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Are you feeling low, lower boobs, lower estrogen, lower expectations for life in general, lower amounts of Fs to give? Well, you're not alone, and we've got the lowdown. The ladies of Nursing and Cursing are here to welcome you to our sequel, Aging and Raging, the podcast. I'm Kate. I'm Molly. I'm Christine. I'm Sarah. And I'm Allie. And together, we are Aging and Raging.
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Aging and Raging. Hey, guys. Hi. Thank you, Molly. I'm so glad to be here. I know. You know, we fucked up last week. We just couldn't get it done. We had a few listeners be like, I thought you were dropping on Wednesdays. Guys, it felt so good to be missed, though. It did. Yeah. That's true. It's so hard. It is so hard. Yeah. It's actually not. The sad thing is, it's like, right. Right. We're so challenged. Getting here is the hard part. Once we're here, that's the best part of the week. Right. It's just logistics. Like anything.
Totally. But we did it. Every single week I tell myself I'm doing a shower and a face of makeup before this Zoom. Fuck. Next week for sure. I forget every time that I'm about to hit. Oh my God, there's a camera on. I know. I just came out of the soaking wet rain like a dog. I put a hat on. Totally. I love that. Nobody here is done up. Sarah looks so dirty. I just got out of the shower, but I did put a lip color on because it was at my desk. I did my nighttime routine. Yes. Drop it, Sarah, in the comments, please. Drop your routine.
Drop it. If anyone is dying from my nighttime routine, I'd be happy to share it with you. But honestly, it's not like Christine should probably be the one. Like she's the one with like probably like a top tier. This is a great, it's a great episode actually. I'm going to write that down. Nighttime events. What your skincare routine or whatever. I just use two things at night. They're great. But we can move along. I'm also not the one sitting here getting compliments. It's Sarah. Who's putting their husband's semen on their skin?
Me. I've been doing that since I was a teenager. My mom told me that when I had acne. Just let your boyfriend come on your face. No, he didn't. No. Yeah, she did. I remember clearly. She would say it all the time. Oh, Chris, he made my damn head. Okay. Can I tell you guys something that's really fun? Yeah, it was Ryan.
and i think she told him and i was like mom stop that's so funny i can't imagine she was so ahead of her time had she only known sperm facials are a natural thing now but she said she did it all the time to clear up acne that's just nasty where did she get that information just some italian yeah Folklore. The Italians got the best skin. Folklore. Traditional remedies. Jumping from natural remedies. Shaman facials to... Like a Nona gave her that one. Yeah. And when he gave her that, she gave her Preparation H for baggy eyes and sperm for acne. Done. Done. And pour your face like your ass. And a lot of garlic for everything else.
yeast infection bowl of garlic oh god i never ali told me to use garlic for a yeast infection i was pregnant with ed and i'll never forget putting it in my vagina and tasting it in my mouth yeah totally yeah weird why traumatizing i never did it wild monistat all the way i used to do it all the time i would thread um i would use a sewing needle thread a piece of thread through it so that it was like a tampon shove it up there and honestly like i really feel like it worked It does work. Yeah, it works. To me, I look back in my past and I feel like doing the drugs that I did in college makes more sense than the garlic I put on my vagina. Were you just like queefing garlic smell? The smell. I can still take myself there. I can see what the bathroom tile looked like. I can feel that I was like just part of a salad dressing. Your vagina smells like an olive garden. Oh my God, get your breadstick in this bitch. No more of the smells on this episode. We went too hard on the smells. Get your breadstick in this bitch.
dip your breadstick unlimited unlimited so good lord not to transition like welcome back guys we're back um kate can i tell you guys how i know jeremy doesn't listen yeah yes our last eb drop not a pete not a word i was like testing him i was he was like how's it going i was like good you like the episode he was like yeah you guys are crushing it i was like cool you didn't clock that i pissed all over our van Caught in a lie that you will never. Yeah, that's fine. You can't even call him on it. Nope. Right. Tim just straight up is like, I don't listen. I so respect that. It's like, yeah, this is my space.
