You're listening to a Complexly podcast Hello and welcome to dear Hank and John or as I prefer to think of the dear John and Hank It's a podcast where two brothers answer your questions give you two be surprised and bring one of these news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon John Yeah, you know how an elf blows out a candle. I don't just going Why is that funny? I didn't have a joke ready. Oh, it was absurdist humor like a dadaist I don't know.
I don't think it was yeah I don't think if anything it was go Marcel Duchamp would have been doubled over with laughter I was inverting the frame of the joke by elves actually of course blowing out a candle in the only way that one could yes Yeah, this reminds me of my all-time favorite joke. It's a knock knock joke. You start it Who's there I put that joke and looking for Alaska I always thought it was such a funny joke and I first started in high school and so I thought it'd be appropriate for looking for Alaska And I cannot tell you over the last 20 years how many emails I've received for people who are like I do not get the joke Please explain the joke to me. I'm like well, I guess it doesn't work that well over text There are a number of things I regret about my previous novels But that not joke is definitely on the list no one had had gotten in touch with me before publishing a book about how mad I'm gonna be about certain parts of the book Yeah, yeah, yeah That you're really gonna want to take it back and you can't because it's out and lots people read it And if you take it back it almost makes it weird because then like once you take back one thing people are like Why don't you take back other things and you're like well because if I took back everything I regretted about the book I would not I would have to unpublish the book it wouldn't be any book left man when I rewrite that first page really oh, yeah Yeah, yeah people love it people love it well Sometimes people like stuff that you don't like and that's okay like you know ultimately the job of the book is to resonate with an audience More than it is to resonate with the author of the future So like if parts of those don't resonate with me anymore as long as they're resonating with an audience That's all that matters I was just listening to an author talk about being an author and they were talking about the the feeling of you know knowing The ways that people are gonna critique your book even before you publish it Yeah, you know like I know what people are gonna say right and like and there's like either a limitation There's a reason why I can't solve that problem or I don't want to solve the problem because I'm doing something else But you know it you're like are putting it out knowing exactly the criticism you're going to receive teenagers don't talk like that Oh, yeah, really I didn't know thanks for the info Thanks for the heads up do teenagers talk like in Romeo and Juliet with her first 14 lines or whatever are just a sonnet back and forth to each other Do I talk like that how do they talk is Romeo and Juliet bad?
Then there's the meta criticism which is fair which is did John Green just compare himself to Shakespeare? Look Shakespeare was just a man, you know or possibly several people. Oh, he was just a man But one one heck of a one heck of a writer. I don't know.
I've never never really resonated with it personally Are you serious for clarity? I definitely want everyone to interpret that as a criticism of me? Okay, there's a lack of generosity in the reader rather than a lack of generosity in the writer I like well, it's just it seems to take a lot of work. Well, it's a lot of work because it was yeah It was a different it was definitely a different time.
Yeah, so if that's your concern You should read Marlow because Marlow sounds even more dated. What's Marlow? Never change golden boy It's not what I went to school for okay clearly Marlow Shakespeare play I have not heard of that one. No, it's a writer.
It's a writer. He was a contemporary of Shakespeare Doing it back then and who got murdered in a pub? Oh, I'm right correctly. Did he get a death note?
No, I don't think so. I'm not sure how that works. Okay You probably knew it was likely I mean it's never that far away from a possibility as it hang let's move on to some questions from our listeners Let's do it. Let's start with this question from Grace who writes dear John and Hank I'm wondering why you guys don't live in the same state.
I understand John Lumsen enapolis and Hank lives near the DFTBA warehouse But wouldn't living close together outweigh these pros long term is it something you've never considered thinking about shared space grace? Well, John, I think it's very important for us to not murder each other See this is this is Hank's take all the time They'll be like the reason we can't live in the same place as that we would murder each other And what he means is that he would murder me. I Like hang a lot I could hang out with Hank like twice a week and be very happy No, I mean we hang out twice a week already and you know not in physical space. Yeah, this is one And then there's probably another you know yeah, we have a conversation twice a week That's not quite the same thing as a hang session, but I hear you agree I agree.
