AI Cannot Be Probable Cause
from Two Cops One Donut Hosted by Sgt. Erik Lavigne, Von Kliem, & Banning Sweatland
You can learn a lot about the law by watching what people argue about in real time. Tonight we’re joined by Von Kliem, the Force Science “poster boy,” and we jump straight into the questions listeners actually care about: when a suspect runs, can police follow them into a house, and what counts as exigent circumstances or hot pursuit under the Fourth Amendment? From there we zoom out to the future of law enforcement technology. We talk AI in courts, algorithmic bias, and why facial recognition must never be treated as probable cause by itself. We also get practical about policy: case numbers, verification steps, analyst workflows, and the same common-sense rule that applies to ALPR hits too. AI can organize information, but it cannot replace judgment, validation, and accountability. Then we tackle body-worn cameras and the “record everything” debate, including muting, storage costs, battery limits, and the very real human exhaustion of being under constant scrutiny. We break down a disturbing baton video where commands and strikes collide, discuss what compliance should look like, and talk honestly about the duty to intervene when another officer loses control. We end on a needed counterweight: a coordinated search that finds a missing nonverbal autistic child safe, and why moments like that still matter. If you got something out of this, subscribe, share the episode with a friend, and leave a review. What’s one policing policy you think needs to change first? send us a message! [email protected] Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc *Send us a message! [email protected] 🔗 Visit us at TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at [email protected] 🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut 🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!* 💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders Our partners: Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders! GhostPatchCustoms.com Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/ Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!
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You can learn a lot about the law by watching what people argue about in real time. Tonight we’re joined by Von Kliem, the Force Science “poster boy,” and we jump straight into the questions listeners actually care about: when a suspect runs, can police follow them into a house, and what counts as exigent circumstances or hot pursuit under the Fourth Amendment? From there we zoom out to the future of law enforcement technology. We talk AI in courts, algorithmic bias, and why facial recogniti...
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- 0:01 Disclaimer And Viewer Warning
- 0:56 Guests, Catch-Up, Live Q&A
- 4:40 Chasing A Suspect Into A Home
- 8:08 Deadly Force When Outnumbered
- 14:37 Exigent Circumstances And Santana
- 16:45 AI In Courts And Policing
- 20:30 Facial Recognition Limits And Policy
- 24:37 Pretext Stops And Discretion Tradeoffs
- 27:36 Recreating Evidence On Body Cam
- 36:02 Muting Body Cams And Always-On
- 49:21 Curtilage, Permits, ID Demands
- 56:34 Why Court Can Feel Unreal
- 59:18 Predator Stings And Victim Rights
- 1:08:16 Baton Beating Case Breakdown
- 1:12:30 Duty To Intervene And Accountability
- 1:24:20 Helping A Viewer After An Arrest
- 1:44:31 The Call That Ends Well
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