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Did you know the following true fact mathematicians have been aware of and obsessed with for many many years is that four is actually in love with five but is incapable of asking five out on a date and they've been trying to figure this out for centuries and a scientist's slash mathematician was recently able to finally get to the bottom of why four will never ask five out on a date and it turns out it's because four is too squared. Four is too squared. I've been wanting to tell that one for a while and I just couldn't subject John to it so I just subjected me to it and also all of you. I feel like I need to explain it.
Four is too squared and also it sounds like four is too scared. It's not very good. It's not very good anyway John right now as we record this you just called me is in a fake Chuck E Cheese as they record and create the movie Turtles All The Way Down. So he was frantically trying to figure out how can I make your Hank and John today, how can I get away, how can I get to the hotel room and I was like John look I took the last like four weeks off.
You can take one week off but then I was like I feel bad about this because I can't take five weeks off in a row and John did a whole Dear Hank and John all by himself and I think I was skeptical. I was skeptical going into that episode and I think he did a fantastic job. I'm proud of him. It seemed like it was really hard and he worked really hard on it and so I have decided to attempt to do this as well and one of the things that I thought was just a marvelous innovation from John was when he said to Tuna to give a little music and so I would like to tune it for you to give me a little music.
Give me something that sounds like it was made and I'm sorry about this under the ocean. Just some like it has under what we're now an underwater ocean vibe everybody welcome to the underwater ocean vibe it's just Dear Hank and we're vibing we're chilling under the water just imagine you can still breathe maybe you got scuba gear maybe you're a fish maybe you're a sperm whale and you can hold your breath for hours and hours and you are just down there in the beautiful darkness having a little bit of peace feeling not overwhelmed by the scale of your surroundings but comfortable in your sort of competent confidence your confident confidence there's nothing better than confident confidence imagine and you can't hear the motorcycle that started up in the alley you can't hear that probably probably can't I can that's not it that's not a motorcycle that is a squid it's that's what squid sounds like to sperm whales and it's a lovely little noise and you're just chilling it's a nice time to take a deep breath and not worry about everything that you have to worry about just for a moment and then you can move on to having to worry about stuff during the part where we move on from the lovely music that Tuna underwater music that Tuna played for us to some questions from our listeners and I'm mostly gonna do science questions but I'm gonna start from one that's not a science question it comes from Darcy who asks Dear Hank and John I want to so to stream and they are having a mother's day promotion and offering 20% off am I allowed to use the promo code mom20 even though I am not a mother and it is not a gift for a mother arrive Darcy Darcy arrive at Darcy arrive at Darcy arrive at a Rivadarchi that one's been done before is this the same Darcy is that Darcy again or does Darcy just know I think Darcy's a cute name I had a friend who had a child with a twins and one of them was Darcy so I love that I love I hope it's all based on Pride and Prejudice anyway can you use the mom 20 yes yes I don't think that this is a moral statement from me I don't think that I'm making a moral judgment on the world to say that it's fine to use the promo code mom 20 whether or not a mom is involved in the transaction with SodaStream I will say I'm a SodaStream user myself it is the appliance in my house that gets the most used luckily my local grocery store exchanges cartridges which is good because I go through them pretty quick I'm a SodaStream fiend and I'm not allowed you can google this this is how much of a fan of SodaStream I am google google the following on YouTube google it on YouTube SodaStream get busy with the Fizzy which was their 1980s slogan you can watch some like do you remember that we cocktail with Tom Cruise you watch some cocktail action where they're flipping the soda bottles around and wrapping in a suburban home in the 80s about SodaStream and I'm not gonna do the rap I'm not gonna do that but I am I don't know is this too much to ask I'll send it to you tuna I'm gonna download the audio file and I'm gonna send it to you so you don't have to do that all that work so that you can now hear this jingle it's actually from 1993 you're not gonna get the full impression because you're not gonna see their amazing 1993 outfits I believe this was from the UK I don't think they ever ran it adverts in the US anyway here it is you are going to get to listen to the entire 30 seconds of the SodaStream jingle from 1993 I mean it's just me I feel like yeah I have to do a little something extra because you're gonna get very tired of my voice and so instead you got that which is I mean 1993 I was 13 years old it seems like a long time ago but to many people watching it seems unreachably long ago because you're a full adult and that was before you were born so like like a full adult like you're 29 years old it's fine it's fine it happens to us all we move through our this is the natural state of things we move anyway in you are allowed to so the coupon code is not there to say thank you to moms that's not what coupon codes are that's that's not