27.1 - Sukkah Daf 33 A (17 lines befor spreads)

Today’s learning is sponsored by Sponsor a day's learning (thousands of minutes!) for only $72 click here  https://www.flipcause.com/secure/cause_pdetails/ODUwOTU=  Rabbi Yirmiyah inquired: Does dichui apply to mitzvos or only to korbanos?   Summary   Suggestion: Perhaps this is already debated by these Tannaim:  “Rabbi Elazar ben Tzadok: If one transgresses the laws of Yom Tov to remove the berries that grew on his hadassim, it is possul. Chachomim: It is kosher.” We can say that ‘lulav ein tzarich agad’ [the lulav need not be ‘made’ by tying it together with the hadassim and aravos], but even if it does need to be ‘made’, the ‘taaseh v’lo min ha’asuy’ of sukkos does not apply to lulav as well. Thus, Rabbi Elazar ben Tzadok holds that dichui applies to mitzvos [and since the hadassim were possul with the advent of yom tov, they can no longer become kosher], while the Chachomim hold that dichui does not apply to mitzvos.   Response: No, everyone agrees that dichui does not apply to mitzvos, they argue over whether the ‘taaseh v’lo min ha’asuy’ of sukkos applies to lulav or not* [this implies that we hold lulav tzarich agad].   Or we can say: If we hold lulav tzarich agad, then certainly the taaseh applies, but the Chachomim hold that lulav ein tzarich agad.   The debate about lulav tzarich agad (10.1):  Beraisa: “A lulav is kosher whether it’s bound or not. Rabbi Yehuda: A lulav is kosher if it’s bound and possul if unbound”.  Rabbi Yehuda learns a gezeirah shaveh; The word ‘lekicha’ is used regarding lulav and regarding the hyssop bundle [used in the preparation of the korban pesach in Mitzrayim]. The Chachomim do not learn the gezeirah shaveh.   Question: Whose opinion does this beraisa follow? “A lulav should be bound, but is kosher even if it remains unbound”?  Answer: It follows the Chachomim. Binding is not a requirement but it’s recommended so as to beautify Hashem’s mitzvos.   Click here to listen to the shiur with Tosfos https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HRzbd_KGiwtwZABosLW_fm5Qh-9DzaLv/view?usp=sharing * Tosfos: If this is the debate, the beraisa need not have discussed a case where one removed the berries on yom tov. But we still learn something else, that according to the Chachomim there’s no dichui. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate