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THE COURAGE TO LEAD INTERVIEW SERIES
by ALLAN SICARD
KEYNOTE SPEAKER, MC, LEADERSHIP CONSULTANT AND FACILITATOR, PODCAST HOST AND AUTHOR FOR LEADERS WHO EMPOWER OTHERS TO CREATE SUPPORTIVE AND INCLUSIVE WORKPLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN DO THEIR ABSOLUTE BEST.
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95. LANA BOLAND
Police officer. Survivor. Author. Advocate. Lana Boland author of Aftershot, joins The Courage to Lead for one of the most honest and deeply personal conversations ever recorded on the podcast. Lana speaks openly about childhood trauma, policing, PTSD, leadership, ADHD, organisational culture and the long journey towards accepting herself exactly as she is. Her message is simple but powerful: "Leadership isn't about rank. It's about authenticity. It's about genuinely caring for people." This is not simply a conversation about mental health. It is a conversation about courage. It explores what happens when organisations fail to support their people, why genuine human connection matters more than ever, and how our greatest struggles can become our greatest purpose. Throughout the interview Lana reminds us that healing doesn't come from pretending to be someone else. It comes from finally giving ourselves permission to be ourselves. A remarkable conversation about resilience, vulnerability and hope. 3 words that sum up Lana: Authentic. Courageous. Unbreakable. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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94. PETER COOK
In one of the most personal episodes ever recorded on The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard sits down with his father-in-law, Peter Cook, a man who has lived an extraordinary life filled with adventure, friendship, sport, success, hardship, addiction, recovery and service to others. Just one week before this interview, Peter was diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer that had spread to his liver and lungs. Rather than retreat, he chose to share his story. Peter reflects on his childhood in Melbourne, his talented father "Mac", his sporting career as a cricketer and wicketkeeper, playing representative cricket, travelling to England in the 1960s, lifelong friendships spanning six decades, and a successful business career that saw him become one of Australia's leading flooring specialists in the hospital sector. Most powerfully, Peter shares his decades-long battle with alcoholism. After years of drinking, rehabilitation attempts and self-loathing, he found hope through Alcoholics Anonymous at age 79 and has remained sober for more than five years. Today, even while facing terminal illness, he continues to support others struggling with addiction. This is not simply a story about leadership. It is a story about redemption. It is a story about resilience. It is a story about what really matters when time becomes precious. Three words that sum up Peter's story COURAGE, FRIENDSHIPS, SERVICE Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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93. SCOTT HORWOOD
In this powerful episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard sits down with former NSW Police Sergeant and current Principal Investigator with the NSW Rural Fire Service, Scott Horwood. Just weeks after undergoing major brain surgery to remove a large tumour, Scott shares his remarkable story of resilience, vulnerability and leadership. The conversation explores: ✅ Discovering a life-threatening brain tumour ✅ The importance of asking for help ✅ Leadership lessons from policing, sport and hospitality ✅ Why tough conversations matter ✅ Building trust through authenticity ✅ Leadership during times of uncertainty ✅ The power of treating people with dignity and respect ✅ Creating capable teams instead of having all the answers This episode is a powerful reminder that leadership is not about rank or authority—it is about people. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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92. MIKE WASSING
In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Mike Wassing, Commissioner of the NSW State Emergency Service. Mike leads an organisation of more than 11,100 volunteers across 262 units, supported by over 600 staff, with responsibility for floods, storms and tsunamis across New South Wales. This conversation explores Mike’s leadership journey from under-16 cricket captain, park ranger and Country Fire Authority officer, through to senior emergency management roles in Victoria, Queensland and now NSW. Mike shares powerful insights on volunteer leadership, listening, being present, building trust, learning from mistakes, supporting people through crisis, mental health in emergency services, community resilience and the future of disaster management. His three leadership words are humility, empathy and courage — values that sit at the heart of this thoughtful and deeply human conversation. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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91. MARK LAYSON
In this deeply reflective episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Reverend Dr Mark Layson — researcher, disaster recovery chaplain, former NSW Police officer, Anglican pastor and author of The Unexpected Poison: Betrayal and Moral Injury in Your Workplace. Mark shares his remarkable journey through policing, emergency services, ministry and academia, exploring how workplace culture, leadership and betrayal can profoundly impact mental health and wellbeing. The conversation dives into: Moral injury and how it differs from trauma Why workplace betrayal can damage people more than critical incidents Leadership, psychological safety and “Just Culture” The dangers of blame cultures Organisational trust and the Edelman Trust Barometer Curiosity, accountability and self-leadership Lessons learned from emergency services and ministry The inspiration behind Mark’s groundbreaking book This is an honest, insightful and powerful discussion for leaders across every industry who want to create safer, healthier and more compassionate workplaces. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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90. ALEX GREENWICH MP
In this compelling episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard sits down with returning guest Alex Greenwich MP to explore leadership under pressure. Alex shares his deeply personal journey over the past three years, including the impact of public attacks, mental health challenges, and the turning point that came from asking for help. They discuss the importance of stability in leadership, working across differences, and staying focused on outcomes that genuinely help people. Alex also reflects on the role of kindness in leadership, the reality of political life, and why vulnerability is a strength, not a weakness. This episode is a powerful reminder that leadership isn’t about having all the answers—it’s about courage, compassion, and continuing when it would be easier to stop. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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89. ROB ROGERS
In this episode of The Courage to Lead, Allan Sicard sits down with former NSW Rural Fire Service Commissioner Rob Rogers. Rob reflects on 45 years of service, including leading through Australia’s most devastating bushfire season. He shares insights into crisis leadership, organisational transformation, and the complexity of decision-making in high-stakes environments. From managing 100+ simultaneous fires to navigating COVID challenges across a 70,000-strong volunteer workforce, Rob offers practical leadership lessons grounded in experience. Now in retirement, he’s embracing new challenges—learning to fly and redefining life beyond leadership. This episode is a powerful exploration of Resilience Humility Learning the true nature of leadership. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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88. KATE BAKER
In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with former NSW Police sergeant Kate Baker, founder of The Kind Rebellion and author of Staying Kind in an Unkind World. Kate shares her journey from hospitality to policing, her mission to improve relationships between police and the queer community, and the leadership lessons shaped by exceptional mentors and challenging environments. This episode explores the power of kindness in leadership, the importance of team culture, and the courage required to pivot when personal capacity is reached. A must-listen for leaders seeking to build resilient, inclusive, and high-performing teams. KINDNESS, COURAGE, CRAFT Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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87. KYLEE DENNIS
In this powerful episode of the Courage to Lead interview series, Allan Sicard speaks with Kylee Dennis, Director of Two Face Investigations, forensic romance scam investigator, author, and winner of Micro Business of the Year 2025 at the Women Changing the World Awards in London. Kylee shares her remarkable leadership journey — from growing up in a policing family, to serving as a detective and negotiator in some of NSW’s toughest policing environments, to navigating the deep personal loss of leaving a career she loved. The conversation takes a moving turn as Kylee explains how her mother becoming the victim of a romance scam in 2023 reignited her sense of purpose and led her to establish Two Face Investigations. Drawing on her policing, investigative and negotiation experience, Kylee now helps individuals and families identify romance scams, understand offender tactics, and escape the devastating emotional and financial damage these crimes cause. This episode is a deeply honest conversation about leadership, identity, reinvention, service, resilience, and turning pain into purpose. If you want to hear what authentic leadership really sounds like, this is an episode not to miss. Be you. Give things a go. Stay curious. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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86. AMANDA DAVIES
In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Professor Amanda Davies, PhD — currently based in Dubai, leading research acceleration with Dubai Police and supporting policing curriculum at their academy. Amanda shares how a single opportunity (sparked by supportive leaders and family) led her from Charles Sturt University and the NSW Police Academy in Goulburn to senior academic leadership roles in Abu Dhabi and Dubai. Amanda explores the power of mentorship, how inclusive leadership means listening to the people closest to the work, and why informed decision-making matters — especially in high-stakes policing environments. She reflects on earning credibility as a non-police academic in policing settings, leading as a woman in predominantly male environments, and the importance of checking how communication lands across cultures and languages. This is an inspiring conversation about service, courage, and the quiet leadership choices that change lives — including your own. 3 words to describe Amanda's leadership style: Thoughtful Courageous Generous Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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85. BEN PRONK
In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Ben Pronk DSC — former Commanding Officer of the Australian SAS, co-author of The Resilient Shield, and co-host of the Unforgiving 60 podcast. Ben shares his earliest experience of leadership (surprisingly, in junior cricket), the influence of his father’s belief that “everything is figure-outable,” and why leadership is a learnable skill — not something you’re simply born with. The conversation moves through Ben’s transition from infantry to special operations, the realities of leading in complex environments, and the often-unspoken loneliness of command. Ben reflects on Afghanistan, the importance of peer support, the need for humility and vulnerability in leadership, and why certainty can be dangerous in a polarised world. Ben also discusses organisational identity and cultural transition during his time commanding the SAS, plus the role of family, stability, and relationships in shaping a meaningful life. He closes with a standout three-part guide for any leader: Educate. Back yourself. Fail. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Professor Anthony Burke—architect, educator, broadcaster and TV presenter—about leadership, purpose, and human connection. Anthony shares his philosophy of “leading from the middle,” lessons from studying at Columbia University in New York, and how great leaders hold opposing ideas in balance. He reflects on setbacks, resilience, and the discipline of reflection through running and meditation. Anthony also reveals why he landed major TV roles: he didn’t perform to the camera—he connected with people. A powerful conversation on curiosity, courage, and building a life driven by purpose. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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83. DEB WALLACE APM
