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We were feeling generous. I feel more generous in spooky season than I do during like the holidays. I know, it's like it's just that kind of season. It's the most wonderful time of the year.
But it's because it's okay. It's true, so I'm feeling very giving. So you're talking to us about what today? Well, speaking of spooky season, we're gonna talk about the origins of our Halloween.
What? And how it began with Sowin. Which... Sam Hain.
Which looks like Sam Hain. And honestly, Sam Hain sounds spookier. For some reason doesn't Sam Hain sound like a spooky celebration. Sam Hain, to me, personally sounds super spooky, but I think Sowin sounds like spooky.
Sam Hain, I've heard it so much because people often pronounce that. I think I've attributed it with spooky season so much that I like it threw me off when I realized it wasn't pronounced that way. I get that. But it's pronounced Sowin.
So that's something for everybody to know. And let's just chat about it. We're just gonna chat about some of like, you know, where it came from, some of the traditions, how it became what we know it today in America, especially... So this all kind of began.
It's obviously a pagan holiday. And it would begin with like the druids. And the druids were kind of rad. I mean, a lot of people are like, but didn't they sacrifice humans?
But like, a lot of religions did. Yeah, I mean, and, you know, there's a lot of like, I feel like there's a lot of misconceptions. It was often the times. It certainly was often the times.
I wouldn't say that. They wouldn't do it today. Yeah, no. I don't think so.
But what druids were, were they were like a mishmash of things? Like, they weren't just religious leaders. They were scientists, scholars. I mean, they were like community leaders.
They were a mix of everything. Like anything you can think of. They wore many hats. Hair stylists.
Exactly. Hair stylists, I'm sure. I'm sure. But yeah, they wore many hats, many hairs, you know, wigs.
Now we're going to go back 2000 years ago. We're back. So we're going to take a little hop back. That's all.
So this is when Celtic people in Europe, and this was what we know to be Ireland, Scotland, the UK, like some, some of the pieces of Northern Europe. That's what we're really talking about. They celebrated the end of the harvest season in the start of a new year with a festival called... Sowin!
And this translates literally to summer's end. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So their year was divided into four big holidays back then.
And Sowin marked November 1st, which was the beginning of winter. And this is when Chick got really rough, and they had to bring livestock closer to home. Some of their animals weren't going to survive during the winter. I mean, they had harvest those crops.
They had to get everything ready for it because it was kind of like the end of the world, basically. I was going to say like some of them weren't going to survive through the winter. Well, you just... Yeah, they didn't know.
They were going to survive. So this really was like a dark time. And it's the end of the year in the beginning of a new one. So it was a duality of death in rebirth.
Because the deaths of the year and the death of the year into a rebirth of a new year, but also the death of harvest season in the beginning of a harsh cold winter. Right. So it was all mixed duality of death and rebirth. The Celtic year was divided into two parts.
Okay. There's the dark part of the year and the light part of the year. The spooky part of the year. The deck.
So the year, the Celtic year was also kind of like punctuated by four fire festivals. They also had solstices and equinoxes, which were about, you know, the long days and short days. So obviously, like we said, Samhain, Samhain, Sowin. Sorry, I read it phonetically.
Sowin. Samhain was when the dark half of the year began. So it's spooky in and of itself. It's like Sowin ushers in the dark part of the year.
Okay. The dark part of the year is my favorite. And I don't, this is a potentially dumb question because like time zones didn't exist back then, I don't think or like the way that we like turn the clocks back, but it does get a little darker, right? Yeah.
And stuff. Yeah. It's like how that goes. Yeah.
Because I was that part of the reason why it was the darker part of the year. Yeah. And I think it was just like the darker part because winter is coming and winter tends to just be darker. Yeah.
You know, but so like cloudy and gray and all that. It's like out of summer, which is the bright part of the year and the spring, which is the bright part of the year. The dark part is the best part. It really is.
