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373: Infinitely More Versatile (w/ Mike Trapp!)

from Dear Hank & John

Why do we have Eastern and Pacific time zones? What would happen if I blended a smoothie for a year? What's the most versatile food? Why are some towns completely circular? Why do we get in the shower instead of under it? Why do people like surprise boxes? Hank Green and Mike Trapp have answers! And you can catch more of both of them on Dimension 20's Mentopolis, now on Dropout.tv! If you're in need of dubious advice, email us at [email protected]. Join us for monthly livestreams and an exclusive weekly podcast at patreon.com/dearhankandjohn. Follow us on Twitter! twitter.com/dearhankandjohn If you're in need of dubious advice, email us at [email protected]. Join us for monthly livestreams at patreon.com/dearhankandjohn. Follow us on Twitter! twitter.com/dearhankandjohn

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Hello everyone. It's kind of not happening, but it also is. It's kind of not. But you'll see.

So here's the situation. I am currently on a show that is on the internet called Dimension 20 and this season is called Mintoppelis. It's a lot of fun. It's a tabletop role playing game show and this season is me and a bunch of cool people being inside of a man's mind and trying to solve mysteries.

It's like an inside-out but noir detective thriller and it's very fun. And you can watch the first episode for free on YouTube and the rest of them are behind a paywall at dropout.tv, which is a subscription service that I quite like and I'm a big Dimension 20 fan and I was really excited to be able to do. And I was like, okay, this shows going to come out. What we should do is we should record a bunch of podcasts with all the other people who are on the show with me.

And then I got diagnosed with cancer and I got very busy with that and I had only recorded one of them. And so we were going to release them during the release of Mintoppelis, which is now going on. So we're going to release the one that I recorded, which is with Mike Trap. And you can get that and it was recorded back before I had a diagnosis of anything.

I did not know there was anything wrong with me. And you can watch the first episode of Mintoppelis on YouTube by searching Mintoppelis on YouTube. So this is kind of not the thing. We're kind of not coming back.

But the news is we also are coming back. We're going to start recording beer, Hank and John again and they will start coming out in October. I believe that's the plan. They might come out a little bit sooner than that, but we'll see.

We're still in sort of a transitional phase. Someone used the phrase healing season. You're in a healing season with me the other day. And I'm like, yes, I am in a healing season and I'm going to try and take care of me as much as I can.

So thank you. We're sorry that we went away for so long and we are very excited to come back. But in the meantime, I hope that you will enjoy this episode of Dear Hank and John, except it is not Dear Hank and John. It's Dear Hank and Trap.

And welcome to Dear Hank and John. Or as I like to call it, Dear Trap and Hank. It's a podcast. We're two brothers and sometimes a brother and a friend to answer your questions, give you to be surprising me all the weeks news from both Mars and Aves who probably not that this week.

Hello, we're joined by a special guest today. This is my trap of actually and various other cool things that have happened in the world, college humor stuff and sometimes Dungeons and Dragons things. Hello. Hello.

Thanks for having me. Do you know why you're on my on Dear Hank and John? I mean, I think it has something to do with the fact that we have recorded and hopefully by the time it comes out, put out a season of Dimension 20 called Metropolis and we had a great time playing playing. I was going to say Dean Deet together.

I guess it was kids on bikes, but we table top together. We had a great time and now we're just keeping the party going. It's been so hard to not talk about this. I don't know how people do that.

I'm a YouTube boy and I live a YouTube life and to have made a piece of content. I don't even know. Like months, almost a half a year between when it was recorded and when it comes out is very uncomfortable for me, especially when I have been as excited about it as I am about this. Yeah, you don't get that instant gratification.

I mean, I've been writing for animated shows since 2020 and one of your credits. Well, that's what I was just about to say. I can't talk about any of my credits because they haven't come out yet. What have you been doing for the past like three years?

It's like, well, what is a show that hasn't come out yet? I don't think I'm even allowed to talk about it. I think I can say that I'm writing on big city greens right now, but the stuff I'm writing won't come out for another two years or so. So like, I want to check out your things like you can't either can't talk about it or you got to wait.

I'm writing things that are going to come out of the mouths of animated characters in three years time. It's great. It's a fun job. You've ever wondered why there's a lot of topical content on an animated show?

