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It's a podcast where I forget to push record on the button but at least I only did it for about three minutes. Three critical minutes. Y'all missed some gold because Hank failed to hit record. We're gonna give you some dubious advice, bring you all the weeks news from both Mars and A.F.C.
Wimbledon, John once upon a time. Yes. There was a guy sitting next to his wife in church and he said, I just did a silent fart. What should I do?
And she said, put some new batteries in your hearing aid. It was so funny the first time but the second time I found it less funny. So we just recorded part of the podcast and Hank didn't record it. And that's okay.
I'm not mad. What do you call a caveman's fart? What I liked about the joke, by the way, is that it was a joke. It was a joke with a punchline and the punchline wasn't just a rhyme of another word.
That's what I like. So is this joke a joke or is it a pun? It's a blast from a past. It was really about sneezing as a normal.
I never sneezed. I think every single time I sneeze, I think every time about the doctor, doctor, never sneezer, screw it. Yeah. And it's astonishing the power he has over me.
This person I've never met and never will need. What if it wasn't real? Because it seems unreal. It doesn't seem unreal to me.
I bet there's a doctor out there who's an allergist who's checking to see if you're recording. Yeah, go on now. My levels look good. Listen y'all, you need to know two things.
The first is that Hank and I are in real life together. And the second is that we are going to try and experimentle one time only format for this podcast in which Hank puts away his laptop, which is the hardest thing for him to do in the world. Hold on. I'm going to check.
He's on Google. I thought I was going to catch you on Twitter or TikTok. It's certainly not impossible. Let me know when you're done Googling.
And I will if you're Googling a dad, you'll find the way I'm going to. No, I'm trying. I was thinking I could do that wired interview thing where I asked you questions from from Google if you type in John Green. Oh, I hate that.
And it says like, John Green is John Green. Is John Green a Christian? Is John Green dead? Is John Green gay?
I know all the questions. Related to Hank Green is number two. Well, what's number one? Christian.
Yes. Married religious. Yes. Yes.
From Crash Course the Author. Yes. Alive. Yes.
Still alive. Yes. A Democrat. Yes.
The Crash Course Guy. Yes. I mean, they only ask things they already sort of know that they're trying to confirm. Writing a new book?
Yes. Yes. I mean, hopefully. Yeah.
Okay. What we're going to do is Hank's going to put away his laptop. Okay. Oh, God.
It feels so good to be in a room with Hank when he's not looking at a screen. I just don't. I wanted to know things about you. Which of those things were you surprised to learn?
The Crash Course Guy? You know, the Crash Course Guy? The guy who wrote the Fault in our Stars and the Crash Course Guy, the St. John Green?
Same guy. It's wild. It's also weird for me. You know?
Like, I love your work. And I'm like, I have no idea what that means. I don't even, I have no idea what I'm doing on this planet. I think that might be that's pretty typical.
I know. I think that might be the key to our success so far is that we're the only advice podcasters who know nothing about being alive. Other advice podcasters, they think they know something. They're experts, but they're wrong.
Well, they may be wrong or right. I don't know because I don't know anything about being alive. Being in the room with you is giving me a lot of respect for Tuna who has to make us sound at the same level of loud where while I scream the whole time. Yeah, I just talk to a normal thing.
I need to bring it down, especially in this circumstance, where he can't adjust that. We're doing fine. Well, I've been pretty loud. I'm going to try and be a normal man now.
You still sound a little performative. Yeah, I can always... Right, that's true. We don't want to sound totally like ourselves.
People will get bored. What we're going to do today is we're not going to answer any listener questions. We're going to try something else. We're going to try to have a conversation.
I'm nervous. Like we would usually have. Sometimes. And we'll start with a prompt.
John isn't charged because I was going to do the thing when I asked you Google questions, but you made me put my computer away and I'm lost without a connection to the internet. No, you're not. We've had a bunch of conversations over the last week where you didn't have a screen. It last an hour.
They totally did. Wow. And they were great. They're so much better than screen conversations.