Yeah. Like we hear that shit all week long. The last thing I want to do is tune into you bitching. Yeah. Can you imagine if he's listening to you more? Not a fucking chance. Not a chance. Trying to tune us out, not tune into us. Exactly. I'm married to somebody who occasionally does earbuds in when we're in the house. When we're having dinner. Supposed to be available to each other. He's already wearing his earbuds. Like you don't even want to listen to me tell you how my day was.
Uh-oh, okay. Well, that goes both ways, though. Do you want to hear? I'm good. Never. It's so boring. As soon as I ask, I go deaf, and I just see the mouth moving. No, I don't know what it is. ADD? I already know the answer, maybe. Yeah, you've just seen this one before. It's fine. He gets mad when I ask him.
When I ask him about his day, he's like, because he will say, you literally don't give a shit. Why would you actually want to hear what I did? Oh, totally. I'm like, but I do. And then I'm like, I do want to know. Oh my God. Yes, I do. You're just using it as like, you're using it as like a launching pad to a bigger conversation. It's just an opener. Yeah. I don't care how you ran the chipper. We can do one word answers, but it's still good to ask. Well, you know what I want to know? I want to know like emotionally, how did it go today?
Like, how are you feeling internally? What's your emotional state now? I want to know what you ate for lunch, and then let's leave it at that. Oh, my God. Speaking of, how are you? That's the only part I care about. Okay, hey. Kate, how are you, honey? You guys saw the picture. Maybe I should post a picture I sent you guys yesterday at 7 a.m. Okay, our baby is going, our first nursing and cursing baby is going to college this week. I can start crying right now. I'm scared I will. Me too, I will. If you do, it's okay. Yeah. Oh, it's young. It's, yeah. The lead-up is so surreal, but now we're here. Is it tomorrow?
Wednesday. Wednesday. Today is? Okay. So it's the day we draw. Okay. And it's fine. Like, this whole summer, in my mind, it's about like, it's the exact same summer that we've had every year, basically. Like, you know, it's our summer routine. Like, two weeks seeing my family in the UK. Two weeks seeing Jeremy's family in South Carolina. So great.
Fuck, I don't know. I just want to say how special and lucky that is because, Kate, there's so many 18-year-olds on the brink of leaving that would not be having the same family summer. Like, how special is that? Yes, it's very special. I know that all of us have felt this in different ways in the last 18 months. Chrissy, too, especially. I thought of Chrissy a lot. At the beginning of the summer, my dad had a heart attack. He's fine. Minor heart attack. I don't want to freak anybody out. My dad is totally fine. But just...
My dad had a small heart attack. My son is going to college. Life is changing. The weirdest thing, the weirdest sensation that I kept having this summer is when you're like doing something all the time, you don't notice when it ends. Like, I can't explain it. Like, you just are not noticing these things end.
And suddenly you do something all the time, all the time, all the time. You're constantly doing it. And then all of a sudden when you turn to your husband, you're using phrases like, remember when we used to? X, Y, Z. You can't believe that you're not still doing that. Little tiny things. Little things that just pass through a mother's life like that. All the kids putting on their own sunscreen. It sounds so stupid. It's funny.
I'm like, wow, Blinken and I, I had them all up against the wall execution style with the spray. How did that go? How was that like years ago? Yeah. Yeah. How was that years ago? Like all the cliches are true. Wolfie's screaming, look, look, look in the pool a million times. And like the other kids, they're aligned by the pool on their phones. I used to be so fucking annoyed. That annoyance was real. That's fine. I don't feel bad about being annoyed at all. Like no regrets. That's not what I mean. It's just like.
It just goes fucking fast. And I just cannot believe that the era of all four of my kids in the same house every single night is over. And I know that like, wow, we'll come back. I know that there's going to be lots of times when everybody's here. I understand that in my mind. But also it is over. I just, I don't know. I said to Jeremy, like, didn't we just have him? Like, it feels like you should be able to talk to somebody. It feels like there's an error. It feels like it's a mistake.
