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It's a podcast where two brothers answer your question to give you advice and bring you all the weeks news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon. John, you know how to make an octopus laugh? I don't. You got to give them tentacles.
Because of tentacles and tentacles. Yeah, I don't actually giving octopus tentacles doesn't actually help it because it's already got a bunch. But, right, well, it's still funny. No, it's not.
But you've identified why it's not funny, which I feel like it's the first step. It doesn't work for me. It only works one way. Yes, for the joke to be good, it has to work two ways.
But I would argue that for the joke to be good, it has to not fundamentally be upon. It's just a difference in worldview. Yeah, well, we're doing it everybody's themselves, as Catherine says. I've been thinking about octopodes, octopi, octopuses.
You and I were just talking, Hank, about how humanity is the only known species so far in the history of Earth to be like, you know what? Maybe we should stop going for more, right? Like every species is constantly- Not like a unit, just for clarity. No, but definitely individuals.
Yeah, and like that we are concerned about the implications of us going for more, which at least from what we have observed is not something that can be said about deer or raccoons or cyanobacteria. Yeah, yeah. No, it definitely seems like there's a pretty big pressure toward evolution. The genes that get passed on are the ones that get passed on.
So if you don't have a drive to do that, then your traits don't get passed on. That's how it works. Yeah, and there's some fundamental desire that I don't think we all the time understand or think about to not just make more of ourselves, but to create out of the materials of the universe something which did not exist before, as William Faulkner put it. But then we started talking about how actually it's possible that we aren't the only species to have ever been like, hold up, this may have gotten a little bit out of control.
And that maybe like there was a group of cephalopods who had a whole octopus civilization. Well, I think like this fascinates me because if it's like on the bottom of the ocean, we wouldn't know it was long enough ago. We wouldn't know. How would we know?
Especially if a lot of their monumental monument making, assuming that they were even into monumental monument making, a lot of that could have been things that were intentionally made to be temporary. It could have been that that was part of their worldview. And so- Or they're like, built out of shells, and so we just find a bunch of shells and we're like, yeah, a bunch of shells. Right, right.
And we come up with some explanation for why the tides did it, but no, it was the octopus civilization. It seems like to me that that's the only plausible one. I think if dinosaurs had had government and democracy and stuff, we would have found some of their voting stations, but I feel like octopuses maybe got away with having a civilization. And then I can totally, having seen a few octopuses in my life, I can totally imagine a situation where they would get together and they would be like, you know what, things have gotten pretty crazy here.
The wars and the specialization of labor. Whatever octopus Twitter was, they were like, this is a bad idea. We just octopus Twitter, where we just yell at each other and then we let the most powerful octopus in the world become the sole owner of octopus Twitter. And like, maybe we just, maybe this whole thing with radical structural inequality is the wrong path forward and we need to just chill out and be octopuses again.
And it does seem like that makes sense because they seem smarter than they need to be. Octopus just seems smarter than it needs to be. So it's like, they decided one day, how about instead we all live for two years, we're pretty happy the whole time, we play a bit, we chill out, and mostly we just sort of zone. Right.
Like, how about like the way that humans feel when they're playing like level seven on Tetris is the way that we should feel all the time? All the time. That's like, what if instead of inventing Tetris, we just had that vibe overall? Yeah.
And then one octopus was like, but I like the fact that we can keep the sharks out of the town. And they were like, Steve, you're gonna have to go. We outvoted you, your food now. Give me 10 tickles.
That was like the ceremony that was immediately preceded. The renegade octopus is being thrown outside the city walls to be eaten immediately by sharks was Steve, the renegade octopus would have to stand at the gates and then 10 friends and 10 enemies would each give him a tickle. They would open up the gate and like shoot him out into the shoot him out into the regular ocean where the sharks await. Yeah.
Because you know, they had their own that's the thing like they had their own immorality. They had their own structural horrors. You know, of course, they had their own ways of like kicking people out of the community. Right.
Yeah. Yeah. So just by virtue of having morality, they also had evil unjust structures and eventually they were like, hey, instead of reforming these structures and trying to make them better, which by the way, I think is the right call for humans, just to be clear. Maybe the octopuses were like, oh God, let's just, you know what, let's let's just be octopuses again.