Like the conversation you have with somebody when you're both kind of on TikTok, it's just not a very good high quality. No, definitely not. And so I'm asking you to have a high quality conversation with me about the deep prompt. Not like a small talkie is John Green, an author, but a deep prompt.
And do you have one in mind? I do. Okay. Are you ready?
Huh? Do you think that a hot dog... He's starting to smile, you guys. Is this a sandwich?
You didn't have one in mind. Do you think I'll hot dog is a sandwich? Do you think that a hot dog is a taco? You know, John, I hate those questions.
So in my phone, I have a list of ideas for videos. Do you want to do one of those? Yeah, let's do one of those. Okay.
I just want to have a normal conversation. That's okay. That's my goal. I think people, you know what I want to talk about first?
Yeah. I want to talk about why you don't want to own a percent of ASC. Well, I've told you this because I will be more sad when they lose and I'm already quite sad when they lose. Yeah.
I don't like that I'm sad when a thing that I can't control happens, especially when it happens quite a lot. Did you know that when I was in high school, I stole a lemur from a zoo. Oh my God. I know the bit.
So that's what I want to talk about. People ask me about the bit every day. I'm interested in talking about the time that I stole a lemur from a zoo when I was in high school. Yeah.
So, yeah. Can we talk about how it happened? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. We want to start there. One fine morning in summer. Someone posted a TikTok that said, we should start a rumor that Hank Green stole a lemur from a zoo when he was in high school.
And lots of people watched the TikTok and they thought, this is funny. Yeah. But the problem with these jokes is that there is no way out of them when you are the butt of the joke. There is no way to survive the joke.
But before we move up to there, we have to tell the whole story of what happened. Okay. So then he made the video was like Hank Green, we should make a rumor about Hank Green's feeling the lemur. Yeah.
It's a harmless rumor. Like, right. The rumors that could have been started. Yes.
The rumors that could have been started out, you're pretty harmless. Also, I have to say, having known you in high school, it's not out of the realm of possibility. Yeah. I would have, I think you might have called it liberating a lemur rather than stealing something like that.
Yeah. But I could see you trying to free a lemur from its Floridian prison. Maybe. Not really.
I can't actually. No. But I can see people's thinking what they know of me thinking that that is a thing that could happen. Yes.
On the edge of the kitchen. He seems to like attention. Right. He seems to be interface with the world of science communication.
The crap brothers had a lemur. Right. So maybe they knew each other. In 1990.
Maybe Hank Green stole the crap brothers. Yeah. I'm sorry. I forgot the name of the lemur.
So I didn't steal Zabu. But then so after he did that, he made another video where he created, and this is the reason actually he can rumor. He created a fake Orlando Sentinel news article that a picture of me from high school. Right.
And then it had like a story about like high school boys steals lemur. Right. And like, I looked at that and I was like, well, I didn't, I didn't, I know that I didn't steal a lemur in high school. But like, I could get how you would see that picture.
The first time I saw that TikTok. Yeah. I, I, my initial response. And I think this says a lot about like the state of misinformation and fact-checking and everything.
My initial response was, oh my God. I, I, how about not, I feel like I know every time the Orlando Sentinel mentioned Hank. And I also feel like this wouldn't have gone unnoticed in our family. It wouldn't be a thing that we still talk about.
Yeah. But it was compelling enough that even as your brother, I was like, for, for, for a nanosecond, I had to do some lateral reading. And so I went over to, you know, like a, to do lateral read. I lateral, I always, I didn't need a lateral read.
But it was my actual life. Exactly. So I went over to Google and I was like, did Hank Green steal a lemur? Yeah.
And I searched, I actually searched the O'Gillandosetnels archives for Hank Green Lemur. And nothing came up when I was like, I think it's fake. And that also makes sense. While I wasn't boarding school, I feel like the news might have trickled in.
Yeah. Yeah. So it makes a little bit of sense that you wouldn't know because we didn't live together. Right.
So, so then that, that post went much more viral than the original post where he said, let's make a room about, of course. But if you went to his profile and swipe one video, you'd see the video where he admits that you were you. No, you didn't have to do that much lateral reading, but you had to do a little bit. Yeah.
