Below the Tear Line: A conversation with Michelle Tessier, former CSIS DDO

What this episode covers

Is Canada finally taking foreign interference seriously? In this episode of Secure Line, we sit down with Michelle Tessier, the former Deputy Director of Operations at CSIS, for an in-depth discussion on intelligence, transparency, and the increasing threat of foreign interference in Canada. Having spent decades at the highest levels of Canada’s intelligence service, Michelle brings a unique perspective on how the country has historically handled this growing national security challenge.Our conversation explores the impact of the Hogue inquiry, which raised critical questions about intelligence transparency. Michelle shares her views on how CSIS has evolved in its approach to public engagement and whether Canada is ready to take meaningful action against foreign interference. She also discusses the delicate balance intelligence agencies must strike between protecting operational confidentiality and ensuring Canadians understand the threats facing their democracy.We also examine why foreign interference remained largely overlooked for decades, despite being enshrined in the CSIS Act since the agency’s creation. Michelle reflects on the political sensitivities that kept it in the shadows and how recent revelations, particularly those involving leaked intelligence and media reports, have forced the issue into public debate. She provides insight into the long-standing intelligence-to-evidence problem, which continues to hinder Canada’s ability to prosecute national security offenses, and explains why even with new legislation, enforcement remains a challenge.With Canada heading into a federal election and provincial elections in 2025, the conversation turns to what needs to be done to safeguard democratic institutions from foreign interference. Michelle discusses how political parties, intelligence agencies, and policymakers should be preparing, and whether the recent legal reforms granting CSIS greater ability to share intelligence with provincial leaders and other stakeholders will make a real difference.In addition to foreign interference, we also talk about Michelle’s career at CSIS, where she was the first woman to serve in multiple senior executive roles, including Deputy Director of Operations. She shares her experiences as a leader in a traditionally male-dominated intelligence field, how the service has evolved in terms of diversity and workplace culture, and the work that still needs to be done to make Canada’s intelligence leadership more representative.Finally, we touch on the global intelligence landscape and what a second Trump presidency could mean for Canada’s national security and its relationships with Five Eyes partners. Michelle offers her thoughts on whether intelligence cooperation can remain stable in an era of political volatility, and what lessons Canada should be learning from its allies on countering foreign influence.

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