I will say though, I kind of love that. After writing for the internet for years and like on top of everything and like have a take, it's really actually kind of refreshing to write stories. You kind of just have to write like timeless human stories because it'll be a while before it comes out. So don't link it in time too much.

I walk into the experience of having watched a lot of Dimension 20, seen you on Dimension 20, seen a lot of these other people on Dimension 20. And like sitting down with people, the majority of whom are professional improv comics and comedy writers. Very intimidating, you guys. They did this thing that was really, as it's not meant, there will be regular Dear Hank and John, but they did this thing that was a very good idea.

The day before we started recording, we played a little game together. We kind of developed some relationships and we played a one session in the world that was not recorded. And actually I put it on my phone because I was such a fanboy. I was like, I'm going to save this.

So I recorded it on my phone so I can listen to it just for me. That was the scariest moment aside probably from the very first time I had, it was like my turn to go and develop my story a little bit. But then it went so well, everybody's so crazily supportive. And you and pretend like your character immediately embodied this horrible man.

He's not a good guy, but he's not an effective person. No. But the character you created was just such a delight. So I'm so excited to have people actually watch it.

It's on Dropout TV, which does cost money. I apologize. Sorry for putting it in the good save. I got so much good stuff to watch.

But yeah, I think you're right too. I think that is why there's that session zero where that is the scariest point where it's like, oh, I'm playing for an audience, but I'm also playing for the people at this table. If you can get one session to clear out the anxiety about the people at the table and be like, we're all friends here. Here's one less thing to worry about.

And then we'll worry about entertaining all the people out there. And I was like, aren't we going to make this like a Patreon exclusive or something? And they're like, literally no. The point is that there's no audience.

Just accept it, which was hard for me. Because monetize this. You're telling me that I'm not supposed to talk right now. I'm not currently making content.

I don't know what that is like. Me walking through the forest and filming things being like, I bet I should make a video about liken. It's my life. So you want to answer some questions from our listeners?

Let's answer some questions. Yeah. I miss you all so much. We've filmed for like five days.

And I'm like, my summer camp friends. That is what it feels like. It's like a series of like brief, intense, like you go through a big adventure together and then it just all kind of fades away. Yeah.

And everybody cooks the food for you. Yeah. Just like some. All right.

This first question comes from Hannah who asks, Dear Hank and Drape. Why is it called Eastern and Pacific Time? Why not Eastern and Western or Pacific and Atlantic? Ever been to Montana, Hannah.

For clarity. And I've said this before in the podcast. Hannah Montana is not from Montana. Her last name is Montana.

She is from Texas. I don't know why her last name is Montana. I guess just because it sounds good. This is constructed identity after all.

It doesn't feel like time zones are sort of named a little wiggly, especially when you cram mountain time in there where it's like, Hey, we're cramming. I do think like I don't know the answer to this. I'm going to venture a guess here. I'm going to venture a guess that it is that everything is coming from like an Eastern centric point of view because that doesn't be how things go where it's like, well, clearly this is Eastern time.

And then for them everything, everything after that is Western. So like, we have to be more specific than Western because the rest of the country, that's just, that's all West. And like, they needed to like define it more. That's kind of my guess.

But we don't know that there was like an oral history of how this happened, but that is definitely part of it. That the West, what we consider to be West is so big that you can't have a Western time because I am in Montana, which is definitely the West. You know, you think of Montana is more Western than you'd think of California or Oregon. But, and so it's like, can you really?

Can you say Western? But also importantly, there is an Atlantic time zone. It is the one that is east of Eastern. So Puerto Rico is in it.

The Virgin Islands are in it. And so the, that was taken or I don't know, somebody had to name these things. So it was, so there is an Atlantic and a Pacific time. It's just that if those are not referring to the parts of the US that are Atlantic and Pacific, though, there's a lot of Pacific out there.

There also is in different time zones. Yeah. That's true. Because you could either end up Pacific.

Yeah. There's a, there's so much Pacific that it seems it's a little bit nuts that America is like, this is Pacific time. It's the part that contains a very narrow slice of the Pacific Ocean. Yeah.

What about the biggest of the oceans? What about like a lot of Asia? And what about parts of Russia and Hawaii and, and the Polish islands? That's all Pacific too.