But so like there was a combination of TikToks algorithm doing its thing and people being on board with the joke, sharing the information. Yeah. But it did end up with people legitimately thinking and maybe even some people now who did believe in that I stole a lemur. Right.
And I think that that's very interesting. And I think that it's, I mean, I'm grateful that it's stealing a lemur, which is something that I wouldn't be super ashamed of having done when I was 18. Right. Like certainly not something that I would like.
All of 18 year olds should steal lemurs. Right. But there is this phenomenon where, but there's no way out. There's no way out.
Like where some moderately famous or very famous person gets attached to a copy pasta or gets attached to a rumor or gets or actually does something that they shouldn't have done. And it becomes this sort of like a defining feature of their life, even though, you know, like we should see it in a broader context. Yeah. But the lemur thing, and especially is interesting to me, because there is something about it that captures the core of misinformation on the internet, which is that it has to be sticky.
It has to be on the edge of believability. It has to be a little ludicrous. And it has to be vaguely conspiratorial. Right.
Right. Right. It has to be this has to be all this time. Yeah, of course.
It has to be spicy. Like I just deleted a TikTok, which by the way, I really recommend. But one of the most liked comments on the TikTok, the TikTok was a band this thing that happened in Athens 24 hundred years ago. But don't worry, that doesn't stop people from applying it to today.
And the most like one of the most liked comments on this video was how can you say that anything has changed in terms of the militarization of nation states and empires when the United States spends the same percentage of its GDP was it was a condensed version of this spends the same percentage of its GDP on the military as France did in the 18th century. And I was like, that is shocking. Like that is not a shame to me. That was a big problem.
That's all they did. That's the entire thing that the government spent money on. And I was like, wow, like that's really surprising to me because like an emergent list era, which Europe was in at that time, like it was thought that the only way you could get richer was basically by plunder. And the only way for your state to become wealthy was to impoverished other states.
And so I was like, wow, that's really shocking to me. And I am they're right that my premise is totally wrong. If they're right. Yeah, well, which I assumed they were because of the level of confidence, you know?
And like the fact that it was stated as such a fact. So I looked at a hump and actually the US spends 3% of its GDP on the military and 18th century France spent about 55% of its GDP on the military. So it's it's it's it's wrong. That's the reason it's that.
55% does seem like a problem. That seems like too much. It was too much. By the way, 3.3% is also too much.
But but 55% was definitely definitely too much. It'd be tricky to spend 55% of our GDP on the military. Well, you gotta remember that healthcare spending was very low. Yeah.
So was all of the other other specific public education spending for a little bit of food. Yeah, not a lot of that going on. Just very little food in general. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That's a great point. Causing problems.
55% military 45% really bad bread. Yeah. Bread with wood in it. It was so much.
There was so much sawdust in 18th century European bread. This this world that should have been stupidly rich from all of the places it had plundered still had this like massive shocking levels of wealth inequality. Yeah. Not shocking actually.
They didn't do it to make the peasants lives better. Right. But the point is that that you ceiling a lemur and France in the 18th century spending 3% of its GDP on the military have something in common. Right.
Which is that they are very compelling fictions. They would sort of vaguely affirm and at the same time problematize something that I believe but in an extremely simple way. But also way surprising. Way.
Right. It's like a but surprising enough in character enough affirms something else. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. There's there's just misinformation researchers talk a ton about the the the the tropes that we have set up in our minds and how different things can be both shocking but also unsurprising. Right.
Which is like a it's a wide thing. But that's how right. All of all of these things work so well is when they really truly shock you. But then also somehow you're not surprised at all.
And the really unfortunate thing right is that deep down we all look for that stuff. Right. Like when I'm on Twitter I want that I want that moment where I'm like oh my god. That's amazing incredible.
Horrifying terrible outrageous stunning but also confirms my priors. Exactly. But also allows me to say I've been trying to tell you. And then when it turns out to not be true you're like well but it might as well be.
Right. That's and I've said had people say that to me while sitting in the room with me. I've thought it. And so I absolutely understand people responding that way.