Yeah, they figured out a switch to open their brains where they're just like feeling okay. And that's possible way. Yeah. Like once a year without our knowing it, the switch flips and they all meet somewhere in the ocean and they they vote about whether to continue to be octopuses or whether to have a civilization again.
I think it's better that way. The wrong word, but you know what I mean. It's better that way. Like there's no, there's no doubt in my mind that all this is made up.
So it might as well that might be that should be the thing for sure. Because I think that's a really good movie. Do they even have to get together or do they have some kind of like, there's like sink their tentacles into the soil and they can communicate through bacteria or something? Right.
They do it right. They do it through like fungal networks, like how trees are. And so they're like, it's May 14th, time to time to make vote. I vote to continue being an octopus and not living in a city.
And then, but like every year like it's getting more 50-50 because they're looking at us and they're like, we're going to have to do something about these people. Right. Exactly. They're like swimming down and looking at us.
They're starting to be a problem. They're in a Netflix documentary about it. Now a bunch more are doing it because they like this Netflix documentary. Yeah, the octopuses are like, they're finding out our big secret.
And so maybe we need to move to cities again. And then there will be the great rivalry between the humans, the octopuses and humans will finally, finally be united. That's right. Because there will be a common enemy.
Yeah. Yeah. They're fairly big and quite strong. So we'll see how we do.
They got, I mean, they could, they could take us. They could take us. They've been around a lot longer than we have. I mean, they're a hundred percent muscle.
Like they just are, they don't even have bones. It's all muscle. I think it'd be kind of great if we agreed that the oceans were going to be for them and the land and the freshwater was going to be for us. And we were like, starting now, we can only eat things from the land and the freshwater because our octopus overlords have taken control of the oceans.
I mean, I know too much about how where calories come from to think that would be an easy transition, but I think we could do it eventually. Good party. Let's answer some questions from our listeners. John, this first question is from Anne who asks, Dear Hank and John, why is it harder to wake up on days that are cold, rainy or dark?
It's like my body can sense that the weather is gray and says, no, thanks before I'm even conscious and fights to say sleep. Why is that? Can I blame science? Greens and Gables, Anne.
And we're mammals. Yeah, we are. It's so hard to remember this on a minute by minute basis. I know.
But we are mammals. We are so much. We are so much more like kangaroos than we are like computers. We are mammals.
So we do mammal stuff. Yeah, like we put, we put recently killed plant and animal matter into our mouth holes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we use, we use the slough fire of burning it inside of us to listen to podcasts.
Yes. And so when we wake up and it's cold or rainy or dark, it's like when a fox wakes up and it's cold or rainy or dark, there's a part of the fox that's like, I'd rather not. Well, it probably might be better to just rather not if there's no other drive, like if you're not currently having a biological need, definitely it's cold and rainy and dark stay in that's going to be right, it's going to be expensive, metabolically to deal with that. Exactly.
So it's a value calculation that your mammal body is making that mammal wise, it's going to be more work than it usually would be to deal with this cold and rain and dark. And later, it may not be cold or rainy or dark. And so you may be able to get the same good stuff that same recently, disease plant and animal matter into your mouth hole without having to do the extra work of being cold and wet. That's right.
And there's also like it is like biochemical when it comes to light detection specifically. So like if it's warm in your house, you probably don't know what's well, I do. I mean, I know it's cold outside when it's cold outside, I can feel it coming through the walls, it's cold in Montana. But we also like have very sophisticated light detection systems that like you don't necessarily even need your eyes to be open for, but also you probably have your eyes open a little bit before you technically wake all the way up.
And so you're getting that you're getting that feedback. So during the dark months that we certainly have at these attitudes where I am, your body knows your body knows when the sun is coming up. And there's there's a thing called the suprachiasmatic nuclei. It's in the hypothalamus.
I've got a bunch of those light that goes through the retina. And it uses that to figure out what your body should be doing sleep wise. So I guess a real if it's a part of your brain that's connected to your eye receptors, yeah, wild. That is pretty wild.
And it's called the suprachiasmatic nuclei, which that's a great name. Usually, yeah, biologists are so notoriously bad at naming things. But that is a really high quality name. It's hard to forget.