Yeah. I mean, the part that's put the Pacific time zone should be the one that has the least stuff in it. And I have no idea what that bad time zone is called. But yeah, I was a little bit surprised to find that there was an Atlantic time zone.

Even though obviously lots of people live in it. Yeah. It feels like, like, just thinking about how this sort of like Eastern-centric view of like so much West, it's like, I still sort of feel like sometimes when people are like the Midwest, it's like, you know, it's like a lot of that's more east than it is West. Like you could call them at West, but like, I don't know.

Like, it's all like, it's just pure historical reasons why it's like, yeah. It's because the people on the East Coast as, and as a person in Montana, I'm, I accept your lack of interest in what's going on. And that's fine. It's fine.

But also if just a tip, if you ever, if you ever say to me, Oh, Montana, I go there sometimes. And, because what I'm going to hear is I go skiing or fishing there. I go to whitefish or I go to big sky. I was a ski resort.

I know what you mean. I know what you mean. You don't go to Montana. You like fly in on your private jet and you do a thing and you leave again.

I remember when I, I grew up in military brat. So I moved around a lot. And when I moved from, from California to Maine, I remember talking to a lot of people and they were like, Oh, what, what part of California did you just come from? And I was like, Oh, you know, around, around San Francisco, around the Bay Area.

And the number of times people would say something like, Oh, that's cool. You know, I just visited San Diego last summer. And I have to sort of explain. It's like, the California geography, you have to understand that would be like, Oh, I'm so glad to be here in Maine.

I went to North Carolina. It's like, it's really, it's pretty far apart. I get confused by San Diego for a while. I don't know.

It particularly, I was like, I don't know. It could be anywhere. Yeah. It could be really anywhere between LA and San Francisco.

And I don't think it even is. No, no, it's it's South of LA. I figured that out now. I've gotten there.

I actually am going to San Diego shortly. We'll have already gone when this podcast comes out. And I was like, I can take the train from San Diego to Los Angeles. And I did.

I booked the train ticket on Amtrak. And they're like, here's your train tickets. Gotta be amazing. Like, you could go three times on this day.

I pick my time and be up there. And then they send me an email and they're like, that train line doesn't exist anymore. And, but we can get you want to train, take you to a bus stop. You could take a bus to another train station and take a train to Los Angeles.

And I was like, Oh, I will drive. Like, that's fine. That's no thanks for that. I remember it was so excited about my train trip and it's just canceled.

It's also it was like, it was like, one of those beautiful train trips you can take. It just goes along the beach in Southern California. Look at the waves. I still, I remember hearing about this.

I wasn't clear whether it was a permanent closure or whether because I think it was somewhat related to like the like rains washing away, some of the tracks. So I wasn't sure whether it was like, Oh, we have to rebuild some things or whether it's like, no, we're permanently closing this. Well, the train broke. So it's America and we're not going to fix that.

I mean, there was, there was a period a year to ago where there was a portion of the Amtrak line in big, sir, that like, there's a big old mud slide and wash it away. It was the same thing. It's like, we'll take you halfway to San Francisco and you can get on a bus and go to the mountains and unload you on the other side. They keep going.

But this is none of this is efficient or logical at all. Yeah. We'll figure out trains right around the time when we like right before we invent transporters from Star Trek and Tony, anymore. I'm glad that we figured out the answer to your question by which I mean, we definitely did not.

This next question comes from Leah who asks Dear Hank and also Trep. What would happen if I blended my smoothie for a whole year? I assume the smoothie would be blended so hard that it would just disintegrate into nothingness. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Have a blended day. Leah. Yeah. So, so we're talking about a single smoothie, one single blender, and you turn it on and you just let it go over the whole year.

One year. I so I assume that there is a point which you hit like terminal smoothness, like a sort of terminal velocity. Yeah, this is a smoothie. Not the new to cut.

Yeah. Everything that can get cut, cut, cut. Yeah. Correct.

Then I sort of start, but what I kind of started wondering with this was what happens to like, does the movement, does the motion keep like bacteria from developing on this? That's certainly not right. Yeah. I think we got a couple of problems.

You're like, I shouldn't drink this smoothie at the end of this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I actually, I do wonder because, you know, mold does, most, I think that mold actually, not all fun.