Yeah. When it turns out that you know this nefarious conspiracy theory doesn't hold up to screw me. But they would have if they could or it would have been in character or he might as well have done that. Yeah.
Or this other thing that did happen is quite similar. Right. To me. And it's not exactly the same.
That's right. Right. But it's quite similar. It's not as bad.
But it's very similar. Yeah. I can't think maybe didn't steal lemur in high school but he was pretty goth. I mean only when romance necessitated such.
The thing is I was actually much more goth than I can high school. It's just that there's no pictures of it on the internet because I don't think that you like indulgent the aesthetic as much as I did. I wore a ton of eye makeup. I didn't take a ton of pictures of myself in I wore a lot of eye makeup on my lips because that was the only option to get the black lipstick.
I wore a black lipstick sometimes. It was given to me by Barbara. Yeah. You probably didn't go to school with Barbara because it doesn't sound familiar.
Sounds like an old adult. No. No. She was a kid.
She was a kid. She was a kid. She was cool. I mean real goth.
They were all cool. Oh she was so cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I really really wanted to date her. Honestly my goth phase is less embarrassing than my rush phase which was also because of the girl she I found out she was into rush and I learned so many rush songs by heart and that's forever. I put that to myself for rep like that was just a picture on the internet.
Right. Right. Roll the bones. I was in my head now.
I could do the bad rap for you. There's so many. I won't. I don't even know is rush a band.
Yes. Great. I don't know anything about that. They were great but they made some mistakes.
Sure. Like the rest of us. I think this is a productive line of conversation to transition away from misinformation on the internet which we're opposed to and have absolutely no tools to solve except on an individual level. Like I do not have a social solution.
The individual solution is lateral reading and quickly confirming that Hank Green did not steal a lemur and responding to like the growth of the rumor by saying I'm not sure that this is the most productive use of our shared consciousness. Yeah. I mean at the same time like there's so much more to be more worried about that I almost I almost encourage people to not care that much about trying to confirm something until it's really in you and making you feel a lot of feelings that might like that's if it's starting to change I'm so good at fact checking things that definitely seem wrong to me. Right.
I'm great at that. Right. But I'm bad at fact checking stuff that seems right to me. Everyone is.
Right. Because I'm glad you. Yeah. In order to make it relatable.
Yeah. I'll do that. Yeah. Why would you stop to fact check something that totally makes sense to you?
Yeah. The moment you fact check the moment you're like, oh that's the same right. But the things that means that all the things that do seem right that are incorrect flow through you as facts. Yeah.
And I've even fact checked some of those things like out loud and gotten a lot of criticism for it. Oh yeah. And I'm like, well we want to think that I think the true thing here. Right.
I recently saw a tweet that said that Bitcoin consumed or produced more carbon dioxide than all natural gas electricity generation. And I was like, well that's definitely wrong. Yeah. Like I'm not a Bitcoin fan.
But I do know enough about how like carbon is produced. Right. And also how Bitcoin produces carbon which is by consuming electricity. Right.
I know that's not that doesn't make any sense. Right. And indeed it was not a true fact. But it had gotten a lot of and so like in my response where I fact check it.
Yeah. I had to be so like overtly anti crypto. Right. Yeah.
I also just want to know is I hate crypto. But if you get in a conversation and you see the bitcoins worse for the environment than all natural gas production. Yeah. Yeah.
Combined. Yeah. You're gonna look like a dope. Yeah.
No one's ever gonna take me seriously. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be good for us.
Yeah. I don't agree with Henry Kissinger. And also we spend less of our GDP on the military than it is that we fancy. Like I'm not in favor of military spending but don't be wrong.
Don't put me in a situation where I've got to be like Henry Kissinger side. I don't want to be there. That's not fun for me. Yeah.
But yeah. It is that is. I don't know what societal way to handle but I only know individual ways to handle it. And I don't even know great individual ways to handle it.
It's hard for me to do. And it's like a muscle I try to flex all the time. Let's transition to our most embarrassing high school phases. Because it couldn't have been rush.
No. No. I think that my most embarrassing high school moment was when I ran out of gas in the Volvo. Yes.
