people. We feed off of other people's energy. Yeah. I feel that. It's like when people see David Goggins for the first time and you're like, oh, I'm going to get after it.

I'm going to get after it. That's important. Yeah. I didn't know. I've watched my doc like 15, 20 times now.

I even watched it the other day at the premiere and I'm like holding back tears and I'm like, fuck, it's so heavy. But just the reaction from everyone is like, yo, that changed my life. I can't look at life the same. I'm like, if anything, that's, I love that. We all need that.

I need to put out. Also, it's not like I made my own documentary. But I was honored and flattered. Someone wanted to do this documentary with me, but like hate to put out something that doesn't help people. Right.

Right. Is this water right here? Yeah. Yeah. This is a glass right here.

I ran. What is it called? Lake Austin? I've heard it today. It's dope.

It's so nice. Isn't it beautiful? So beautiful. This is such a great place. If I lived here, I would be out there every day and tons of people running.

I know. So there's a lot of healthy people in this town. And I didn't, my goal was to just wake up and walk. I went to like this good, expressive spot that has like cortados, had a coffee and then I have, sweats, suicidal tendencies, sweats and high socks and just regular shoes. And where I come from where I grew up was called the Inland Empire.

Like, and I'm like, oh my God, I look so Inland Empire right here. Totally. No shirt long as sweats, suicidal tendencies were like he's not from here. You know? I'm here with you guys.

Yeah, but you blend right in. Everybody blends in here. This is a very blend in town. I love Austin. It's cool.

Yeah. But that lake is a really fun spot and again, very inspirational too because there's a lot of people getting after it. Yeah. A lot of people look good. They look healthy.

Yeah. It was like, I don't know. Honestly, I was surprised. Really? Everyone was running even yesterday.

And then today, it was like similar to when that feeling where you're in LA where you have like those boot camps or whatever, but there's no organized boot camp. There's just people out there getting after it. I love being around that. Well, this is a very fit town. I mean, it's become the Jiu Jitsu hub of the country.

Really? Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It all happened during the pandemic. You know, there's a lot of things that changed about this place because people got sick of whatever the restrictions were for where they lived, whether it was New York or LA and they came here and a lot.

Well, it started out with Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan and John Donner, who were like Gordon's the greatest Jiu Jitsu athlete of all time and he moved here and John Donner is the greatest coach of all time and he moved here and they set up shop. And then all the guys they trained with came here and then a ton of other people just moved here and started up schools too. So there's a ton of Jiu Jitsu going on here, a ton of MMA going on here. There's gyms everywhere, all these functional fitness gyms.

It's like, it's like a feeling here. There's an energy of people that want to do something, that really want, they want to be active, they want to be excited about something, they want to make something happen. And I think a lot of that was accentuated by the fact that this town became like a symbol of change for them. Like, wherever the fuck I used to live before, now I'm going to move to this new thing and I'm going to really take advantage of the fact that this is different, that this place is different, this is my new place, this is my new feeling of my life, it's a new environment and then all these other people that moved here have this similar desire to like excel and make their life more exciting. And it's just an awesome place.

Yeah, I feel that. I think you usually see it in New York or LA, but you see it here. It's like everyone's in shape or it's like, it feels like it's ahead, you know. There's energy here. Yeah.

And there's energy here because of the people that moved here. You know, when we opened up the comedy club, I mean, we all came here because there was nowhere we could perform in LA. It was locked down for comedy. And just like you playing the drums and doing music, comedians are addicted. They're addicted to performing.

They're addicted to writing. They're addicted to like, and a lot of these guys were young people where their career just was shut off and you know, they're in their 20s and they're pursuing their dream and they're barely getting by. They're making no fucking money. But they're in Hollywood. They're at the comedy store and also the comedy store is closed for a year and a half.

It was fucking nuts. And so when we came out here, you know, it started off, it was Ron White and then me and Tony Hinchliffe and then it was like, we lit the fire and good, good, good, come on. And then next thing you know, there's like 20 world-class comedians moved to Austin and we set up the club and then now there's five clubs on my street on the street where my club is. There's five other clubs there. It's crazy.

There's so many comics here and it's just exploding with creativity and enthusiasm and momentum. There's like so much momentum. Cam Patterson who came out of here just got SNL. You know, Shane Gillis obviously just became like the biggest comic in the world and it's all, Kill Tony's the biggest live comedy show in the world. That's out of my club.

It's all like, yeah. Well, that's out of your club. Yeah, every Monday. I get all the clippings from it all the time and I'm like, it's so funny. I saw Ron White and Shane Gillis at the Netflix Sucks.

Oh, right. Hollywood Bowl. Yeah, so good. Yeah, I worked with Ron last night. He's great.

He's the best. Shane Gillis is my favorite, obviously, so funny. He's the best. He doesn't even have the same thing just in his face. Well, he's just a great guy.

Like he just loved, when you're around him you're having fun. He's a big smile. Yeah, you know? I could imagine. Yeah.

So like, do you want to go meet him before the thing? I'm like, no, no, no, no. I just want to watch the show. Like, yeah. I'm sure he'd love to meet.

Yeah. And I think that's a place where a bunch of like-minded people are trying to do the same thing is so important. And if you don't have that and you like, that's what I was talking about, like your story and your documentary and just hearing you talk about stuff is so important for people because we all need other people that are doing a similar thing or at least doing a thing that we wish we were doing that gives us. Yeah. And it might not be for them.

It might not be playing the drums. It might be painting. It might be something else. But it's like, oh, that guy has that feeling about drums the way I have this feeling about playing guitar or I have this feeling about drawing pictures. Whatever the fuck it is.

Yeah. It's like, you need to know that this feeling that you have inside of you and wanting to do something special is not unique. There's other people that have it. You just have to find them. You have to find those people.

And if they're not around you, at least now we have this amazing ability to connect with these people through the internet. It's incredible. Yeah, it's like they say like you are who you're the closest five people that are around you. It's like the same thing. Completely true.

Completely true. Yeah, I feel that too. And they don't have to be doing exactly what you're doing. Yeah. I'm like in our old neighborhood where- because you want Khalifa?

Yes. Okay. So I'm on Khalifa. You know, I moved my studio. You literally left.

Yeah. Like COVID hit, you left and I moved in over there. Yeah, I know. I heard. I was really- I think we were right on the street from each other.

Yeah. So, even just being in that neighborhood, like I run a lot in there, right? And one day I was running. It was so weird. I think I saw your pod and Gene Jacques was on it, right?

John Jacques. John Jacques. And then maybe two days later, I'm at Blue Bottle grabbing a coffee and him and all his boys from his gym go up there like, hey, come train. Come train. I'm like, okay.

And then the next day I'm running and I don't even know where his spot is and I'm running and then there's his dojo. Like, you know his gym and I just walked in and started training. But being around him and like his story, like being around people who have inspiring stories and are motivating and are productive and are hungry and you know, it's the biggest difference in the world. John Jacques is an awesome soul. He's an awesome guy.

What a great guy. Yeah, I started training with him in 1998. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

I was training a lot and then I was also running a bunch and I tweaked my leg. And I kind of learned, I think like me running all the time. It wasn't the best for a Jiu Jitsu. No. You need some strength training for that too.

Yeah. So now it's a good balance. What do you do for strength training? It's tricky. I used to just work out.

If I was here, I'd find someone I'd work out with them or have friends I'd work out with or trainers back home. But a lot of people see me and they're like, oh, let's get you jacked. Well, that's not functional for me. Not functional for me. I need to be fucking fast.

Yes. And I need to be fluent. Right. And yes, a lot of people, I figured out after years and years and years of working out with different people, what's best for me is fast twitch and lots of reps, lots of sprints, quick explosive energy. I love boxing.

Love jump roping. And then a few days is more like slow strength training. But only followed by, like I have to finish with something fast, whether it's 10 rounds on the back or whatever else. Or I literally, I remember there was a torrent. I was working out with someone and we hadn't yet figured it out.

We work out still together. We do something called tempo training. So whatever music is on, you're doing it to the tempo. You're doing it for the length of the song. So it's much longer than you would normally do something.

And it's much quicker than you normally do something. But that's how I play the drums. And that's gonna help me once I go back to what I do. And it's functional for what I do. But when I wasn't doing that and I was just throwing around heavy weights and I was putting on muscle, I got behind a kit.

And I remember I hadn't really tested it out. And it was the worst feeling in the world. I was so tight. I was so slow. I didn't look like this, but I felt like this.

You know, it was terrible. I was like, Oh my gosh, this isn't me. I need to be. Right. Right.

And my goal is to be able to think something and do it execute stamina wise endurance wise and skill wise. So I'm always practicing and my stamina is always on point. So drumming is like sprinting with your arms. Yeah. I mean, you're just like long term fast running with your arms.

Yeah, it's like volume punches. Like all drummers have a similar build. They're all like wiry and strong and have like crazy endurance with their arms. Like what you can do with your arms is probably bananas. I bet you could hit a fucking speed bag all day long.

I could do battle ropes. I love speed bags. I have one at the gym. Imagine it's all tempo. Yeah.

And it's all tempo. You have to find the rhythm. If the rhythm is not right, you can't keep the bag going, you know, um, battle ropes for 30, 40 minutes without stopping. That's insane. Yeah.

Just find different place. I would imagine it's such a similar motion. Yeah. But it's so different than like the average person that wants to work out. Like I don't get to do that, you know, even though it's cool or you look cool or you put on certain amount of muscle or whatever.

Right. And it's just, I can't do it. Well, you get in your way for sure. I mean, I think a drummer wants to be built like a welterweight boxer. You know, you want to be like lean and wiry and just have crazy endurance.

And if you just get an intelligent trainer, they understand what you're trying to achieve. They could achieve both goals. Like you can strengthen things so that you don't get injured in jujitsu if you want to do jujitsu, but not overwhelm you with mass, you know, yeah, yeah, figured out like there's, yeah, there's definitely certain exercises I could do once I start changing jujitsu again, to make sure my legs are cool. Well, a lot of like elite jujitsu guys are not bulky at all. There's a lot of like really thin guys that are like very, very high level, especially because there's weight classes and you know, what's really important is technique.

You know, it's tricky as the hands to like not, not crushing my hand and making sure I'm always like gripping properly and not leaving my fingers out or. Oh, yeah. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. You've probably heard about BetterHelp before, but maybe you haven't heard from those who have actually used BetterHelp. That feedback can tell you everything you need to know.