Do octopuses have one of those? I imagine they don't because they aren't as light sensitive as we are. Well, also their brains are very different. So they, this is one of the coolest things about octopuses.
They have very complicated brains that evolved entirely separately from ours. Like the nearest common ancestor of a cephalopodin and a mammal was very deep and did not have a big brain. So their brains are super different. So I would be very surprised if they had any analysis structure.
Cool. Well, this next question comes from Sophie who writes, Dear John and Hank, I'm a preschool teacher. And recently one of my students asked, why if I jump, I come back down? But if I hold my arm up, it stays up.
I tried to explain gravity to a three year old, but thought it was a pretty profound question that you could answer gravity and existential dread, Sophie. It's interesting that like putting my arm up, it doesn't feel like it's going to come down on its own. So that like, so there's the question of why I go, I fall, I come back down, which is very complicated and weird and has to do with the curvature of space time. But then there's the question of like, why my body doesn't really have to work to keep my arm up, even though it definitely is working, but I do not notice that work.
Wait, if you hold your arm directly out from your shoulder, out to my shoulder, it wants to fall like crazy. Yeah, you're saying, like, if you make the field goal was good. Yeah. Or like, Mrs.
Johnson raising your hand to ask a question. Now, what I would have this three year old do is I would say, well, let's see about that three year old, put that hand up and call me in an hour. I raked about 8,000 pounds of leaves yesterday, so I'm already feeling it. Yeah, it will eventually start to want to return to equilibrium.
But even then there's sort of like, keeping it balanced up there and more of holding it up there. It's like like a broom on your fingertip, you know, yeah, balanced. Yeah. But I don't think that we need to think about it primarily as gravity if we're trying to explain it to three year olds.
Like, I don't think we need to talk about the curvature of space time. But but it is a weird idea, right? Because then why is it relatively little work to stand up or to sit down rather than lying down? Like, it doesn't feel like effort to be seated for most people most of the time, but especially preschoolers who are tiny.
Yeah, I don't have a lot of body move around. And they have a massive amount of energy relative to their mass, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Like sonic the hedgehog is based on a three year old. And I think that the answer is muscles. So I wouldn't talk about gravity or space time. I would talk about muscles and how muscles do work.
And you are holding that up. But when you jump there, it's nothing to hold you up. Exactly. Yeah.
You are holding your arm up. You are holding yourself up when you stand. But when you jump, there's nothing touching the ground to hold you up. Does that work for a three year old?
I think so. Yeah. I think so. I haven't had a three year old in so long.
Jeez. I know. Yeah. I mean, it's been it's been a while even for me.
Oh, this next question comes from Jay, John. I love this one. And it was hard to get to the bottom of your hand can John do magnets ever stop? Magnet ing pumpkins and penguins J.
So I'm not sure. But here's something that I did not realize. I figured out while researching this question is that all natural magnets. So most magnets you'll deal with are created intentionally by people.
Right. So like a new demean magnets are like a magnet you stick out like with the black background. That's just like a film. That's a that's an artificially induced magnet created by humans doing human stuff.
But there are natural magnets. You know this because like there before we could do that, there were like compasses that used load stones that were magnetite, a mineral that is magnetic. And that was recognized fairly early on because it's super weird. Yeah.
And very magical. Right. Like that must have felt very much like magic to be fair, not to quote the insane clown posse. But magnets still feel a little magical to me.
They do. Yeah. Yeah. I have not really gotten there.
I think I know people who are in it enough that they're like, Oh, yeah, no, that's just a normal phenomenon. I'm like, I can't push these two things together. They fight. It's invisible.
As we're there's an invisible power that's keeping these things apart. Yeah. So but so this natural like in order for a natural magnet to form, I was like, does that happen naturally? Like what it just like do these atoms line up in a way that the spins of their electrons blah, blah, blah, blah, or whatever.
And no, it happens because they form in our magnetic field of the earth. So the earth was the magnet that induced the magnetism in the load stone in the iron so that it has a magnetic it carries basically the earth's magnetic field kind of like the field induced the the dipole induced it to have a direction to its magnetic field. And so if it was on a planet that didn't have a magnetic field, there would be no natural magnets. Whoa.
And that so like that says to me that maybe like just the random jostlings and energy of not being an absolute zero might eventually mean once it's taken out of the presence of the earth's magnetic field that probably over the very long scheme of billions of years of or hundreds of billions of years of the future of the future of the universe, probably a natural magnet or any magnet would lose its magnetism. But I'm not sure I could figure it out. But we're talking about very large time scales. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
It's not something that would happen unless you intentionally get it what you can do in a number of ways. Could you get rid of the earth's magnetic field on purpose? No, not yet. We cannot do that.
And I think we are a long way away from having the power to do that. Great. Let's never learn how to do that. You can potentially create a kind of artificial magnetic field for another planet.
It would be like an external device that would sit between the sun and the planet. And that would sort of block the solar radiation. But that's definitely within like sort of imaginable human technology, whereas stopping the Earth's core from doing stuff is not within human imaginable human technology. It'd be easier to pull the planet up.
It feels like. Well, speaking of all that, I have a related question, sciency from John who writes to your John and Hank, do I weigh less on a mountain? My engineering friends and I have been arguing about this for 30 minutes, help moguls and mountains, John. Yeah, you do, right?
Yeah, yeah. And the higher the mountain, the less you weigh, right? Yeah. And then if you had a mountain, like if you had a theoretical mountain that went all the way into outer space, I think actually you'd have a big problem now that I think about it.
The ground up. The issue would be air. Right. But also, like if you had a piece of the planet that pierce the atmosphere, wouldn't that be a problem?
Um, no. Wait, whoa, you could have a planet where almost all the planet is has an atmosphere. But then if you climb up a really, really, really tall mountain, you are in space. Yeah.
Are you sure that sounds wrong? Because doesn't the atmosphere, definitionally sphere the atmos? It, it's, it's, I don't know what the atmos is, but it only spheres the center of the earth. So it spheres the center of the body.
Whoa, it does not like head up on over whatever there is. That's why it's why the air pressure is much less at the top of Mount Everest than it's, you're telling me it's higher up in the atmo. You're telling me that the atmosphere is not actually an atmosphere for earth's surface. It's an atmosphere for earth's core.
Yeah, I guess. Whoa. It's a, yeah. Seriously?
Well, it's, it's, it's, well, it's subject to the exact same reason as you weigh less at the top of the mountain. You are being at the atmosphere falls like any, like waterwood falls into a pool at the lowest point of can. You're telling me that I could build a, a, a spire, a tower of babble, if you will. Yeah.
It goes all the way to the moon. Well, okay. Sure. It just as a hypothetical.
To the moon's orbit. Let's say the moon's orbit because we're we create a problem with the moon moving around. Otherwise, if it went to the moon that it would sort of like rotate around earth and it would like squords the land as it moved. Yeah.
That would be an issue. But you're telling me that I could build from the surface of earth a tower that went to the moon's orbit. And this would not in any way affect the atmosphere. It would not really pierce the atmosphere because the atmosphere isn't perishable as such.
Right. Yeah. It would affect the atmosphere and then it would create like winds would currant around it. Like when winds blew, blow across it, it would create currents like any, like a mountain does, you know, like, right.
Right. But it wouldn't, it wouldn't like have any kind of catastrophic impact on the existence of the yeah. Like poke a hole in the bubble of man. I mean, the movie space falls fundamentally lied to me in a way that I didn't know until just now.
I so assumed that it was correct. I thought that it was a documentary, Hank. Oh, God, I'm really astonished to know that you can pierce the atmosphere. Nothing bad happens.
Like you could grow a mountain and I intend to now. Yeah. Well, there's like, there's a, there's a, you know, a theoretical idea for efficient space travel called the space elevator that is that it's just a big, well, big tower, basically, that goes up to a body that orbits the earth and connects the planet to that. And then you sort of like get out of the ground you all that way.
Wow. And just by climbing the tether. Wow. And it's a real idea that people think maybe something would happen.
I don't think it would because if it broke and fell and as you may have heard, what goes up does come down on the way down, it would do so much damage. Like maybe, like it's just like building a doomsday device. It's a, it's, it's very fun in theory, but thinking about what would go wrong if it did go wrong. I don't like.
Well, Hank, you have to spoil parties with your big, what if it went wrong ideas? And I'll tell you what, Hank, nobody ever became a centibillionaire by imagining what the negative implications of their technology proposals were. Okay. Nobody ever became a capitalist god king by worrying about the potential pitfalls.
Good point, John. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop worrying. I learned to stop worrying.
This is question, who asks the deer, Hank and John, what's the difference between an onomy, astrology and astronomy are two very different things with Astro, but they changed by their suffix. My hypothesis is that an ology was artsy and onomy was sciencey, but what about like all the other ologies? And then there's also graphy and metry. Like the list goes on and on.
This has been tearing me up for weeks. Please help sincerely. And so we meet again. Oh, that's good.
Okay, sure. All right. Yeah. I was on, I wasn't on board until I said it out loud.
Graphy is pretty easy. It's, it's a writing. So a biography is a writing, a bio bio bio and an autobiography. Geography.
Geograph is like, got to write down the earth. Got to draw it's writing the earth and autobiography is writing the auto bio. I don't know about onomy and ology. Do you know?
Yeah. Apparently the metric actually is to measure. So geometry is measuring the geos. Yeah.
So astronomy, it's interesting because astrology and astronomy literally are the opposite of what they should be. So astrology is the study of Astro stars and astronomy is the naming of Astro stars. And astrology is the naming of stars and astronomy is the studying of stars, which is backwards. It's precisely the opposite of what it should be, but language is bad and messy.
Yeah. But that's good to know that there is a different word for the study of something than for the naming of something. So actually, I would be very interested in, so if you took the word biography, and then you made it about the naming of the bio, what would that be? That would be Bionomy, right?
I looked it up and it's actually like it says that it is in fact, the management or measurement of the said field of study. Oh, okay. I was wrong. I always thought I was naming.
I like naming a lot better. Me too. But I was going to say, I don't actually want to write a biography of a disease or of a person, the stuff that I'm writing right now. I want to write a biology of the person or the subject.
And then I realize that biology is actually already, it's already taken. It's already been occupied. That's space. Yeah, that's interesting that there's like that a biography and a biology are really different.
Yeah. But actually, what I am interested in is not telling writing down the story of something, but finding ways to name things that haven't been named effectively, at least in my opinion. Like that's really for me, what all writing is, is trying to name or give form or structure to stuff that doesn't easily lend itself to form and structure. And that would be great if there were some word that I could use for my understanding of what I'm trying to do with writing.
But biology is taken, so I give up. What about autobiography? Do you think I can make autobiography? The art of writing memoir?
Autobiology is just medicine. It's like human anatomy. Yeah. How pretentious would it be if I wrote an autobiography and titled it something colon and autobiography?
Very bad. It's so pretty. It's so good. Can I tell you something?
It's so great. The other day, I almost tweeted and then I didn't because that's the right way to do it, that I was hoping somebody could coin a term that would be grand schemas because of this thing that you said in a video a while ago that we that like in the grand scheme of things blah blah blah, but we do not live in the grand scheme of things. And grand scheme is being the sort of tendency of the powerful to think more about what will be and the sort of imagined future that they that may or may not happen and less about the current problems that are not being interfaced with. Right.
And that would be grand schemas which I love that. I don't know why you didn't tweet that. I think that's lovely. I think that so much.
I did. I mean, I do know why you didn't tweet it. And I think that every tweet you don't tweet is a good decision period hard stop. No other thoughts about that.
But I do think that the and I understand the fascination with grand scheme ism and I understand the importance of it even of trying to think about the grand scheme of things. But when grand scheme ism consumes the reality of present tense injustice and suffering, I'm not as convinced by it. Yeah. Like there's a there's a sort of grand scheme ism that holds that the main work we should be doing is toward alleviating future suffering.
And I understand the argument. And I think it's an interesting argument. I just also think that when we encounter suffering in the present and we do, we should respond. Yeah, I have a couple of feelings about this.
One is that it may be that the best way to alleviate future suffering is to interface with present stuff. I think that is very much in the case. That that seems kind of given and like it's pretty it might be a little unusual for for there to be situations where the opposite is the case. Right.