So in 43 AD was when the Romans conquered much of the Celtic lands and their traditions and autumn festivals started fusing with the druid festivals. Okay. So all these, they were going to keep some of them, but they were going to fuse them with the Roman stuff. So now the Roman goddess Pomona was the goddess of fruit and trees, the Roman goddess.
And one such Roman festival that honored her was fused with some of the Sowin druid festivals. It was the fusing and observances that eventually led to Halloween that we know. Cool. So this whole fusing of festivals was how we got our Halloween.
Yeah, it wasn't just the original Sowin. It's like the mix. It's a little, a little medley. A little bit of everything.
We took a little bit from here. We took a little bit from there and then we totally bastardized it. But you know, it's okay. We get what we get.
We don't get upset. So it's worth noting that sometime in the late 19th century is when they decided that Sowin would, that's when they decided that Sowin was marking the beginning of the Celtic year. They got this idea apparently because Julius Caesar said in book six of the Gallic Wars, something about the Gauls quote, keeping, they keep birthdays and beginning of months and years in such an order that follows that day follows the night. So this statement was interpreted to mean that Sowin was the Celtic beginning of the year because Sowin begins the dark half of the year.
Of course, this is just speculation because we can't just ask Julius what he meant by that. Why not? But another thing that adds intrigue to this idea of Sowin beginning the Celtic year is the discovery in 1897 of something called the Caligani calendar, which is from Gaul culture. And it's relevant because it has something marked in the month called trinex sammo.
And researchers and archaeologists think that this is a nickname for the transduction semeneos, which is three night observance of semeneos, which is supposedly a three day holiday that's pretty similar to Sowin. And it's observed in the middle of the first month. So the whole new year idea is a little questionable because of that. Yeah, that's the whole idea that throws that off.
Yeah, it's the whole idea that it's celebrating the new year that does throw it off a little bit. But it's interesting to see where they come up with this stuff and then that they'll find something little that will throw it off. Well, shit. And you're like, do any of us know anything?
We're all just relying. Whoa. I went to put my hands up to whisper into the microphone and I just punched the table. I was just going to say, that's Sowin of you.
Yeah, I was just going to say that it's all simulation. It is. It's all simulation. But you know, an archaeologist and like anthropologists and stuff, I'm like, good on you, man.
I thought you guys want to be relying on. It is cool. But either way, that was just a little detour I wanted to take. But either way, Sowin was huge.
And it was also the time of the year when the wall, this was like how everybody knows it. The wall between the living and the dead seemed to fall away and that veil thins quite a bit ready for it. So the veil between the worlds of the living and the spiritual realm is barely there. This is when the souls of those who died during the year are traveling to that other realm.
So, so during the year, whoever died, this is when they were going to be making their way over to the spiritual realm, which means they're going to be passing through ours. Did you get there? So it's kind of, it kind of causes, you know, metaphysical chaos everywhere. And humans could just hang out and have coffee with your dead relative if you really wanted to.
And the spirits are known to, you know, they're fine, but they can be a little mischievous. Oh, yeah. When I'm a spirit, I'm about to mischief the fuck out of everything. Yeah.
I mean, you can really fuck some shit up when you're a spirit. So why not do it? Because what are the consequences? What else are you going to do?
You're dead. So these sudden shenanigans were celebrated, but also kind of kept at bay because they wanted, they were fine for shenanigans, but they didn't want anything getting dangerous. Oh, which could happen. So they were kept at bay by offering and sacrificing, you know, animals sometimes also offering food like crops and veggies and fruits and anything that they were able to harvest during the year they would offer.
But it's like, it's not so bad that they did the animal thing because they thought that then those animals were just going to go to the afterlife. They definitely did it with the intention that, you know, could intention. Yeah. I mean, it's not, I'm not down for it, but like, you know, this was a long time ago.
So I can't really get mad at people. But people also played trick like people like physical people also played tricks and got into mischief because they were able to blame the spirits and other whimsical creatures that were said to be roaming around. So on this night, the Kaelich, which is also known as the crone and she's like the goddess of this time, who comes to and she strips the leaves from the trees. Okay.