But mold specifically do require for the fungus to be able to build a structure with all of the stuff sort of tied together and sort of high fee, like these root structures that would also be getting blended. So like they wouldn't be able to form a mold. Bacteria don't care. They're like, ooh, fun.

Like it's a roller coaster and food. It's like a water slide made of smoothie for a bacteria. It's like having a great time and it's kale and carrots and apple juice. Right.

So I think that it would, you know, like there's like something kind of antibacterial in there. Is that going to help at all? Well, there is a way to put enough something in there that that so this is what this is correct. This is the correct course of action.

I like this. We'll put something in the smoothie that makes it so the bacteria don't grow or we dose it with a bacteria that's like cool. Like that like that's like a heat like a lactobacillus or something. Or like a yeast.

Yeah, something good. That actually maybe makes it into booze. And then you got a boo smoothie at the end of the year. And that's surprise.

You thought you were going to get the smoothie of your whole life, but actually you're drunk. And it's like it's like kind of a chill kombucha vibe. Sure. I think there's also a reality that your smoothie smoother is going to be adding energy to this system the whole time.

And I'm worried about the heat that your smoothie might get up to. Yeah, I was wondering too, but we should talk about the heat for sure. But also just the mechanical problems of this engine running for. I feel like I get nervous running my blender for like like 60 seconds.

I'm like, this is too long. This is crazy. You know, making a lot of noise. I feel like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm breaking something just by having this running.

I feel like I feel like I feel like we'll talk about the heat first. No, no, I'm like, so I think that if we took a blender from the 60s, that thing would just keep going. That's basically. You still make a one that you still.

Exactly. So we have to get an old one. Because nowadays I think you're right. I think they'll just shake themselves apart in 25 minutes.

But those 60s blenders, they were made by people who were making airplane engines. Like the same man, not the same company, the same man. Both the smoothie and the airplane engine. And it's just going to go on the same for wonderful day where he was actually chucked up an animal in the jet engine.

And then slowly this goop is delicious. We're really going to change things around here. Jeff. Yeah, I don't like I think the heat in the system, the main like I think that you might actually get some.

Well, also you're going to it doesn't be oxygen in there. And it's just going to be oxidized like you know, like a banana in a room. It's not a real brown. It's even if there's no bacteria around it.

It just it will break down. And so I think that what you're going to end up with is a very smooth and if you dosed it, you got a good blender that's from the 60s. And maybe you have like a thing in there to keep the temperature good. You're going to have a very antibacterial smoothie.

It's going to taste not good. But how smooth does the smoothness make it work? It's going to be a textural experience. It's like a level of, I am transcending to another plane.

This might be how life happened. You know, you take a bunch of non-living chemicals, mix them around, add some heat. Maybe you invent life again. I mean, this is like a new like Frankenstein thing where it's like, oh, yeah, I just wanted to have a very smooth smoothie.

And somehow I've become God. I've created life and I don't know what to do with my own creation. Yeah, it has thoughts now in feelings and it doesn't want to die. John Bajou sells at break bucks.

But not as a smoothie more as a friend to companion. If I get 10 of these, the next one's a free. Okay. You can't keep making these things, John Bajou.

They have thoughts. They have feelings. This is an ethical problem. They're normal men.

Just innocent men. Okay. Here's another one. It's from Andrew who says hello, blank and blank.

It's almost like they knew. Hello, Hank and Trap. I'm a high school teacher and I get to over hear some of the greatest sentences ever. Recently I had two students walk into class arguing and one of them said, you're hallucinating.

Potatoes are infinitely more versatile than cheese. Oh, wow. To which a third student across the room yelled, I've been preaching this for years. What is objectively and or subjectively the most versatile food, slightly more versatile than Gouda Andrew?

I have strong and definite opinions on this subject. I have thoughts on this too. So my immediate thought was just an answer to the debate that's going on over her, which is that I think cheese is easily more versatile than potatoes. I think cheese is easily more versatile than potatoes.

I think potatoes are very versatile. I'm not taking the chair. I come here not too big. The best version of the good name of potatoes is absolutely one of the very best things that ever happened.

But I do think that you know, you look at the cheese can go on almost anything. It can be a dessert. It can be a whole meal. I think there's no question even here.