There are situations where the opposite is the case for sure. Yeah. But but I think that it's easy to sort of like pretend like you found one and and so don't bother me with all of this complexity of dealing with things. And I also think that like it's really important for the stability of the world.
Like I like in general for us to be interfacing with current suffering. We just sort of say like don't worry your your grandchildren will be fine. That that's not good. That's not going to help actually solve the problem and get people on board to solve the problem.
Right. Don't worry. We're doing everything we can to make the world better for your grandchildren is yeah. When someone's 20, you know, right.
And maybe I think there are times and places where that can be a compelling argument. But yeah, I think for me it makes sense to look at where the incentives align just on a practical human level where does addressing present tense suffering also lead to generational improvements. And I think there are plenty of those places for me. So I don't I don't want grand schemeism to like I I think it adds something important to the conversation that we need to pay attention to and listen to.
I also think that that's why I because like when I when I wrote it, it just seemed like it was snarking off. Okay. Like it was as if grand schemeism was something to be entirely discounted. Yeah.
Well, I think that the big risk with it so hard not to have things sound like that. That's true. Especially also when you're boiling them down to a term. Yeah.
It's almost like it would only ever catch on if it was a way to deride others. Right. Like the term mannequixy dream girl or all those like ways of ways of simplifying complexity are always kind of exciting to us because we're like finally here is a framework through which I can understand everything. And also dislike the people I dislike.
Yes. Have my have my previous biases confirmed. Yeah. Can you please present me with a way for me to dislike the people I dislike?
I will totally retweet that. And is there any way that along the way I can feel less like I have personal changes that I need to make in my own life to make the world suck less? Yeah. Yeah.
Totally. Which I am more guilty of than almost anyone. I love somebody explaining away my evil. Please make it okay for me to make the decisions I want to make, please.
Right. It's a lot of it. And like that's what it is what we want. And so I, you know, I at least know that a lot of decisions I make are the ones I shouldn't be making.
So at least there's that right one step at a time, I guess. Yeah. This next question comes from Emma who asked during a job. Where should I get my next tattoo?
Oh, finally. Thanks during the tattoo club. I'd love I'd love your advice. This will be my fourth tattoo.
I have one on the left side of my stomach, one on my right lower calf, one on my right inner arm. Where should my fourth one be? That helps. It's of a mushroom and a gum nut.
What the heck is a gum nut? It's it's some kind of like it could go in multiple directions. That's all it's the it's the hard woody fruit of trees of the genus Eucalyptus. Oh, there's something called a snuggle pot and a cuddle pie.
Oh, they're the gum nut babies of author May Gibbs. Oh, so grand. I'm gonna hook up snuggle pot now and I bet I'm gonna be delighted. I am looking up gum nuts right now and I am already delighted that they are adorable.
They are I think my favorite hard and woody fruits that I've ever come across. Yeah. Well, actually it's snuggle pot and cuddle pie. I have to say I a little bit am freaked out by I thought it was going to be 100% great.
And in fact, they're kind of terrifying. Oh, yeah, they don't they don't at least from the book that I'm looking at, they don't really seem to have pupils. They seem to have those dead ghosts. Yes.
Yeah, they're either pupils or white and they apparently they don't seem to be capable of closing their eyes. You know, in the old days, yeah, children's entertainment was just sort of naturally horrifying. The presumption was children know the secrets, but we can't tell them the secrets. They just have to sit there with the deep knowledge of them.
And that all kinds of weird stories like you go back, you read those Han Christian Andersen stories and you're like, Oh, wow, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
He's like, I don't want to read that. I don't know. Don't do that. These gum nut babies look to me.
Well, they have this like perpetual surprise in their faces. Yeah. This and it's sort of a horrified surprise. It's sort of like you told them like they just found out that the not only is human life temporary, but the but earth and our solar system are also temporary and they're like, Oh, look.
Oh my God. Yeah. Anyway, maybe have a good evening. Eventually, there will be like, there will be like even temperature throughout the entire universe and nothing will ever change again.
We call it no forward and no backward. We call it heat death. We call it heat death because it's like the final death. That's the exact face.
After all the other deaths happen. It's the last one. The last death. Yeah.