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No, he's always so good about that. It's like, well, you just have if you're rolling and stuff, you just have to make sure you're not rolling with anybody that's spastic. Anybody that's just like that doesn't have controlled energy. You know, yeah, that's the great thing about rolling with black belts. Like if I'm rolling with a black belt, it's very controlled.

Like we both know what we're doing. So everyone's like moving at a very controlled pace. You very rarely get injured. When you get injured is when you're rolling with like some young blue belt who's on steroids, he's fucking jacked out of his mind. He's trying to choke you out.

He's just am. Yeah, I was a choker. I was totally. Dude, I've been that. I was at a UFC gym.

I forget where I was. I was somewhere on tour and he's like, okay, let's spar a little bit. We're supposed to be doing light sparring, whatever. Just kickboxing, boxing. And he does a spinning back fist.

Oh my gosh. I have a show in 45 minutes, man. You know, he's going to get in concussed 45 minutes before. But I do love it. Very hard to control too.

Yeah. Once you start that rotation and that spin, that arm's going around. I was almost done so. Yeah. My son was there.

He's like, oh, yeah, it probably wasn't good. But yeah, but training is, yeah, it's so awesome. It's great for getting rid of aggression too. It just cleans your mind up. It makes you relaxed for sure.

And it humbles you. I think, oh yeah, I feel like everyone should train or at least do it at some point in their life because it humbles you. Yeah, I feel like there'll be a lot less like hot heads or just out there. You know what I mean? 100%.

Jitsu people are some of the most laid back and chill people that can kill you that you'll ever meet. Yeah, totally. Most of them are like very easy going, really kind and very relaxed. And I feel like it's something you can do even as you age. Oh, 100%.

Yeah. As long as you're training with good, smart people, you know, that's the thing. You got to pick your training partners wisely because that's what gets you injured is spastic people that freak out. And you know, I used to be a spastic. I get it.

You know, when I was young, when I was first starting out, I was very aggressive and trying to just force everything. You do everything fast. And then, but then one day you'll train with some like John Chalk and John Chalk just he never explodes. He's never out of balance. He's never out of position.

Everything's just smooth and effortless. And he's talking to you like, why is Rogue Joggin? Look out for your own Joggin. He's like, he's having fun. He's so good.

Yeah. It's an art. It really is, especially when it's done well, like the way John Chalk can do it. It's like, it is an art. It's beautiful to watch.

You watch someone with a beautiful guard pass and then nail a triangle and it's like, oh my God, it's beautiful. Yeah. And I think I'd done it in the past and it was a lot of fun and it was almost like chess up here, but I didn't feel like it was a much of a workout. Whereas with him, it's like two hours. He's making it like a show.

There's no stopping for long periods of time and we're just dripping sweat. And I weigh a buck 50 and he's whatever, 200. You know? Yeah. And he's just, yeah, it is a workout and it's just challenging and you're engaged the whole time and it just feels good.

And then if you watch fights, you really appreciate what's going on because you've tried to do that and you know. Yeah. Because a lot of people get very delusional when they watch fights. Like, oh, well, I've got to do that. I had to get a nail.

I had to fuck these guys up. Like, yeah, most men have a very delusional understanding of or belief in their ability to fight. So doing it gives you like, oh, this is like really hard. And then you watch people at an elite level, you know, you watch Shonno Malley or someone like that and you're like, oh, fuck that's hard to do what he just did. That's crazy.

It gives you a real true appreciation of the amount of effort and the amount of discipline and intensity that this guy's put in over years and years and years to achieve this level where you're watching something spectacular in front of 15,000 people and millions of people on television. I couldn't imagine. Yeah, I was with Don one time and me and Don Cruz, he was just like, try to sleep me. And I'm like, okay. And you know how fast he is and how like I swing and he's over here.

You know, he was like, oh, I was so humiliating. And then he just was just grappling me and not letting me move. And he's like, he's like, don't ever, don't ever when you're in a fight be like, do something, do something. This is what it feels like. You know, he was just keeping me there.

And I'm like, oh, I have much more respect for just, yeah, when someone's even just holding someone against the fence that feels awful. Yeah, it drains you. It drained me. Yeah. To start a fresh round where I'm trying to sleep in was, it was impossible to begin with, but it was even more impossible, you know, his footwork is ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. And he really invented a lot of his footwork. Like his footwork is very dominant cruise when he was the champion, when he was a banthewing champion, had some of the most elusive footwork that anybody had ever seen before. It was so unique and so different. And you couldn't get anybody to emulate it in training because Dom's system, he pretty much developed on his own.

And there's a lot of videos of him training it, a lot of videos of him moving. And it's so unusual that you see guys in front of him and they're just mesmerized because it's step, step here, step, step there, pop, step here, kick, step, step here, elbow, and you're like, fuck, where is he? Yeah. You know, and that was such a smart, because he's such an intelligent guy, which is why he's such a great, like, MMA analyst. Yeah, he's so good.

So smart. And he just really figured out, like, okay, I don't have the most power. I'm not the strongest guy. I'm not the biggest guy. What can I have?

What can I develop that gives me an advantage over everybody? Well, I can be like the most elusive, the most slick moving guy that's ever existed. And I feel like a lot of people in his division adopted it from him. Oh, for sure. He figured it out, you know?

Well, they had to adapt. And he was, you know, dominating people and you can't do anything about it. I mean, he humiliated a lot of people. He was in front of them and they developed this style that was fine if someone's standing right in front of you and engaging with you, like right in front of you and there to be hit and taken a shot and then giving one back, Donald's doing none of that. He's like, whoop, here, I'm over here, but he was like, you know, very much like Loma Cenco did in boxing.

You're just doing weird shit that people hadn't seen before. And really kind of, again, developed it on his own. If you look at like his, the camp that he came out of in San Diego, there was another guy doing it like that. It was really just him. Yeah.

Very, very unique guy. But I love that there's styles that sort of rise, that exist, that someone just sort of creates. They just realize like, what do I have physically as, you know, as my tools and how can I implement these tools in a way that's different than anything that these guys have seen before? Yeah, because there was nothing like him. No, there was nothing.

But then you see guys that came up after him, guys like TJ Dilshaw, who was also awesome with footwork and you know, a lot of his footwork guarantee was inspired by watching Dominic and a lot of these other guys that are these Corey Sandhagen guys that are constantly switching stances. The same thing. And he was a little bit like a child developed out of that because before Dominic Cruz, there really was no one who had footwork like that, not even close. And so when you see TJ, you know, like who in my opinion was one of the greatest band weights of all time. Like when he beat Hen and Barrau, which was Hen and Barrau at the time was thought to be if not the best pound for the one fighter in the world, at least number two behind Jose Aldo and he was undefeated and TJ just styled on him.

I mean, it was, and he went out there like he was sparring. It wasn't even like he was fighting for the world title. He went out there like super loose and focused and relaxed and just switch and stances and cutting angles and hitting with shots and moving to the left and hitting with a head kick to the right and like fuck. He put on a show that way. What the greatest title winning performances in the history this board for sure.

I wish he didn't, you know, struggle with so many injuries and everything because he was a phenomenal. It is a tragedy. I mean, he has significant shoulder injuries like to the point where I think he's going to have to get artificial shoulders as he had no super spinoteness on both arms. It was just completely ripped off and he would just like strengthen all the other muscles and just deal with it and then it would just pop out. You know, when he fought Al-Jameen Sterling, he told the referee in the green room, he said, my shoulder's going to pop out, but it's okay, I'll put it back.

Let me keep fighting. Imagine that. Al-Jameen Sterling for the world title. It was a beast and one of the best grapplers ever and you're thinking, I have to deal with the fact that my shoulder is going to definitely get dislocated in this fight because it just doesn't stay. It's just this loose fucking thing that just pops out all the time and he's trying to fight and just all will and discipline and intensity.

I think I was Dom shoulder too, right? Dom had a plunge. He had ACLs. He had ACLs. The shoulder was the last one.

That was the last draw, his last shoulder surgery. Yeah. I mean, look, the human body is not designed to be punched and kicked and to be grappled and strangled and twisted and arm barred. It's like at a certain point in time, it just gives out. Yeah.

That's just how it is. Yeah. And it sucks because some of these guys have so much more to give in their mind and their body just fails them after a certain point in time. And you see that with some of these older guys. It's like they've just had a bunch of knee surgeries and maybe a back surgery and this and that and then they're a shadow of themselves inside the octagon.

Yeah. It's sad to watch. I also understand the feeling of that's all you know and you just want to keep fighting. Well, it's also they have this insane belief in themselves and they always think that- It's what got them there also. Yeah.

That's how they became a champion in the first place. People telling you you never play the drums, you never going to run, you never going to- And you're like, I'll show you. And that's how they all are. They're all like I'll show you. It's over, you got to hang it up.

It's over, your time has gone like no, no, no, I got one more in me. Yeah. I got three or four more fights in me. I'm going to fight until I'm 41 or whatever it is. That would be so hard.

I think of Dustin and I think of like even his fight against Islam and his fight against- What's the French fighter? Ben-Moz underneath. Yeah. Talk, I couldn't tell myself I need to hang up the gloves if I fought like that. Those fights.

He's a fucking beast. He's beast. He doesn't look like he's at the end of his career. He's still very competitive. I think that was the best fight against Islam.

Anyone's fought. It was a very good fight. He's a weak fighter. Dustin's an elite fighter. I could see being Dustin and struggling with like, this is hard for me to stop fighting because you're that fucking good.

Well, Dustin, the physical issues aren't even really like joints and neck and it's his head. He's had too many brain injuries. He's got some sort of a separation between the two halves of his brain. There's like some issue with the center of his brain. I don't even know about that.

Yeah, he's talked about it pretty openly. But I mean, he had that incident where he got drunk and got crazy. But that's a lot of that is CTE, I guarantee. He's doing a lot of things to try to mitigate that. He's seeking help and really, there are some ways that you can recover at least in some way and improve on what you're doing.

But I think for him, it's best to not be fighting anymore. It's just at a certain point in time, you're only going to accumulate more damage and then whatever you're dealing with now is just going to get worse and then maybe you can't recover from it. Sure. He's got a family and he's in this situation where it's like, I want to be there for my family. I don't want to be this guy that's completely compromised when I'm 50, 60 years old, where I can't walk anymore and someone's got to take me around and hold my hand.