what the purpose the coupon code is serving the coupon code is to get you to buy a soda stream and it is worked because now you're like I will finally buy the SodaStream and maybe you wouldn't you can't say for sure maybe you wouldn't have if you didn't have that coupon code and now you do and so you did it and you save that money and it's good and also SodaStream has you inside its ecosystem and they're gonna be happy to have you there getting refills of your SodaStream containers and maybe even buying their syrups which I'll tell you you probably shouldn't do my favorite thing to put inside of the SodaStream my absolute favorite thing is just a little bit of orange juice just the orange juice concentrate I get the concentrated stuff in the store put a little bit of that in my soda stream and it's just delicious it's refreshing it's natural it's lovely and everybody wins except for you know the methane that was burned to in release carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in order to concentrate the orange juice but if that hadn't happened they would have had to ship more orange juice like it would take more volume and more weight to ship to my grocery store so is the cold chain have a bigger impact when it's all the way frozen or when it's just refrigerated it's hard to know it's very difficult to be a person in this let's just go back underwater let's spend a little bit more time with this nice underwater music that tuna has gotten for us I'm going to imagine now that I am a deep sea octopus like a blanket octopus or a dumbbell octopus and I have a sort of control over not just the movement of I like but the shape of my body and I can make my skin expand uh to scare away predators or to enclose potential food items that all of my limbs aren't just things that I control but they all have their own interconnected nervous systems they can make decisions they can almost on the edge of having thoughts of their own so I'm not just a single organism but a kind of distributed nervous web of sensation and action and thought and all of these different parts of me communicate with each other to create an organism at peace with all of its parts and where it knows exactly how it should be in these moments under the sea in the deep deep sea living a life that that that humans can have no effect on there are still places on this earth where basically no human effect can reach and that that is the place where we imagine ourselves to be in this moment anyway we're gonna go on to another question from our listeners this one comes from lily and ivy who asked dear hank just me we found the corner of a piece of a 20 dollar bill on the ground at school and that led us to the question what percentage of a dollar bill is necessary to spend it money doesn't grow on trees and neither do we lily and ivy though uh both of you are plants lily ivy this is actually well communicated by the uh the the mint not the people who control money in the us if you have any more than 50% of a of a paper bill you can take that to the bank and they will give you in exchange a piece a full piece if you have 49% they will not do that uh though i will get to some exceptions so you give it to them and then they then they give you your money but you cannot take that to the store and spend it they'll be like i don't want to deal with that you you you figure that out that's on you now so the bank will do this for you but there are situations in which you could like have half of like more than half of the bill destroyed where you can still exchange it but you can't do that at a bank so if you like burned half of like more than half of it they'll be like okay well there's not like another half sitting out there somewhere but then couldn't she just like cut it in half and then like burn half and then the other half probably this is why they make you go to like a special like through a special circumstance and like maybe this happens when many hundred dollar bills are somewhat burned and you can sort of go and be like i swear here are the pieces of the ones that i have because otherwise it wouldn't be worth it so i think that that's the situation but there are two weird exceptions that i think are very interesting one if you have a piece of money that has been contaminated there's also a whole procedure that you go through so if you think that your money has like ebola on it the mint has a whole procedure for you to get new money and to destroy the money that you think might be dangerous and covered in human pathogens which of course they all are to some extent unless they're brand new everything's covered in human pathogens this is why our immune systems are so wonderful and then also if you have a coin that has been destroyed this is the weirdest thing to me and it's what it says on their website that's not money anymore you can't take a nickel and be like i've got broken i need you to i need the u.s. meant to give me a new not broken nickel it's like disfigured or cut in half or something they're like no that's just metal now and so they will buy for the cost of the metal not the value of the coin which is exceptionally weird because for pennies and nickels that value is actually more than the cost than like the value of a penny or nickel so you get more money for a destroyed nickel than you would for a normal one now if you destroy a bunch of nickels i think they'll catch on pretty quick and that is illegal so you can do this on purpose but you can apparently if you if your nickel gets accidentally mangled you can go and get seven cents for it from the u.s. meant which is wild to me anyway that's the story 51 percent like any more than 50 percent and you can you can use your dollar but you can't use it you have to go to the bank and get it exchanged.
