Skip to content
ATF Wants You to be an FFL (ft. TN Tactical) episode artwork

EPISODE · May 1, 2024 · 48 MIN

ATF Wants You to be an FFL (ft. TN Tactical)

from State of the Second

This episode of State of the Second brings on Jake from TN Tactical, a budget-focused firearms YouTuber from East Tennessee, to talk through the ATF's private sales final rule and what it could mean for everyday gun owners and small creators. Jake started his channel in August 2021 to make content that's about half entertainment and half information, built around budget-friendly firearms, optics, red dots, and lasers for people who need to stretch a dollar. He's known for drop tests and torture tests on budget gear, and the channel has grown from around 800 subscribers when host John first met him to nearly 10,000. John and Kaylee tie that mission to where the country is economically and to East Tennessee specifically, a hard-working, mostly agrarian and manufacturing region where money is tight and a first-time gun owner has to buy everything at once. The core of the conversation is the private sales final rule and how vague it is. Jake, who openly says he doesn't have an FFL and just enjoys making gun content, worries that buying a gun, reviewing it, then reselling it at a loss could now be treated as a problem because the rule turns on intent to make a profit, which is subjective. The hosts walk through how this targets sellers and not buyers, how it could affect widows inheriting a collection, people who get an unwanted gift, gun buybacks, and anyone who buys a gun and decides they don't like how it shoots. Kaylee frames it as an attempt to make firearms a liability instead of an asset, points to firearms appreciating in value like pre-86 machine guns and old SKS rifles, and argues the vagueness is intentional so the government can keep taking more. GOA's position is direct: they have publicly declared they will file suit and seek an injunction. Kaylee makes the case for low-cost membership, $25 or $20 with a discount code, and stresses that sending an email to a legislator is free and open even to non-members. The episode also covers the push to force creators and casual sellers into getting an FFL, the move to eliminate home-based FFLs in favor of brick-and-mortar businesses, and the Fourth Amendment concerns that come with FFL inspections and bound-book recordkeeping. They close by plugging GOALS, the Gun Owners Advocacy and Leadership Summit, happening August 17th and 18th in Knoxville, Tennessee, where Jake was the third person to request media access. Links goals.gunowners.org Questions this episode answers What is the ATF's private sales final rule and why do gun owners say it's so vague? The rule targets people who sell firearms privately, turning on whether the seller intended to make a profit. Critics on the episode argue that intent standard is subjective by design, so the government can keep expanding what counts as needing a license. How could the rule affect small firearms YouTubers who buy, review, and resell guns? A creator like Jake, who has no FFL, worries that buying a gun, reviewing it, then reselling it at a loss could be treated as a violation because the rule hinges on intent to profit. The fear is that routine review-and-resell content gets read as unlicensed dealing. Does the private sales rule target buyers or sellers? It targets sellers, not buyers. The hosts and Jake note this is why widows inheriting a collection, people who got an unwanted gift, and anyone who decides they don't like a gun could all be swept in. How does the rule's focus on 'intent to make a profit' create a legal gray area? Because intent is subjective, the same private sale could be judged a violation or not depending on interpretation. Jake calls the whole rule a question of intention, and Kaylee argues the vagueness is deliberate so the government can keep taking more. What is Gun Owners of America doing to fight the private sales final rule? Gun Owners of America has publicly declared it will file suit and seek an injunction against the rule. The hosts also stress that contacting a legislator is free and open even to people who aren't members. How much does a GOA membership cost and can you advocate without being a member? Membership is low-cost at $25, or $20 with a discount code. You don't have to be a member to act, since sending an email to a legislator is free and open to anyone. What is GOALS and when and where is it being held? GOALS is GOA's Gun Owners Action Leadership Summit, held August 17th and 18th in Knoxville, Tennessee. Jake was the third person to request media access for the event. Why does Jake from TN Tactical focus on budget-friendly firearms and gear? Jake built TN Tactical around affordable firearms, optics, red dots, and lasers to serve people stretching a dollar, including his hard-working East Tennessee audience. He's known for drop tests and torture tests that show whether budget gear holds up. Chapters 00:00 — Welcome and meet Jake from TN Tactical 00:16 — How the channel started in August 2021 01:51 — Drop tests and budget gear reviews 02:43 — From 800 to almost 10,000 subscribers 04:45 — Serving the budget and East Tennessee audience 08:21 — GOALS summit and jumping on early 10:46 — Low-cost GOA membership and free advocacy 16:14 — The private sales final rule explained 18:18 — Vague rules and GOA's lawsuit 26:46 — Widows, gifts, and unintended sellers 34:00 — Turning gun owners into felons 39:20 — Firearms as a liability versus an asset 40:45 — Forcing FFLs and ending home-based shops 47:08 — Where to find Jake and wrap-up About the guest Jake runs TN Tactical, a YouTube channel he started in August 2021 to make engaging, informative content focused on budget-friendly firearms, optics, red dots, and lasers. He's known for drop tests and torture tests on budget gear, and the channel has grown from around 800 subscribers to nearly 10,000. He's from East Tennessee and treats the channel as a hobby that is also business first. He does not have an FFL. He was the third person to request media access for GOA's GOALS summit. Key quotes "The main focus though has always been budget friendly firearms, budget friendly optics, red dots, lasers, all that good stuff that people can afford." — Jake "I'm a youtuber without an FFL and I just enjoy making gun content." — Jake "The whole final rule about private sale is about the intention, which is very subjective." — Jake "With everything that the government does, they intentionally make it as vague as possible." — Kaylee "We are nothing without our members. We are a grassroots gun lobby." — Kaylee "This all targets the seller. It doesn't really target the buyers." — Jake "In my opinion, this is the ATF's attempt to make firearms a liability versus an asset." — Kaylee

Episode metadata supplied by the publisher feed · Published May 1, 2024

Embed this episode

Ready to play

ATF Wants You to be an FFL (ft. TN Tactical)

0:00 48:02

No transcript for this episode yet

We transcribe on demand. Request one and we'll notify you when it's ready — usually under 10 minutes.

No similar episodes found.

No similar podcasts found.

Frequently Asked Questions

How long is this episode of State of the Second?

This episode is 48 minutes long.

When was this State of the Second episode published?

This episode was published on May 1, 2024.

Can I download this State of the Second episode?

Yes. Use the download control on the episode player to save the publisher-provided media file.
URL copied to clipboard!