Because there are guys like that, especially older boxers. You run into some old boxers and it's really sad, man. You see guys like Tommy Hearns talking. It was like, not much older than me. You see him talking and moving around and you're like, fuck, he paid a price.

These guys pay a price. It's a rough way to make a living. Yeah, the fight game is crazy. It's so obvious. I'm happy my drums don't hit me back.

Straight up. I'm like, yeah. It's also you can do what you do for a long time. You can play drums for a long time. When you're fighting, your peak is such a small window of life and it's just, there's so much that you have to pour into it and then eventually you have to realize that that window's closed and you have to move on.

Even though you're still young and you still have all this life and look at a guy like Dustin, he looks fucking great. He looks great. He sounds great. He seems like he's all there. Physically, he looks like he's never been better but the window's closed.

There's these young guys coming up and they don't have the injuries that you have. They don't have the problems that you have. They don't have the wear and tear and they're going to get to you before you get to them and maybe they wouldn't have got to you five years ago or six years ago or again now and it's just not there anymore and it's hard for guys to accept because their entire identity is based on this one thing that's very fleeting. That would be the most difficult thing in the world. But the glory that they experience is above and beyond anything we're ever going to know.

I heard someone talking about it and they were saying, imagine being a cage fighter and it's all you've prepared for for the last 20 years to be locked in a cage and you're under where to scrap with someone and have the most grueling fight camps and then you're just going to take you out of it and you can't do that anymore. It's like that's all you've known. They experience that different life than us. They're hyzerd way higher. Yeah.

Highest of highs, lowest of lows. The rest of the life is kind of gray and dull in comparison to the bright lights. I mean, this is how Connor keeps trying to come back. It's like all these guys, it's like that thing. Connor's worth like half a billion dollars.

He doesn't have to do anything anymore if he doesn't want to. But he still has this thing inside of him where he wants to reclaim that lost glory. He's the discipline that could be bad where he could just completely walk out on top. That's beautiful. And if everyone could have the discipline to do it like that, that's rare.

That guy's got Mount Everest discipline. It's like a different kind of discipline. And he's one of the greatest. Yeah, one of the greatest of all time. And that's why, you know, what's interesting is he's stayed training.

He's been training ever since he retired. And he says he's much better now than when he retired. Wow. Can you imagine? Isn't that crazy?

He says he watches his old fights and he sees mistakes that he made and how he would do it differently now. Yeah, he does things differently in training now. And I know guys who train with him and they say he's fucking malls people. He's mauling these like top 10 UFC contenders. And he gets in with them and they can't hold onto him.

He's fucking he's an animal. I believe it. And he's not even training for thinking about fighting again. This episode is brought to you by Welch's fruit snacks. Back to school season can be tough on parents.

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But he's an awesome coach now too. And having a guy like that in your corner imagine the inspiration that a young fighter gets having to be never going to let off coach them. Like you're being coached by one of the most ruthless discipline guy that's ever competed in sport. Retired undefeated one of the rare ones and he's your coach and you want to make him happy. You want to make him proud.

Yeah, having his guidance. Yeah. Well, he's going to be in Islam's corner this weekend. I'm leaving tomorrow. I can't wait.

He's going to be sick. I can't wait. That's a good fight. Very, very interesting fight because Ian Michano Gary is a very difficult guy. You get a hold of.

Very tall and long. Yeah. Fast as fuck. Good striker. Very smart.

No, it's not a win. No, it's not a dap and change. Islam's striking. His fears too though. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. It's a lot better than it used to be. And like the same level as all the other guys in the sport, which is really crazy because he's grappling is above and beyond. So it's like you're dealing with a guy who there's no picnic on the feet. He'll fuck you up on the feet.

I mean, he knocked out Volcanovski with a head kick. He's elite on the feet. And then when it comes to the ground, there's no one like him. There's no one like him in the division. Any division.

He's a crusher. And he just crushes people. Yeah. He's nasty. Me thinking about how good Charles Oliver is, one of the greatest submission artists of all time, Islam got him down the ground and just smushed him.

Just crushed him quickly. Just made him tap quick. Yeah. That was going to be more competitive. Everybody did.

Yeah. Yeah. But that's how good Islam is. You know, and he's also a guy that like you cannot train harder than him. It's not humanly possible.

So he goes into every event knowing it is impossible for someone to train harder than him. It's impossible for someone to have tougher people in camp than he has. Those guys out of Dagestan are on a completely different level. I mean, there is an entire room filled with absolutes, savages, and they're just getting after it every day, full discipline. No one drinks.

No one parties. No one does everything they pray five times a day. They're super religious and they're just driven. Yeah. And you know, he comes into that fight with that kind of confidence because of that.

It's going to be a fun weekend. Yeah. That main event is very tricky because Ian can move, man. He's a really slick guy, really tall. And he's also very fast and long.

So he's going to have a significant height and reach advantage. He's going to be moving all over the place, landing. And if Islam is not careful in how he engages, he could get caught. And you can only get caught by a guy like Ian a couple of times, if at all, you know, before in trouble. So it should be very interesting.

Those are the kind of fights I love that are a puzzle. Yeah. It's like styles make fights. Oh, yeah. That one, that's like a great example.

Yes. And it's also, Ian has this insane confidence. He has this insane belief that he's special, that, you know, this is his destiny. And that, you know, I mean, he's, it looks like that at every weigh in. It looks like that at every stare down.

It looks like that at every press conference. Like, this is his destiny. He really believes that. Which is another huge thing that a fighter has to have. Like almost a delusional belief in themselves.

Yeah. I saw an interview where he was, he actually said he believes in the balance with his family, with every part of his life where most fighters will only focus on fighting during the eight to 10 weeks they're fighting or they're training. And he's like, no, I actually need everything to be in order to make this one thing go great. So I believe in more balance than imbalance. I think it depends entirely on the person and also depends entirely on what does your family look like.

What is the relationship with your wife and your children like? Is it harmonious? And is it, do you get love from it and strength and inspiration? Or is there chaos? Is there like arguing all the time and bickering and pettiness and bullshit and like the car fight, the car fight machine?

Oh my God, but she's fighting when she's squatting with them right before he goes out the fucking fight. I was like, I was like, I could feel for him. Oh, dude, I've seen that before. I've seen that with multiple fighters, multiple. I know one guy who during the night before the fight, his girlfriend at the time would always start fights with them, like huge fights.

Because she didn't like that this one thing fighting was more important to him than her. She wanted to be the entire focus of his attention and whether it was this thing that was taking away, she was a complete narcissist. This thing that was taking away from his attention to her, she would sabotage it. So she would start fights, she would storm out of the hotel room, slam the door and just be gone, shut her phone off. And here he is, freaking out.

He's got to fight for the world title in whatever 20 hours. And he's dealing with this nonsense. It's the worst. I can't imagine. Well, I think that's why some guys they'd rather take that isolated approach.

They would rather just do the Spartan thing and just be alone in camp and sleep on a cot and wake up in the morning and run and just live this very hard six to eight week life. I feel that part. I can't even leading up the shows. I can't be too comfortable. Really?

Oh, no. I can't get a massage before I go play or be chilling in my hotel room. I need to be uncomfortable. Really? Yeah.

Why is that? I don't know. It's all I've known too. I came up lugging my own gear round, setting up my drums and then waiting for the show to start. And I can't just watch a movie before I play or wake up from an app.

It's just not in me. I'm up jump rope being. I'm up watching fights. I'm up going for a run, practicing, learning something new. It's the best head space for me to be in.

Well, I would imagine the difference between drumming and I think any other kind of musical instrument is that it's so physical. It's so physical that it's like a workout. You have to be in shape to drum. You have to. Yeah, you can feel sluggish.

I don't know. I'm a fucking weirder though. I'm worried about what I eat. Do I have enough energy? You know what I mean?

Yeah. And just jump roping right before I play. Well, this is what I was dialing it in and knowing what you need because of the experiences that you've had. You've had so many performances that you can just dial it in. I think that in that way it's very similar to fighting is that every fighter has to have their own approach and Ian's approach is to have his family with him all the time.

And Islam with Khachab's approach is very different. It's like Spartan, all those guys together. You eat and train with the guys. Just separate yourself from everything. Yeah, it's super personal.

Yeah, it's got to be personal because everybody's got a different personality, different mindset, different triggers, different things that fuck with them, different things that calm them down. Yeah. Also, I have all these weird, whatever where I'm jumping, running, practicing for hours before I go on stage. And then there's the times where everything I get thrown a curve ball and I get to the venue five minutes before and I can go up and do it like no problem because I think I've done all this other preparation. Right.

It's like, I also know it works without it. Yeah, right. You're always ready. Stay ready. So you're always ready.

Yes. I live by that. Yeah. Stay ready so you don't have to get ready. That's the goal.

Yeah. Well, fighters have that too because the fighters that get like really out of shape in between fights, they're the ones that really struggle because Patty, we see him blow up like a week later. It's like, it's like, Patty, it's a little deceptive. Really? Patty gets fat, but he doesn't get out of shape.

Patty's got incredible endurance and insane work ethic. So he also really loves to live and live life. You know, so how if you beers, eat some pizza, get fat, but he still could go to the gym and probably outwork everybody. It's, there's no way you're in the kind of shape that that guy's in if you're not training all the time. So even when he gets fat, it's just eating.

Yeah. He's just eating piles of food. I'm sure if you, if I'm sure when you see him in his big moon face, if you got to the gym and worked out, you're like, fuck. Yeah. Yeah.

Still be. Yeah. It's not like he's going to be exhausted and lying on his back after one round in the bag. No. Yeah.

He's, it's only fat. Yeah. And part of the discipline of the weight cut is like this locking in and focusing where you're measuring all your food and there's, there's a certain like shift in the mindset that takes place when he goes from being fat to ripped. And he goes from being fat to ripped. Yeah.

I mean, he does it better than anybody because everyone looks at him like, oh, I was never going to make weight. And then he shows up at the way and shredded chiseled. Yeah. I don't think I see anyone with a big of a transformation. No.

No, his is beyond. And people love him for it too. That's also part of the craziness of it. They celebrate it because it's so silly. Yeah.

He's so likable. Yeah. He's, he's great. And I was like, oh, yeah. That was one of the best fights I've seen in person.