I thought about it I thought about especially like living in Indianapolis for like a while every year yeah, and then we could crush the amount of content that we could make Together Good for the content great for the content. I mean think about like how good retin link at it You know living in the same town as they do you know another thing that I like about this I was just thinking like Indianapolis needs the love it does I'm about to hit you with an idea here it is Are you about to run for governor of Indiana despite never having lived here? No, I'm going to move to Indiana so I could become the vice president of the United States Yes, because that's where they're all from no Especially if you don't want to become president because we had an astonishing run of six consecutive vice presidents from Indiana who did not become president That's great. Yeah, that's very Indiana.
Well, I'm a little presumptuous about Mike Pence But I do think that we can rather put him in the past category That would be a weird that would be a weird direction for the Republican party to go technically I think Dan Quay let's do a live so he could also do it. He could also run for president Yeah, I mean look we've only ever elected boomers in my life except for Obama, so that's true John yeah, the idea is is this we have people come in and we like create we create like an experience Uh-huh and then part of the experience is that like you give up you give like a little lecture downtown in Indianapolis Yeah, like an artist and writers residency where you do a public-facing thing once yeah, but then there's also like a bunch of like really nice You know other things that happen to you you do realize that this is what Sarah and I are starting right? Yeah, but I just want to make sure you knew that we were doing I didn't know that there would be a public-facing part of it Oh, but but then also I think that like it can be at a you know a thinkers and intellectuals and Sure sure sure sure sure I'm all for that I think that's a good idea mostly because it would mean that you would move to Indianapolis Which would make me very happy like I don't really want to move to Montana because of the sky-high housing prices combined with the complete Lack of inability to get anywhere other than Montana It's lovely there that can be a huge perk sometimes. Do you have non-stop in New York?
We have lots of non-stop steady or do you have non-stop stile we do do you have non-stop stile Europe? We have one non-stop to Europe. Yeah, where's it go to Dublin? I mean I know it's pretty good.
It's not bad It's pretty good that air lingers. They've got a good flight air lingers. That was lingers mean time. I think it means air air air travel Oh air language it means fleet.
Oh, so it's their air fleet that makes sense So anyway point being I would love for you to move to any nap But you're very welcome here anytime you want to full disclosure I might leave for part of the year at some point We've kind of got all of our systems set up in the places where we are, you know, that's true and deep roots I mean the real answer graces that once you have deep roots and like once you have your people it's very hard to move It's very hard to move and just locate your kids from their school and leave behind your dentist I mean I love my dentist. I don't love my dentist in fact I was like man, it's gonna be a bummer when your dentist listens to this podcast What a way to find out. I keep going back to the same dentist that I ultimately do dislike now. Okay You just shop around for dentists you really should be a dentist for you I go to whoever's available on the day.
I'm available I know what school or I would go to I you'd have a great life here and Your your cost of living would cut in half and you could fly to New York or LA anytime you want and anywhere else for that matter Yeah, but I do not trust that they will be certainly good coffee Well, there is that the coffee situation is not as good in Indianapolis as it is in Missoula, but on the upside you do own a coffee company I think and yeah, I can make it good at home, but I do I do love a nice coffee shop. Yeah, I get it I get it. We have a nice coffee shop now. We got a we got one at 54th and one oh it's quite quite nice It's just there this morning actually.
Okay, all right, so we're gonna move to the same state grace all because of you Thank you. Thanks moving to Indianapolis. This is an announcement This is a special comes from Sharice who asks dear Hank and John every night I put on chapstick before I go to sleep and when I wake up my lips are dry and chapped Mm-hmm, where does the chapstick go autumn leaves and morning do Sharice? Can I guess Hank?