And at the same time, it's best case scenario. Like your kid is going somewhere they're psyched about going. It's close. They're actually sad to leave their family. It's not like they can't wait to get away. Like we've talked about how we all felt. So I know that it's healthy. I know that it's good. Doesn't make it less hard or less sad though. No. Right. But like, and having Wolfie in the house, who is so devoted to Wilder, I can't even tell you guys. It's like, it's Wilder before it's me or Jeremy for him. It's every time.
And the anguish that he is voicing, it's like he's saying the things that you're not allowed to say out loud. Right. And it makes it good because it's like somebody saying it that's healthy. But it makes it hard because there's a reason you're not saying it. What kind of things is he saying? Lying down on the kitchen floor at dinnertime. I want to throw college in jail. Oh, God. Please don't ever go to college, mommy. When Wilder comes back from college, will I be a grown up? Do I have to go? Can I sleep over? Can I call Wilder every night?
What happened to people at college ever forget about you? Just things that like, oof. Sucks. How are the girls? They're okay. Edie and Wilder this summer started watching Gossip Girl. The old version with Blake. Some solid bonding. Yeah. They're so into it. And Edie is not an emoter like I am. Or even like Wawa is. She's much more like...
much more buttoned up, give me an eye roll when I get going on my bullshit, blah, blah, blah. The reality that they're not going to be able to get through all of the seasons of Gossip Girl sharing a bag of Hot Cheetos on the couch brought her down hard. And Mavis is thankfully very much in her own world. Like, she starts school tomorrow. Debt changes us. We start keeping secrets. We cancel plans. We say we'll catch up after the next payment, but the calls keep coming and the interest grows. And when we're almost stable, something else hits. Debt doesn't just take money. It takes energy, confidence, sleep, time. But what most people don't know is that there's a legal way to cut your debt up to 80% without filing for bankruptcy. It's called a consumer proposal. It's the best-kept debt relief secret in Canada and led by licensed insolvency trustees who've helped Canadians for over 45 years. After a free, no-obligation, non-judgmental call with Farber, interest and collection calls stop.
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I was like zooming in on every single one to look at every sibling's face. I was saying the same thing. Anguish, anguish, anguish, devastation and heartbreak. I said to the kids, I think we all need to be there. Like we all need to be there to launch Wawa. Yeah. And Mavis was like, well.
I have my first day of advisory on Wednesday and Nick is in my advisory. So it'd be like a little weird if I wasn't there. I was like, say less. It's live your life. Did she get into that school she took a test for? No, she didn't. Did her friend? No. Oh, okay. Just the best outcome the universe could have given us. She's going to have the best seventh grade year. She is. Good for her. She is. And anyway, I don't know who's going to come to drop him off. I think probably just me.
Jeremy and Wolfie will drop him off. And then, you know, the school is only two hours away. So maybe in two weeks, we'll all go take him out to lunch and get the lay of the land, get the tour, blah, blah, blah. So I do feel a little bit ridiculous for crying so much. No way. I do wonder what is this like? I don't know if you can even tell us. It's probably private, but for your husband.
Um, like we're both dealing with it differently. Um, I woke up yesterday and just like, as you guys saw, I just like cried my way through three hours of opening, you know, a million boxes of stuff that I had ordered over the summer for him to take with him. Nothing exciting, just TG that I'm not taking a girl. Um, there's no like dorm makeover that we're being held hostage to water packages, Legos. And I was like, you need to take more than Legos to college, sweetie. Clothes, for example, he was like, chill, it's going to take me 10 minutes.