Just in order. I was like, what the fuck just happened? You know, you see what Gachie just did to Iliad to pour you. And now you realize how fucking tough Patty is. Yeah.

Patty's tough. He's, he's silly and he's playful and he's a lot of fun and everybody loves him and he's all likable and he's dancing around. But when it gets down to it, that motherfucker is tough as nails. Yeah. Scary how quick that was.

Yeah. And Gachie's just fuck. Thank God for him. Yeah. So I was so, I was so happy.

Me too. It was incredible. And seeing him do that in the White House. Yeah. Yeah.

I can see him on the lawn of the White House and win the world title when everybody thought he was like a six to one underdog. Yeah. On some sports books, which is nuts. I thought that was very disrespectful. I loved it when he was crazy.

Yeah. And when he was like, I couldn't, I couldn't let him fucking win just based on what I, how bad he was going to disrespect me after he beat me. Mm. The shit he was going to say on the mic and whatever. I was like, nah, it wasn't going to happen.

I love that. I love that. Sometimes you fuck with a guy's head so much that you give him fuel to recover and survive when he might not be able to ordinarily. But the thing about Gachie is that he has zero quit in him. You can't get him to quit.

He's never going to quit. It's like you could break his body down like Max Holley did and knock him unconscious. And there's nothing you can do about that. You get knocked unconscious. You're knocked unconscious.

It's just physical. I've never seen, I've never seen Gachie like that. You know, in the Max fight that was, and I love Max and I just, yeah, that was like shocking. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was pretty crazy.

That was a, and then to have him go from that to become the world champion just a year and a half, two years later, whatever it was, amazing. Six story. Yeah. It's a great sport, man. I mean, there's nothing like it in terms of like the true intensity and the emotions and the excitement.

There's nothing like it. But I think the last time I saw you was at a UFC at the apex. I think that's the last time we ran to each other. You went and gone one, Steve, I thought. Was that what it was?

Wow. Wouldn't that crazy? Oh, being in that small venue when that happening was like, small venue, no audience. Why it? There was probably like maybe 50 people in the whole room, maybe a hundred in the whole room.

You could hear a needle drop too when it happened. I think that's the first fight I took my wife to and she was like, what? Like, yeah, oh, that was a devastating fight too. And it was also, you have a heavyweight fight in the small octagon. So the apex for people that don't know as an octagon that I think is 30 or 40 per cent.

Smaller? Damn, is it that much smaller? Yeah, how much smaller is, let's put that into perplexity, ask it. How much smaller is the UFC apex octagon versus the regular octagon that they use in arenas? And your trapped in there with Francis?

Exactly. Exactly. And also Francis looking for revenge. Yeah. Because this is a steep a beat Francis in his first loss.

Okay. 30%, 30% less space. Wow. That's a lot, man. 30% is crazy.

So you can see the images there. The, when you see the apex next to the big one, the pay per view one, like that is a lot of space. And you just stuffed in there with a guy who is one of the absolute scariest fucking guys that's ever lived. And you can't move. It's not a lot of movement.

A lot of people like that because it's kind of, you know, forces action. But I think the space provides more of a canvas, you know, no pun intended for them to paint their masterpiece. You've got to be able to have angles to get out. And if you're just constrained by an object, which is a fence, when maybe if that object wasn't there, you could move to the side, move in and counter. You know, like think like when Sugar seanamale knocked out Aljamaine Sterling and Aljamaine is pressing forward.

If the cage was closer, he wouldn't have been able to move back as far. It cuts off a lot of the possibilities. That's off a lot of things. That was another shocker. Oh, it was amazing.

Yeah. When Sean did that at the White House and saluted when he knocked out that guy and then. And the walk off. Oh, hard. So hard.

And he said envisioned it, which is even cooler. Like he saw it in his mind. And that's what he was going to do. Yeah, that was great. He had actually, we were texting it back and forth.

He's like, I need to knock him out. And I was like, what happened? I was like, oh, that's just like right off into the sunset, you know. Well, in his position, he really needed something special because Marab versus Piorignon wasn't formally announced yet. And it was thought like maybe if Sean had a spectacular event, he could get the next shot of the title because he has a victory over Piorignon.

That didn't come to be. So now Piorignon and Marab are having a rematch. And after that rematch, if I had a guess, it's most likely to be Sean fighting for the title again. And he has that win over Peter. So that's exciting, right?

But he doesn't have a win over Marab. So Marab wins the title again. He's going to be like, fuck. Yeah, it's like he said, Sal's McFight. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, he can't beat Marab. I mean, I think Sean could beat anybody. But it's just he's got to figure out whatever it is that he needs to figure out to solve that puzzle that is that little Georgian Tasmanian devil that never gets tired. Yeah.

Just he's like the energizer rabbit like just keeps going. Did you ever see what Marab's face looks like when they did like an X-ray of his face and MRI? No. Just broken nose. No.

It might be the most insane broken nose I've ever seen in my life. I would say he's not going to get it fixed. He's not going to fix. Because then he'll have to take a year off of fighting. Not only a year off of fighting.

I don't think he can even spar for a long time. So he can't that's what his nose looks like. Do you know who Pusshead is? No. Okay.

Pusshead's the illest artist ever. He did like misfits. He did like Metallica stuff. He did these skulls. Tell me that doesn't look like that looks like Marab's face.

Top right right there. So he's like Zorlax skateboarding. Did a bunch of thrash or stuff. Wow. Yeah.

That's exactly. We got to. Yeah. Marab's got to do a skull T-shirt or some kind of merch with that. Look at that he's totally showed.

That should be his logo. Look at that nose man. Look at the break of the bone. How hard it's turned towards his right eye. I mean, it's really insane.

I mean, he must not have any ability to get oxygen out of that nose. His cardio must be all mouth breathing, which is even more insane when you think about how much endurance that guy has. Yeah. Look at his nose. I mean, it's crazy.

The twist in that thing is fucking insane. I mean, it's like it covers part of his vision. Yeah. I feel like he's been out what six, seven months now? It's been a while.

Yeah. I was in a while since he fought again. I mean, but it was because he lost the title to Pjodr and now they're going to have a rematch. And what he had defended the belt three times in that year, right? I think it was three times.

Yeah. Well, it was definitely a strength of schedule was tough. You know, you're going through these camps. You have these brutal weight cuts. It's like your body gets worn out.

Yeah. But then there's also Pjodr Jan who had fought Marab before and lost to him and realized what was necessary to beat the guy and fought a perfect fight. Yeah, that performance was amazing. Jan is a fucking assassin too, man. He's a scary guy.

He's a ruthless, mean, technical, vicious guy. And now he already knows that he can beat Marab. So it's going to be interesting to see like who makes the adjustments in the rematch. When is that happening? Is that scheduled?

The Marab fight? I think it is. That might be Salt Lake City. Is that the Salt Lake City fight? I don't know, but it's exciting.

Yeah. It's a great time for the sport. I mean, the sport is on fire right now. It's TBD. TBD.

But it is announced? No, I mean, the Salt Lake City has a TBD for the world. Oh. But does if you look at Marab versus Pjodr Jan too, does it say where it's happening? Usually it says it's next fight on the thing I'm looking at and it doesn't have anything popping up.

I'm pretty sure they've announced that that's happening. LA card, it looks crazy. You going? Yeah. I'm just in the studio this year.

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So what is the LA card right now? It's Pantoja versus Joshua Vans. It's something I posted says it's reported to happen in Abu Dhabi in October. Oh, the rematch with Pjodr Jan and Marab? Yeah.

Okay. That sounds, that makes sense. That'd be a good one for Abu Dhabi. Yeah. The LA card's going to be sick.

Arman Sarukian versus Mauricio Hoofi. That's going to be insane. Like Conno versus Ortega? That's this weekend. Sorry, which one did you want?

The LA card. No worries. That's it. Yeah. So the rematch between Joshua Van and Ben.

Did I can't wait to see what happens? Man, the Pantoja arm break was such a bummer. To have him fall back like that. Yeah, Moicano versus Brian Ortega. Yeah.

Should be fun. Gable Stevenson's again. Cheeto. Yeah. Against Charles Jordan.

Yeah. Should be fun. The UFC doesn't get to LA very often. It's always pretty hiked up. Yeah.

I'm excited when it comes to LA. I love Vegas, but some about LA, you know? You still like living there? Los Angeles? Yeah.

Yeah. I love it. I mean, do you feel any difference over the last five years, six years since the pandemic? Yeah. I mean, for me, my goal is to not drive past DeSoto.

That's not the goal. That's like my living is wake up with my wife and my kids, go to the studio, come back. Well, I actually, I just bought a garage where I keep all my cars. So some days I'll leave my house. It's a three mile run.

I'll run to my garage, pick up one of my old school cars, drive to the studio, then drive back home. That's the perfect day. I don't drive past DeSoto. That's nice. Yeah.

If you can do that and avoid the real chaos that's the center of the hive of LA. Yeah. Once in a while, I'll get out if it's like, you know, someone's a show or something that, you know, me and the wife want to do or me and the kids. But other than that, studio home, studio home, train. Smart.

Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely a better life. Yeah. I have friends that live in the heart of it, like in West Hollywood, I'm like, what is it like?

Like, it's not the same. It's just... Yeah. I couldn't do it. The days I'm in the city, I have a bunch of stuff.

I'll hit, you know, like I'll go to crossroads. I'll go do whatever, but it's rare. Yeah. I can only imagine. Yeah.

Did you ever think about getting out? I don't know if I could do it yet. I think like, for what I do, you know, besides like playing in Blink or touring when I'm home, I'll get a call and they'll say, hey, can we come out of the studio? I want you to play drums on this. I'll see game walking in my neighborhood.

I need you on this record. I just, there's so much that happens right there for me. I think I'll come a time where I don't need to be there, but right now I feel like I'm in demand and I'm playing on a bunch of stuff and I'm recording a bunch of stuff. So it makes sense for me. Do you ever have some thought about like living in the country and retiring somewhere and just like laying back?

Yeah. We were on tour and there was a huge storm in Nashville area. So we were in Franklin for a few days, Franklin, Tennessee, and we immediately started looking at houses like that. We got to go here, but we kind of do that everywhere we go. You know, you travel, you go on vacation, you're like, we want to live here.

We want to get a spot here. I do, I do love Southern California. We have a spot up north like in Santa Barbara. I love Santa Barbara as well. I love the desert.