John this next question comes from kira who asks dear hank and john lately i've been playing a point and click video game called the dark side detective and it has an interesting cursor design it looks much like the standard mouse cursor does except it's perfectly vertical instead of slightly tilted and i hate it i assume this is because i've been conditioned to like the tilted cursor since it's what i normally see but it made me wonder why is the standard cursor tilted who came up with that design in the first place best wishes kira oh this was fascinating to research okay so kira and her actual question asked me uh said which way that the cursor was tilted and i've been exposed to this and so now i know and i was looking at my computer so if you're not looking at a computer right now can you picture the direction the cursor is tilted or not i think probably you can but i don't know for sure if i've just been swayed by the bias so come up with the answer in your head and then i will tell you now it is left tilted so it's it's not straight up and down the point is a little bit to the left the bottom is a little bit to the right that is how a cursor is does that line up with what you think i'm curious to know i'm on twitter at hank green let me know what you think uh so this fascinates me of course like when i'm hovered over text you get that little sort of brackety thing that's straight up and down but everywhere else or a lot of other places there's different cursors for different situations um you have this very slightly tilted to the left cursor and if it was slightly tilted to the right i would absolutely lose it i would be like if somebody hacked into my computer right now and switched it to the side i would be so disoriented like there are there are set neural pathways in my mind that expect this cursor to be a certain way so that i use it a certain way and it makes me feel like the way to use the cursor is from like the bottom right of the screen to the top left of the screen like that's the natural movement and like going the other way is a less natural movement and that makes me think that this is also about a right and left handed thing and so left handed people is the mouse weird for you i feel like it might be a little weird for i'm very curious about this i'm on twitter at hank green please let me know if it's a little weird for you because the way that you move the mouse when you're sort of like because what our hands do well is sort of like this up into the left motion when you're holding on a mouse up into the right whereas up into the left is a little more awkward you don't arc in the same way uh is this a thing am i imagining it is it just because i'm used to it please let me know but in answer to your question yes we do know who this person was which is wonderful so originally it wasn't erud that just pointed up but they didn't want pixels to work with in that early 80s when they were designing the first graphical user interface at Xerox and so they made it kind of big and they also made it tilt a little bit to the left which made it easier to see so i made it easier to sort of tell which thing because like the vertical lines didn't work as well to make it actually look like an arrow and it was bigger than our mouse cursor now to make up for that resolution and we know who did this his name is Douglas Engelbart and we know that because you've heard of the Engelbart tilt this is the Engelbart tilt the tilted side of the cursor everybody's heard of the Engelbart tilt which of course no one has because i just made it up but from now on if we can make that happen that would be grand just everybody out there thinking of themselves uh i need to use the phrase Engelbart tilt as as many times in the rest of amount as possible so that it will catch on and we can honor Douglas Engelbart who is the person who tilted the cursor first to make it easier to see and is the reason that all of our cursors are left tilted yet no idea the impact he would have on our world when he made that little he was like oh let's just do it to the side a little bit and now 40 years later we're all sitting here with our tilty cursors with our tilty mouse cursors still using mice on our computers because it's a fantastic interface congratulations Douglas Engelbart i don't know what you're up to but thank you for your contribution to society which is of course the Engelbart tilt ah he died in 2013 but thank you all for all of your hard work and we honor you and your memory this next question comes from meming and i am doing a lot of sciencey ones yes because i don't know how to do the other ones who asked steer anchor john how do we know that alphas intari is the closest star besides our own soul what if there is a star hidden behind a dark curtain that absorbs all of the light for that dark matter how do we know that there aren't tiny little lurking black holes that aren't big enough to have sufficient gravitational effect on our solar system but are closer than alphas intari not alone but far meming oh that's interesting not alone but far wow i don't know if that makes me think about stuff anyway there's not a dark curtain of stuff well there could be look as i have discussed before there's a number of chickens per light year