In this deeply powerful episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Deborah Wallace APM — one of Australia’s most respected policing leaders. From frontline policing to organised crime, from tragedy to reform, Deb shares extraordinary insights on leadership, integrity, community safety, and resilience. This conversation explores authentic leadership beyond rank, the power of listening, and the human moments that define great leaders. An essential episode for anyone passionate about courage, service, and making a difference. COURAGE COMPASSION LEGACY Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard speaks with Debbie Lee, owner and publisher of Ginninderra Press and Festival Director of Melbourne Jewish Book Week. From her childhood instinct to protect the kid being left out, to her early days as a book rep, to inheriting Ginninderra Press from its founder Stephen Matthews, Debbie’s story is all about connection. She shares how she builds strong networks across the publishing world, champions First Nations and social justice stories, helps an 81-year-old survivor bring a lifelong secret to light, and supports advocates tackling gambling harm and homelessness. Debbie also reflects on identity, antisemitism, and hosting Israeli–Palestinian peace-builders in an era of deep division. This conversation is a powerful reminder that leadership can simply be the courage to Connect, Include and Listen. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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81. MATT LAHOOD
In this episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, I sit down with Matt LaHood, founder and real estate CEO of The Agency. Matt shares how his leadership was shaped by his parents — a father who brought thongs to Australia and a mother who backed him to take courageous risks — and by giants like John McGrath and John Symond. We explore how he built an “attraction business” where people queue to join, why he believes you “can’t coach care,” and how he spots and supports team members with “black clouds” over their heads. Matt opens up about difficult conversations, rejection, retention, and doing the right thing every time. This is leadership with Heart, Consistency and Courage. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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80. MICHELLE HUNTINGTON
Captain Michelle Huntington — pilot, author of Lady MacGyver, and breast-cancer survivor — shares how curiosity, preparation, and mentoring forged her leadership. From conquering air-sickness by teaching the lesson to ferrying a Beechcraft across the Pacific with a 750-kg fuel bladder and a syringe-fed oil hack, she shows why you must “fly one hour in a thousand different ways.” As a 737 Captain she led with questions, analogies, and trust, proving that checklists and compassion can coexist. Her three beacons: don’t take “no” as final, choose the hard reps, and treat every person as significant. This is a blueprint for staying calm when the air gets bumpy — in the cockpit and in life. This conversation is about: COMPASSION, PREPARATION, KINDNESS Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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79. HUGH BRASHER
The Humanity of Hugh Brasher: Leading the World’s Greatest Marathon with Heart In this episode, on The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Hugh Brasher — CEO of the TCS London Marathon — shares his deeply human approach to leadership. From growing up as the son of Olympic and tennis champions to leading one of the world’s most inspiring events, Hugh reveals the values that guide him: curiosity, humility, and compassion. He reflects on learning from mistakes, leading through values, and uniting communities through sport. His message is clear — togetherness beats competition. This is a story of humanity, courage, and what it truly means to lead. This conversation is about: Togetherness. Curiosity. Humanity. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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In this powerful episode of The Courage to Lead, Allan Sicard sits down with Ally Kelly, Founder and CEO of MindBlank, to explore how early intervention and prevention can transform mental health outcomes. Ally shares her personal journey from carer to changemaker and explains how MindBlank’s innovative interactive theatre empowers people to “Spot, Share, and Refer” before crisis strikes. Through lived experience and practical wisdom, she shows how leaders, teachers, and workplaces can hold space for others and build resilience through empathy and awareness. This is a conversation about Prevention. Compassion. Empowerment. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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77. GARY GROVES
From a shy 14-year-old questioning how newspapers were delivered to leading Australia’s largest digital youth mental health platform, Gary Groves’ story is a masterclass in courage, curiosity, and compassion. In this episode, Gary reveals how vulnerability became his greatest strength — transforming command-and-control leadership into collaborative, evidence-based change. From the frontline of policing to shaping national reform, he shows that real leadership isn’t about knowing all the answers — it’s about asking the right questions. This is a conversation about courage, curiosity and compassion. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book Listen now to The Courage to Lead Podcast and explore more stories of leaders who are redefining courage into action, empowering others to create supportive and inclusive workplaces where people can thrive.
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The Courage to Lead: From Ten Pound Pom to Triple G — The Extraordinary Life of Gillian Whan OAM In this warm and inspiring episode, Allan Sicard sits down with Gillian Whan OAM — nurse, migrant, political campaigner, radio announcer, theatre stage manager, historian, grandmother, and great-grandmother. Gillian’s story spans a wartime childhood in rural England (including the day she saw Winston Churchill), her migration to Australia as a “Ten Pound Pom” aboard the Orontes, and her early nursing career in Canberra. She shares vivid memories of campaigning with her husband Bob Whan, alongside Gough Whitlam in 1972, bringing to life one of the most transformative moments in Australian politics. Her life has been one of service and participation: leading the Woden Valley VIEW Club, broadcasting for community radio, reading for the vision-impaired, managing stage productions, and later preserving local history in Sydney. Family is at the heart of Gillian’s story — from her children Stephen and Susan to her grandchildren Lachie (“Triple G”), Maddie, Georgie, and Jamie, and her great-granddaughters Harriet and Elizabeth . This is a conversation about resilience, adaptability, and never being a bystander — a masterclass in leadership, community, and love across generations. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book
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Leading with Empathy, Humanity, and Competence: Erin Longbottom on Healthcare for the Homeless. In this powerful episode of The Courage to Lead, Allan Sicard reconnects with Erin Longbottom, Nurse Unit Manager of the Homeless Health Service at St Vincent’s Hospital Sydney. Erin shares her transformative leadership journey since stepping into the role in 2016, building a comprehensive street-based outreach model that serves Sydney’s most vulnerable populations. From assertive health care for people sleeping rough to navigating the trauma of a deeply religious upbringing, Erin speaks candidly about her purpose, pain, and passion for justice. This episode dives into the real-world impact of intergenerational trauma, why systemic empathy matters, and how Erin grew her team from one nurse to a multi-disciplinary powerhouse supporting people on the margins. A must-listen for leaders committed to equity, compassion, and sustainable change. Erin 3 pillars of Leadership are: ✨ Empathy ✨ Humanity ✨ Competence This episode isn’t just about homelessness — it’s about leading a movement for equity, one courageous act at a time. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book
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“From Redfern to Reform: Belinda Hughes on Courageous, Compassionate Leadership” 📄 Episode Summary: In this powerful episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, Allan Sicard sits down with Belinda Hughes—current Executive Director Legal for the Papua New Guinea Independent Commission Against Corruption—for a raw, inspiring, and deeply human conversation about leadership, resilience, and integrity. Belinda shares her extraordinary journey from her early days as a probationary constable in Redfern, to becoming a trailblazing prosecutor with Strike Force Raptor, and eventually taking her skills and values to the international stage. Along the way, she opens up about navigating motherhood in the police force, studying law while raising a daughter, and leading major cultural change in some of the most complex environments in Australia and the Pacific. With warmth and candour, Belinda reveals how she broke down barriers—sometimes literally with a netball team—and challenged the status quo with intelligence and heart. 🔑 Key Themes Discussed: Leading without rank: her first experience of real leadership as a junior constable Creating innovation and cultural change within police, transport, and regulatory agencies The importance of mentorship, authenticity, and ‘prosecuting nicely’ How she built trust in PNG through connection, culture—and netball Why emotional intelligence is a leadership superpower Whether you're an aspiring leader, a seasoned professional, or just in need of a fresh perspective, this episode will leave you reflecting on what it truly means to lead with courage and compassion. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book
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A Life of Service and Leadership: Danny Doherty’s Courage to Lead In the latest Courage to Lead Interview Series, I spoke with recently retired Detective Superintendent Danny “Dasha” Doherty, whose remarkable 40-year career in the NSW Police culminated in commanding the Homicide Squad. Reflecting on his journey, Danny shared how his formative years, shaped by a caring teacher and challenging family life, instilled early lessons in trust and leadership. A true servant leader, Danny’s career spanned undercover operations, major crime squads, and leading complex homicide investigations. He spoke powerfully about Winston Churchill’s words, “We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give,” which guided his life of service. Danny reminded us that resilience, trust, and staying true to yourself are non-negotiable traits for leaders under pressure. He credited his wife Jane, his love for music, and his team for keeping him grounded through tough times—including the loss of a colleague and confronting organised crime. 🔊 Listen now to learn how leadership can be about lighting other candles while keeping your own flame burning bright. His story is an inspiring testament to courage, compassion, and the power of leading with heart. through the concept of gratitude. This is truly a different way of approaching leadership and creating a team of leaders around you. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM. The Courage to Lead - The Book
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In this episode of The Courage to Lead, Belinda Sinclair, National Sales Director at Domain Australia, shares her journey of values-based leadership in a high-performance, highly competitive industry. From being promoted two weeks before maternity leave to leading with gratefulness, Belinda explores the power of trust, feedback, and building diverse teams. She opens up about setbacks, strategic growth, and how accountability and care can—and must—coexist. A masterclass in modern leadership, this episode is for anyone striving to lead with integrity, courage, and humility. 🔊 Listen now to learn how leadership can be created through the concept of gratitude. This is truly a different way of approaching leadership and creating a team of leaders around you. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM.