And I had all the makeup on. Yeah. And mom had to come get us. Yeah.
And she was mad and then she saw me despite the fact that I tried to like eat all of the lipstick off my lips. Oh yeah. And well that's why it's not embarrassing. No, you're just wearing makeup.
It was very embarrassing. I'm sure maybe it was at the time but like current you shouldn't be embarrassed to fail. No. You're right.
Well, like and I've heard other times that were way more embarrassing because I was a grown up. Oh, I ran out of gas maybe three or four years ago. I called Sarah from the side of the road and I was like something's wrong with the car. Right.
And Sarah's like what do you mean? And I was like well for a while I was kind of like just making a weird noise. Right. Like I was like this sort of intermittently.
And then it just up working completely. So I guess I got to call AAA and she was like is there gas in the car? And I was like how do I know? It's off.
It's off. Maybe there was maybe there was. We'll never know now. Yeah, I ran out of gas in the tour van while we were on tour with Perfect Strangers.
Like at an interchange. Yeah. Yeah, that's brutal. Yeah, that's brutal.
It wasn't a shoulder. It was stops in a lame. No cursing. No cursing.
So bad that that was way more embarrassing. To me today. Yeah. Anything that I was I was a kid.
I'm not talking about what you found mortifying in high school. I'm talking about when you look back at high school and college you what is mortifying now? I think that I I bet your answer is that I have no modifications because I'm I'm very pleased with myself. I've done great the whole time.
Well, I'm quite forgiving to that person. Yeah, I think that's good. I didn't have a ton of experience. Right.
But yeah, I think that I I thought a lot of really simple things about what I should do with my life that I'm that that me now is like, I had a lot of very straightforward, easy solutions for very complex problems. Yeah. Yeah. And you were you were I wrote the speeches I would give when I was president.
Oh, wow. That's I mean, that's that's about as cringe that we're going to get here today. That's not as bad as the thing that we can't talk about, but it's close to as bad as the thing we can't talk about. You brought up you brought up embarrassing high school and college stuff and get I can't talk about the most embarrassing thing because you won't let me it it must it must stay secret forever.
There are some things you know what there's like two levels to it to like the level where you don't have to get the more we get into it, the more it seems like we're like teasing something that we will reveal in the future and I want to be absolutely clear about something. We will not reveal this in the future. And I mean, we because it also reflects poorly on me. And I know that you don't worry about like I know it doesn't it does in the sense that now I'm your closest collaborator professionally.
Oh, Kathy. And I don't want to be in a situation where somebody asks me the equivalent of didn't green ever steal a lever in high school, except it's true. And I have to talk about it. I don't want to do that.
I don't want to be in that. I just want to go there. My cringiest. I mean, I did definitely have that.
Like I thought we should go back to being 100 daffers, right? Like I read like a lot of like Kurt Vonnegut and I was like, foraging was the right path for humans and agriculture was a massive mistake. And we should go back. And now these days, I'm aware of the fact that that's a pretty bold statement for me to make as somebody who would have definitely died before the age of five.
So who am I to say that I would have enjoyed that life better when I wouldn't have enjoyed it at all? Yeah. Alternatively, watching all of your children by the majority of your children die before they hit five. Yeah.
So those are the two choices. Either you don't make it right to having children or you watch the majority of your children die. Yes. But in the case of my particular incredibly strong genetics, right?
You don't think you're probably going to make it. No, I mean, frankly, our whole bloodline would never have made it anywhere near me. Yeah, they're not being able to see us a problem. Yeah.
There's a lot of other stuff as well. Yeah. But the thing that I find cringiest when I look back, I guess like more like late high school early college is like the way I hated stuff more than the way I liked stuff. Like I don't look back and say like, Oh my God, I love Rush so much.
It was embarrassing. I look back and I say, Oh my God, I hated something that was fine or that was like not fine, but not right. I didn't need to define myself in opposition to it. I didn't need to be like, you know what sucks sweet Valley High.
Right. Yeah. There was there was a and I continued to hear this, but there is a thing that people said when I was in high school, it was like what kind of music do you like? Yeah.