So that's why we lose all the leaves. She's taken a long time this year. Now she does this because she wants to hasten the, she wants to hasten the decay of the year. Okay.
Okay. So she's trying to really, really get rid of all the life that has brewed throughout the summer and the spring and she's bringing us into that dark ass decaying time. I like her. And what that is for at first, you're like, wow, that's dark as fuck.
But her reason for this is that it's supposed to encourage new life and rebirth. Yeah. And everything down so that it can be rebuilt again. So there's a nice little thing.
The goddess. She's a scary bitch, but she's also like, I'm trying to help you out. I love her. I'm here for her.
She's very metal. She's very metal. The crone is metal. The metal.
The band name we call her. The crone. That's an awesome one. But you can also ask her during this whole festival in this time, you can ask the crone or the goddess or the Kaelich to take any of the unwanted things that happened to you during the year, like your personal grievances.
She can take them away and she can transform them into something anew. I love that. It's not nice. So you can be like, you know what I had a real shitty year and you know, like my finances were problems or like, you know, the crops were not great.
Yeah. And she'll take those worries from you and she'll try to transform them into something good. I love the idea of that. I think that's really cool.
It's a nice thought. Well, one cool thing that really, it was, this was a giant part of Samhain. Samhain book. No, no, no.
Guys, I keep reading it phonetically on the page and it's tripping me up. At least you can read. But I know it's Samhain. Sometimes I do listen to her and I'm like, bork sure you go on.
Well, you know, Samhain. You got it. Samhain, Samhain. We all get it.
But one cool thing about Samhain was that they did, there was tons of lighting of bonfires that was like really big part of it. Love bonfires. And this whole thing was done because it was aiding in offering something to the sun god because you wanted to beg his ass to come back next year. Hell yeah you do.
Because you were like, I know you are on your way out and they were going to lose everything now and everything's going to die. But like, please come back sun god. Yeah. And they were like, please don't starve us all.
But mostly it was done to honor the dead and to light their way back to the spiritual realm. So you let these bonfires be like, here you go. This is just gorge. It's a, it's such nice thought.
So there's a lot of cool little things that you're like. That's nice. This is honestly like whimsical in a metal whimsy. It is metal whimsy.
Like it's mimsy. Or wettle if you will. I like mimsy. Middle or wemsy.
So these fires acted kind of as like a runway to guide the spirits to where they needed to go. And it was also a way to deter them from taking detours to fuck with your shit because they couldn't see that way. Yeah. Because they were like here, this is the way to go.
Like don't take a detour over to my farm and fuck with my worlds. Like just go over here. They were just like, come on. And during this people would sometimes dress in costumes and they did this to try to blend in with the spirits and blend in with the creatures that they said would come about during this time of year.
And they thought that this would keep them safe from being harmed by them. So if I dress as a ghost, they're going to think I'm a ghost and they're not going to fuck with me. If I dress as a fairy, they're going to think I'm a fairy. So they're not going to fuck with me.
That's so cool. That's why I was a dead bride for three years and a row. So a dead bride wouldn't fuck with you. Exactly.
I was a mad scientist one year. So a scientist wouldn't fuck with me. Yeah. So some others would dress up like them and go to houses to collect the offerings left at houses for the dead.
Because they were like a hungry. Because people and we'll get into it. But people would leave offerings outside of their house for the spirits passing by. So they were really into like appeasing these spirits and these like fairies and leprecans and like all kinds of other creatures that they believed roamed the earth at this time.
They leave stuff out there and be like, don't bother us. Just take this chicken. It's fun. It's rotisserie.
So these real people would dress up in these costumes to fuck with the living and go take the offerings left for the other worldy creatures. So you're taking the spirits offerings. I feel like that's not going to end real well for you. It's really not.
Now this was called mummying, the dressing up and like disguising yourself. It was also called like guising. And it's likely the start of the tradition that we now think of as trick or treating. Because we dress up, go house out.
They would also like torches and walk around the perimeters of their property to ward off the spirits. So it was a really busy time too. You can just hang out. You had to constantly be warding off these other worldy creatures and spirits.