that could be in space that we wouldn't notice like it's it might be half a chicken it might be like a like a tenth of a chicken it might be twin twenty tickets i don't know what it is but there's an amount of chickens per light year that we wouldn't notice a light year is a very big space so look if you want to hypothesize that there could just be like a really opaque wall that somebody put in space to intentionally hide a star okay sure like you could imagine for example a dysent sphere which is just a sphere of material built around a star to capture all that star's energy we would not be able to see a dysent sphere like it would not be warm enough for us to detect it in the sky probably though it would probably get pretty hot so maybe if it was closer than office and tarr maybe we could detect a dysent sphere certainly farther than office and tarr there's a definitely a distance which we couldn't detect it unless we're like pointing the gymsum space telescope directly at it which is very good at detecting infrared light which is what comes off of warm things but uh alpha centaurs not that far away um and so the bubble the sort of space bubble around us in between office and tarr in us is small enough that we have catalogued it fairly like well like we've looked at all the parts of the sky with instruments that are sensitive enough to be able to detect uh brown dwarfs or um like anything that has fusion going on inside it and would be warm enough that it would be casting off enough um infrared light that we'd be able to detect it um there are a lot of stars like it's important to remember that there are a lot of stars that are not nearly as bright as uh our kind of star that the kind that our sun is and they are a lot harder to detect and that's why you know i used to think why do people always say like we don't know how many stars like the range that they give of the number of stars in the galaxies really wide and i'm like just count just count right but it turns out um and we're getting our estimates are getting better but it turns out that they're it's impossible to count because there are a lot of really dim stars there's also a lot of big clouds of gas there's a lot of stars that include stars like like we're looking lengthways through the galaxy so there's when you know we see those pictures of the Milky Way there's a lot of stars in there that are just sort of like from in the resolution that we can currently get including each other and that makes it very difficult now you can take stellar densities of certain areas of the sky and sort of add all of those up and uh you can make guesses but it turns out the populations of different kinds of stars are different in different areas of the solar system so there's different kinds of stars made of different stuff different brightnesses in different areas so you can't really uh do a perfect estimate and that's why the ranges are still really big but close in we have a really good idea of what's going on and we can also sort of tell my other important part of your question is that we can tell how far away alpha centaurea is we can tell that it's fairly close because uh this is how they do this you know you look up at the star and the sky and you're like there's no way you can tell how far away that is is can you just like look by how bright it is because that's not going to work uh there's lots of really bright they're just bigger uh the farther away but bigger and they're brighter so what you do is um you so at one point in our orbit around the sun uh and then the opposite point in our orbit around the sun we are really far away from that point to the other point and because of that you can actually use those two positions that the earth is in to basically have binocular vision so two eyes can judge depth by you know sort of like you have to have two eyes to have the depth perception and uh and so you can do that and basically have two different eyes at two different times but you can wind them up and be like ah I see that there's like a shift of how the stars all line up with each other when we're at these two different points in our orbit around the sun and we can use that to calculate how far away stars are which is just awesome it is so good and then once you have that you can start to use other kinds of systems because of course there's certain stars that you can't use that system for and they're also uh start there too distant to use that system for so uh once you have that sort of starting piece of data you can use all kinds of other little tricks to infer the distance away that stars are which is wonderful i'm glad that astronomers are always working on that all right tuna can you play me another kind of music i'm not gonna do uh just a little break here before the the middle point of the episode i'd like to hear maybe some polka do you know some polka just like 15 seconds of polka that'd be great all right this next question comes from Emily who asks dear Hank and John if a smell is made up of particles created by the thing making a smell could one hypothetically gather enough of those particles to create a solid smell would the solid smell be a copy of the thing or would it be an entirely new thing made up of pure smell smelling but not smelly Emily i