I feel like moving around in Southern California keeps things fresh like going to the desert for a week or a few days, going to Santa Barbara and then during the week staying in the Calabasas or like Los Angeles and you know working over there. The Montecito area is insane. Yeah, Montecito is so gorgeous. And I also feel like the desert like Coachella out there is, you feel like you're in a different world. You feel much further away from L.A. and all the chaos than you are.

Yeah. It's cool. Yeah, no doubt. They're trying to find themselves. Yeah.

True. It's a very unique environment out there. Yeah. Just kind of weird that they decided to put music festivals out there. I know.

That's wild. You know, one of my best friends, when I left home at around like 16, 17, my dad had given me a couple options. He said, join the military like me, start paying rent or take off. So I took off, right? I was a trash man on the Gonna Beach for a while.

Then I moved to Riverside and I lived with my friend Bill Fold. He had this promoting company called 98 Posse and he would do everything from raves to punk rock shows, hardcore shows, anything. And he ended up starting Coachella. Oh wow. He was obsessed.

Like what we talked about earlier, he was one of those people that were obsessed and I watched him build this amazing festival and yeah, he's just pretty awesome. But the city of Coachella is, it's crickets all the rest of the year. There's nothing. It gets so hot, it's 115. Most businesses close down halfway through the day.

They're open for the morning. And then when Coachella happens, the city thrives and it's just chaos. Are they happy with that? That seems like there's probably a lot of conflicted people. I don't know.

I don't know the business out there. But for everyone that's struggling when it's 115, 120 and no one's coming out of the house, I feel like they're almost, like Coachella saves them. Like the festival saves everybody. Oh, definitely just the volume of people in the town. The volume of people that comes through, I think saves all the businesses.

For sure. When we're out there and it's not like the season or whatever they call it and it's considered too hot, most businesses are open from 9 to 1 PM. That drive out to the desert though is like, I better make sure your air conditioning works. And no old school cars. Don't be taking none of your old school cars on that trip.

The only thing I've driven from LA to Lequinta out there is, have you ever heard of Velocity? Yeah. I got a K5 from them. Oh, nice. You can drive that out there.

I'm sure it has one of those. Yeah, they're sick. He got one of their blazers. They make such a great K5. Yeah, he loves it.

I think I see his. It's brown. Oh, it's brown. I'm color blind. Are you really?

I'm fucking severely color blind. Wow. I have to ask my two and a half year old son what color things are sometimes. It's so bad it is. Like I'll be like, what color is your favorite?

And then he'll tell me what color is that's called. There's arms. Is that black to you? Kind of. Yeah, that really looks black to me.

Yeah, well that's pretty dark. That's in the shadows. I have all black one. What a sick looking truck. So a lot of people build these K5s and they do restomods, but they're either overbuilt and they don't drive great or it's like a, it's over, it's either overbuilt or it doesn't run great or they do too much.

This isn't overdone. They make the perfect rest of them. It's reliable. Yeah, it's reliable. Oh yeah, there's mine.

Oh, nice. Oh, you got a very old school looking. I love it. Yeah, I wanted it to look almost like bone stock. It does.

But this is the velocity when I have a OG orange one with plaid interior that's 72 that still has the old school engine and everything. Oh, really? And it just stays in Palm Springs and that's where we drive that one. Does it have the old school brakes too? No.

Yeah, fuck that. That's it right there. Oh, nice. But see how it looks like it shouldn't leave Palm Springs. Yeah.

You know, my wife drives it a lot. That's cool. Yeah, K5s are dope. I have 72 Bronco from Icon. Sick.

Icon was great. Yeah. They made a blazer. Yeah, they did. I almost bought it.

It was so good and he's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. And I just took it from shop to shop. This was my version of a velocity.

But I think it didn't drive as good as a velocity restoration. Well, it's also you're so lifted. Yeah. The handling of the thing must be rough. Going around corners and shit.

It was really cool. I was really proud of it. It's beautiful. Thank you. That's very cool looking.

There's something about that iconic design. There's something with the way those things look. Look at that. That guy looks awesome. I just remember as a kid seeing topless Chevy trucks.

Like I was like, what? This is it doesn't get any better than this. Yeah. It is a weird thing about old school cars. They just they spark something in you.

Yeah. I like new cars. I love new cars. They're cool. But they don't have the same feeling.

There's something about those old schools. It's just like it's mechanical. Like you're connected to it. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I'm a sucker for old Chevy's and Cadillac's and I have a bunch that's like. How many cars do you have now? I think I have 12. I have a lot of old school Impala's. Really?

I love school Impala's. Like 65's. I have a 59. Oh, whoa. Real old school.

Yeah. I have a 62 wagon Impala. 63 convertible Impala. 60 Cadillac. G&X.

60 Cadillac's. Wow. It's so. Do you have a picture of that thing? I think it might be on the interweb somewhere.

1960 Cadillac's were crazy. Oh, that's my old 1960 Cadillac. I used to have that. Look at that thing. That is wild.

Good luck parking that. Nothing feels like that when you drive those cars. Oh, I'd imagine. So boat. That feels like you're in the middle of the Queen Mary.

Yeah. Look out. That was my 53. That's yours in the far right? These are all my cars in my collection from at some point in my life.

Wow. Yeah. So you're an old soul, dude. I am. There must be.

There's something about you that connects with these things. I don't know. I like the smell of them. I like everything. They're just hard to maintain.

You're a really good mechanic. It's hard. Do you know what kind of feels old school that I got recently that, but that's new is the Chevy Fox truck. What is that? Things a fucking beast.

See if you can pull it up. It's the Fox. The Fox Chevy Silverado. Is this a new car that's come out recently? It's Chevy's answer to the Raptor or the TRX.

That's mine right there. Oh. So it's usually they usually have orange accents, but I did all mine matte black. So it's just I think it has six or 700 horsepower. It has like Baja suspension.

You could drive it anywhere. It's just like a Raptor. Yeah. Why do I not know about this? That's crazy.

The Fox factory Silverado. That's my daily. That's my daily. Fox shocks. So Fox shocks that are collaboration with them.

Yeah. The guts like you could literally jump this truck wherever the fucking one. So that's your daily driver. Yeah. I have a Raptor.

I love the Raptors too. I have a Hennessy Raptor R. Oh, those are hard. That's fun. That's a beautiful truck.

Yeah. There's something about those kind of trucks too that's exciting. Thousand horsepower trucks are ridiculous. It's like, how do they look at that thing flying to the air? That's so crazy.

You ever take it on the dunes? I haven't yet. When I bought it, they came out to the desert and brought a couple and we just whipped them around the desert and we're supposed to plan a day where we go out and jump and do everything. They're like, we'll even let you use one of your, our trucks so we don't fuck up yours. Oh, that's nice.

I appreciate that. Yeah. Because it is all carbon fiber fenders. It's pretty cool. Yeah.

So they stretched it out and widened the wheelbase and everything. Yeah. And you can't even buy them in the States. Like you have to, I mean in California, you have to, I had to ship it from Vegas because of all of the extras because it's supercharged. So California won't let you buy it?

Well, I had to go through this process of pretending I bought it somewhere else. That's awesome. Yeah. What a goofy fucking stick. Yeah, super happy with it.

We are doing another studio. We're going to do a studio at the Circuit of the Americas, Race Track. And so. Like this. Uh huh.

Cool. Yeah, exactly. At that place. That race track. So which is an Austin.

And so what we're going to do is have it set up where you're going to be able to go around the track. We'll, you know, do some laps and then pull in and then have a podcast. Cool. I love that. Which would be great.

If you're going to be so jazzed up after you do a bunch of laps on a race track that you'll come in, you'll be like, Oh, ready to go for sure. It'll be really fun because I bet some people r out themselves up like to come up in here and get really nervous or like, I don't know. Yeah. Some people did. Well, you've done it a bunch.

You and I've talked and hung out before. So it's like, it's easy. Yeah. For some people, it's like doing anything that's got a lot of views gets weird out. It's hard.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you were honestly one of like the first podcast I did besides like Rich Roll back in the day. How's Rich doing? He's great.

He's okay. He reached out. I mean he just reached out a couple days ago saying I love your doc and I'd really love to talk to you again So I'll definitely visit him But when I was when I started my running journey he had reached out and was like anything you need. Oh, that's cool Yeah, he was super nice. It's so cool. Yeah very very nice guy

But yeah, I'd read something about him having back problems and I always get sad when I hear about people that have back problems And I hear they had surgery go. Oh, he looks fucking great. It's like he's yeah Fuck and shredded I feel like if you're running all the time or training all the time you're bound to have some type of injury too The back thing scares me though when people get surgery because there's a lot of options other than surgery that are probably gonna be better for most people Yeah, depending on the situation, of course. I broke my back in four places in my accident Oh, Jesus, and I didn't know about it because I was laid out in a burn center for six months And I never got any surgeries like my doctor exactly said what you just said. It's like you healed perfect like it's me doing surgery I can't guarantee you'd be any better place than you are now Yeah, so I have friends that have had back surgery and they have gotten better because of the back surgery But I also have a lot of friends that got back surgery and they never were the same again And they had to get another back surgery than another one and they have nerve damage and their arms go numb and then they have atrophy in their limbs and Surgery sketch well it can be but there's other ways around it when it comes to like disc issues

And this is one of the things I try to highlight to people there's PRP. There's there's a place in LA and Santa Monica called Lifecycle is that it? They do something called Regina Keen and Regina Keen is a type of a bunch of times. I cannot remember the name of it Isn't it life cycle life cycle Santa Monica? What's that life span life span sorry life span Santa Monica life span medicine phenomenal place shout out to Mosha my friend there But they do PRP but it's a different kind of P It's called Regina Keen and what they do is they take your blood And they pull it out of your body They spin it in a centrifuge and do some sort of process to it and then they re-inject it into you the next day into the discs And it's an insanely potent anti-inflammatory agent And it was the first thing that I did that ever fixed my bulging discs where I had bulging discs in my neck to the point where I was Getting numbness in my fingers yeah all from jujitsu Yeah, and it was really getting me to the point where I was like I don't think I could train anymore like every time I train I'm an agony like it keeps getting worse and I would go on a chiropractor and he was full of shit