Now like I said, honoring your ancestors in the dead was really paramount to this festival. That was like really important to it. Many Irish and Scottish Celts would do something called the dumb supper. And I believe a lot do this still today.
Oh really? And it's nice. On the eve of Sowin, they had a dinner. And this was a silent dinner.
A very somber, very silent dinner in remembrance, in honor, in respect. And the dinner would also have an extra place at the head of the table. And this was for your ancestors who had passed away. And it was a full place setting with food, be served an entire dinner, everything that everybody else was eating.
But you had to serve this place setting without ever looking at the seat. Oh shit, what if you did that was really bad luck? Because you're not supposed to look at the spirits. And after this silent dumb dinner, the plate, not dumb, like I'm saying, it's dumb.
It's literally called dumb dinner. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's so bad, and it would be this dinner would be taken out into the woods and left as an offering. There was many steps to this.
Well, you're not like, when you are not supposed to do something, you just want to be like this or like this bad love. Oh, yeah, I have such bad to have. Oh, I would have so many. I'd constantly be try not to look at that seat.
You're like, who's in the air, are they eating their pork? And now can I have it? Like only shit are you gonna finish this, I really want it. Of all the things you can eat, you can eat insect, pork ...
Do you want a butter overall? I have the increase of the overall view. So, during this whole thing, people would also leave dog food, like pet food outside to honor those beloved pets who had gone before. Ma heart.
And people still do this today. And it also is nice because it's like other animals that are roaming around will eat that too. So you're just kind of doing a nice thing. And say you're setting yourself up to get a lot of strange.
You sure are, but you know what? It's lovely. So interestingly, it's not just ancestors that come through this thinned veil on Sowin. Like we said, it's according to the Library of Congress, American Folklife Center, quote, on that day, all manner of beings were abroad.
Ghosts, fairies, and demons. Diamonds. Diamonds. They all part of the dark and dread.
So it could be one ancestors coming to be like, hello, thank you for that hand bone that you left me. Or it could be a diamond. That's like hello. Hello.
I'd like some extra crescent rolls, motherfucker. And he holds up his three-fingered hand. And you stick the crescent roll right on there. And there you go.
Here you go. And then he says, thank you. Dikes. There we go.
And then he poofs into a plume of black smoke. But you did it right. If you've cooked an crescent roll. Oh, yeah.
Perfect. Only if it's a buttered one and only if you've cooked it correctly. Because if he pulls that off his three pronged hands, and it's doughy, he's coming back. Oh, see, I like the doughy ones.
Oh, no, diamonds don't want stomach aches. So they don't want that undercooked shit. But like, it's just stomach aches. Exactly.
And they don't want to look like that. They're like, no, I'm a diamond. All diamonds have IBS. So they're all like, does that mean I'm a diamond?
So they are like, give me a cooked food, thank you. That's not aggravating this. Yeah, I haven't got that down yet. So yeah, so especially in Ireland is very much known for the legends of fairies and the fafoke, which we've covered in a couple of episodes like dark fairies.
So the Night of Sowen was also the great sabbat for witches. Us. They would gather and celebrate. They would dance around and cast spells.
And they tell fortunes. They were just red. Oh, they looked great. They did.
They looked awesome. So stories tell also that you could see on that night, you could see witches flying through the air on their broom sticks. It made you would see all kinds of all manner of like magical creatures and familiars, like black cats and ravens, all kinds of cool things. Basically everything you want.
I just think about it. I'm like, whoo. I'm literally good. I'm so good.
I'm like, oh my god, I can bring Lux. I'm like, oh, what a great sabbat. So sabbat. So it was you just doing a little tant.
Ooh, sabbat. I'm so excited. So there's also the queen of the witches for that night. You.
It was me. It was either some people think it was the Irish Morgan, which was also called the Morgan Lefe, which is like, Morgan Lefe. OK. She's a popular girl in school that will not let you send her to you.