Yeah, you can I think it goes into your lips I Don't I think it goes into your mouth. What what do you mean goes into your mouth? You think it crawls up and floats its way Into your mouth. Oh, can you think of another way it might happen?
No, they're tongue your tongue. Oh, you're your lips throughout the evening No way. No, that's wrong. You're sleeping you pull them in and go and like it's happened.
That's wrong I think that's what happens. Nope. I think what I will say Shari is in looking at this There are actually some ingredients in the bombs that can dry out your lips. Oh, so you want to that's how they get you It's addictive.
They always need to put on more it's a bit of a fool's game the chapstick. It can be isn't jealous So what you want to do is start out with the real basics So move from whatever is in whatever you're buying that's fancy and nice and smells good to something very simple That's just like you could just use Vaseline mm-hmm. No That one aqua for them really yeah, I like my bird's bees. Of course you do, but you know who owns bird's bees So like you do you know leaver or something enemy John?
Oh Big big lip chap Oh Chapp owns all of the big ones who owns bird's bees. I'll tell you it doesn't know that anymore is bird that guy's living the dream Oh, oh god bird's pieces owned by glorox. Is it really yeah? I thought I would have thought Clorox was owned by something else, but no Clorox is its own company with 8,000 employees worldwide Face it Oakland, California.
Oh, I didn't know that yeah, I've got 420 people there at birds So that's a sizable portion of Clorox Wow They make a lot of stuff that people use every day like a Brita water filtration system the Clorox company does yeah and formula 409 That like cleaner. Yeah, mm-hmm. They make cat litter stuff Sometimes people are like I can't believe that you're in the sock business and the household cleaning products business and the soap business and the coffee And tea business and I'm like have you googled Clorox because yeah Clorox makes Casey masterpiece the barbecue sauce and they also make liquid plumber Yeah, I don't I actually don't want that to be the same company What if there's a mix up of the factory are you guys more in the mood for sort of a hidden Valley ranch dressing or more of a pine soul Because we got both here the Clorox company What do you want some you want some glad trash bags or some Kingsford charcoal? It's good.
It's good. They got everything man. It's what they call consumables is what they make well We could be the only has their net sales up to 2020 So somebody's not on it at the Clorox company updating their own Wikipedia page They're everything 125 with seven billion dollars and if we could get good store there I think we could call it a success. We could call it a day Hank.
I don't know why we can't I just don't am I not ruthless enough I don't know what the issue is but good stores very successful in the sense that it's given over 11 million dollars to charity But it's not nearly successful as Hank and I think it should be it's a little bit like vlogbrothers in 2007 Where we were baffled that we only had 86 subscribers after 85 videos And we were all just something with vlogbrothers and maybe we're on a sum with good storage just gonna take this right But yeah, it was Clorox when it was eight years old, you know That was in like 1910 so I don't know but all your holiday needs can be met at good store where we do not sell bleach No, we don't sell the bomb Yeah, but maybe we should put my money where my mouth is and make a very simple lip balm That is a single ingredient that all that does is make sure it prevents evaporation from the lips Can you make it smell better than Vaseline Vaseline does not have a smell I mean you have never in your life Aquaphore Aquaphore does not have a smell okay, maybe I use aquaphore And there are other very low ingredient lip balms that you can try sure is is all I'm saying But I do think that as time goes on like the lip balm stuff does not evaporate I mean I don't think that it maybe it does I didn't look into this but I don't think that it gets absorbed into the body I think it does I think it absolutely gets absorbed into the skin because the skin dries out over time Yeah, but it's not it's not water. It's the lip balm stuff is very specifically I can't wait for a lip balm scientist to write in and say that you're wrong I can't wait to do this correction and honestly if you do know what you're talking about maybe we can make a product together I got Thanks, thanks get into a new business everybody look look of Coronavirus can do bird's peas What's up? What's it be called? So it's not bird's bees, but it is a man's name and an animal everybody writing your suggestions I think it's Kurt's D's Kurt's D's nuts.