I don't know how much we even need to get into this because it's like so clearly knocking on the car. I feel like these children do not understand. They haven't experienced anything like the true versatility of cheese. Once I was shopping, I was going to go shopping for my roommates in college and someone had written cheese on the list.

And I said, blank, this was his name. I don't think that was his name when he was born. But I said, blank, what kind of cheese do you want? And he said, regular.

This is an opinion of a person who, that potato is more versatile than cheese. That's an opinion of a person who thinks there's a regular cheese. By which he meant craft American singles. That's regular cheese.

If there's a regular cheese out there, that's it. At least for an American college student. But oh my God, so much cheese. But trap.

Cheese is a kind of another food. That was exactly my thought process too. It's a food in and of itself. But cheese is a processed food.

If you're going to say that cheese is more versatile, then you also have to say, milk is more versatile than cheese because milk includes the subset cheese. But also everything else that milk does. But then also does it also include all of the milks? Sure.

Wait, so not just we're not just saying cow milk. All the milks. Milk as a general. Anything a mammal creates.

Walrus milk. Plow milk. Yeah. Yeah.

Camel milk. Overbears. I also was wondering, I'm curious what you think about this. Is salt of food?

No, actually, I think that this is going to be on this podcast. Oh, no. Because it's all in everything. It's all that.

And you don't turn salt into other stuff. You turn stuff into other stuff with salt. But salt is a rock. Salt is a mineral.

That's like if that were the case, water would be the most versatile food. I mean, I don't have calories. Yeah. Milk is made of water and stuff.

So in that case, cheese is made of water and stuff. Meat is made of water and stuff. But just go down to the atomic level. It's where it finally says like carbon.

Carver's. Carver's. Yeah. Definitely.

It can be each of the things. It can be salt. It can be carbs. It can be alcohol.

The other one that I forgot. I also think there's potentially an argument to be made for. I was just thinking like, what do we like? What do we grow a lot of?

What do we eat a lot of? And there might be an argument to me for soy being an extremely versatile food. Yeah. Soy and corn.

Yeah. Because those, I mean, just in terms of pure industrial uses, those go into just about everything. And like you can have a meal that is like miso glaze soy with some edamame on the side. And it's like, that's just like soy three ways.

But you would kind of look at that. Yeah. That's a meal. Whereas you can't really have like butter on cheese with the glass of milk.

Nobody's having that dinner without severe regrets at the end of the night. I can do it. I can pull this off. You can't.

I don't know that you can make like a bread out of cheese, but you can. Well, I can't. Well, I bet you can. I bet somebody has made soy bread.

Yeah. And they make soy milk. And you can like turn almost anything into a flower. You try it out and grind it out.

Seems like it these days. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to be super effective all the time.

It's like, yeah, you're soy flour. You can do something with that. It's a wild world that we live in now where we've decided to flower everything. It's like milk everything.

It's like what milks are next? I mean, I'm totally in favor of getting animals out of the process. It seems like a lot to ask of another organism to be like, Hey, I know that that's for your baby, but I'm a 42 year old man and I want to put it on a cracker. So get on into this machine.

So I'm totally in favor of figuring out other solutions to this problem. But I do wonder what we're going to milk next because I didn't see cashews coming. Yeah. It feels like we hit a lot of nuts.

What's going on left? Because a lot of nuts left. A lot of it. I want to say just because also like cauliflower has been big in the like, I'm pretending to be sure cauliflower milk sounds disgusting.

Sounds like maybe something's going to try it. Yeah. Here's how I feel. I think that we've been at cheese and milk products for longer.

Like we've got ice cream and we've got just the regular milk and we've got all the different cheeses and we've got curds and whey and I don't know what else we do with that seems like we're doing a lot. But I think that we've been working at some of these other problems for less time where we can actually turn, like I think, in my opinion, fungus is the future. I think that we're going to figure out how to make anything out of fungus. Well, there's a mushroom, milk and mushroom cheese and mushroom meat and mushroom everything.

There's been a lot of dairy substitutes in my house lately because my daughter has my young daughter has an insensitivity to cow milk protein, which means that my wife cannot consume any dairy or any beef. Otherwise my daughter will have health problems when that protein passes the breast milk. And so we've been just trying like, what's this? Is this any good?