We call it that actually. It's a ways off gum nut babies, but you know, but eventually there will be no one left to remember that you existed. The good news is by the time the heat death of the universe comes gum nut babies will be long gone. You've got nothing to worry about yourselves unless you are hoping for there to be some vestige of you in the future, which there won't be.
Thank you for coming to our party. Anyway, I'm hoping it's not Snuggle Pop that you're getting to tattoo off any time. I'm hoping it is Snuggle Pop. Either way, either way.
I think actually it's grand and I want to see a picture. Hey, no, no, don't answer the question because I know you got a tattoo. You didn't tell me that you got a tattoo. I had to discover it for myself, which was a little bit disappointing.
Well, I wasn't sure what the etiquette was. I think that this is actually a great question. It's from Hank who asks, how like when you're like middle aged, what's the tattoo telling etiquette? Do you like say, Hey, mom, just so you know, I'm at the tattoo parlor and I'm going to permanently.
No, but here's when you could have mentioned it is when I said, Hey, how'd your trip with your buddies to Florida go? And you said, yeah, you could have been like good. I got a tattoo. I said, what I said, I told you that I had a really good, I did tell you I had a great time.
It was very relaxing. We had a wonderful time. But I maybe was like, and we all went and got matching that too. I think that would have been the time that you got to match it.
You got to match it. You got to match it. But I also think it's fine for me to just find out by looking at your arm. I think that's a great take talk.
I think that we should say where we think this tattoo should go on three. Okay. Okay. One, two, three, wrist.
What did you say? Yours is probably better. Do you say forearm? Forehead.
I just think it'd be so funny to have these Snuggle bunnies right there, like almost as a third eye. I'm all about like, I think tattoos on arms are great because they're easy to show off. And I just like an arm with some tattoos on it. I love an arm with some tattoos.
It just looks real good. I mean, I like upper arm. I like back. I love a back.
But I also think that this is a decision about your body. It's true. That's not enough to make for you. Like, I think that I think that you should think about your particular body and your particular relationship with it where you would like seeing the tattoo because you will be the main person who sees it or where you would like to feel its existence if that's what it is and then go from there.
Mine feels very lonely. I have this one tattoo on. Are you going to get enough? It feels like it needs friends.
Are you thinking about getting another one? I feel like I've got ideas, but I just want to let it let things happen. Yeah. No, I think that's great.
I support you 100% unless you want to get one of these Snuggle bunny tattoos. That would worry me a little bit. I thought they were going to be so cute. Their names were very cute.
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We got my part. I was really hard on Hank for recently losing some gold and then I just lost some solid gold. We had some high quality gold but instead we're going to do the news from Mars and AFC Wimbledon so I can go pick up my children from school. I'll start.
The news from AFC Wimbledon is that we still have not lost a game since I visited. I don't know if it's about me but we haven't lost a game. That said we did tie one one in the FA Cup which you'll recall Hank is a cup competition. It's a knockout competition.
It's separate from the league campaign. We played Weymouth who plied their trade way down in the sixth tier of English football and we tied them which means we have to play them again in a week and I mean it was not a great tie for us. They had more shots than we did more possessions more corner kicks in almost every way they were the better team and that's not good because they're in the sixth tier of English football and we should be comfortably outplaying them. So it's a little alarming as ties go but it is still a continuation of the undefeated since John watch just lose streak.
This is big in Mars news. Mars is crust. Might be a little more complex than we thought. We used to think that Mars is crust was like a just a uniform basalt.
So that's like a igneous rock that was part of an ocean of magma that coated the planet until it all cooled down into the crust. But researchers studying different Mars reconnaissance orbiter have found that the crust in the southern hemisphere of Mars has feldspar which is usually found in silica rich lava as opposed to basaltic flows and that means that the crust might not have been formed by the cooling of one giant ocean of magma instead it might have formed in multiple different phases. That's going to take a lot more work to figure out what exactly is going on with Mars's crust. Also the insight lander I think probably just sent us its last photo.
It's ending up it's a beautiful little photo and you can go look at it by searching for last insight lander photo because it did its thing and didn't get what a lot of Mars missions get which is way longer life than their plan before but did do a lot of its work. Well Godspeed to a real one. That's right. John thank you for making a podcast with me and thank you everybody for sending your questions to Hank and John at gmail.com.
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