And they weren't helping me at all and then this regenicking thing and like within a week I started feeling better two weeks later no more numbness no more tingling in my fingers And then within a couple of months after that I was fully healed like another MRI my disc had completely gone back in place Wow it's game-changing yeah because it was pulling it was pushing out and pressing against the nerve It was causing pain like nerve pain in my elbow and it was the ulnar nerve saying nerve you're talking about scary right Yeah, getting like tingly feelings in your fingers and you can't feel them. Yeah It was also one of these things where I was like okay I think I might be done with jujitsu like this is a real problem But I got back into it because of this so the regenikeen fixed that and then I've also had stem cells now like stem cells Especially if you go to a place that really is on top of everything and that they're using state-of-the-art stem cell technology Like there's a lot of places you have to go out of the country like cpi down in Mexico So I was gonna ask you is there places in the States now waste well waste well right here in Austin is the best place I've ever been to Um, I haven't been to the places overseas but I've had phenomenal results with waste well And I brought a bunch of people in that have had fun not like we just brought John Jones in recently

He's got problems his hip feels much better. He said we brought a bunch of MMA fighters in algermane sternly Who was just here a couple days ago? He was there a waste well on monday and so waste well as like my friend Brigham Who runs it is it's literally like state-of-the-art whatever the fucking science is at the moment He's on top of it. They've got hyperbaric chambers. They've got red light therapy. They've got every

Every single method of treating injuries and recovery. They're always on top of everything. They have a full gym down there It's really sick. It's an awesome place but for you being you know Either when you're out here if you ever want to get treated if there's something wrong if you have an injury You could definitely go to here to waste well. You could also go to Tijuana like Tijuana where the CPI is That's the place that has the they have a partnership with the UFC the cellular performance institutes in Tijuana amazing place I know the guys who run it and that's another very similar state-of-the-art place but they aren't restricted with the Type of there's different restrictions in America in terms of what you can and can't do down there It's the wild west you can kind of do anything and so I know a lot of people that have pretty phenomenal results going there Yeah, I'm wondering I have this I have this gene factor five where I caught really easy. I wonder if I could do it

Let's find out. What why would uh that like for example? I can't do IVs really? Mm-hmm. How come because I have really thick blood. I have a blood disorder

Really easy and that's a genetic variant. Yeah, well, I didn't I didn't really know about it when uh when my accident happened I had a bunch of clots and just like put a filter that lives in my body forever It's like a permanent filter that kind of like funnels the blood so it doesn't get stuck. Where's the filter? Uh, it's like between my back and my stomach Wow. Yeah to stop anything coming up like big clots from my leg Holy shit. Harder my head. So um a filter. What's it made out of?

It's plastic unfortunately Because I've read a bunch about him I went on this whole journey because when I found out about it and they said we had to put this in you or you could have died because you Got a huge clots Uh, but you can't remove it and they have a life expectancy of about 20 years and then sometimes the filter breaks inside of you or It caused whatever but uh, yeah, I just have pma positive mental attitude. It's not gonna happen. Um, how long ago did you get it put in? Uh, it was like my accident. Uh, whatever year that was 2008 so it was almost 20 years ago So you might have to get it taken out and you can't take it out It's cemented to the wall. Oh, yeah, so like you can't you can't do anything with it now now about 10 years later

They started making ones that are removable. Yeah, mine's not removable. I've you see filter. Yeah, that's exactly you can't take it out and put a new one in That's removable. Mm-hmm. You sure positive that seems crazy

They say the the surgery to take it out would be more life threatening than leaving it in Wow. Yeah And so what happens if this thing breaks and fails? So Ironically, it could do the same thing a clock would do it would go up to your heart or your head Kill you. Oh fuck man That's it, huh? I VC filtered devices to unplug clients and prevent them from traveling to the heart and lungs. Wow. Do you have to take any kind of medication for this?

Just blood thinner when I when I fly Just because I know I clocked or if I'm if I'm on a tour bus for a long long period of time I got to take a blood thinner But then I don't take them every day because it's also a risk to be on blood thinners and if you get in a car we get whatever And cut yeah, but honestly I forget about it I forget it's even in there just but yeah Just like but you know how some people will go on they'll do a marathon and they'll get an IV I can't do that or I just have to really be cautious about getting poked Yeah, I had a I had an incident that happened years ago where someone was just trying to find my vein and she had poked me tons of times This nurse and I had 30 clots just in one of my arms. Holy fuck dude. So yeah, I've also learned the The lesson of not being really cautious in what happens, you know, yeah, so I can't believe you still spar When you have that that seems nuts because like you get leg kicked and develop a clot in your legs Yeah, I could my my doctor's pretty cool and he doesn't Over worry about too much or anything. He said I'd rather you not have a blood thinner in your system if you're playing drums and you cut yourself open

Or if you're boxing or light sparring So yeah, I mean knock on wood so it's called factor five factor five. Yeah, and it's just a rare genetic condition Yeah, well, I think a lot of people have it I think there's I don't know how rare it is But yeah, the people do it you can have half a gene or a full gene and I have the full one So I'm really prone to clotting where my kids like my one daughter Alabama. She has half of it So it's not as concerning but she has to be cautious. Huh? Whoa, yeah, and is there anything you can do with the supplements or anything like that that aids that?

Uh Like a natural blood thinner is beat beat juice or like beat shots. So I pretty much have one every day Baby aspirin beat juice is supposed to aid also in like oxygen utilization, right? Yeah, I mean it was actually I told me about that it was the pre workout before pre workouts Really? Yeah Yeah, people would just slam beat juice or a shot of beat juice. I do it every show beat juice Beat juice beat juice like an hour before you go on stage drinking about one cup 250 milliliters of beetroot juice daily can help lowers systolic blood pressure The top number by a few points the natural dietary nitrates in beats convert into nitric oxide in your body Which relaxes and widens your blood vessels to improve blood flow. Oh, so it's like nature's viegra

Yeah, it is basically yeah That ginseng my go-to ginseng. I love ginseng. It's awesome for energy. So good. Yeah, it's kind of Amazing how many different natural remedies there are that really work and we were all sort of brainwashed when we were younger to think that the only thing that's good for you Are drugs from a pharmaceutical company that if you have anything wrong with you the medicine is all medicine that's petroleum based pharmaceutical drug medicine And that's what's good for you all that other herbal stuff is all for retard It's all for nonsense and hippies and people that don't read books. Well because they brainwash us. Uh-huh. Yeah, I don't take any medicine

I don't take advil, tylenol. Good for you anything that stuff the thing about tylenol or advil For people that take nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen that stuff is terrible for your gut Is it tylenol super bad for you now? Well, tylenol There's a really sad story that I read during the pandemic of this lady who had covid and she was in so much pain that she kept pounding tylenol And she died from liver toxicity Because tylenol which has acetaminophen in it kills people every year. I mean how many people we've I know we've looked this up before But I don't remember the number but it's not a small number of people die from acetaminophen poisoning from things like tylenol every year It's quite a few. Yeah, it's like you think oh tylenol is not gonna kill Yeah, it's just like a pill and it won't if you just take one or if you take two or whatever you're supposed to take But if you take a lot you're fucked 500 deaths per year largely through overdose related acute liver failure Some estimates but it roughly was I mean 458 about 500 reasonably shorthand. Yeah, acetaminophen is fucking poisoning

It can get you, you know, if you take a lot of it and yeah, I don't think that's the same with ibuprofen I don't think there's a lot of ibuprofen deaths, but I do know that my friend cam hanes who runs I love cam. He's your madam. Yeah. Yeah, we run together. Oh really? Yeah, no shit

He actually did one of my uh, you know how I'm saying I'm like really into tempo training We're like you'll tempo training you'll do like a vigorous like resistance weights and then you'll sprint, you know He came and did what we mean. He was like fuck draft. He was like that was that was a lot, you know And we went on uh we we run anytime. He's in LA. I love cam like people get so pissed that we're friends Why because they're like how do you like someone that hunts? I'm like because that's my guy. I love him

I don't care if he hunts. I don't care who he votes for. I don't care what he eats like that's my dog You know like you guys get it. I love you. He gave me a bow. It was so cool. We shot it at my studio

Um, it was so he's so cool and I think likewise probably a bunch of people are like why are you homies with a vegan cam whatever whatever people think you know like we uh, I love cam. I think there's way more accepting people on the other side than the vegan side. The vegan side is very hardcore Those people get very adamant about like not being around other people that don't share their values or I don't care what anyone does You know, I love everyone the same. I don't care what president you vote for. I don't care if you're gay straight I don't I don't care about anything, you know, I just judge people if they're a good person. You know, I agree

Um, and that's how we all should be but yeah, I met cam I showed up to actually showed up to tom and um birds like 5k was the first time I ever ran and um I just showed up my homie Toby invited me and I said fuck I'll go run a 5k whatever no ran a 5k I always run by myself just because I like running and I show up there and uh Right when I get to the starting line cam greets me. I don't know who he is. He's like, what are you gonna pace today? What's your number and I'm like fuck if I know and he's like, uh, what about you and he gave me some number and he's like What are you gonna do? I said I'm gonna try to keep up and I just ran my ass off Like I I just like tried to keep up with cam and then uh, and then we just stayed friends after that That's awesome. And I did pretty pretty good in that 5k actually um did way better than I thought I would have, you know, that's awesome

That's awesome. Yeah, and then we became friends and he's one of my best friends. Yeah, he's great I love him to death. Um what I was getting at was that he um was taking ibuprofen He was taking 800 milligrams a day and I didn't know he was taking that much And I was talking him on the phone once and he was telling me yeah, I took 800 milligrams day I was like whoa wait a minute how much I go you do that every day and I go why I'm in pain I mean pain all the time and I want to keep running And so then I sent him some information that ronda patrick dr ronda patrick put out about the problem with ibuprofen The problem with taking large doses of it on a regular basis and what it does to your gut biome So he stopped taking he said well fucking I want to ruin my body Let me just stop taking it the pain that he was experiencing went away after he stopped taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen a day And he realized that the pain that he was experienced was accentuated by the fact that he was causing inflammation in his body by taking anti-inflammatories That were destroying his gut biome. So he's taking his gut with exactly exactly So he's taking all this 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day It's torching his gut biome that's causing this cascade of inflammatory responses in his body