So I just was like crying, opening boxes, organizing, blah, blah. But I was like, okay, well, I'm working off a list and this is what he needs. I don't want to overwhelm him. You know, we're taking a mini fridge, a rug, blah, blah, blah. JJ got involved and opening every box. He needs to take his favorite comics. He needs to take his favorite toys. He needs to take the sweater he hasn't seen for years.
i was like you're getting on my nerves he doesn't need any of that stuff you're creating a lot of mess in the house you're really triggering me like you're bringing out holy backpacks from sixth grade storage asking me if he needs to take this i'm about to kill you but um this was his processing this is his processing that's painful all of it and how is what we're doing like is is he okay The great news for Wawa is that his roommate, who he knows, is moving in tomorrow, a day earlier. Nice. Because of the schedule. And I feel like that's so great because they're friendly. They like each other. They have the same sense of humor. And he's not opening a sad, echoey dorm that feels scary. A friend is already set up. Probably takes the best bed. That's key. That's just going to be a game changer.
it's hard to say how he's feeling i don't think he's like he's he's never he's never wanting to do sleep boy camp he's never even when you think he's gonna spend the night out you hear the the door at 3 a.m like he's a home body yeah um and i'm so glad that we didn't end up doing like some crazy school in california which was his fantasy two years ago and actually maybe it would have been good for him but i'm glad it didn't work out that way at this moment um yesterday lots of tears um like i should have done a gap year i don't feel ready summer went so fast uh i'm gonna miss you guys but today like you know in a way i think everybody was sort of cried out yesterday today some of the sting was out um yeah i don't know it's hard to say exactly how he's feeling i think he doesn't i think it's like you know in a lot of ways for the kids it's like you know it's like going to space he doesn't know until he gets there he has no idea right um yeah going to space and he keeps saying like well i'm gonna come back blah blah i'm thinking like no no family would be more excited than us if he came back but at the same time like
you know, you don't want your kid to want to come home. You want your kid to be happy there. Right. My girlfriend dropped her son off out of state. And she said it was like a very hard goodbye for her. And I was like, how is it? And like, and over the summer, the kid had been experiencing anxiety too. And, but she said something that was very funny. Like she dropped, they dropped him off. They were, they had a goodbye. It was tearful. Both parents found it hard. She gets home. She said, it's like being ghosted. It's like being dumped.
She's been waiting for a call. It hasn't come. She's been sending 20 texts. She's getting one text in return. What the hell? I thought we had a real connection. What the hell? I thought we had a real connection. Best case scenario. She's trying to FaceTime and she's getting messages like, can't talk now. Can I call you back? Stop it. That's really not prepared for that. Because that's what's going to happen, right? I'm going to come home. I'm going to sit in this room with all the Lego. I'm going to be mourning a shift in my life. And my kid's going to be doing keg stands with all his new best friends.
That's fine. That's great. That's really great. Yeah. So anyway, that's what's going on. We love you so much, Kate. Yeah. Yeah. Paving the way. I've cried a couple of times this week over it. I know other people on this that I'd have. Yeah. Well, when you said you guys grew up together, that just broke my heart. Yeah. Because you did. Because you did. And that like hit it for me so hard. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I had Wawa when I was only three years out of college. Yeah. You were a baby too. So it feels really crazy that.
And of course, it just underlines your own middle age. It really... it's like it's not just about him it's also just like oh my god like all those moms you saw dropping kids off when you went to college what the actual fuck i'm one of the moms like what the actual fuck like yes i'm cooler and hotter but i'm still one of those moms like it happens how are we old enough to be able to do this yes i'm sure i told you guys i saw a quote that was like i never expected aging to happen to me personally and like that's how i feel like i know i understand it as a concept i'm literally wiping burgers i understand it as a concept it's blowing my mind that it's happening to me personally i feel victimized yeah I mean, I thought about, so Phoenix started high school this year and I'm like, okay, here we go. It's going to be a blink of an eye. A blink. It does. It feels like a runaway train and you cannot get off the track. It's speeding so quickly, right? And then I had the thought of, wow. And then I'm going to have his brother at home alone for two years. Had that crossed your mind? And that's the first time I ever thought of it, ever. What is this going to feel like? Just me and Pete and Leo. But the crazy thing will be, the crazy thing, and I'm not trying to freak you out because it's actually healthy, is that.
