Beginners Guide to Stacking Gold & Silver (ft. United Patriot Coin)

United Patriot Coin's Chad Burge and Clay join host John on State of the Second for a plain-spoken primer on buying gold and silver. The company was started by brothers Scott and Glenn Hynen, farmers in the agriculture industry in Kansas who had bought precious metals for years and made the same mistakes a lot of first-time buyers make. They built an education-first company around helping customers avoid those pitfalls instead of leading with whatever they want to sell. Chad runs the business as general manager. Clay handles the metals as numismatist and Director of E-Commerce, and he has been in the market for about 30 years. The conversation walks a complete beginner through the whole process. The most popular entry product is the Patriot Pack, which starts around a $200 price point and includes divisible one-ounce silver rounds, one-gram silver bars, and a one-gram piece of gold in a small carry bag. It was designed for an affordable entry and for a bartering situation, since the pieces break into smaller amounts. The guests explain that smaller pieces carry a higher premium because they are harder to make, walk through how orders ship (mailed to your billing address after fraud verification, FedEx with a signature over a certain dollar amount), where to store metals (a gun safe works for most people), and confirm there are no reporting requirements for a purchase. They frame precious metals as a savings account and a mid-to-long-term wealth-preservation tool, not a buy-today-sell-tomorrow play, and tie it back to firearms: you protect your family with guns and your wealth with gold and silver. The soapbox segment turns serious. Chad warns about a tech support scam that turns into a gold scam, where a pop-up tells the victim to call a fake Microsoft or official-sounding company, then a caller posing as the Department of Treasury or FTC convinces them their accounts are compromised and they need to convert their money into gold and hand it over for safekeeping. Victims, often the elderly, have met scammers in person or sent gold by third-party carrier, sometimes under threat of arrest. The takeaway is blunt: no government official will ever ask you to hand over gold, silver, or money. United Patriot Coin has put processes in place to question suspicious orders, has saved some customers, and runs fraud-prevention software that checks IP and address mismatches on every order. The two also share what they saw at the GOALS show in Knoxville and where to find them: unitedpatriotcoin.com, the Patriot Dispatch newsletter, and their phone line. Questions this episode answers How do I get started buying gold and silver as a complete beginner? United Patriot Coin runs as an education-first company, so the guidance is to start small with an affordable entry product rather than buying whatever a dealer wants to sell. The most popular starting point is the Patriot Pack, an entry-level kit built for first-time buyers. What is the Patriot Pack and what comes in it? The Patriot Pack is United Patriot Coin's most popular entry product, starting around a $200 price point. It includes divisible one-ounce silver rounds, one-gram silver bars, and a one-gram piece of gold in a small carry bag, designed for an affordable entry and for bartering since the pieces break into smaller amounts. Which is easier to move in a barter situation, gold or silver, and why do small pieces cost more? Smaller, divisible pieces are easier to use for bartering because they break down into smaller amounts. Those smaller pieces carry a higher premium because they are harder to make. When is the best time to buy precious metals and how much should I hold? The guests frame precious metals as a savings account and a mid-to-long-term wealth-preservation tool, not a buy-today-sell-tomorrow play, so the focus is holding for the long term rather than timing a quick flip. How does an order ship, and are there any reporting requirements or paperwork? Orders are mailed to your billing address after fraud verification, with FedEx requiring a signature over a certain dollar amount. There are no reporting requirements for a purchase. Where should I store my gold and silver? A gun safe works for most people. The guests tie it back to firearms: you protect your family with guns and your wealth with gold and silver. What is the gold scam targeting elderly buyers, and how does it work? It starts as a tech support scam: a pop-up tells the victim to call a fake Microsoft or official-sounding company, then a caller posing as the Department of Treasury or FTC claims their accounts are compromised and pressures them to convert their money into gold and hand it over for safekeeping. No government official will ever ask you to hand over gold, silver, or money. Why hold precious metals instead of putting the money in the stock market? United Patriot Coin presents metals as a savings account and a mid-to-long-term way to preserve wealth, framing the choice around stability and protecting what you have rather than short-term market gains. Chapters 00:00 — Welcome and meet United Patriot Coin 00:53 — Rapid Fire questions 05:05 — How the business started and works 06:13 — Showing off the metals: 50 cal rounds and ancient coins 08:16 — How do I get into precious metals? 11:43 — Why precious metals over the stock market 14:32 — Shipping, storage, and reselling 17:58 — How much to hold and when to buy 20:55 — Best metals for a bartering situation 23:22 — The GOALS show in Knoxville 32:35 — Soapbox: the gold tech-support scam 40:58 — Fraud prevention and protecting customers 43:32 — Forecast for precious metals after the election 47:30 — Wrap-up and where to find United Patriot Coin About the guest Chad Burge is the general manager at United Patriot Coin, where he makes sure everything runs smoothly on all sides of the business. Clay is the company's numismatist and Director of E-Commerce, buying and selling the metals and fulfilling online orders; he has been in the market for about 30 years and has a particular interest in ancient coins. United Patriot Coin was started by brothers Scott and Glenn Hynen, who are in the agriculture industry in Kansas, and is built as an education-first company. Its sister company, United Patriot Supply, has a physical store in Seneca, Kansas, and United Patriot Coin is located in Shenandoah, Texas, north of Houston. Key quotes "this isn't something that you buy today and sell tomorrow. This is something that you hold on to for the long term" — Clay "The only difference is, is, you know, the value of a dollar." — Clay "You protect your wealth with gold and silver." — Chad Burge "no government official or anybody will ever ask you for money for gold or silver or money or anything like that." — Chad Burge "some people really die hard on silver. Some people really die hard on gold. It's just your preference." — Clay