85. BEN PRONK

In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Ben Pronk DSC — former Commanding Officer of the Australian SAS, co-author of The Resilient Shield, and co-host of the Unforgiving 60 podcast. Ben shares his earliest experience of leadership (surprisingly, in junior cricket), the influence of his father’s belief that “everything is figure-outable,” and why leadership is a learnable skill — not something you’re simply born with. The conversation moves through Ben’s transition from infantry to special operations, the realities of leading in complex environments, and the often-unspoken loneliness of command. Ben reflects on Afghanistan, the importance of peer support, the need for humility and vulnerability in leadership, and why certainty can be dangerous in a polarised world. Ben also discusses organisational identity and cultural transition during his time commanding the SAS, plus the role of family, stability, and relationships in shaping a meaningful life. He closes with a standout three-part guide for any leader:   Educate. Back yourself. Fail.   Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.