it's going to be more like just you and Pete because, you know, maybe. And we've talked about this too. Maybe not too. Like that would be best case scenario. Yeah. He might not go anywhere. We might just be cruising for the next 10 years, actually. So honestly, Ali asked me, you know, sounds like a fucking dream. Yeah, it may happen. Who knows? Yeah. But we can only hope.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how many kids do we have between us? 10, 10, 11, 11, 11. Not everybody's going to college. 11 kids. Not everybody's going to college. No, absolutely not. No. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. We have 12 because Sarah got an extra. Oh, we do have 12. We have 12, but that kid's definitely going to college. Oh my God. Definitely going to college. All right. Oh my gosh. But yeah, anyway, we're all, we're all, we put everything in the car today and we're all back. We're all packed up.
I don't know. You know what it's like being a mom. It gives you such a great sense of fake sense of control to pack all the things, to tidy all the things, to check out the list. So I'm feeling like that's what's keeping me grounded and keeping my head in reality is the admin, like getting us there, getting home. And like the day after, like Wolfie starts kindergarten on Thursday. Right. You get to focus on the logistics so that you don't have to wander to that. Yeah, exactly. I'm just like balls deep in logistics, trying to figure out where the closest target to campus is, the things that really matter. Right. Thank you for the next nursing and cursing t-shirt. I'm running it down. Balls deep in logistics.
Oh, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I just I don't know. It sucks. I wish our kids could just live with us forever or like ever compound. Wouldn't it be cool if when we had them, it was forever? Yeah. But they're like, you know, that's not natural. You go back to your worst day and you're like your worst day with your kids. Imagine if somebody had been like, it's going to be like this forever. You put your head in the oven. Right. Right. Probably have kids. But yeah. And it's a reminder like there's a few of them there.
that will be so different than us. And we maybe don't even really get to be in their life that much. We are literally just here to launch them. We are a vessel. That is our role. All right, Alex. I mean, I don't think that's your son, but like if you look at all of us, for instance, we're very close to our parents, you know, our job as parents, we do not own them. Who is this? I say to my kids, I say to the girls, I say to the girls all the time, like every time I want to say something about our relationship as adults,
or when they're adults, I'm an adult, but I'm like, when I'm an elder adult, I'm like, you know, if, if I've earned the privilege of being in your life, X, Y, Z, like if, if you're not so sick of me, X, Y, Z. That's so nice, Kate. Yeah. I mean, it's not what I'm thinking. I'm thinking like, I'm not waiting for an invite. I'm going to be one of those, but whatever. I'm not telling you that now. Right. Well, I will too, but I think when I lived in California, I maybe saw my family once a year.
yeah so mean i mean my family wasn't like you guys the families though they didn't deserve it but it is still like makes me sad to think if my kids will do that to me no oh no yeah but i also think like you know on the flip side my dad lives in the uk he moved back to the uk when i was in college and my entire life i just accepted that as completely normal because that is that is probably where my dad should be for him for his mental health but then like sometimes i'm like the fuck i would never do that Yeah. Well, we're also different. I mean, this isn't a judgment call on my dad. I'm just saying like what I personally would be capable of doing. I wouldn't be capable of leaving all my kids in one country and moving to another country. Continent. Yeah. Continent. Thank you, Sarah. Continent. Yeah. We're not talking about fucking Canada. That's right. I mean, and then I did it to my parents as far as you could possibly go. You did. Well, girls, we're not nailing and failing tonight. It's just not the time. I'm not ringing that thing. Why? We need it, Molly. We need to uplift. I'm not even worrying. I'm just, like I said, I'm in anguish.
Okay. I'm not doing it. We'll hit the nail bells next time. Okay. Kate, we are all with you. We love you so much. Thinking of you this week. Yep. We love you, Kate. We love our firstborn. We are all with you. Okay. Bye, guys. Good night. Good night.