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In this episode of The Courage to Lead, Deputy Commissioner Ben Millington shares his inspiring leadership journey from surf lifesaving as a teenager to leading operational coordination for NSW Rural Fire Service. Ben reflects on key lessons from policing in tough communities, coordinating crisis responses during the Black Summer fires and COVID, and driving reform in Queensland. With honesty and humility, he highlights the power of persistence, team trust, and listening deeply. A must-listen for leaders navigating high-stakes environments and complex change. 🔊 Listen now to learn how leadership in high stakes environments and more importantly how to prepare yourself to be the best leader you can be. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM.
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🎙 Navigating Leadership in Crisis Situations: Jamie Caldwell’s Leadership Journey In this powerful episode, we sit down with Jamie Caldwell, Director of Energy Operations in New South Wales, to explore what it means to lead through complexity, uncertainty, and crisis. Jamie shares his insights on why leadership is less about technical know-how and more about human connection, trust, and adaptability. He reflects on the challenges of operating in a rapidly evolving energy sector, the impact of shifting political landscapes, and the importance of continuous learning. From working alongside local politicians to managing diverse energy sources and ensuring equitable access, Jamie highlights the critical role of collaboration and communication in effective leadership. We dive into the importance of fostering strong team dynamics—through open dialogue, recognition, and one-on-one connection—and how these values shape a resilient and motivated workforce. The episode culminates with Jamie’s account of the Broken Hill electricity outage, a real-world crisis response that put leadership principles to the test. He walks us through the challenges of coordinating a statewide response, the importance of community resilience, and the need for strategic, calm decision-making under pressure. Whether you’re leading a team, navigating change, or preparing for the unexpected, this episode is packed with wisdom for leaders at every level. 🔊 Listen now to learn how leadership in crisis is built on connection, clarity, and courage. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM.
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69. PROFESSOR PAULINE BOSS
This interview by Allan Sicard on The Courage to Lead Interview Series with Professor Pauline Boss, author of Loving Someone with Dementia, looks at what our futures will be like. 1 in 2 women, and 1 in 3 men over 85, in the western world will experience dementia. The scary part is that the carers of dementia are currently dying quicker than the people with dementia. This interview and her book provides insights and valuable tips on how to navigate this challenging journey for both ourselves and our loved ones. The interview should also act as a level of awareness for leaders in any workplace, as the role of caregiver, amongst our employees will become more and more prevalent, and how do workplaces deal with this new challenge. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM.
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This interview by Allan Sicard on The Courage to Lead Interview Series explores what is really meant by Gender Equality with a true expert in the field Professor Cordelia Fine. This is the 2nd time Cordelia has been on our podcast(see Episode 36). She is described as a 'living legend' researcher in this field with her books on the subject having the following descriptions : ‘Ten books about women that will change your life’ (Sunday Times), '22 books women think men should read’ (Huffington Post), ‘Top 10 books on women in the past 30 years’ (The Australian) and the New York Public Library’s Essential Reads on Feminism, 100 Years After the 19th Amendment, among others. Her latest book titled "Patriarchy Inc" seeks to shift the dial from something we need to do in a business sense to the concept of well-being for everyone. As our responsibilities grow we have periods in our lives that we step in and out of paid work for care giving responsibilities as parent and as a carer, for partners, parents and relatives. It is unfathomable that women should be the only care givers. As the baby boomers age, 1 in 2 women over 80 and 1 in 3 men over 80 will suffer from dementia. A lot of people will be parents to their children and carers to their parents. Care giving will potentially be a greater activity than paid work. Gender equality is getting lost in economic framing. Equality and inclusion is about a fairer and more just society for everybody. It really is that simple and something we should all embrace and consider what our workplaces will need to be like to accomodate our care giving responsibilities. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM.
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This interview by Allan Sicard on The Courage to Lead Interview Series delivers a story with a twist on leadership. As we hit the golden age of 40 + we bring with us a level of wisdom and capabilities that we didn't possess when we were younger. This is the story of leadership from Aneace Haddad, A C-Suite Coach who unlocks the potential of C-suite teams. Aneace introduces "joyful rejuvenation" as a proactive embrace of change and transformation. As individuals age, their resilience increases, allowing them to approach challenges with joy and curiosity rather than fear. He observes that leaders often default to a directive style, akin to parenting, which can infantilise team members. He advocates for empowering others, where leaders act as supportive guides rather than authoritative figures. The conversation concludes with the importance of joy in the workplace. Aneace highlights that when leaders embody fun and positivity, it sets the tone for the organisation, inspiring creativity and collaboration. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM.
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66. MICHELLE O'KEEFFE
This interview by Allan Sicard on The Courage to Lead Interview Series delivers a story that we do not see that often. A CEO and a Company that genuinely puts their people first and from that building an amazing culture and a profitable business. This is the story of leadership from Michelle O'Keeffe, CEO of Engaging.io a technology business in North Sydney that recently placed in the top 10 workplaces for the Great Place to Work Australia in small businesses for 2024-5 and ranked in the top 3 for Technology business. Michelle O'Keeffe emphasised the importance of helping employees achieve their career goals, even if it means they move on to other opportunities. This open and supportive approach to employee development is a cornerstone of their culture. Imagine working for a company that supported you in this way. Another great focus that Michelle and her team have is if clients put pressure on staff to work 24/7, after hours and on weekends Michelle will push back on the client and advise them that's not they do business. We will work hard for you Monday to Friday in business hours and provide you with an excellent outcome - that's why you chose us. How many bosses will do that for their staff. Is it any wonder their is a waiting list for Engaging.IO to work there. There are always prospective staff knocking on the door wanting to work for Michelle and her team. This is truly a story about leaders putting people first and what comes from that. We need more stories and more leaders like Michelle O'Keeffe and Engaging.IO. A special thank you for Great Place to Work Australia for highlighting that these type of workplaces exist and are more than possible. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM.