People would say everything but rap and country, right? Which to me is the worst. It's a bad answer. That's a bad answer.
Like it says way more about you than you think it does. And it says way more about you than it says about ramp or country, which are both extremely diverse musical genres. Like you can't hating to me saying you don't like rap and I know that I'm a little biased on this topic. By the way, you know how this is coming back around, but I just want to tell you this brief anecdote.
So I like 10 years ago had a YouTube account that where I had all my music because I am the last user of YouTube music. It comes free with YouTube premium. It's Spotify, but not as not quite as good, but it is free. Not quite as good.
Well, I don't know how good Spotify is because I've never had it. Okay. And I will thank you not to judge me. I'm not listening to music on Compatisk.
I'm just using YouTube music. So I had this YouTube music account and at some point somehow the accounts merged with Crash Course. So now all my music is in unlisted playlists at youtube.com slash Crash Course. Yeah.
And a couple weeks ago, somebody it's like weird music. John likes weird music. I like really good music, but it's definitely not the music you would think that I would like. Like based on, let's say this, if all of my playlists leaked, there would be a level of like, I can't believe that a green skull will be verb from a suit.
Right? Like I listen to music that's different from the music that like, yeah, I actually saw that because it turned out my Spotify playlists were public. Right. And there was a little moment of people being like, why does Hank Green have this on his playlist?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, that's that's super private for me.
I know people like their Spotify influencers or whatever, but for me, it's very private. Anyway, I somehow made the public a Crash Course. And somebody somebody like on the Crash Course subreddit was like, hey, is anybody else noticed? Anybody else noticed?
That like Crash Course listens to like a pretty shocking amount of like black thought and snow the product and like Polish hip hop music for the 1990s. And this is this is pretty weird stuff. Like, are they doing a Crash Course on like, European hip hop, the global, the global hip hop scene in 1997? What's going on here?
So yeah, but anyway, I look, it's true for music, but for me, it was mostly true for books, right? Because when I was a teenager, like I defined myself so much as like a literary person, even though I failed English. So I wasn't like, but that was also part of my identity, which I look back and find extremely cringy. And I defined myself as like somebody who didn't live up to their potential as the smartest D student you're ever going to meet kind of thing.
And this was like, that's what made me cool in my mind. But of course, it didn't. And it was destructive. And it could have been catastrophic if I hadn't had incredibly supportive teachers.
But like the books that I hated, many of them were pretty good, like Gatsby, my hated Gatsby. I wrote this like paper in high school that was all about how Gatsby is irrelevant because it's about the problems of rich people, which is just fundamentally so deeply profoundly intensely wrong. You know, it's like, it's like you, it's like, it's like when you go into a book and you've sort of already decided. Yeah.
Well, that's that's what I, you got the music and you've sort of already had that as much with media, but I did have it with people. My school had so many different kinds of people. Like I resented the popular kids so much that I hated them. Oh, yeah.
Until I got to boarding school, like I thought jocks, like by which I mean people who played sports for their high school team were fundamentally different. Period. Yeah. Like they were people.
Why would I ever speak to them? Yeah. And why indeed would they ever speak to me? And they also seem to feel the same way.
Like a sort of universal agreement. And maybe that's because when you're out of big public school, there's like too many people. And so you've got to even have an interaction. You can't even have like like status hierarchy between them.
It's just like, yeah, maybe you just have like, I don't know anything about you. Yeah. And I can't bother to learn. And so I choose to have this stereotype of you as a jock.
And it's helpful to me because then I don't have to engage with you on a human level. But then when I went to boarding school and all the, like, you know, there's 52 kids in my class. So like most of them were athletes of some kind. Right.
I myself was on the ultimate frisbee team. And so then I was like, oh, it turns out that like people are people and sometimes they're cool and sometimes they're cool and sometimes they throw balls good. Right. And throwing a ball really, really well does it much in fact your quality of personhood either way.
It's not really a big plus or big minus. Yeah. It might mean some things. Yeah.
You like maybe work hard. Like you have a work ethic. You wake up early, right? You're earlier risers than me.