Yeah, doesn't that sound like a wholesome low ingredient eco Kurt's D's nuts Where'd you get it from? Oh, I got it from Kurt's please, you know, it's not birds bees But it's actually lower ingredients and better for the environment. It's called Kurt's please Oh Man we could bring back her the punk rock nerd fighter to be the spokesperson we could we probably not never have please This we could bring him back. That's a good.
I mean, that's a deep cut. That's a 2007 cut Yeah, all right. Let's go on to this question from Caroline who asks dear Hank and John or dear John and Hank rather I just accepted a new position and we'll be working from home for the first time I have a good desk set up in our guest room, but it still doesn't feel like a workspace you two seem like work from home guys Are there any all-home office recommendations that could help me get in the work mindset home sweet Caroline? You got to get the thing that feels most worky.
Yeah, put it in a frame. Oh like a picture of your dog or whatever. No Oh, oh, let's take your printer. Yeah, exactly.
Yes Print out a picture of your printer on your printer. You can look at your printer all the time. Yeah work and be like well This is definitely a home Yeah, any accolades, you know your degree a picture of your degree anti-persed prints sure that's a good way your degree next to your degree Yeah, yeah, I make it meta I Mostly work from bed and so I'm probably the wrong person to ask about this Caroline I can transform any space into a workspace just by being anxious. I am the opposite I work mostly in the office where I am sitting right now and and it is like it feels like a Workspace to me even though it's not of course look like a traditional workspace And I think that that is simply because it is dedicated for work, which is a luxury like it's not easy right now that that And I have my fidget's is that that helps yeah, and by fidget's I mean this these nail clippers my allen wrench set 99% audio podcast Hank nobody can see you they know what nail clippers look like John.
They're not unusual nail clippers I don't I have a fantasia. I can't picture anything in my mind John when you see a tree Yeah, do you think the word tree or do you have a feeling I have a feeling of the tree? I have a feeling of the tree Okay, I'm just trying to figure out how inner monologues work because I don't have one I have an experience of the tree you don't have an inner monologue and I don't have an inner picture producer Yeah between the two of us we are pretty pretty pretty Close to the world pretty far away from being able to engage with the universe as we find it Yeah, another thing that you want to do to make your office feel more like an office is just like stuff a bunch of pantyhose full of cotton And then form it into the shape of a co-worker That's just there Yeah, you know, they're always there and eventually like you could like install like a like a raspberry pie connected to a fart sprayer Right every every like three weeks little fart and you'll be like oh my god. That's a good idea That really feels authentically like having a co-worker.
That's gonna feel just like having a co-worker Yeah, I think the other thing you can do is invite one of your friends over to work next to you from nine to five You know, just do that. Yeah, well, you don't have to do code a raspberry pie Still get the pleasure of the fart smells but without having to do any coding without all the code. Yeah, yeah But you got like a snack drawer. Yeah, I was gonna have a nice way.
I actually have a snack drawer Do you really I do maybe that would get me out of bed because I definitely don't eat snacks in bed That's one of my only rules. Let's do see what I got for you John. No, I don't look at you when we make the podcast Look at the question document turkey sticks. Oh gross.
Oh Nice actor art just in case you know just in case turkey sticks. Yeah, sure That's what our turkey stick brand is gonna be called a goods directly just in case just in case can't wait So we make turkey sticks to go along with our soap that would be amazing I'm gonna throw it out there that I don't love being in the meat business. Yeah, I'd rather not be in the meat business honestly Yeah hard hard to do well. Yeah, I think we should I like the hard pivot to lip balm though I think that's a good hard pivot what about it Would it be would it feel more like a workplace if you did like a 15 minute stand up?
You know what a stand up is John, you know, you're not record red. No, what's a stand up? I'm very like have a quick meeting where everybody's standing. Oh, you know, I go into like a person's office and there's like six people and they Like stand there and they are you allowed to sit.