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65. PETER OVERTON
This interview by Allan Sicard on The Courage to Lead Interview Series delves into the captivating journey of renowned Australian journalist Peter Overton, exploring his path from school leadership to pivotal career moments like the Thredbo disaster, while emphasising the values of authenticity, mentorship, and teamwork that have shaped his distinguished career. By embracing early leadership opportunities, seeking mentorship, recognising and appreciating others, staying true to oneself, and building strong connections, aspiring leaders can navigate their own paths to success. Peter's insights serve as a testament to the power of values, resilience, and the impact of supportive relationships in achieving personal and professional growth. Follow Allan Sicard on Linkedin, Instagram and ALLANSICARD.COM
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64. Wayne Larden
Wayne Larden is the Event Director of TCS Sydney Marathon presented by ASICS - The 7th Abbott World Marathon Major. This interview by host Allan Sicard is the second interview with Wayne Larden on The Courage to Lead Interview Series, with the first interview over 3 years ago, before the Sydney Marathon entered the qualifying process for it to become an Abbott World Marathon Major, next to the cities of Tokoyo, London, New York, Chicago, Boston and Berlin. This is the story of how Wayne Larden and his team at Pont 3 turned a passion for marathon running and major events into Sydney becoming a World Major Marathon, putting Sydney and Australia on the world stage. The link to the first interview with Wayne Larden is here. Follow Allan Sicard on LinkedIn and at ALLANSICARD.COM
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63. REBECCA MOULYNOX
**The Power of Leadership: Insights from Rebecca Moulynox** In today’s fast-paced corporate world, the essence of effective leadership is often overshadowed by metrics and bottom lines. However, Rebecca Moulynox, General Manager of Great Places to Work Australia and New Zealand, reminds us that true leadership is about creating environments where employees feel valued, trusted, and engaged. Rebecca’s journey into leadership began with her own experiences in the workplace. She recalls her first true leader at Bunnings, who demonstrated the importance of empathy and care. This leader not only recognised the fears of his team but also took the time to nurture their growth. His approach left a lasting impression on Rebecca, shaping her belief that leadership is fundamentally about caring for people. Throughout her career, Rebecca has encountered both inspiring and challenging leaders. These experiences fuelled her passion for improving workplace culture. She emphasizes that leadership is not just about authority; it’s about fostering trust and creating a sense of belonging. “If you trust the people you work for, your whole opinion of the organization changes,” she asserts. This belief is at the core of Great Places to Work’s mission, which aims to help organizations cultivate environments where employees thrive. One of the most compelling stories Rebecca shares is about a man who transformed his life by seeking employment at a certified Great Place to Work. After enduring a toxic work environment, he found a new role where he was appreciated and supported. The positive impact on his mental health and family life was profound, illustrating how a great workplace can ripple through personal lives and communities. Rebecca’s insights into leadership are invaluable. She advocates for three key principles: adaptability, empathy, and humility. Leaders must be flexible, understanding that change is a constant. Empathy allows leaders to connect with their teams on a human level, while humility fosters an environment where everyone feels empowered to contribute ideas and learn from mistakes. In a world where many leaders fall short, Rebecca Moulynox stands out as a beacon of what effective leadership can achieve. By prioritizing employee engagement and fostering a culture of trust, she exemplifies the profound impact that great leadership can have—not just on organizations, but on the lives of individuals and their families. As we navigate the complexities of the modern workplace, her message is clear: leadership is a privilege, and it’s our responsibility to honour it.
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62. AMELIA ADAMS
In a recent episode of the Courage to Lead podcast, I had the privilege of speaking with Amelia Adams, a senior reporter for 60 Minutes Australia. With years of experience covering high-stakes global events, Amelia’s career has been marked by a commitment to powerful storytelling, resilience under pressure, and an unwavering curiosity about the world. What struck me most, however, was how her leadership philosophy transcends journalism and offers valuable lessons for anyone in a leadership role. The Power of Storytelling in Leadership At the heart of Amelia’s approach to journalism is the belief that storytelling has the power to change perceptions and create understanding. But Amelia emphasises that storytelling in journalism isn't just about presenting facts. It’s about elevating the voices of those often ignored or marginalised, providing a more nuanced and complete picture of complex issues. For Amelia, leadership in journalism—and in any field—means assuming the responsibility of amplifying diverse perspectives. This involves not only telling the stories of those at the center of major events but also of those on the periphery whose experiences are often overlooked. During the U.S. elections, Amelia noticed how many voters felt ignored and unheard by the political system. By giving these voices a platform, she helped shed light on the emotional undercurrents driving the political landscape. This ability to connect with everyday people and listen to their stories, she argues, is an essential leadership trait. “Empathy is key,” Amelia says. “By building authentic relationships and listening with an open heart, you can create a space for trust and honest dialogue.” Resilience: The Cornerstone of Leadership In an industry as demanding as journalism, resilience is a non-negotiable trait. “Resilience is not about perfection,” she explains. “It’s about adapting, learning from mistakes, and continuing to move forward, even when things don’t go as planned.” In Amelia’s view, resilience is a learned skill—one that is built through experience, failure, and perseverance. A leader must embrace setbacks as learning opportunities and use them to improve and grow. Curiosity: Fuelling Growth and Innovation Amelia’s curiosity is one of the driving forces behind her career. This relentless curiosity has been central not just to her success as a journalist, but to her growth as a leader. Leading Through Change Amelia’s career is a testament to the power of embracing change. From small-town reporting to covering international events, Amelia has always been open to new opportunities, even when they come with uncertainty. For her, leadership is about navigating transitions with courage and adaptability. “Seize opportunities,” Amelia advises. “Growth happens when you step outside your comfort zone.” Kindness: The Unsung Leadership Quality In the fast-paced world of journalism, where high-pressure situations are the norm, it’s easy to become hardened. But Amelia insists that kindness is a crucial leadership trait—one that is often overlooked in demanding fields. “Kindness is a strength,” she says. “In high-stakes environments, it’s easy to become detached or cynical, but leading with compassion creates trust and fosters loyalty.” Final Thoughts: Leadership is a Journey Amelia’s conversation on Courage to Lead was a powerful reminder that leadership is not a destination—it’s a journey. It requires resilience to navigate challenges, curiosity to drive growth, kindness to foster loyalty, and empathy to build trust. The best leaders, Amelia suggests, are those who inspire others while lifting them up along the way. True leadership is about empowering those around you to achieve their potential, not just your own success. As Amelia’s career demonstrates, when we lead with empathy, resilience, curiosity, and kindness, we build not just successful careers but meaningful, lasting legacies.
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61. MARK COYNE
Mark Coyne, the former CEO and current Executive Director of Employees Mutuals Limited (EML). Mark’s journey from professional footballer to business leader Key Lessons and Insights: Leadership in Sports and Business: Mark’s first true experience of leadership came from his time as a professional footballer with the St. George Dragons. He learned the importance of doing the basics right and the courage to lead from the front. Overcoming Adversity: Mark shared a powerful story about being dropped from his team and how he turned that setback into a comeback through hard work and accountability. Transitioning Careers: Moving from sports to business wasn’t easy, but Mark’s dedication to mastering the basics and his willingness to learn from others helped him succeed. Building a Great Workplace: EML was recognised as one of the top ten workplaces in Australia. He emphasised the importance of creating a supportive and inclusive environment where employees feel valued and connected to a common purpose. Connecting with Your Team: Mark believes in the power of personal connections. He makes it a point to understand his team members’ motivations and challenges, fostering a positive and collaborative culture. Resilience and Hard Work: Success, according to Mark, comes when hard work meets opportunity. He encourages aspiring leaders to be prepared for when opportunities arise and to embrace challenges as growth opportunities. Curiosities and Personal Stories: Introverted Leader: Despite his public roles, Mark considers himself an introvert. He shared how he overcame his discomfort with public speaking through thorough preparation and practice. Family and Work Balance: Mark’s approach to leadership includes recognising the importance of employees’ lives outside of work. He organises family events to create a fun and inclusive atmosphere, which in turn fosters loyalty and engagement. Mentorship: Mark is a strong advocate for mentorship. He believes in seeking advice from multiple mentors and adapting their strengths to fit one’s own style.
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60. REIKA PHUNG
Some quotes from our interview with Reika Phung. We need more leaders like this in our workplaces, so everyone and that means everyone has a great place to work. "To be a strong leader, you've got to drive ego out of the equation as much as possible because the essence of leadership is that its actually about everyone else and not about you." "The key thing for me in terms of my relationship with people in my team is to really get to know them, not just understand who they are at work but also who they are at home." "You’re not frightened of having people with better skills than you? Because that’s for the team, not for you, but you’re part of the team."