mean so there's a couple of different worries i have about this idea first is the smell a smell if it is uh not in the air so if you like take a pure smell and you put it into a bottle so say okay we have an orange the smell coming off of the orange is all kinds of aromatic compounds these are molecules that are volatile and so they go from a liquid state to a gaseous state and then they enter our noses and bind with our noses and our noses and our brains interpret that as a smell this is how it works it's pretty amazing so you got that molecule whatever it is i don't know what it is orange all so you got orange all and then you can take orange all out of the atmosphere uh out of the gaseous state and then liquefy re liquefy it so that is now uh not gassing or is that orange all in a bottle you got like you know you got to put a cap on it so it doesn't evaporate is that liquid or solid i don't know what it is is that smell if it is not in the atmosphere i don't think it is i think that's not smelling well that's not pure smell that's a that's a compound it's only smell once it evaporates now second important thing to note Emily is that not all of the orange we're not smelling all of the orange we are smelling individual small components of the orange that are volatile compounds that are designed to be smelly so that animals could find them because the whole point of the fruit was to get the seeds into the animals so that the animal would distribute them farther away from the orange tree or whatever other tree it was so you eat the seed you poop the seed out that's how an orange tree gets to like grow way far away from another orange tree that that is its sire its parent so uh so the orange has to have a smell to attract the things that that it wants to come eat it so that is just one component like you're not smelling all of the all of the orange you're not even smelling the sugary part for example that part doesn't sugar doesn't have a smell you know this unless you like do stuff to it to make it sort of molasses so like pure sugar glucose on its own doesn't have a smell and then you uh you know the lot of the cellulose and the rind and and the the little juice pockets like that of stuff so you couldn't like create an orange out of orange smell because the only part of the orange that is orange smell is the smelly part of the orange which is is particular volatile organic compounds like orange is I mean it wouldn't be surprised if it's called orange all it's not it is called lemonyne though it's not there's a thing called lemonyne it is a colorless liquid anaphatic hydrocarbon classified as a cyclic monotyrpene it's the major component of citrus fruit peels the major component of oil of the oil and citrus fruit peels so lemonyne and a bunch of other stuff and all of them uh I together make the different good citrus smells I don't know a lot about how citrus happened or where citrus came from so I assume that they are all closely related and they've been domesticated and that their wild ancestor doesn't look that much like them but god bless them love and orange so many good oranges out there big fan like to put it in my soda stream water which reminds me that this podcast is brought to you by lemonyne lemonyne it's one of those monotyrpenes that just makes your life a little bit 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This is Bradsy by Lulu who asks Dear Hank and John, when I first adopted my dog four and a half years ago, she looked into my full length mirror, jumped back in surprise and growled loudly at the other dog she saw there. However, this only happened once and nowadays even when I pick her up and look at the mirror with her and ask who's that she has no reaction. Does this mean that she understands that there's nothing there? Has she come to the realization that it is her own reflection?
Has she accepted that there is just a weird mommy doggy clone set that only occasionally appears in our house? Mirrors and marvelling Lulu. You know, Lulu, I of course don't have an answer to this question. The minds of your dog is at least at the moment unknowable.
I you know that there's a there's like a hat that guys wear sometimes and it says women want me fish, fear me on Twitter just the other day I saw a half version of the hat that said women want me the minds of fish are unknowable and I was just so pleased one of that very badly except that I cannot wear a hat that says women want me even if the next line is the minds of fish are unknowable. I cannot blow off a hat that says women want me but if you think you can pull that hat off more power to you congratulations. So the minds of fish are unknowable the mind of your dog is less unknowable like you know things about what your dog thinks and the more we explore the sort of cognitive capacity of non-human animals the more surprised we are to find that they aren't that different from us after all. Now we don't think that dogs pass what we call the mirror test where they can look at a mirror and recognize that the thing in the mirror is them which is one way of testing not the only way some people portray it as the only way but not the only way of testing but one way of testing the idea of like self-awareness self-consciousness I know that I exist.