Yeah, you can sit. Okay. Well, that's nice as long as you're allowed to sit I remember when I worked at book list like I would drop by someone's office and stand and they would sit and we would chat for a Minute is that a stand up? Yeah, usually it's a bunch of people get called together, but you know, it's a scheduled meeting It's just a shorter meeting.
It's a short meeting and the idea is that nobody sits to keep it brief Oh, and you can't keep it brief enough. It should it should be shorter than it is. That's the only thing I know about stand up meetings Just like sit down meetings. I've been a good stand-ups, but but you're gonna have to do this by yourself So what you're gonna want to do is like do it like happy slip where you play all the different parts of the different characters in the office Yeah, yeah, Natalie Tran used to yeah, this is so we're doing more YouTube deep cuts here for people who've been around forever But yeah, and and go around in a circle And you're gonna want to create a bunch of office personas and you can base them on like your favorite Say-com or something and go around in a circle and you're gonna talk about all the things that that everybody's gonna do that And then you're gonna record that you're gonna record that you're gonna edit it together and you're gonna upload it to YouTube And then you're gonna quit your job and become a youtuber absolutely and then you're gonna find that you wait wait a second Still working home Still need to still need to like gaze longingly into that picture of your printer Which reminds me that today's podcast is brought to you by that picture of your printer that you keep next to your desk to remind you This is work.
This podcast is also brought to you. Of course by Kurt's Fleeze Kurt's Fleeze lip mom All-natural low ingredient and today's podcast is brought to you by Indian And you know it's soon to be the hometown of Hank Green and this podcast is brought to you by everything I'd like to change in my two novels everything. I'd like to change in my two novels Not an insignificant number of things. Yeah, but you just gotta let it go man I just gotta let it go.
I mean the truth is those books will be out of print eventually anyway Look, yeah, the sun's gonna explode John Yeah, no offense, but your books are gonna go out of print before them Dear Hank and John what I've always loved about laptop computers is that you can use them immediately after plugging them in when their batteries die Why don't phones do this electricity and elephants? Aidan Aidan I love this question. This is super weird and I had never thought about it This is my favorite kind of question John. I think that it's a normal part of my life Yeah, that is there's obviously a reason but I've never even noticed it's a thing Yeah, if you're a laptop runs out of battery you plug it in and you just like turn back on and it works again Your phone runs out of batteries you plug it in and you're like some of my five to like ten minutes I'm like weird and I'm like, can I please I need to finish watching that real?
Give me that juice How I'm gonna survive for ten minutes without my binky and that's what they should do Hank You should be forced to call your phone your binky You should be that should be like a criminal offense if you don't call your phone your binky and see if that see if that affects your phone You know, it's got to be something something's gonna make this embarrassing. No, I need my little passy I'm sorry. I can't I can't go on for 30 seconds longer without my passy. Yeah, all right.
Go back Go back to what you're saying so it seems and I would love again if there's experts who know more about this But it seems that it is totally possible for a phone to do this but it requires extra circuitry So it the way that a laptop works is they can charge the battery and run the computer at the same time through that power port There's enough power coming in and the electrical system is set up in such a way that they can route that power intelligently So it doesn't overcharge the battery and it doesn't send too much power to the other thing or if the battery is done charging It can it can stop sending power to the battery and it can send it just one place They could do all this stuff and that just requires circuitry it requires systems And phones are so packed full of stuff that that circuitry isn't worth the space that it takes up in the phone For it to be able to run the whole phone from the power port and so all of the power the systems is only dedicated to getting power Into the battery and then the phone only can use electricity from the battery not from the power port Wow, I mean, that's not what I would have guessed so that is really interesting. Did you have a guess? Just because the phone's a little crankier. This is a little more temperamental.