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59. TANYA TAYLOR - MAYOR OF WILLOUGHBY
In this next episode of The Courage to Lead Interview Series, we talk to the newly elected Mayor of Willoughby Council, for her 2nd Term, Tanya Taylor Community Engagement in Queenstown, Tasmania Growing up in the small, isolated community of Queenstown, Tasmania, had a significant impact on Tanya's values and sense of community. Her experiences in such a close-knit environment shaped her understanding of the importance of community engagement and support. Transition to Event Management Tanya's career in event management began when she worked for a professional conference organiser in Sydney, managing large international events. Despite her success, she felt a lack of fulfillment, prompting her to seek more meaningful community involvement. Starting a Business and Navigating Challenges Tanya started her own business to explore different types of events, including film premieres and product launches. She identified a gap in the market and started a recruitment business to connect freelancers with businesses needing staff during peak times. However, the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) and the birth of her third child brought significant changes. Personal Experiences with Disability Tanya's son, Daniel, has cerebral palsy, and her experiences as a mother have deeply influenced her leadership style and commitment to community service. She emphasises the importance of advocacy and support for families in similar situations. Impact of COVID-19 on Community Work During the COVID-19 pandemic, Tanya was seconded to the grants team at the City of Sydney, where she transitioned from seeking sponsorship for events to distributing grants. This shift allowed her to work with food relief organisations and provide business grants to support local businesses. Compassionate Leadership Tanya's leadership style is characterised by compassion, courage, and creativity. She emphasises the need for leaders to be empathetic, take bold actions when necessary, and think innovatively to drive positive change. Key Takeaways: Compassion:** Show empathy and understanding towards others, especially in challenging situations. Courage:** Be willing to take bold actions and make difficult decisions when necessary. Creativity:** Think outside the box and find innovative solutions to problems. Communication and Transparency Tanya practices sharing social media updates after council meetings to enhance transparency and ensure that the community understands the council's decisions and actions. Managing Burnout Tanya acknowledges the importance of maintaining a work-life balance for mental health and family well-being. She emphasises the need to prioritise relationships outside of work and take mental health breaks when needed. Continuous Learning Tanya pursued a degree in community development at 47 years old, highlighting the importance of continuous learning for effective leadership. Conclusion Tanya Taylor's journey into leadership and her experiences as the Mayor of Willoughby offer valuable insights for aspiring leaders and community advocates. Her commitment to community building, advocacy for disability support, and compassionate leadership style serve as an inspiration for others. By embracing early leadership experiences, seeking fulfillment in meaningful work, advocating for important causes, and maintaining a work-life balance, you can make a positive impact in your community and beyond. Key Takeaways: Embrace your roots and early experiences to shape your leadership journey. Seek fulfillment in work that aligns with your values and passions. Advocate for causes that are important to you and build support networks. Practice compassionate leadership and transparent communication. Prioritize work-life balance and continuous learning for personal and professional growth.
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58. BREDA MCCAGUE
Key Takeaways with Breda McCague From Curious Girl to Trailblazing Leader: Breda’s journey began with a childhood curiosity about the military, leading her to become a leader in both the defence forces and the corporate world. Her story is a testament to the power of curiosity and determination. First Leadership Roles and Challenges: Breda shared her early experiences in leadership, starting as a corporal and quickly rising to officer. She was the first female officer in her unit, facing challenges like unconscious bias and loneliness. Her insights into these experiences are both eye-opening and inspiring. Military vs. Corporate Leadership: We delved into the differences between military and corporate leadership. Breda highlighted how the clear hierarchy in the military contrasts with the fluidity of the corporate world, offering unique perspectives on leadership dynamics. Emotional Intelligence is Key: Breda emphasised the importance of emotional intelligence in leadership. She believes that many leaders are promoted based on technical skills but lack the interpersonal skills needed to truly inspire and connect with their teams. Overcoming Unconscious Bias: Breda’s journey was marked by overcoming unconscious bias and proving her capabilities despite societal expectations. Her determination to advocate for diversity in leadership is truly motivating. The Role of Music in Leadership: Did you know Breda has a passion for music? She shared how joining a show band to support herself through college not only honed her performance skills but also provided an emotional outlet. Music, she believes, is a powerful tool for emotional expression and stress relief. Vision Boards and Manifestation: Breda’s use of vision boards to manifest her goals is a fascinating part of her story. During the COVID-19 lockdown, she turned to vision boards to reignite her hope and take action towards her dreams. Mentorship and Empowerment: One of the most touching parts of our conversation was Breda’s story of mentoring someone who was struggling to find their path. Her guidance helped transform their life, showcasing the profound impact of mentorship. Advice for Young Leaders: Breda’s advice to young leaders is to be brave, courageous, and bold. She encourages confronting fears and taking action despite feeling afraid, reinforcing that courage is a skill that can be developed. Pursuing Passions at Any Age: Breda’s journey of rediscovering her love for music by joining a rock band at 40 is a reminder that it’s never too late to pursue your passions. Joy and fulfilment should be prioritised at any stage of life.
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57. ISAIAH DAWE
This next episode of The Courage to Lead is truly special as I had the honour of interviewing Isaiah Dawe, the CEO of ID Know Yourself, a non-profit organisation dedicated to mentoring Aboriginal young people in and out of home care and the child protection system. Isaiah’s story is nothing short of inspiring, and I can’t wait for you to hear it. Here are some intriguing moments from our conversation: Leadership from Humble Beginnings: Isaiah attributes his first true experience of leadership to an Aboriginal elder he called his "foster pop." This elder’s teachings about discipline, hard work, and making good choices left a lasting impact on Isaiah. The Power of Kindness A pivotal moment in Isaiah’s life was when a classmate showed him genuine care during a difficult time, igniting a spark in him to extend that same kindness to others. Resilience in the Face of Adversity Despite facing disconnection and mistreatment in foster care, Isaiah found solace in sports and the bond with his younger sister, adopting the mantra, "it’s you and me against the world." Self-Care and Balance Isaiah candidly shares his struggles with self-doubt and the importance of self-care, including physical exercise, meditation, and connecting with his cultural roots. Transformative Mentorship Isaiah’s organisation has supported over 250 families, emphasising the importance of creating a supportive environment where young people can thrive. From Foster Care to Leadership Isaiah’s journey from being taken from his family at two months old to becoming a leader and mentor is a testament to his resilience and determination. Cultural Reconnection Discover how Isaiah reconnected with his cultural identity and the profound impact it had on his life and work. Stanford Experience Learn about Isaiah’s life-changing experience at Stanford University, where he studied non-profit executive leadership on a full scholarship. I heard recently the power of education, once you have it (education) it cannot be taken away from you. Isaiah’s story is a powerful reminder of the impact of community support and the importance of small acts of kindness. His journey from foster care to leadership is a call to action for all of us to support and uplift those around us. A great quote at the end of the interview from Isaiah: "If there is hope in the future, there is power in the present." Zig Ziggler I hope you find this episode as inspiring and thought-provoking as I did. Tune in to hear more about Isaiah’s incredible journey and the valuable lessons he has to share. Listen to the full episode here.
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56. JOHN FOONG
In the latest episode of the Courage to Lead Interview Series, I had the pleasure of speaking with John Foong, Chief Commercial Officer and Managing Director of Agent Experience at Domain Group. With an impressive background that includes roles as the Global Head of Account Management and Customer Engineering for Uber in San Francisco, and Global Director of Partner Sales and Strategic Alliances at Google in California, John shared his unique approach to leadership and team engagement. Foundation of Leadership: Lessons from Family John's first true experience of leadership was shaped by his father, who moved from Malaysia to Australia seeking a better life. His father’s leadership style focused on creating an environment that allowed John to grow without imposing his values. This early lesson taught John the importance of setting the right conditions for growth and allowing individuals to choose their own paths. Earning Trust in a Competitive Environment John emphasised that in today’s world, leaders need to earn their followers' trust daily. In a competitive job market, employees have the option to work elsewhere, often for equal or greater pay. Therefore, it’s crucial to create an environment where they feel valued and engaged. Talent Management in a Competitive Marketplace John’s time at Stanford and Google taught him that Silicon Valley operates as a talent marketplace. Companies must create conditions that attract and retain top talent. At Google, management effectiveness is taken seriously, with regular surveys assessing leadership performance. Responding to Feedback When John first became a manager, he realised that being friendly wasn’t enough. Feedback revealed that he wasn’t having meaningful career conversations with his team. He took steps to improve by scheduling regular career discussions and using templates to guide those conversations. Creating a Psychologically Safe Workplace John highlighted the significance of psychological safety, a concept he learned during his time at Google. Research shows that teams thrive when members feel safe to express their thoughts and ideas without fear of judgment. Balancing Competition and Camaraderie John believes that the best workplace cultures combine a drive for performance with a sense of enjoyment and appreciation. At Domain, social committees and events foster connectivity among employees, contributing to a fun and engaging workplace. Building and Maintaining Professional Relationships John shared how reaching out to his network helped him during career transitions. Even distant connections were willing to provide insights and guidance, highlighting the importance of networking. Mentorship and Career Guidance Throughout his career, John has benefited from supportive managers and mentors. These relationships have provided valuable guidance during pivotal moments, helping him navigate career transitions and make informed decisions. Conclusion John Foong’s insights on leadership and talent management offer valuable lessons for leaders at all levels. By creating an environment where employees feel valued and engaged, fostering psychological safety, and building strong professional relationships, leaders can drive performance and create a positive workplace culture.