Oh, yeah. Morgan Lefe has a burn book about you. Yes. She will create a chat room just invite you in.
So she can bully you with her friends. I saw Morgan Lefe wearing army pants and puffs. So I got army pants and puffs. That is Morgan Lefe.
So yeah, it's either Morgan Lefe, which I would like it not to be at this point. Or this one's awesome. Or it could be the blue-faced hag of winter. That's not really cool artsy girl that got made fun of in high school.
But now she's like really rich because she paints great things. See, I'm into the blue-faced hag of winter. The Kaelich, which is also the goddess, the crone. She's known for a lot of things.
She's a writer. She's a writer. Yeah, the crone is where it's at. Now, fairies return for the winter.
And legends say that if you lost a family member to a fairy during the year, because that was a thing. Like, I think we talked about it in the fairy episode. They're like, fairy rings were a thing. And oftentimes, people would go missing, and they'd attribute it to fairies.
That's the best. Or somebody would change a lot, and they'd think that they were replaced by a fae. You never know. It's really cool.
Yeah, a fae. So if you lost your family member to a fairy, or a fairy ring during the year, this was the night that you could win them back. Or it's what you got to offer. Well, you got to offer a lot.
And you really got to be tricky. This is when people would dress up and try to get, you know, blend in and all that stuff. I think there's an episode about, in Sabrina the Teenage Witch the New One, there's an episode where they trick a fairy to get some of it. It's all about tricking the fairies.
You can't logic with a fairy. You can't just trade with a fairy. You got to trick a fairy. You got to.
That's what it's all about. Write that down. Outsmart that fairy. Write it down.
So in Ireland, fairies were huge on Halloween. Or in Sowen, or you know, what ended up turning into Hallows Eve or their way of Halloween. Yeah. And there was an old folk ballad that was called Alice in Gross, and it was a story of a fairy queen who saved a man from a witch's spell on Sowen.
Wow, it doesn't get more whimsical than that. The whimsy is just flowing out of their ears here. whimsy is abundant. The whimsy and the spooky.
It's like a spooky. So it goes like this. I'll give you a little taste. In West, no, no.
Very close. Oh, Alice in Gross that lives in Yawn Tower, the ugliest witch in the North County country. She's turned me into an ugly worm and guard me total around a tree. But as it fell out, last hallow even, when the ceiling, which was very, court was riding by, the queen lighted down on a gowony bank, not far from the tree where I won't to lie.
She's changed me again to my own proper shape, and I know more total about the tree. So slam poetry. I love it. So she saved him.
She sure did. That's awesome. So there's a lot going on. You might need a queen fairy to help you get your, you know, what your husband or something or like a man or a woman from a witch's spell, or you might need a witch to help you get your man back from a fairy.
It's just, who knows what crazy otherworldly creature is going to help your ass. It's like Narnia, you just never know who you're going to still come across. Yeah, you could come across a witch and be like, hey, can you help me get him back from a fairy? And she'd be like, nah, I'm going to turn you into a toad.
And you're like, well, shit. Or she could be like, yeah, I'll help you out. But then you probably owe her something next year. You definitely owe her something next year.
So someone is just always you paying debts. That's all. Yeah, not sounding like so much fun after all. It's fun, but it's a lot of work.
It's tricky, tricky, tricky. Now, most farmers and people in smaller towns and villages won't go outside that night still, because they're so scared to run into something like Evil as fuck. So is this October 31st? Yeah, cool.
Now, Druids, which were, again, Celtic priests and also a ton of other shit at the time, made it, they said that this time of year made it easier to tell the future when the veil was lifted. Oh, so it was during the big bonfires at these festivals that people would tell fortunes. And it would just be like this big, cool, like just awesome whimsical otherworldly event. It's like Burning Man.
And people kind of actually, and actually, there was things where, which this isn't like, this is kind of one of those things people tell that like Druids would burn people as human sacrifices in giant effigies of men or like humans. And they would pack them all in there, like the wicker man and just burn touch it. So people held fortune telling parties too, and they still do. That's like a thing.