It's my main, I mean, we might not see each other as much because you have to go to bed before to. I remember in college, Kenyon College had one of the best Division three swimming teams in the country. It was the only sport that we were good at. And we won like 25 consecutive Division three national titles or whatever.
Yeah. And I remember, like the fundamental difference between me and the swimmers was not intellectual or emotional and anything like that. It was that since they were five years old, they woken up at 5 30 in the morning and chosen to get into a pool, which meant that they had like a level of like discipline and work ethic that was not even imaginable today. I can't even wake up at 5 30 once.
The only thing that has ever gotten me up at 5 30 is to yeah, flights. Yeah. And to try. Yeah, I guess for me, there is a third, but it's true raw panic.
Right. Like, yeah, okay, which is what flights and to children inspire. Right. If I wake up and I'm really, like if I could have been really, really anxious, sometimes we go to 5 30 in the morning.
Yes. At this point. Yes. But man, in college, I was not going to get up at 5 30.
It was a struggle to get to a nine o'clock class. I would love to get to the point in my life where I feel like I can sleep in again. Yeah. That's not really a child thing for me right now.
So that's part of it. Yeah. But even when I'm like traveling to work thing, life thing, I just like, I'm too anxious to sleep in. Yeah.
Right. Which is not my vibe. No, apparently it is. No, it's how it is the life I'm living.
Well, we all contain multitudes. And just as your vibe, your like public persona is as a same person, which is very rare. And so it's extremely countercultural. You also, you know, you have anxiety and like get overwhelmed and like life can be extremely stressful, even if you don't have an anxiety disorder, it can induce tremendous amounts of anxiety.
And similarly, I like really good music. And people would think that I probably only like mountain goats, although I do love the mountain goats, and have a shirt that says that and only listen to like, I don't know, like, uh, iron and wine or whatever. But I know that is what that's fine. But I like all kinds of good music.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you accidentally leaked it, which is adorable, which reminds me of the podcast brought to you by the accidental leaf crash course playlist, the biggest scandal of 2022.
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They just follow me on TikTok. Wow. I feel like they look and have vibes similar to us. I would love to hang out with the crap brothers.
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That's one genre. That's actually I like all kinds of music except for rock. Garf that out. Everything from the beach boys to Bowie.
That's right. No Dylan. No, not interested. Coldplay also is rock still happening.
I kind of seems like it. I think the weekend kind of makes rock music. It's got a snare drum. It's rock.
I like the weekend a lot. Do you listen to the weekend? No. Okay.
It seemed from the way you answered it that you're not sure who the weekend is. I can picture him walking through a maze of the Super Bowl. That was the first time you'd ever seen the weekend or heard any of the songs. I know the music.
I listen to music weirdly. Yeah, which is that I love a song and then I love another song and that will happen. I will love over the course of a year, maybe six songs. Really?
Oh, and I will love them very much and very deeply. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why you were able to play as it was so well at our show.
That's a good song. It's got an incredible hook. It's so simple, but but it's still not. Yeah.
The production makes it not simple and early interesting. Yeah. It's a really it's a cool song. Also, also today's podcast is brought to you by John's paper about the Great Gatsby.
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This is from Alex to the 2011 2015 Grand Valley State University Nerdfighters. Wow. A while ago. Greetings former GVS, you nerdfighters.
While it's been many years since we had a meeting, I still miss you all. You all helped create an open and accepting environment that our club that made every good week better and every bad week more bearable. Your support and kindness made me more confident and helped shape the kind of person I am now. Thank you for everything.
You are former president, Alex. That's really cool. We don't ever we have absolutely no control over whether there are college clubs. Yeah.
And so and thus it always kind of surprises me that they exist out there. And it's a lovely thing. Yeah. What college clubs were you part of any?
You know, probably I was in a sketch comedy group. Yeah. And we were with Ransom Riggs. Yep.
Now the author of Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children and also many of my other friends from college. And we had a great time. Yeah. I watched one of your shows once it was like somebody filmed it somehow.
Yeah. Yeah. And it had a lot of some jokes that I were a little off-color. Well, we were family friendly comedy actually.
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