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55. GEMMA ACTON
In the latest episode of "Courage to Lead", I had the pleasure of speaking with Gemma Felicity Acton, Director of News Operations for Seven West Media. Since taking on this role in June 2024, Gemma’s career has spanned both finance and media, giving her a rich perspective on leadership. Her journey is not only remarkable but also filled with hard-earned lessons—complete with a few battle scars along the way. Authentic, credible, and deeply compassionate, Gemma’s story offers invaluable insights for leaders at all levels. Here are the key takeaways from our heartfelt conversation: 1. Seize Opportunities Without Overplanning “Don’t plan too much; seize the best opportunities in front of you.” Gemma shared this advice, which she received early in her career during a job interview. This mindset helped her navigate roles across finance and media, ultimately leading her to her current leadership position. Her message? Stay open-minded, take calculated risks, and let opportunities guide you—even if they don’t fit into a rigid plan. 2. Early Leadership Lessons Shape Your Style Gemma’s leadership journey began at a young age when she became a house captain in primary school. This experience taught her valuable lessons about navigating different opinions and emotions. Her advice to aspiring leaders? Seek leadership roles early on, reflect on those experiences, and use them to craft your own unique leadership style. 3. Recognise and Recover from Toxic Environments After facing a toxic work environment, Gemma took a well-needed break to rebuild her confidence. She stressed the importance of recognising when a workplace becomes harmful and taking time to recover and recharge. Supportive leadership and a strong personal network were instrumental in her career success, highlighting how crucial it is to lean on friends and family during tough times. 4. Open Communication is Key For Gemma, effective leadership means fostering an environment of open communication. She keeps her office door open—literally and figuratively—encouraging her team to share their thoughts and concerns. Curiosity also fuels her leadership, as she believes every conversation has the potential to teach something new. "Everyone has something to teach you that you didn’t know until you speak w ith them," she says. 5. Balancing Work and Personal Life Balancing professional and personal life is a core value for Gemma. She and her husband share both childcare and job responsibilities equally, showing that partnership and communication are essential. A strong support network at home allows her to be fully present at work and enjoy her personal life without compromise. Golden Quotes from the Episode Some of my favourite quotes from Gemma in this interview include her reflections on the importance of support from family and partners: On becoming National Director of Channel 7 News: “When I stepped out and talked to my husband about it, I thought, you know what? That would be a really great thing to work on—just making sure that this is a terrific newsroom to work in.” Final Thoughts Gemma's journey offers valuable lessons in leadership, resilience, and the importance of compassion. By embracing opportunities, overcoming challenges - relying on your support network of work colleagues, friends and family, fostering open communication, and prioritising well-being - aspiring leaders can navigate their careers with confidence and purpose. Through that strong foundation, create a great place to work for their teams and organisations.
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54. JANA PITTMAN
Welcome to "Courage to Lead," where we explore the power of resilience and leadership through compelling stories. In today’s episode, we’re thrilled to have an extraordinary guest—Jana Pittman. From Olympic athlete to medical professional and devoted mother of six, Jana embodies the essence of perseverance and empathy. Join us as we delve into her inspiring journey, uncovering how she navigated the demanding worlds of sports, medicine, and motherhood. We’ll discuss her early leadership experiences, strategies for managing burnout, and the critical role of self-preservation. Jana shares how her personal challenges have fueled her empathy, turning hardships into strengths. Whether you’re seeking guidance on leading with compassion, overcoming obstacles, or balancing multiple roles, Jana’s insights offer actionable advice and a beacon of hope. Get ready to be inspired and empowered as we uncover the lessons from a true trailblazer. This is an episode you won’t want to miss!
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53. KYLEA TINK MP
Kylea attributes her first true experience of leadership to being the oldest of four children. Growing up in a small town in New South Wales, Australia, she was often expected to step up and help care for her siblings. This early responsibility instilled in her a sense of duty and the belief that if something was broken, she should work to fix it. Kylea's upbringing in Coonabarabran, a small town with a population of around 3,000, was marked by a strong sense of community. Her parents were involved in local initiatives, teaching her the importance of contributing to the community. This collective effort mindset has been a cornerstone of her leadership style. Despite her fond memories, Kylea felt a strong desire to leave her hometown at 18 to seek new opportunities. This decision was driven by her need for personal growth and new experiences. Kylea candidly shares her experience of failing her first year at university, which led to her suspension. This moment of failure became a turning point, prompting her to reflect on her true passions. Encouraged by her grandmother, she shifted her focus to studying communications, which ultimately set her on a successful career path. Kylea discusses her belief in seizing opportunities, even when they come with uncertainty. She recounts her decision to join the McGrath Foundation after the passing of Jane McGrath, emphasising the emotional connection she felt to Jane's story and the mission of the foundation. Kylea explains the unique role of breast care nurses, which the McGrath Foundation aims to support. These nurses provide essential guidance through the healthcare system, making a significant difference in the lives of patients and their families. Kylea is a strong advocate for gender equality and emphasises the importance of including women in leadership roles. Kylea shares her experiences with community politics, particularly concerning the Australian Electoral Commission's proposed changes to electoral boundaries. She expresses concern about the potential abolition of the North Sydney seat, which is currently held by a woman. In response to Allan's question about advice for those wanting to follow in her footsteps, Kylea offers three key pieces of guidance: 1. Self-Reflection: Take the time to understand what truly motivates you and what you want to achieve. 2. Build Relationships: Identify key players in your field and engage with them to learn and grow. 3. Embrace Opportunities: Be open to saying yes when unexpected opportunities arise, even if they don't align perfectly with your initial goals. Kylea's journey exemplifies the courage to lead with both heart and head. Her experiences highlight the importance of resilience, community engagement, and the need for leaders who are willing to challenge the status quo. As she continues her work in parliament, Kylea remains committed to fostering a more equitable and sustainable future for all Australians. Her story serves as an inspiration for aspiring leaders to embrace responsibility, seek new experiences, and advocate for meaningful change in their communities.
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Informal Leadership: The Foundation Anna's leadership journey began in university, where she often found herself nominated to lead committees and social initiatives. * Seek Opportunities: Look for informal leadership roles in your community or workplace. These roles can provide valuable experience and help you develop essential leadership skills. * Focus on Impact: Concentrate on the positive impact you can have on others, regardless of your title. Leadership is about influence, not authority. Overcoming Imposter Syndrome When Anna was offered her first formal management position, she experienced feelings of imposter syndrome. * Seek Mentorship: Find mentors who can provide guidance and support. Their experience can help you navigate the challenges of leadership. * Continuous Learning: Invest in management courses and personal development to build your confidence and skills. Recognising and Building on Strengths Anna discusses her shift from traditional leadership approaches to a strengths-based model. * Identify Strengths: Use tools like StrengthsFinder or CliftonStrengths to identify the strengths of your team members. * Align Roles with Strengths: Restructure roles to align with individual strengths, enhancing performance and job satisfaction. Navigating Pushback and Resistance Implementing new strategies often comes with pushback, particularly from those accustomed to traditional methods. * Use Evidence: Present research and case studies that support the benefits of a strengths-based approach. * Emotional Resonance: Highlight the positive impact of focusing on strengths, as people are more motivated when their strengths are acknowledged. Embracing Continuous Learning and Resilience Learning from Challenges Anna reflects on the challenges she faced during her leadership journey, including moments of doubt and frustration. * Seek Support: Identify and connect with your "green apples" for encouragement and validation. * View Failures as Opportunities: Maintain an optimistic outlook and view failures as opportunities for learning and growth. Educational Background and Positive Psychology Anna's educational background, including her coaching and management courses, has significantly shaped her leadership philosophy. Her introduction to positive psychology provided her with practical strategies to implement within her team. * Invest in Education: Pursue courses and certifications in positive psychology and leadership to deepen your understanding and application of these concepts. * Encourage Autonomy: Foster a sense of choice and autonomy within your team, allowing them to test various strategies and find what works best. Launching a Leadership Practice During a Crisis Anna launched her practice coinciding with the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. * Be Adaptable: Embrace change and be willing to adapt your strategies to meet new challenges. * Support Well-Being: Prioritise employee well-being, especially during times of crisis, to maintain a motivated and engaged workforce. Writing "Strong" and Future Projects Creating a Leadership Playbook Anna's book, "Strong," emerged from her desire to share practical strategies for leaders. * Share Your Knowledge: Consider writing a book or creating content to share your leadership insights and strategies with a broader audience. * Plan for the Future: Develop a vision for future projects that can continue to provide value and support to leaders. Advice for Aspiring Leaders Anna encourages listeners to seek out their champions—individuals who believe in a better way of leading and creating thriving workplaces. * Build a Community: Surround yourself with like-minded individuals who can support and inspire you on your leadership journey. * Prioritise Well-Being: Focus on creating an environment where your team can thrive, leading to better outcomes for the organisation.