And he's in pain all the time he gets off of the ibuprofen the pain goes away That wild yeah, but you get brainwashed into thinking I need all these things meanwhile turmeric and curcumin And there's a bunch of different anti-inflammatories that don't cause any sort of gut disturbance And they're much better for you and healthy and you know getting from food Yeah, all the natural stuff and then I feel like contrast therapy so helpful to you know Yep, like doing sauna cold plunge sauna cold plunge. Oh, yeah, anytime I'm injured. That's that's what I go to you know I hit up camp actually one time and I was like, can't I just did a half marathon? I'm about to do another one What do you suggest? He's like drive get yourself an ilk I can't remember what you're talking to, you know So for you as the vegan thing just all animals. It's an animal love thing

Nah, it wasn't even it is it is that like I am kind of under the The thought process of if I love one if I have a dog and I love a dog I love kind of love all animals right like I I love all animals the same. I'm not like I'm gonna eat that one I'm gonna shoot that one, but I love my dog, right? It's a little contradicting to me, you know But uh, but I didn't even know any of these things at a young age. I remember Food will be put in front of me and there'd be ham whatever and I would just naturally put the hand in my ham in my pocket And eat like the mac and cheese or whatever else the spinach and because my dad had this rule He's like you eat everything you don't get up from the fucking table straight up I don't care if you're there for three hours that that's what it was because your mom spent time making the food You got to eat the food you don't leave the table so I'd pocket it and then my mom my mom would find it when she'd go wash clothes So started like that and then Next was oh ham is actually this hot dog is actually this hamburger is this and I'm like whoa I just thought hamburger was a hamburger. I didn't really know me. Yeah, so I just naturally didn't like I was already like not liking the taste or the texture

Right, so I was like okay, whatever and so vegetarian from the time I was a kid all the way up until my accident and then after my accident vegan So it wasn't really about animals. It was just at that time. It was like I just I wasn't drawn to eat that stuff It's not that's not what I was into. I loved being in cheese burritos. I grew up on bean and cheese burritos from I love a good bean. Yeah from where I grew up, you know, um

I love the next bit with hot sauce. Yeah, you can't beat it So that's kind of like what I was raised on. There's cheese and bean and cheese burritos. Yeah, so I wasn't vegan until Years ago, you know, so I would have dairy. But do you ever eat eggs? Never. No, you know if you have your own chickens

It's a pretty karma-free food. Yeah, it's like I have chickens I've 19 chickens and they're pets so they wander around the yard Have a good time like hey ladies like there's they have no cruelty No one's doing anything bad to them They go into their nest boxes and they lay eggs and then you just gather the eggs The eggs will never be a chicken because they're not fertilized. It's just food It's just free food. It's just free food. It's not free you pay for chicken food and you take care of them and all that stuff But I mean in terms of like it's karma-free. Yeah, no one's getting hurt. Like literally no one is getting hurt

Chickens will lay an egg almost every day. Yeah, and so we have like baskets of eggs in my house We always have eggs. I think for whatever for whatever reason now, it's like anything and there's this amazing It's actually I think they they market as a protein of vegan protein, but you make egg whites out of it and it's phenomenal What's it mean? It has the same amount of protein as egg whites too. Does it have the same amino acid profile?

I think so maybe if it see if it comes up, what is it called? I have it in my phone somewhere, but I'm on my phone. Yeah, it's like and it's like and it's not just egg or one of the basic ones It's one that I my daughter had sent me and it's bananas you make you make omelets out of it And it's just incredible and you get tons of protein But I think after I after I beef jerky in a hospital for six months I was like these I'm gonna be vegan watch this and then I stopped like I stopped kind of having anything that came from animals period Just to see what it would be like like I don't have honey Yeah, no honey And I just feel fucking good like I have tons of energy I can I have no lack of energy You know, I feel great. I feel like I operate like I don't know just feel the best I've ever felt like how I am right now You know, I mean I think everyone's different Yeah, and that's one of the cool things about having a bunch of different diets out there is a bunch of different options for people to try and find Whatever works for you. Yeah, even within my family like my one daughter is vegetarian My son eats me my wife eats me my youngest son has meat sometimes

It's like whatever everyone decides is what I'm cool with, you know, that's awesome And that's just what works for me. That's a great attitude But I think you also have it dialed in like you have whatever diet you're on dialed in where you know You're getting the right amount of protein and there's a there's quite a few different plant sources of protein that have A complete amino acid profile. Yeah, well, there's no hemp. It's perfect. I mean, oh that Gary makes Yeah, those are game changer. Mm-hmm. You take five in the morning five at night game changer. Yeah, no, but it was it was

I won't say it's like not hard to dial it in it is difficult to dial in it is You got to navigate just like anything else, right? Right, there's so many people that they go vegan But then they just eat like vegan pizza and they don't yeah crossroads your restaurant I still have never been but everybody I know that when it says it's fucking phenomenal like even Dana who does not like Dana Food he's like dude. It's fucking incredible. He goes. It's incredible Yeah, I think I think when uh You probably don't know what to expect right when you go to a plant-based restaurant, right?

But it's all Ronin the chef on it from crossroads It's just he's incredible and the food it's an afterthought that you ate something that was vegan It's not even on the menu that it's plant-based. That's awesome There's a place in the valley that I used to go to all the time. God. I can't remember the name of it now escaping me Was it follow your heart? Yes. Yes. I go every day. Yes. That's it. That's great. Yes. That's another completely plant-based restaurant

We used to go there all the time. Yeah, it's a little bit away. Yeah, follow your heart was pretty close Yeah, they have a they have a little cafe where you can eat in grocery store. Yep. Yep. Supplements and stuff. It's great. They're nut burger

Very good. Yeah, it's like really I would crave it. Yeah, that's cool I'm like I love just everyone being open-minded and you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, I've tried anything Yeah, um for me personally what I've tried is I eat more meat than anything I can eat mostly meat, mostly wild game play a lot of rib eyes and steak and that just makes me feel the best You know, I don't love animal cruelty. I don't like it I don't think it's good in any way shape or form But I also realize that animals eat animals life eats life Yeah, this is just and the thing about hunting is it I'm in complete contact with where my food's coming from. I know the source of it. I'm there when the animal dies

I'm there. I do it. I participate in the whole thing. I carry it out of the woods, you know, I cut it up Bring it to a butcher shop and have it, you know packaged in the steaks I'm thinking of cam right now because when he was in my neighborhood, you know, we have deer and calabasas He was eyeballing him. Oh, yeah, he was eyeballing. I'm like don't even fucking think about it

Of course. Yeah, he was like, oh, look at that. Look at that. Like the shoulder. I'm looking at him like oh, look at the cool family deer He's like oh shit. That's like food. Yeah, it's so funny. Well, especially him

But yeah, I totally like I said, I get it, you know, it's cool that you're so open-minded about that that you do And you're not judgmental. It's I think that's a great attitude to have that more people should have Dopped with everything with political ideologies religion. Whatever it is. Yeah, don't fuck with me I won't fuck with you I'd like to hear your opinions on things because I'd like to know where people where they're formed their thoughts from what's your perspective? Yeah, yeah Yeah, I hate when uh anyone from in either side of things are so aggressive that we're like they just bum everybody out, you know, they do I also think that a lot of times it's not coming from a healthy place to begin with I think a lot of people find a thing that they can use as an excuse to be an asshole And uh whether that thing is their political beliefs or their religion or whatever their social ideology Whatever it is they find a thing that they can call you out because you fuck you. You're the fucking easy man

You fuck you man And it's just what's really going on is they're just looking for a reason to be an asshole And they're not a balanced person or a happy healthy person It's one thing if someone is confronting you personally and yelling at you and you're yelling back at them and you're in an argument But if you're starting that initiating that because someone doesn't disagree Does someone disagrees with you or doesn't see things the way they're doing? First of all, you're a shitty communicator and two you're probably a shitty person because that's why you're behaving the way you're behaving And you're using this point whatever it is whether it's being a vegan or being a republican or being a democrat or being in his A muslim or being a christian or whatever the fuck it is that you've decided is more important than being civil and kind and courteous You're what you really are is just a shitty version of a person whether you realize it or not You probably don't probably don't even probably think you're justified and that's why you're doing it and you're probably think i'm doing the right thing And everyone's like i love it that you have no chill. He's got no chill like no He's a cunt this guy's a cunt and he's a miserable and suffable person to be around regardless of what his belief system is versus the other person's belief system And if he had a perspective that was i don't know why you think the way you think but i think differently let's have a conversation

You might find common ground yeah, you might be able to realize like oh you can have friends that don't think the way you think I have friends that are muslims. I have friends that are atheist. I have all I have gay friends I have a ton of friends that are completely different than me and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I love them It's great. You don't everyone doesn't have to be you everyone doesn't have to be the same as you nor they have to agree with you

Yeah, but there's too many people that what they're looking for is some reason why they're right and some reason to be an asshole to other people that don't think the same way they think And they think that they're justified by it and I think they're it's a real problem It's also a real problem with social media because those people their voices get amplified and people piling yeah you go boy or you go girl and I feel like anyone who can like look at I mean social media is corny to begin with right but you're gonna go on instagram then you're gonna say something extreme or fucked up to someone it's like You're so you're so lame like that you actually took the the time to think about writing something bad then wrote it then press send like you're fucked up You don't even like straight up like anyone that's gonna say or spew negativity. I'm like yep. Yeah, I just it's just weakness It's just weakness and I guarantee you you're not doing the maximum amount you should be doing with your life with whatever you're pursuing You're you're not they're lacking some way for sure. You know that's why they choose the time to just lash out at people or mischaracterize people or have the least charitable take on people. It's usually they're lacking. They're usually at least somewhat mediocre

There's always usually some flaw in their game and what they're doing and then lashing out at other people Which is fun, but it's also like other people can learn from that too like yeah, it seems like a cunt and then don't be a cunt You know you realize that and go. Okay. Yeah, I can't see that myself sometimes. Maybe we should a little self-correction. Yeah, you're like I don't ever want to be like that. Exactly. That's great. Exactly or the opposite when someone's like

Has like a really Objective charitable take on someone like hey man Maybe he thinks this way and you know Maybe the right way to approach it is to approach someone civilly and we can find common ground like some you read someone saying something like that And you go oh I want to be more like that guy like that guy like I like the way that guy thinks like that that's inspiring to me Like that to me like that's probably a cool person to have a conversation with They're not gonna be they're not gonna use it as an excuse to be aggressive and excuse to be shitty and insulting and mean because you're not changing anybody's opinion when you do that You're just not you know and you will you get the peanut gallery to pile in great So you've got team cunt you've got a little cunt farm behind you and you're all attacking all these other people and you think somehow No, you're justified because there's some other flawed people that agree with you that you're allowed to be shitty to people because they Don't think the way you think or because they only plants or because they worship this God or like come on Yeah, we're like David Goggins has it figured out how he like how he just listens to all his haters Whatever any like runs exercises like that's the that's the shit like use it as a tool Yeah, I think you're better off not even listen to the haters. He's saying every time I talk to him like you're so insane

Yeah, I mean like I said yeah, anyone that's gonna say anything is so lame right off the jump Yeah, but there's a lot of laying people in this world unfortunately because there's a lot of people that don't have a you know It's hard to be a person it's complicated Yeah, I don't have a guidebook on how to be a person and be happy and I think you have to like I'm disciplined like sometimes I'll read some and I'll be like you motherfucker. I'm like oh no, I can't do I can't do what they do right? I can't I can't I can't stupid especially your Travis Barker Yeah, you're a famous guy like if you do what they do It's a different thing like if you go back at them It's that is one of the lamest things when you see celebrity never going at like fans in the comments like what are you take your phone away?