Is this? And my wife was particularly fond of a fungus-based cream cheese substitute. She's like, this is actually pretty close. It's like, it's interesting.

Oh, it's interesting. Yes. I love that. It's so good.

It's like, we did sponsors for them on SciShow. We did a whole thing. And like they sent us some of their chicken nuggets. Yeah.

I mean, their cream cheese is better than cream cheese. It's so good. And it's like based on the fungus grows in the hydrothermal vents at Yellowstone National Bark or something. I love that.

Yeah. If we can harness fungus to make me any food I want, like what a dream. What a horrifying dream. Yeah.

Yeah. Like people sometimes wrinkle their nose and like meat grown in fat and grown in fat and like that. And I'm kind of like, no, let's do that. Sounds incredible.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm trying to figure out what time zones are in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but they don't have names on this map. Oh, there's got to be somebody who's maybe do the time zones not all have names.

Sure, they do. They must. I mean, I guess it's well, like who named them is now I'm wondering now I'm like going back and think about this is like, because it's you're covering full vertical swaps of the world. You're cutting across many countries every time you're like, this is the time zone.

Do they have the same name in other countries? Yeah. Did everyone agree? Like, yeah, yeah.

Like this is, this is what this time zone is. Right. Right. Or is it like a it's got to be like any other place name where the people in the place call it something and everybody else causes their like whatever they felt like that day.

Yeah. Lawrence is mostly like the same zone in like Western South America, right? Because that aligns like that, right? I'm not looking at a map.

So maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Eastern time zone is Western South America.

So do they call it the Eastern time zone in South America? That's a great point. What do they call it? If you're from Peru, please let me know what you call your time zone.

If you call it Eastern time, that must be so annoying. That's so mad. That's some that's some deeply annoying stuff there. Like we decided Eastern United States, everything here is to the east.

Yep. You forget how far the east South America is. Yeah. It's all over there.

Isn't China only one time zone to like they did put all of China in one time zone. Here's what we're going to do. I know it sounds wild, but we're going to go over a border and sometimes going to change by eight hours. Trivia, trivia boys here.

Three boys. Speaking of which, what do you call potato wearing glasses while it's watching a football game? What do you call potato wearing glasses? It's a spectator.

Oh, I got to like that. Thanks. You're welcome. Okay.

Let's do another question here. It's from Mark who asks Dear Hank and drop. I was surfing Google Maps. Go to sleep, Mark.

And I came across a town in rural Georgia with nearly completely circular, a nearly completely circular boundary, Homer, Georgia, zooming out and swirling around. I began to notice that in fact, there were dozens of towns in Georgia and South Carolina with circular borders. Most have slight deviations from the circle to include this or that neighborhood or a plot of land, but many retain a puzzling circularity. In my experience, this is not how we create municipal borders in Ontario, Canada.

What is what are these town centered on as a former residents of the US Southeast? Do you guys have any idea? I don't know. Did you ever live in the Southeast?

I did not ever live in the Southeast. I don't know what the place is. But I bet you can guess. Distinct boundaries and dog trees, Mark.

Do you have a guess? I have a guess that if you have a circular border, you have to be not close to other things for those circles to run into them to other towns. That is correct. So I would guess that they are probably centered on either a church or crossroads.

These are the two roads that go to our town. The town founding was here and that would probably be like a church or a crossroads or some kind of point of commerce. Where two rivers come together. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they just said everything within a certain distance from this point and mathematically defined the town, which I kind of love.

Indianapolis is actually like this, except instead of it being a circle, it's a square. And now it's like added like little bits onto the sides, just like the incorporate new area. But if you look up in the Indianapolis, I do this because my brother was there and I'm like, this is not what I would have imagined things to look like. But yeah, it's just a perfect little square.

It's beautiful. There's a nice simplicity to having like a perfect square or perfect circle as like your borders and certainly if you're trying to be like here, the borders of our town, it seems very simple on paper to be like 12 miles out from this point or whatever it is and just sort of like the Northern point is this, but it does feel like you're going to run to like rivers, mountains, other municipalities, things that are like traditionally borders of towns and that like probably you have to make adjustments for that. I've just I've just zoomed in on the very precise center of Homer, Georgia. Is it the crossroads?