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51. TANYA KUNZE
Courage to Lead: Insights from Tanya Kunze on Leadership, Resilience, and Success In the latest episode of the "Courage to Lead" interview series, Allan Sicard sits down with Tanya Kunze, a global keynote speaker, author, TV anchor, podcast host, and neuroscience-based coach. Tanya's journey from Johannesburg to becoming a recognised leader in enablement is nothing short of inspiring. This blog post delves into the key themes and insights from the interview, offering actionable advice and detailed explanations to guide listeners and readers alike. Early Leadership and Independence Tanya's first experience of leadership dates back to her school days. She describes herself as a natural leader, a trait that aligns with her DISC profile as a Dominance and Influence (DI) type. This early inclination towards leadership was evident when, at the age of 14, she decided to earn her own pocket money. She confidently walked into a clothing store and asked for a job, demonstrating her fierce independence and entrepreneurial spirit. Embracing Change and Taking Risks One of the most significant and gutsy moves in Tanya's life was her decision to relocate to Australia with her 12-year-old son. Within three weeks, she packed up her life in Johannesburg and moved to a new country, driven by a desire for a better future. This move required immense courage and adaptability, qualities that have defined her career. Building a Diverse Skill Set Tanya's career is a testament to the power of a diverse skill set. Starting with a passion for psychology, she ventured into various industries, gaining deep insights into different business functions. Her journey led her to business coaching and neuroscience coaching, where she combines her understanding of human behaviour with business acumen. Aligning Thoughts and Feelings Tanya emphasises the importance of aligning thoughts and feelings to achieve physical and emotional well-being. She delves into the concept of energy vibration, explaining how positive energy can attract positive outcomes. This holistic approach to success is a cornerstone of her coaching philosophy. Overcoming Self-Doubt and Judgment Throughout her career, Tanya has faced self-doubt and judgment. However, she has learned to embrace her unique journey and experiences, using them to build a successful career. Her story is a powerful reminder that everyone’s path is different, and success often comes from embracing your individuality. Conclusion Tanya Kunze’s journey from Johannesburg to becoming a global leader is filled with valuable lessons on leadership, resilience, and success. By taking initiative, embracing change, building a diverse skill set, aligning thoughts and feelings, and overcoming self-doubt, Tanya has created a remarkable career. Her story serves as an inspiration for anyone looking to lead with courage and make a meaningful impact. Key Takeaways: * Understand and leverage your natural leadership style. * Embrace change and take calculated risks. * Continuously learn and build cross-functional expertise. * Align your thoughts and feelings to attract positive outcomes. * Overcome self-doubt by embracing your unique journey. By following these insights and actionable advice, you can navigate your own path to success with confidence and resilience.
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50. SAPPHIRE PARSONS
In the latest episode of the Courage to Lead interview series, Allan Sicard sits down with Sapphire Parsons, a senior workplace lawyer at Macpherson Kelly. Sapphire's impressive accolades include being named the Best Young Lawyer in Australia for under 35 in 2023 and winning the 2023 Lawyers Weekly Under 30 Award for Workplace Health and Safety. This interview delves into Sapphire's journey, her experiences of leadership, and her unwavering commitment to creating safe workplaces for everyone. Early Leadership and Founding the Bond African Students Association Sapphire's first true experience of leadership came during her time at Bond University on the Gold Coast. In 2011, she and her friends founded the Bond African Students Association to represent African students on campus. As the first president, Sapphire played a crucial role in establishing the organization and advocating for the needs of African students. Growing Up in Zimbabwe Sapphire's multicultural background, with roots in Zimbabwe, Greece, and Mozambique, has significantly influenced her worldview. Growing up in Zimbabwe, she experienced a blend of cultures that shaped her understanding of diversity and inclusion. Sapphire's Alter Egos Sapphire shared an intriguing aspect of her personality: her alter egos. She uses different personas, such as Sophia for family, Yosef for her nerdy, bookworm side, and Sapphire for her professional self. This approach helps her navigate different aspects of her life effectively. Advocating for Safe Workplaces Sapphire's commitment to creating safe workplaces, particularly for women, stems from her personal experiences and the challenges she has witnessed in her community. She emphasises the importance of courage and bravery in advocating for change. Overcoming Personal Challenges Sapphire credits her resilience to the support she received from friends, family, and mentors. This network played a crucial role in helping her navigate difficult situations and pursue her goals. Career in Law and Union Advocacy Sapphire's career journey includes working with trade unions and advocating for workers' rights. Her experiences in union advocacy provided her with a deep understanding of workplace issues and the power of collective action. Practical Advice for Creating Safe Workplaces Sapphire advises starting with a clear vision of the desired work environment and understanding the legal requirements that support it. Using the law as a tool to protect oneself and others is crucial in creating safe workplaces. Conclusion Sapphire Parsons' journey is a testament to the power of resilience, community support, and unwavering commitment to social justice. Her experiences and insights offer valuable lessons for anyone looking to create safe and supportive workplaces. By embracing cultural diversity, building strong support networks, and leveraging legal frameworks, we can all contribute to a safer and more inclusive work environment. Actionable Tips * Build Representation: Advocate for representation and inclusivity in your workplace or community. * Embrace Diversity: Leverage your cultural background and personal experiences to foster a more inclusive environment. * Develop Support Networks: Surround yourself with supportive individuals who share your values and goals. * Understand Legal Frameworks: Educate yourself on the legal requirements and protections related to workplace safety. * Be Courageous: Have the courage to advocate for change and challenge the status quo. By following these tips and drawing inspiration from Sapphire's journey, we can all take steps towards creating safer and more supportive workplaces for everyone.
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49. ASHA BHAT OAM
🌟 Leadership Lessons from Childhood: A Journey with Asha BHAT AOM 🌟 In a recent conversation with Asha BHAT, I was captivated by an inspiring childhood memory that profoundly shaped her leadership journey. As a young girl, Asha won a competition and navigated public transport in India, alone to bring her prize home. This early experience, coupled with her defiance of traditional gender roles, laid the foundation for her lifelong determination to empower women. It's fascinating how our early experiences can mould our leadership styles and drive us to challenge societal norms. 💡 Financial Turnaround and Strategic Acumen When Asha took the helm as CEO of the Southern Aboriginal Corporation in Western A, the organisation faced a daunting $500,000 debt. Through strategic restructuring and governance improvements, Asha steered the corporation to financial stability. Her adeptness in securing investments and minimising interest payments showcases a strategic approach that ensures long-term sustainability. Asha's story is a testament to the power of smart financial decisions in nonprofit leadership. 🌏 Migrant Experiences and Cultural Adaptation Asha's journey as a migrant from India to Australia is truly inspiring. She shared her initial struggles with cultural shock and employment challenges, facing prejudice and stereotypical judgments. Yet, her resilience and open-mindedness helped her adapt to the Australian way of life. Asha's story emphasises the importance of continuous learning and empathy in navigating new cultures and building meaningful connections within the community. 📧 Email Communication and Emotional Intelligence Asha provided valuable insights on managing email communication as a leader. She emphasises the importance of assessing the necessity of immediate responses and crafting factual, unbiased replies. Separating emotions from written correspondence is crucial, as it impacts the conveyed message. Her approach to communication, combined with emotional intelligence, has significantly influenced her leadership style, ensuring clear and professional interactions. 🚀 Funding Challenges and Mentoring Future Leaders Securing and effectively implementing funding is a constant challenge for organisations. Asha discussed the intricacies of grant applications, highlighting the need for thorough recruitment, community consultation, and risk mitigation. Moreover, Asha is passionate about mentoring the next generation of leaders, particularly women and young girls. Her commitment to nurturing young talent within her community is a powerful reminder of the importance of investing in future leaders while balancing the demands of leadership and self-care.