Well, piece of crap Yeah, but that's a that's a better answer than the one I was gonna profit so very impressive I was like going to a very short not quite as good technology connections video Indeed, all right We got another question from Rachel who writes to your John and Hank when people write in for advice you sometimes talk about how none of Us are gonna be fine in the long run because eventually the Sun will die and make life on her impossible Sometimes sometimes we do do that Rachel it is kind of my my comfort answer You know, like we're gonna be okay in the long long run just in the sense that we won't be here My question is what would remain to be discovered by others if space driving alien archaeologists landed on earth long after the Sun has died But there's still be signs of former human life that would be discoverable. My name is most of the letters in archaeology Rachel YG Rachel. I have terrible news We are very likely going to be engulfed by the Sun. Yeah before it dies Yeah, so we'll become part of this Sun.
We'll get bit. We'll get baked into little bits So I made this podcast called the crash course the universe with the great astrophysicist Katie Mack and in the last episode She talks about the long-term future of the universe which also is in trouble just for the record Rachel It seems anyway, and she talks about how there's a very old star that she saw once that had a weird Chemical signature in one part of the star and how that weird chemical signature There was this paper that argued that weird chemical signature was probably a planet that the star had swallowed when it was a red giant And how like that's what's gonna be left of us is a weird chemical signature in a dying star. Yeah Ew, thanks for coming to the party I mean, it's not a bummer to you hankers it kind of to me It's not necessarily a bummer because we aren't working for forever anyway Like I guess like my ambition doesn't extend to forever my ambition really extends to now Like I'm very worried about now. I'm so worried about now I don't have time to be worried about forever I think that if I look at myself, I think that now is a kind of forever like I don't actually distinguish those things in my monkey brain I get it I get those things are different and then I am confronted with the reality that they are different that is the uncomfortable thing So this is a thing that I have with philosophy in general where I just I think that we mostly don't operate with truth in mind You know with like with like the truth of the structure of reality in mind We operate with like our biology in control where it's like, you know, I love these people and these things because I do not because of any Structures or systems are like a deep understanding But I have found a lot of joy and inspiration and connection and excitement Around the weird thing that is life and the weird thing that is humanity Yeah, and so because I have that affinity and that amazement about that very long history of chemistry that I'm part of I Am kind of loathe to think of it being finite.
I hear that and I can definitely empathize with it But I guess the reason I'm not as concerned about it being finite I mean, there's two things one is that it's very strange I mean we are the only creature probably on earth and indeed in the known universe that is finite and can conceive of infinity in a meaningful way Yeah, and can even kind of describe in infinities and describe the strangest thing of all which is that there are different sizes of infinities and so on Yeah, and just being aware just being able to think of the infinite from within a finite space is a very strange and to me lovely thing And I guess I don't need it to last forever as long as we can conceive of forever. I certainly don't need it to last forever Well, good because it ain't gonna. Yeah. Yeah, I'm comfortable with that But there's just something I think the universe is better with life and nothing without yeah There is something sad about thinking about the universe itself dying much more sad than thinking about any of us dying or thinking about even humans dying Right.
Yeah, it's not just that the universe is better with life on it right like earth is so much better with life on earth is so Blisteringly stunningly constantly alive. It's yeah, the overwhelming like process that earth is undergoing all the time And it is strange to think about that being a chemical signature inside of a dying star. Yeah, yeah Yeah, we have like a word for when individual things die and we have a word for when a species dies Yeah, but like the idea of like the whole system Dying yeah, like that's that's the big one and like it may have happened on Mars You know like we might like our solar system have made have already seen that thing it seems likely that it happened on Mars I'll be it in a less dramatic way. Maybe yeah, I'm not ready to give likenesses to it.
