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EPISODE · Jun 12, 2025 · 55 MIN

Blue Sky Thinking - A Conversation with Ginger Spickler and Erin Johnson

from Free Range Humans · host Ginger Spickler, Erin Johnson, Rod Allen, Jal Mehta, Gino Beniamino

Crosstown High is a learner-centered public charter school that engages students in meaningful, project-based work and authentic relationships that will prepare them to be self-directed, lifelong learners. Erin Johnson is the Head of School and an an art teacher, while Ginger Spickler carries the title of Director of Sustainability while also serving on the leadership team. Highlights from their conversation with Rod and Jal include: how a billboard sparked the idea for starting the school; how design thinking shaped the model, and how project-based learning, and diversity by design came to define the school’s DNA; the importance of creating a space for students to actually make decisions, fail often and safely, and grow from those failures; why relationships between staff, students, parents and the larger community are a key growth driver; Jal sharing an experience from his visit that illustrates the power of blue sky thinking and of course, snacks; and a lightning round that also manages to bring food into the conversation. Learn more about the school: www.crosstownhigh.orgQuestions? Thoughts? Feedback? Email us at  [email protected] or Tweet us at @jal_mehta and @Rodroad219

“You can’t learn to make better decisions if you’re never given the chance to make a decision.” After visiting Crosstown High School in Memphis, Tennessee, Jal couldn't wait to invite Erin Johnson and Ginger Spickler to the podcast! Listen as they talk through the founding of their XQ Super School, and what makes it stand out in today's education landscape.

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