#99 Burned Out Lawyers To Bold Coaches: Messy Life Advice For Mom's & Women Who Want More

Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Everything’s Messy Podcast, I sit down with two bold, brilliant, and beautifully messy women—Tovah Kopan and Rielly Karsh, hosts of the We Go Boldly podcast. 🎙️ I was lucky enough to be on their show recently (which was filled with so many laughs), and today I get to welcome them into my messy corner of the world.Both Tovah and Rielly started their professional lives as practicing attorneys, only to realize that climbing the ladder wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. 🧠💼 Tovah opens up about following the traditional checklist—law school, marriage, kids, career—and how walking away from it all (including her marriage) led her to healing, coaching, and ultimately a thriving, empowered life after breast cancer. 💪🎗️Rielly shares her own detour-filled path: from studying psychology to working at Child Protective Services on the Arizona-Mexico border, to law school, and then crashing into burnout while working in corporate finance. She talks about finding herself again through art, politics, therapy (lots of therapy!), and eventually becoming a coach, advocate, and proud messy mom. 🖌️👩‍👦Together, they tell the story of how they met (not on Tinder, but it’s funnier to pretend), and how one text—"Wanna start a podcast?"—launched a deep friendship and full-blown business. The We Go Boldly podcast was born out of a need to explore why women were disproportionately affected during the pandemic, but quickly grew into something bigger—something transformational. 🚀We talk about the pressures of traditional success, how soul-crushing it can be to "make it" only to realize you don’t want to be at the table you worked so hard to reach. We unpack the heavy question kids get asked—"What do you want to be when you grow up?"—and why a better one might be, "How do you want to help the world?" 🌍💡From law to leadership, boundaries to burnout, perimenopause to people-pleasing, we cover it all. Rielly and Tovah get real about setting boundaries (or learning how!), honoring your needs, and redefining success through the lens of authenticity and self-trust. 🛑➡️❤️They also share how their podcast grew into a coaching business and how they’re now part of the amazing Power Moms Network, supporting other women who are ready to shake things up. Whether you're running for office, raising a family, or figuring out your next chapter, this episode is for you. 🗳️👑🔥So grab your coffee cake (or something stronger) and tune in. Let’s normalize the mess, celebrate the strength, and turn our trauma into power. Because as we all agree—the mess makes us funny... and fierce. 😘💥Find out more about these powerhouse women at www.goboldlyinitiative.com, follow them on social @goboldlytogether, and definitely check out their podcast We Go Boldly! 🎧