Maybe I am I don't know it's exciting. It's pretty exciting. This is an interesting thing to me I've gotten some feedback from folks that are just like saying hey, you know You're talking about life on Mars and that's great and everything but that's not really what we're interested in we're interested in aliens You know we're interested in right life that that like has trombones, you know so called complex life Yeah, well, it's a different thing cultural life technological life that does the things that we do and What I didn't realize that I would have to kind of make the case for why a second system of chemistry would be a very big Well, here's here's the way you made the case to me early on in the podcast that really resonated with me You were like look either it evolved in exactly the same way with DNA and RNA Which is very interesting and very strange that it would evolve separately twice with the same chemical structures or it evolved in some other way Yeah, which is very very strange and exciting. Yeah Yeah, or there's a third thing where it could have if it's Mars It could have come from Mars to earth that we are the same system or from earth to Mars and we have the same system Yeah, which is also really beautiful and exciting.
It means we're already a multi planetary system Yeah, and also like that that it isn't probably isn't difficult though This would just be kind of an end of one but it probably isn't difficult for life to travel between planets Yeah, strangely regardless all three of those possibilities are incredibly exciting Yeah, and and basically two of them would mean that life is plentiful in the universe Which is exciting in its own way and also a little terrifying but encouraging ultimately because it means that we are not alone Yeah, well, here's the here's the thing. I mean there's so many different worries here But there's there's there are people who think that it's very it would be very worrying for life to be common because it would mean that what we are is very uncommon Which means that what we are is probably very fragile. Yeah, well, I mean I already knew that Well, I actually don't like I'm not I'm not there I think that like we may be way more resilient than we think and there's there's arrows pointing in that direction But there's arrows pointing in the direction to I mean we've had about 80 years maybe where we could cause the extinction of humanity ourselves Yeah, that's not that long of a run. That's not that big of a sample size to be like we're good.
We did it We made it. We made it one human lifetime So I continue to be pretty pretty worried about our fragility. I think we are a very resilient species We've proven that over 300,000 years, but this is a very precarious situation. There's no getting around it Yeah, and I think to pretend otherwise is to lose a little bit of what's beautiful about it And also if we think that it's easy then it is more likely that we'll suffer the consequences of that, you know I mean think about it There were hundreds of millions of years of dinosaurs where there is no evidence that they meaningfully use technology Yeah, hundreds of millions of years We've been around for 300,000 years and for most of that time we use stone tools Yeah, look I actually I'm getting really interested in the extent to which we overweight the the stone tools because they're the ones that stick around Right as opposed to wooden tools and stuff there's there's wood there's there's a Huge amount of cordage and textile and fiber sure sure that stuff doesn't last sure No, we were very sophisticated, but we did not have nuclear weapons Well, no, but I think that we were kind of advancing the whole time And I think the biggest way we're advancing was communication So language didn't start like it is now, you know, it was it was evolution it had to evolve on its own as well And and possibly along with physio well definitely along with physiological changes in our bodies and probably physiological changes in our brains So that took time though that work was all done by the time that a time of the modern humans showed up.
We think yeah Um, that was done 300,000 years ago. Yeah, and I agree that we've been advancing the whole time And I used to believe that the rate of change is changing argument was ludicrous and involved a lot of recency bias I've changed that perspective over the last 10 years. I think the rate of change is changing Maybe you just get old. Maybe I'm just getting old.
You're just thinking about that rotary telephone. You were a kid I am thinking about that rotary telephone. I had when I was a kid for sure for sure Well, Hank we've spent so much time talking about the end of the world. Yes And thank you Rachel for allowing us to indulge our eschatological anxieties I spent so much time talking about the end of the world that it is now time to transition to the news from Mars and AFC Wimbledon First can we read this from Ren who says dear Hank and john, I understand Hank has made the hard pivot to balls But consider longest chains longest chain of paperclips longest chain of twist ties longest chain of zip ties Each person who visits gets to add to the chain or maybe becomes like a curtain of sorts Yeah, I love this because it's gonna have to go up and down and you like walk through it Though, though I don't know we gotta make sure that people don't vandalize our chains balls are hard to vandalize whereas chains could maybe be easier Each edition can be different color sizes people could add more than one if they like And I'm gonna add to that you gotta make a donation of partners and health to add to the chain I love it.