And there is indeed a crossroads. You are correct. It's very clear crossroads. And the the as far as I can tell, the exact center of Homer, Georgia is about 300 feet north of the crossroads.

So I know Google Maps has just messed with me or the people who created Homer, Georgia were a little confused that day. Like they had perfect surveying equipment. So they like decided and drew the line and then they were like, yeah, yes, we're stuck with what we got. I'm guessing that most of these towns, these circular towns, I guess that a lot of them are maybe on the smaller side.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It has 1300 people.

I'm willing to bet that almost all these towns has like a field trip for third graders to go visit the center of town. Oh, yes. Or it's like there's probably some plaque there and all of these are something to sort of be like, this is it. Pretty cool.

I want to see if all of them are like this. Carneville is kind of like that. Oh, he's right. They're all like this.

It just became the way to do it. Let's see where the center of Carneville is. Oh, no, it doesn't like that at all. Never mind.

It's not going to be close to the truth. Hank, you have to go back. Google Maps just stops you. You're taking too deep.

Stop looking at a center of cars. I really love the idea that if you figure out that there's like some hidden code, that you figure out the like how far from the center of each town or something, the circle, the center of the circle actually is. This is always one of the like, like, damn brown treasure thing. Yeah.

You find the declaration of independence at the end of it or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It seems like the bones of George Washington. The fourth installment of national treasure is something. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a code hidden in small towns in rural Georgia. Oh, yeah. God. Yeah.

You just have to like, yeah. You got to get a whole new outfit. So you fit in, get a pickup truck with a gun rack on it and go around and be like, look, I'm just a guy who likes history. Yeah.

No big deal. And then at the end of it, you're like golden teeth. I found George Washington's golden teeth. I'm a millionaire.

See, they could bite through anything. That's the only thing that can stop something bad. Yeah. If you put them in your mouth, you become George Washington 10 feet tall.

We've all heard the legend, right? We've heard that legend. You put into Washington. You become George Washington.

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I understand that we get in the bath because we're literally in the water but we aren't in the water in a shower. When we talk about showers, do we mean the glass box that we stand in or the stream of water coming out of the shower head? Starting to think John might be right about baths Daphne. First of all, John's, I mean, I guess it's fine.

You can bathe whatever way you like. Are you a bather? I am not and the place I live now has no bath. It just has a shower.

So even if I was a bather, I would have no choice. I would be listening to it. Yeah. I like this question because my initial response to hearing like Get under the shower is like, that's so wrong.

Don't say that. That's not the right preposition for that. But then it is like, well, I do think that like a shower by definition has to be above you, right? Like you can't have a shower coming from any other direction.

But I think I can get in a shower and not get wet. Okay. So you're saying the shower is the fault. Because I don't because I think that you're getting in the shower.

Okay. It's the room. It's the small little room that is created for the water to be inside. Like showers of things that are not the shower, right?

Because you can have rain showers or showers of light and like that still applies to. Right. Right. This is true.

And those are outside and it's raining. Like it's a shower. It's a shower. It's a shower.

And that's which that's I'm now having a really hard time with the calling of a rainstorm a shower, which is a thing that we do. But now I don't like it anymore. I'm protesting and I don't want to. I don't want to be one particularly dirty man who's like, oh, it's a shower outside.

That's not what that is. That's a rain. You know what rain is like. Oh, no, no.

It's a shower. Yeah. I totally got it. I don't have an umbrella.

I don't need to do that. What do they say? Like light showers. I hate this now.

Why do I not like this? Now it feels like it's designed to clean you. Yeah. But I do think but also like if you if you if you if you had a shower saw and there was a shower nozzle that was coming from any direction.

But above you. If you if you went to the hotel and you went to the bathroom and it was like, here's the shower and it just like blast from the sides. I feel like that would be like, that's not a shower. That's something else.

By far the best option here is when it comes right up from the bottom. Right. Like it's just the giantest bidet. It's like all time.

It's just like we know where the problem is. This is where most of the film. It's like, it's like those things bartenders use clean glasses. You know, it's just a glass on top of this blast water.

You're just in a container. It doesn't turn on until your feet hit it. It comes so strong and so hard. You really want to stop.

I hate the shower. I feel well, is it a shower? I think it's a shower if it's in the shower. Also, you don't get you don't let us get in a shower.

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