Can we go? Right? And one of the ways that they would tell fortunes, like this old way of doing it was to poke a hole in an egg and then slowly drop out the contents into a glass of water and they would read the shapes that swirled around in the glass of water and they would tell your fortune. And I have to wait until Halloween to do that is what you're doing.
Of course you do. You have to wait for Sowin. You want to do that with me? Yeah, I do.
Now apples were also a huge thing. They were the fruit, which again, apple pie. And again, apple pie. Again, it translates into how we view apples during the harvest season.
We know apple picking apple pie. Apple pie. Apple tart. And they, you know, they're a huge thing.
Well, they were considered a sacred fruit because if you cut it a certain way, there's a pentacle in the middle. Yeah. You know, and it's the symbol of the goddess Pomona, which is the Roman goddess. Our girl.
It's all about fertility and life and rebirth. And in Celtic tradition, they would bury the apples in the ground on Sowin so that the souls awaiting rebirth would have something to munch on. That's so awesome. Which I think it's great.
We're really nice to the otherworldly souls. Sowin is like really thoughtful. Yeah, we don't want them to go hungry. We don't want them to get lost.
No. We're just like, let me help you out. Have a snack, take a chicken wing, and have at it. And let's talk about bobbing for apples.
Oh, and like we do now. I think I remember, but go ahead. So during Sowin, it wasn't exactly, you know, so we do this now, but it's actually for an interesting reason. So the goddess, which we're talking about like the Roman goddess Pomona.
Yeah. Or no, I think this was actually Kaelich the crone. So you wanted to maintain her presence in Goodwill, but she was going to be kind of dormant until you, she was hibernated. Yeah, kind of.
So you, but you wanted her because she brings Goodwill if you ask her and she, you just need her presence. Okay. Now in order to do that, you would capture an apple because it was a sacred fruit to the goddess and this kept her around. And again, this is the crone.
So you want her around a sacred fruit to her was the apple. So bobbing for apples meant you captured the fruit. You get to keep her Goodwill. Okay.
So she is going to still like chill out for a little while, but you get her Goodwill. Right. That's good. Now for you.
And now the reason you might be wondering like why was she chilling out until you, well, because her bro, the God, the sun King who just left us is symbolically placed back into the earth until the winter solstice because he goes in there with the seeds. Oh, now with him being out of commission for a bit, the goddess transforms from the goddess into the crone and she mourns the fuck out of him until he comes back. Oh, she misses her boy. Yeah, she just misses her boy.
So when she's like morning him, you kind of get a Goodwill with the apples. Yeah. So now there is this, so now there's this fusing of Roman and Celtic traditions and festivals until Christianity came around and was like, no. So in 601 AD Pope Gregory the first issued a well-known edict that basically was like, okay, let's not strip down.
Like let's not just strip these pagan traditions away until they can't do it anymore. Like, no, we're going to, if they worship something, that's cool. We're just going to consecrate it to Christ and keep going. What is that?
We're going to Christian, we're going to Christianize any of these pagan things. We're going to let them keep doing it, but now they're doing it in the name of Christ. Oh, which means they probably didn't want to do it anymore. Yeah, it's basically just Christianizing everything, which, you know, whatever.
He made November 1st. So now November 1st became All Saints Day. Yeah. And it's still and another word for saint or holy or sanctified is hallow.
Oh, all Hallows Day. So what is October 31st? All Hallows Eve. There it is.
It's like the beginning of focus focus. Exactly. On all Hallows Eve. So the relabeling of pagan holidays as Christian days is kind of also how Christmas came about on December 25th.
Because if you wonder, like how did they get that day? They just kind of assigned the date of December 25th because it corresponded with the midwinter celebration of a lot of people. Cool. That makes sense.
Yeah, so that's just interesting. And Druids were now, unfortunately, Christianity considered them devil worshipers and that underworld that they worshiped and made offerings to was now relabeled as the Christian hell. This is where the pagans became witches and spirits became demonic forces ready to fuck you up on Halloween. Yeah, they made it a little too far.