I here's what I'll say and this is not a scientific statement but one thing I have noticed through my 40 years of life is that we often come up with things that are unique to people and we say this is what makes us different it's tool usage opposable thumbs it's like awareness of self and then over a period of time where like actually a lot of things use tools actually a lot of things are aware that they exist in past the mirror test actually a lot of things have opposable thumbs like there isn't a thing that makes us super ultimately unique and I think that like obviously there is a capability that we have that sort of like launched a different way of being and I think that that capability is pretty clearly at this point not the ability to but the scale at which we communicate information so dogs communicate information to each other all the time they do that with body language and facial expressions and noises and pheromones and and sense but we communicate information extraordinarily like in a very high bandwidth way that is the thing and so this is not a matter of like a thing that we have it is the scale at which we have it and the you know the biggest sort of advancement that we had in that that field though not certainly not the the last one is what we're doing right now where I'm talking and you're listening and you're understanding the words that are hitting your ears that all these weird noises that I'm making that my mouth is working really hard to construct in a sort of ballet that just sort of neurologically is one of the most complex things that we do that is our that was like our great leap forward and so talking is a big deal and words in symbolic symbolic language are a big deal and like but I think that all these things like all communication of information self-awareness being able to notice yourself in the mirror nonhuman animals definitely do all these things I would not put it past dogs to actually know that that is them in the mirror but just to not think that it matters much in a way that would allow them to pass the mirror test so like you put it like a blue spot on the dog's face and then they're like oh there's a blue spot on my face and they turn to look at it like the way an elephant would maybe a dog is like oh yeah I don't care that's not a big deal to me I'm moving on I got other things to do I don't need to be looking at myself that's not that's not of interest I don't have it's not that I'm not self-aware it's that I'm not self-conscious like I don't care it's not a big deal I can look however I want I sometimes eat poop like I'm a dog I don't need to worry about a blue spot on my face but this is all I don't freaking know I don't know what the situation is but what I do feel strongly in my heart is that animals are a lot more complex than we often give them credit for we like to think that we are super special but it is not it generally tends to be that this is not a matter of one a thing that we have that other animals don't but just the degree to which we have those things so maybe dogs are self-aware they're just a little bit less self-aware than the average human and there are lots of humans I've met them some of them are out there making weird decisions that impact me and the rest of the world right now that I don't think are particularly self-aware at least in some ways they're not aware of the sort of like dogs might be looking at some people and saying hey I think you may be own enough complicated companies you don't have to have another one but self-awareness it's we only have access to it sometimes all right this question is surprisingly related to that last one it comes to us from Felicia who asks steer hank and john we all know that animals pee on stuff to claim it as theirs recently a badger has been hanging out right next to my house and it got me thinking if I pee on my house well the badger realized that it is my territory and leave it alone I would very much like to get rid of the badger and this seems like it could be an easy solution would it work like the day Felicia Felicia first of all maybe we could trade because I want a badger friend I I don't I'm not a meta badger and I know that we have them here in Montana I've never come across one I get the feeling maybe Felicia you are not from America because it seems like in the United Kingdom like the European or in Europe there the so we have there's North American Badgers that's what we have here there's also European Badgers they are related they are not identical and they're they're cute but I think the European ones maybe are a little bit cuter but look we don't need to pass judgment it's not here or there I get the impression that an American badger is like I would rather not be anywhere near you whereas and correct me if I'm wrong it seems like in Europe in the UK you have Badgers like raccoons where there's like out and about like getting in your business by going through the trash I I've never seen a badger we have lots of them here I've never seen a badger and I've been outside a lot I've seen a lot of you know moose I've seen grizzly bears I've seen black bears I've seen like I've seen links I've seen bobcats I've seen a lot of animals never seen a badger they're just they did apparently they're around but I've never seen them so I get the impression this is just a guess this is a different kind of badger experience because like they're weird enough for me that I'm like please bring up a badger around I want to see one now so if a trade is out of the question because there's a big ocean between us then I I'm pretty sure that I have to break the news to you that peeing on your house isn't gonna help I don't know for sure because I don't know that anybody's tested this specifically on Badgers but I do know one thing deer are a lot more timid in my imaginings than badger and have a lot more reason to fear humans at least you know