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48. TERRI MARTIN
Today, I'm thrilled to share with you a truly enlightening conversation I had with Terri Martin, the head of corporate training at the National Institute of Dramatic Arts (NIDA), based at the University of New South Wales. The Genesis of Leadership: A Tale of Early Responsibility My chat with Terri began with a question I pose to all my guests: "What is your first ever true experience of leadership?" Terri’s response took us back to her 15-year-old self, working at Harris Farm Markets in Brisbane. To her surprise, she was soon asked to become a supervisor, a role that brought with it a weighty responsibility for someone still navigating high school and extracurricular activities like gymnastics. This early brush with leadership was a revelation for Terri. It showcased a recurring theme in her life: others often recognised her leadership potential before she did. This formative experience laid the groundwork for her understanding of leadership as an innate ability to manage, inspire, and take on responsibilities, even when they seemed overwhelming. From Checkout to Corporate Training: A Career of Compassion and Challenge Terri’s journey from the checkouts to the head of corporate training at NIDA is a testament to her resilience and adaptability. Her story is not just about climbing the corporate ladder; it's about the human connections that shaped her along the way. One such connection was with an elderly gentleman she met on her bus rides, whom she befriended and assisted out of sheer kindness. This relationship highlighted Terri’s innate leadership quality: the ability to recognise and respond to the needs of others. Empathy in Leadership: Balancing Professional Boundaries Throughout our conversation, Terri emphasised the importance of empathy in leadership. She candidly shared her experiences of transitioning into leadership roles and the lessons learned along the way. One powerful example was her role in facilitating a positive change in team dynamics at a previous organisation. By fostering open communication and understanding between two conflicting teams, Terri witnessed a significant cultural shift, underscoring the impact of effective leadership on team cohesion and organisational success. The NIDA Chapter: Leading with Creativity and Purpose Terri’s role at NIDA is a blend of her passion for creativity and her expertise in leadership. She described a new partnership with the Sydney Swans a large, successful,National Australian Football Club, where she is helping train their staff to be better communicators and have more presence. It's clear that Terri thrives in environments where she can bring creativity to life and make a tangible difference in people's professional skills. Reflections on a Diverse Career: The Power of Resilience Terri’s career has been anything but linear. From her time at Presentation Studios, which looks after TED Talks, to her impactful work at Youth Off The Streets, she has navigated various sectors with grace and determination. As a sometimes single mom, Terri also opened up about the challenges of balancing her career with family life, highlighting the support of her mother and the necessity of prioritising what's truly important. Embracing Imperfection: Advice for a Fulfilling Life As our conversation drew to a close, Terri imparted a piece of advice that resonated deeply with me: let go of the pursuit of perfection. She urged listeners to embrace "good enough" and to be gentle with themselves. It's a reminder that in our quest for success, we must not lose sight of our well-being and the joy of the journey. Final Thoughts: Creativity as a Leadership Tool Reflecting on Terri’s story, it's evident that creativity is not just an artistic endeavour; it's a vital component of leadership. As Terri so beautifully put it, being surrounded by creativity nourishes the soul and provides the courage to face judgment and turn visionary ideas into reality.
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47. LEE COOPER
My conversation with Lee Cooper, Senior lecturer Center for Social Impact University of New South Wales, was a great example of Empowering Leadership. Lee's journey is a testament to the power of resilience, trust, and the willingness to learn from every experience. The Formative Influence of Selfless Service Lee's story begins with a powerful example set by his grandfather. His grandfather's leadership through his unwavering commitment to caring for his wife with rheumatoid arthritis. This act of selfless service left an indelible mark on Lee. His grandfather's example shaped his understanding of what it means to lead with dedication and compassion. Despite not passing year 12, Lee's path led him to a fulfilling career in youth work and community development. His reluctance to engage in academic pursuits and fear of exams contrast sharply with his current role as an education academic. It is a surprising twist that often astonishes those who have known him for a long time. A Journey of Empowering Leadership and Resilience My conversation with Lee took us to Horsham, Victoria, where he began his transformative work as a youth outreach worker. There, he faced the challenges of supporting young people grappling with mental illness, addiction, and the justice system. Lee and his team's innovative programs, such as adventure-based initiatives and all-ages music festivals, were pivotal in empowering these individuals. The Evolution of Empowering Leadership After Horsham, Lee's career progression led him to Canteen, the cancer organisation for young people. There, he learned the nuances of managing a team and the state office, including the Northern Territory. He candidly discussed his initial feelings of incompetence and the journey to finding his footing as a leader. Lee became a great example of empowering leadership. He was a leader who could empower his team and foster a culture of trust and development. Lee's personal struggles and the subsequent downward spiral were a turning point. By seeking support and focusing on self-care, he reversed the spiral. He created a safer, more authentic workplace environment. His story of vulnerability and growth is a powerful reminder of the importance of self-awareness. Self awareness is a crucial factor in leadership. Trust as the Cornerstone of Empowering Leadership Throughout our discussion, the theme of trust emerged as a cornerstone of empowering leadership. Lee reflected on the importance of maintaining trust, even when past experiences might encourage a leader to become guarded. He shared insights on how mistrust can filter through an organisation. Alternatively, a position of trust can foster a more positive and empowering environment. Embracing Education and Critical Thinking Lee's decision to pursue higher education later in life, starting with a master's degree at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS), was a pivotal moment. It was a conscious choice to challenge his self-imposed limitations and to add a new dimension to his leadership capabilities. His success in academia, including a second master's degree in creative intelligence and strategic innovation, is a testament to his determination and intellectual curiosity. The Impact of Teaching and the Joy of Contributing Now, as a senior lecturer, Lee finds joy in contributing to the growth of his students and takes pride in the impact he can have on their future. His transition from a large organisation to an academic institution has come with its own set of challenges and rewards. Lee's curiosity and commitment to finding value in every experience have remained constant. Conclusion: A Career of Curiosity and Fulfilment Lee's advice to pursue a career of curiosity and to appreciate the learning opportunities in each role is a valuable lesson for us all. Lee's growth as a leader, and his passion for teaching are sources of inspiration for anyone looking to make a difference in the world.
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46. REBECCA PINKSTONE
From Bridge Housing to Homes New South Wales: Embracing New Challenges Transitioning from the CEO of Bridge Housing to the helm of Homes New South Wales was a significant move for Rebecca. She shared with me the mixed emotions that accompanied this change. While she cherished her time at Bridge Housing, the opportunity to establish a new division in government dedicated to housing was too compelling to pass up. Rebecca's passion for making a tangible impact in the housing sector was evident as she spoke about the potential of her new role. The Art of Leading Change Leading change is no small feat, and Rebecca's approach is both thoughtful and strategic. She emphasised the importance of viewing change as an opportunity rather than a threat. This mindset is crucial when considering the diverse perspectives and reactions that change can elicit. Rebecca's leadership is grounded in the understanding that collaboration and clear communication with stakeholders like Minister Rose Jackson and Michael Tidball, head of the Department of Communities and Justice, are key to addressing the housing crisis effectively. Family Support: The Foundation of Success During our conversation, Rebecca opened up about her family life, expressing gratitude for the unwavering support from her husband, Tom. His transition from the community and justice sector to primary school teaching was a testament to the couple's commitment to open communication and negotiation. Balancing family responsibilities with a demanding CEO role requires a strong partnership, and Rebecca's story is a powerful example of that. Addressing the Housing Crisis: A Multifaceted Approach The urgency of the housing crisis was a recurring theme in our discussion. Rebecca stressed the importance of creating a "burning platform" to drive change and the need for policy settings and community engagement to address local challenges. She shared success stories of housing developments in Riverwood and regional communities, highlighting the importance of environmentally friendly and accessible housing designs. Collaboration with local councils, particularly the City of Sydney, has been instrumental in supporting social and affordable housing developments. Rebecca pointed out the productivity link between affordable housing and the workforce, emphasising the need to prevent cities from becoming gentrified by ensuring that government and community housing partners can deliver affordable homes. Defining Affordable Housing and Its Future Impact A key part of our conversation centered on the definition of affordable housing and its implications for individuals and future generations. Rebecca clarified that affordable housing should not consume more than 30% of an individual's income. She underscored the distinction between the financial burdens of mortgages versus rent, advocating for affordable rentals to alleviate financial strain. Building a Supportive Work Culture and Maintaining Work-Life Balance Looking ahead, Rebecca's goals for the next two years include fostering a strong organisational culture at Homes New South Wales and creating a supportive work environment. She's committed to gathering staff feedback through pulse surveys and actively working on the results to enhance the workplace. I wrapped up our conversation by acknowledging the sacrifices leaders like Rebecca make. Her dedication to her professional responsibilities, coupled with her commitment to her family's well-being, is a delicate balance that she navigates with grace and determination. Rebecca Pinkstone's story is a testament to the power of passion, collaboration, and resilience in driving societal change. As we concluded our discussion, I was left with a deep appreciation for the complexity of her role and the impact she's making on communities across New South Wales.
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