Take his phone away. Yeah, who's letting we don't want to see you do that the people who love your music or whatever Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no How many people have like ruined other people's opinions of them because of doing something like that or going on some lame fucking Rant against someone because of the way they voted or the way they view this or the way they you know whatever it is Luckily like the hate the hate like I get the weird I get the weirdest hate It's not even really hate but it's just something like they know they're like throwing darts from across the room at me is like Oh, bro He's like a Kardashian now or he married a Kardashian I'm like motherfucker. That's the most punk thing I could do is marry a Kardashian and just say fuck you You know what I mean? It's about like though like that even shows you I clearly don't give a fuck You know what I mean like and my wife isn't like I can't label her like that She's my wife. She's my soulmate right I love her to death, but to think like have you seen me change?

Well, that's not at all Have you seen me like dressed it dog? I dress I dress so different obviously than my wife or her family like I'm Continue to be my own person's I look the same I've wore the same dickies pants the same band shoes had the same tattoos That stopped me from getting a real job since I was 16 years old fuck you I mean straight up fuck you and uh and that's why I mean punk rock is not about music either It's about like you don't you don't care when anyone thinks right as long as you're doing you are you are you are you're not hurting anybody? That's punk rock. I knew a lot of people thought it was cool that you guys got together Like look at those two people from totally different worlds that love each other. That's cool. Oh, it's the best

It's just only I hate her with with think that other way though, right? You know, but if you started getting on but it's the one that I see off and you started wearing designer clothes Yeah, I started dressing like a lame and I start yeah, of course like to come for me, you know, right? Please please but yeah, that's like that's one that's always like funny to me I'm like well, there's a problem with like, you know whenever there's anything that's happening publicly You're living your life publicly. There's always gonna be hate. Oh, yeah, and Wayne said it a long time ago I remember he told me he's like dog you you you haven't made it until you have haters But you know, you're successful the minute motherfucker start hating on you the other scene cat Williams sit on haters Mm-hmm. Oh, pull that up. Oh, I bet it's great. He's got a fantastic bit on haters about people complaining about haters

It's the same kind of thing you found it anywhere You can't say cat Williams on haters Yeah, he's got a whole I think the bits titles here. Okay. Give me some volume I'm gonna hate you regardless Where niggas ain't hating on you you gotta be grateful you need haters what the fuck is you complaining about what the fuck do you think I hate Is job is the fucking hate so let them motherfuckers do they goddamn job Ladies if you got 14 women hate on you you need to figure out how to get the six team before the summer get Hey, man So true so true it comes with the territory. Yeah, this is the job. We chose this is the life we chose you're gonna get haters totally

but it's your You know, it's your obligation to manage the waters and you you don't have to dive in and fucking never Swinging their own shit and waddle around with them like pigs totally. It's not necessary No, but it's a never would I you know? No? Mm-hmm a lot of people do unfortunately But just but it's also this is a new thing like this new thing where people have direct access to everybody like that Yeah, if you know people choose to be on social media like you have direct access to all kinds of people They're gonna read your comments and people know that yeah If your person reads comments and so they go and attack you and it's a weird world that a lot of famous people don't know how to navigate And a lot of people they get like some year anxiety because they do read that shit And then they're like hold up their home by themselves staring at their phone You're gonna fucking giant mansion living like a ball or you got a Ferrari meanwhile you're in hell like I said Yeah, if you're not hurting anybody and it's like you know, I mean like life life's good. Yeah Yeah, but also you'll feel better if you're not doing that totally or they say like if you do read it and you find any truth in it Like it's your chance to fix it right? It's your chance to whatever or use it as like motivation, you know

Like God knows yeah, even if the shit there their spooing is so false and fairy tale. It's like still you know, I mean mmm Go go lift or go box or go play drums or go do whatever you do you know Always feels good because yeah, none of it none of it really like sits with you, you know Well, and I understand haters too Yeah, I've always said this that if I was a 15 year old kid So we gave me a Twitter account I could get ahold of someone like me and talk shit to him. I 100% would oh yeah fuck Yeah as a kid I don't even know what it would be like because we didn't have it but I also know like from where uh You know punk rock was has always been very finicky very very sensitive, right?

You know the band gets popular everyone's fucking hate on the radio fuck that band yeah fans now They can act they can eat they can fucking you know what I mean pay rent fuck them, you know It's like that you know skateboarding which I like change my my life and raise me skateboarding is also they're very strict You know about about who can call themself a skater or you know, there's just all the all these things There's like when when all these things should just be celebrated like skateboarding is fucking cool It's like some of the coolest people in the world, you know skateboard and and skateboarding is taught most of the world like how to dress properly and Serious like I mean a lot of rappers basically nowadays just dressed like skateboarders skateboarders like set it off Like they had the best taste from the jump. How do you think that happen?

How did skateboards develop such a great sense of style in your opinion? I don't know. It's just it's just one of those things like even what I'm like why that particular activity would have like a whole like Style associated with it. I mean I grew up with like huge pants and like t-shirts and and just vans, you know skateboarding and beanies You know, that's like I don't know but everything from the time skate videos were released They were secretly maybe they didn't know about it But they were teaching everyone what the coolest music was and at the time music was so catty or guys like you're either a punk rocker You like country you like rap you like that skate videos were everything the illest best music of every genre So a bunch of skate kids were going up listening to operation Ivy and loving the far side, you know So it was like happily confused. They just knew the best of every world It was different, you know, it's just interesting that a style of clothing is associated with a physical activity Well, then you had Lil Wayne who learned how to skateboard halfway through his career and I Feel like everyone around him looked to him for also style and started dressing like him. Oh, wow

So and some people don't even know I feel like punk rock and skateboarding. I mean play my cardie. Where's punk rock clothes? He's all aesthetic is punk rock, you know Where did he get it from got it from punk rock, you know, like it was born there and I Hate gatekeepers, right? I love what he's done with it And I love that all these new groups of kids that love cardie and love King Carson or they're dressing like punkers They might not even know it They just think they're dressing like, you know, their favorite rapper, but it stems and it's rooted from punk rock and skateboarding Wow, yeah, I can't think of another activity that has a style associated with it like that Yeah, there really isn't like BMX people, you know, but they have to wear pads and stuff. I mean BMX was really cool

I love BMX, but yeah, and there's not like a nice style. That's associated with yeah and skateboarding a punk rock like this Right well, it's rebellion right? Yeah being an outcast. It's doing something that's either frowned upon or only other people They're like you understand it, but it could have been right like skateboarding could have been well Couldn't I can't even say this like but like it's a skateboard. It could have been athletic. It could have been sporty

Yeah, it was from the get go it was raw and it was gritty and it was it's also One of the hardest things as far as like the amount of falls and injuries you take Oh, it would be a tough motherfucker to skateboard. Yeah, a lot of concussions Yeah, a lot of guys when they're doing tricks falling their fucking head the board hitting your shins over and over again breaking arms breaking legs It's yeah, it's an early sport especially if you're doing it in these urban environments or people trying to go down railings and yeah Street skating it's like it's just whatever you find while you're skateboarding down the street You know pretty cool. It is interesting that it has a style of clothing and dress associated with it. Yeah Yeah, and it that it kind of mirrors like punk rock aesthetics Yeah, and both the genres are very protective, you know, yeah weird cool. It is cool, but maybe it should be protected Maybe that's why it's still so cool, you know well for them the people that are protecting it like it means something to them It's probably their haven from the standard society the pressures of fitting in and conforming that they don't want and so like this

Things like a church to them. Yeah, it's like sacri-f it's like religious I mean when I was 13 I felt like an outcast and it was skaters against jocks where I grew up It was like jocks and you played football or you were a skateboarder Which basically you listen to punk rock music you listen to faction you listen to DRI you listen to whatever and we looked really different So we were we were outcasts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah All right, yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. Oh, it's good. See you man. Oh, it's you

This documentary when people watch it. It's out on Hulu right now Right here and we're looking at the crash And when I think about it, I have the worst flashbacks I Last thing my mom said to me, but just play drums the drums are literally the heartbeat of the musical body A lot of people came just to watch him. You just had this. Oh, you're gonna get picked up by a band And you will be a star attraction by doing it better get yourself a job boy, and he said no dad I'm gonna go play in a punk rock band and I won't have a plane beat Mark and Tom come up to me and said our drummer just left what you consider playing show starts in an hour They felt effortless things were just exploding that was quite a while ride I was torn with blinkin on stock. I was taking so many pills that I had to secure to guard his only job was to watch me sleep Make sure I was breathing. It was all the blur and then came the crash

Just fire and chaos everywhere 65% of my body was bright 27 surgeries falling from the sky like Icarus probably does some tear head Walk into room and I don't cry ever we cried bro. Che and Chris were like brothers to me And then I am passing away a year later. Why am I here and everyone else isn't I had to ask myself who I was gonna be after this accident I could never truly understand what he went through I had this burning desire to become the greatest person and father. I could be Change from the whole family. I feel like brought us closer together We loved him trying to cook her as going on bike rides knowing how close I got to not being here My appreciation for life is so I can't even explain why Every head is him communicating. He's already so well

Dude, he has got crazy story Wow, that was awesome. Thank you. Fuck. Thanks, brother. That's me. Thank you. Thank you. Bye