They got a little darker actually, which is crazy. So Irish immigrants brought over the holiday traditions to America and we turned it into the Halloween we know now. It's so weird how it got just like, yeah, it's crazy. So different.
Now the last thing I just want to mention, which is one of the biggest things on Halloween is the Jekyllan turn. Oh, yeah. And that kind of from. Yeah.
So originally they weren't pumpkins because they weren't rolling pumpkin patches in Ireland. They are not like an indigenous plant Ireland. No. So it's not like they had a ton of pumpkins lying around.
They used potatoes or turnips. Because they have a lot of those and they would light them as a way to ward off evil. And the jack-o-lantern name came from the legend of stingy Jack. Stingy Jack.
So stingy Jack was a dick. Knocking of the pumpkin patch. And he was just like, he just loved messing with everyone. Just fucking around with everyone.
He was a prankster, but like in a mean way. He was mean spirit and cruel. He would do it to his family, his friends, anyone he loved he would just fuck with them. He was a jackass.
And one day he was down drinking at the pub with the devil as one does. And the devil was like, hey, how would I buy you a drink? And Jack was like, oh, cool. Thanks, bro.
Thanks, I'm back. And he was like, just give me your soul. And I'll try you this drink. And Jack was like, OK.
He thought it was a good deal. Yeah, he was like, cool. But he was like, I don't want to pay for this. I don't have any coins.
So can you transform yourself into a coin and show me that you're really the devil? And he was like, OK. So the devil transformed himself into a coin to pay for the drink. And Jack took the coin and kept it in his pocket with a cross with a crucifix.
So the devil couldn't change back from that form initially. And he said, I will agree to take you out of there and change you and let you change back. But only if you wait a beat and specifically a year on the whole taking of my soul thing. So he was like, he was like, wait a year to take my soul.
He was like, you can have my soul like I agree to. But like, you're not going to transform back unless you agree to the year thing. And weirdly enough, the devil was like, OK, devil loves a deal. He does.
And he's apparently a man of his word. I don't know. So then one year after this, he runs into the devil because of course, TikTok, it's been a year. And they happen to be near an apple tree.
Oh, apple is like, hey, so I'm here to take your soul. And Jack was like, wait, how about before you take this soul mind? Like you can totally have it. But can you just jump up that apple tree real quick and grab me an apple?
The devil's not a fool though. And he was like, cool. Yeah, I'll do that because I really want your soul to like, sure. You can have some sustenance.
He was like, we're like, sure. He was like an apple a day. The devil said we were flexed, but OK, I'll work it into any episode. I guess.
There you go. And the devil climbed up the tree and he's picking an apple. And while he did that, Jack either threw a bunch of crosses around the tree, which I don't think that's what it was, or he carved a crucifix into the trunk, which I think that's what happened. That's what it is.
And because this is all very real. And he made him promise because the devil couldn't come down. So he was like, you have to promise not to take my soul when I die. But that's the whole point of the mother fucking deal.
And the devil was like, damn it fooled me again. And so he was like, sure. But all he got was a drink out of this. But don't worry.
The devil got his. He has something in his up asleep because he was like, OK, OK, sure. I won't take your soul when you die. But you knew something that Jack did not.
So of course, years later, when he dies, he goes up to those, you know, the gates of heaven. And he's like, hey, I'm stingy Jack. I'm ready to do this. And I'm on the list.
And St. Peter was like looking at his list. And he's like, oh, no, you're a giant dick. You don't get to come in here.
Sorry, you're not on the list. He was like, no, no, back of the line. And he was like, you need to get the fuck out of here. So he was like, you mean to be on the first floor, the basement.
That's what you mean. The basement of heaven, the basement of the world. So he was like, you need to go down to hell, motherfucker. That's where you belong.
So he sent him down there to the gates of hell. And he was like, maybe they'll take you. So when he gets to the gates of hell, the devil's like, oh, no, remember? I agreed not to take your soul when you died.