That's a great idea. It's a really good idea It's a million dollar idea that also would be a beautiful expression of human compassion and collaboration Yeah, I don't know someone should someone should do it. It's not gonna be me. I'm not having people over in my house It's not gonna be at my house.
No, no, but uh, but there's gotta be somewhere house somewhere where people can start out and change Well, you know what indianapolis has Hank a bunch of those rooms a bunch of abandoned Indianapolis is gonna be the world's largest ball of balls The world's largest chain of chains and the world's largest ball of balls Visit indianapolis Take that hard pivot to balls All right, john what's the news? I'm not terrible Hank. We knew that this couldn't last we knew that afc Wimbledon's amazing start to the season being in fourth place or whatever It was totally unsustainable, but also we dreamt that it wasn't unsustainable We dreamt that it could somehow be sustained as one always does, you know Hope is the thing with feathers that purges in the soul. Yeah togetherness togetherness We believed that through togetherness this was possible that we would continue on the rocket ship that only went up But it turns out the rocket ship also comes down and afc Wimbledon just lost to the worst team in league one Five to nothing what happened if anything that scoreline flattered us we played like the worst team in league one You guys lost your togetherness we lost our togetherness in a big way now some would say it's because we had a couple injuries Miles hit the lights been out of the squad of course up front maddie stevens is injured he scores most of our goals But mooh boy we looked bad we looked awful We also lost to 21st place bertenalbian which is not not a great sign either But it's still early in the season the wim the wim the wambles are still in each place and uh Hope is the thing with feathers so we continue to believe that things can turn around yeah You're only three points out of first place john.
That's true after all this we're only three points out of first place We are however out of the facup because we lost to a team in the fifth division So there's that as well. I will say everybody lost their last game Everybody on top of the table. It's true It's a very strange season in league one where like the top of the table and the bottom of the table We're not separated by as many points as we're used to yeah Which is good and sense that Wimbledon has a chance But it's bad in the sense that Wimbledon isn't actually that far away from relegation Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah You could be in seventh place and still be quite close to 20th place exactly exactly So nervy times but we persevere how's mars mars also had a little bit of a hiccup So we talked recently about the escapade mission and it was gonna launch was gonna launch Yep This is gonna date the podcast you'll see how long i don't know exactly how long it takes between what we recorded when they go live anymore Um, but the uh if if you were able to catch some northern lights recently That was because the sun went kind of nutty Oh, give us gave us a big burp and that big burp was such a big burp that they were not able to launch when they wanted to Wow. Yeah, the sun got in our way The sun was shooting out too much energy for it to be a safe time to put that way up into the air Um and that uh, it's great for us here in Montana We've had some great auroras just last night honestly I was looking at the rooms But that launch has been delayed because of that solar activity and interestingly part of the escapade mission is to see how solar wind and other space Whether it might have affected mars so uh, it is the sun's like no i don't want you to know my secrets Try to keep us here on earth But this is a concern because every every chance you miss increases the chance that you'll actually miss this whole launch window Right, and if you miss the launch window, it's like a year and a half, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you have to wait till mars and earth get close together again, right? Which only happens every once in a while. Okay, so how worried should we be? How likely is it that it'll still happen?
I don't know. I don't know. I think that we're okay right now Okay, I think as long as there's like no technical problems or no You know if the sun needs to chill out, but yeah, usually it does I've been saying that about the sun like first off stop trying to eat earth I actually I love Rachel to get into this but there is there is some thinking there's quite a bit of evidence pointing this way That the sun is exceptionally chill. Oh, yeah, no, I have heard that before As far as stars go the sun is less violent than many stars, which is another thing It's like maybe our solar system is just like real good for life Well, I mean I would argue that it's definitely real good for life But maybe it's like borderline uniquely good I would I always say borderline because one of the things I learned from katie is that 275 million stars are going to die today That's how big the universe is yeah, that's how big the universe is yeah, it's a big old it's a big old wacky universe It's a big old wacky universe.
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