from my experience of what happens to deer by humans in Montana and deer are not afraid of human peace smell which I think if I was a deer I would be I'd be like oh who's got gotta get away from that doesn't seem good I've seen what they do I've heard about what happens when people are around they carry those sticks they make loud noises and you just fall over dead I think I would be afraid of human peace smell but if it's not scaring a deer away I can't imagine it's gonna scare a badger away and I thought that it might scare a deer away because I saw in a movie once a person who peed on like hunting sites to try and because they were like I like didn't want hunting to happen a pro deer person and and that didn't that didn't that worked in the movie but it turns out it doesn't work in real life so now you know that at least and I also learned that today but I feel like it's not gonna work on a deer's probably not gonna work on a badger I don't know how to get a badger to leave you alone it's definitely not a thing that I'm an expert in because in America in my experience anyway badger leave you alone way more than you'd like them to like I like like maybe just like 20 feet away in a nice way where I can like see a badger being cute and like I feel like kids with it like babies that would be great I would I would absolutely sign up for that experience all right before we had an important news for Mars and AC Wimbledon I would have to play a little bit more music for you this is gonna be um just some heavy metal here's some heavy metal this weekend Mars news the Perseverance Rover has given us the best image so far the solar eclipse on Mars on April 2nd one of Mars's moons Phobos traveled across the Sun casting its shadow on to the Martian surface the eclipse lasts about 40 seconds quite quick Phobos is trucking across the sky we know that the that Mars has eclipses for a long time we've been watching them since 2004 when speared an opportunity rivers took the first images of one and since then other rivers like the Curiosity have taken pictures too but Perseverance has the mass camsy camera it's the first to take color pictures of the eclipse and it has a solar filter that allowed more detail of the moon's shadow to show more clearly because it's not it doesn't do like a full like on earth the moon can cover the entire Sun Phobos isn't big enough to do that it's not or not close enough one of the other one of those things so all that means that this is the clearest footage we've ever had of solar eclipse which is probably why you saw it on twitter if you were paying attention if you were on twitter that day because it was all over the place that we saw over my feed i guess i do follow some specific people who are maybe more likely to post about Mars news because of who i am and what i like and the news from AFC Wimbledon it's look i'm not gonna call anything yet because i don't know exactly how all this works AFC Wimbledon is currently three points into the relegation zone like they can't get out without getting three points i think that that is impossible but i don't know for sure because that's who i am i'm not i'm not that guy they had a game on Saturday that they tied they did get a goal they tied their game the game before that they also got a goal and tied that game they lost the game before that they have one more game to play against Akron can Stanley at crington Stanley and so that's happening next Saturday at 5 30 in the morning in mountain time so i don't know that i'm gonna catch that one but i think that if they won that game they still could not make it out of the relegation zone so i do feel somewhat bad then i'm the one breaking this news to you maybe it's a little bit easier on jaunt than i'd have to deliver this particular bit of news the team at AFC Wimbledon the fans the the spirit is alive these people care more about their club than than anyone possibly could about any other club they care a great deal they will make they will persevere but it may be that this is the first time AFC Wimbledon is going to drop down a league in in it since it has been reformed and it has been a tremendous story so as as you may have heard and expected the the miracle that we were hoping for well sometimes miracles don't happen in fact usually and it looks like AFC Wimbledon is going to be at the if i understand things correctly which i may not be they are they may be headed next year into the other league which i can't remember the name of i apologize but AFC Wimbledon will rise again they will play great games their new stadium kicks but they will have cool new people on their team and jon will not stop caring about them i will not stop caring about them you will not stop caring about them we will continue to love our beloved wombles possibly thank you for listening to this podcast it was surprisingly quite fun actually i hope that you liked it i have no idea if you did but i will say jon and i will be back for a normal deer hankin jon next week we've talked about it we've planned it you know he feels a little bit bad which is ridiculous he shouldn't he's doing really cool great stuff and i'm very excited for him and i also i also feel bad because i was gone for a long time though i will stay i got a lot done and i'm very happy to have had a little bit of that time free and also on a lovely vacation so thank you jon for filling in for me while i was out this podcast is edited by joseph tunan mettish who we have really been putting through the ringer with these episodes so thank you to know for uh for the extra effort being put in it's produced by rosion a house rojas our communication coordinator is julia bloom our editorial assistant is the future of our party who also helped me a lot with this particular episode the music you're hearing now it begins a podcast by the great anorola and as they say in our hometown don't forget to be awesome