And he was like, but what the fuck? Like, I can't get into heaven. I can't get into hell. And he was like, no, my problem.
So the devil just tosses him some hellfire and was like, good luck wandering the in between alone for all eternity. Oh, so he's in. Well, he's in purgatory. So he's just floating around.
So Jack happened to have a turnip because he like turnip. So he just like had one. And he quickly hollowed it out and he carried the hellfire in it like it was a lantern. And he just wanders around with his turnip and his hellfire in the in between.
That doesn't seem so bad. And the Irish called the ghost of stingy Jack, Jack of the lantern. And later abbreviated to Jack O' Lantern. Jack O' Lantern.
And Irish, you know, and the Irish carved different veggies and things like turnips and potatoes to keep Jack and his loner fucking hellfire away because he sucks. And he likes to play troun. Yeah, like he sucks. Can you imagine if we still carved potatoes?
That's what I got out of this. I'm saying. And they really were forever. And then when they brought this tradition to America, people were like, Oh, I don't want to carve a turnip.
That's really hard to do. It is hard. And they're little. And so we have tons of pumpkins around here.
So people realize that it's easier to carve a pumpkin and that they look cool. They do. And that's pretty metal. That's how we got our Jack O' Lanterns.
Let me tell you a story. Don't. All right, here's my story for you. You know what?
This is for the listeners out there. Oh, yeah. Don't be carving your pumpkins too soon. I would have told you this had you told me.
Alina would have told me. And then I would have to tell you what I was doing. I was like, Oh, my God, a really cool, saucy thing that we can do. A cool saucy thing.
Lauren, do you know what saucy thing? This is what we can do. We can carve pumpkins, but it was still September. It was like the end of September and then I'd be cool for a week and I carved my pumpkins and then fucking death flies were all over my porch and it looked like we had murdered a body.
So yeah, because the pumpkin just rotted. Oh, not the pumpkin. It accelerated for five pumpkins and we had to like get them all in bags and then take them through our indoors apartment and then go down the stairs and then go all the way to the trash. You're rotten pumpkin.
Weeks. And by we, I mean, Annie. But I think that was a really cool saucy thing that we did. Yeah, but don't do that guys because a don't pumpkins will rot and stink.
Don't do it. Neighbors will assume that you have killed a few people. Yeah, exactly. But what you can do is carve some potatoes.
Yeah, you can. And you know, so that concludes where we got some of our traditions. I was retreating and, you know, pumpkins and all that stuff. That was a really fun episode.
It was just fun to research. There was a lot to it. I'm sure there's, you know, some other stuff that I didn't touch upon. Maybe I'll touch upon it in another episode if I find things.
But this was just basically what I could find about saucyin and how it fused with the Roman traditions and druids are pretty interesting. And then I had no idea about Christianity, like changed some things. And it's all very interesting. I want to go to one of those fortune telling parties with the egg yolk.
I think we should do that this year. We should do it. I don't know if we should, like we should do it. Like we should just do that and then like interpret egg yolk in our own way.
Yeah. That's what I'm saying is that we should poke a hole in an egg and we should interpret it. Yeah. And then there was also traditions like if you peel an apple in like one peel without breaking the peel.
Yeah. And you throw it over your shoulder. You see what it land like what shape it lands in. And that's the initial of the person you're going to marry.
I don't want to do that because if it's not a I'll be like wow I want to wait for fucking three years. I've been having. Well shit. So there's a lot of those things though.
So there's cool traditions. That's really cool. And if we have any, if we have any that we don't know about. No, I was going to say if we have any like Irish or Scottish listeners.
I was like are there any of you out there? I'm fucking half the fucking listeners. No, you guys are fucking awesome. But if you guys have anything you want to like add to this or you want me to like update or you can give me any of your traditions that you know UK listeners and European listeners.
I'd love to do like, you know, an episode that's about different parts of the world and how they celebrate this time of year. Yeah, be very interesting. So if anybody has any stories that they'd like me to tell their your own personal things that you celebrate that be cool to hear. I'd love that.
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