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Bones just uncovered and dug up in the back yard of the alleged Philly serial killer in the SNUF film case. Let that sink in. We thought it was true. We believed it was true. We find evidence of liquid cremation in the basement, but now actual bones.
Excavated. Ungovered, dug up in the back yard of the so-called Philly house of harbors. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. Underground SNUF film network where perves watch women get sexually tortured and murdered on camera. I don't think we're able to establish who knew why. He turned his son into an evil person. You talk about all the women who are dead.
There were urns in that house that they believe contained human remains. Public might not understand the enormity of this. I think the cops do, and I think the FBI certainly does, that this could potentially be something Philadelphia or maybe even the country hasn't seen yet. What drove you to make this film? I basically, I'm a sociopath always have been, and it was a nice way to express myself.
What makes you describe yourself as a sociopath? I don't like disagree with society. I think civilization is the biggest devolutionary mistake ever made. I really never wanted to consider myself as part of the human race. In fact, I used to go around describing myself as a Neanderthal.
He described himself as a Neanderthal. Some would describe him as a serial killer tonight. Bones excavated in the backyard of the so-called Philly House of Horrors. That from KYW and WHY. Joining us in All-Star Panel, but first, straight out to Dave Matt, Crime Stories investigative reporter.
What can you tell me about Bones dug up in the backyard of the House of Horrors and a safe that has been discovered behind the walls? What are they tearing the home apart board by board day, Matt? Yeah, Nancy, pretty much that's what they're doing. Let's start with finding the bones. The excavation equipment that is operating as we speak in the backyard of the Chu Avenue House has found bones.
Now, Nancy, they're looking for seven, possibly seven missing women that they think are dead, they being law enforcement, and finding bones in this backyard has put a shock wave through the investigation. But while they're working outside, digging through and doing what you would expect in an excavation on the inside of the house, plank by plank, wall by wall, the home is being taken apart from the inside out. And as they were pulling one of these walls hidden behind a wall inside the home, a safe has been found. They're not telling us a lot of what was found in the safe, but we know there were some documents. But considering everything else that has been found thus far in the investigation, Nancy, the contents of that safe might be mind-blowing.
So you're telling me that multiple bones have been found in the backyard of the so-called Philly House of Horrors, which you were seeing earlier in some Fox 29. So Dave Mack, right now they are about 50% through excavating the backyard of the Philly House of Horrors. Is that correct? Absolutely correct. Now I know that they have discovered some animal bones, but let me go straight out to special guests joining us, Dr. Thomas Coyne.
He is the Chief Medical Examiner for District Two in Florida. Also, I'm toxicologist forensic pathologist, neuropathologist. Dr. Coyne, I'm trying to determine, as a JD, you're a doctorate, you of course are an MD. When you see a human bone, for instance, a femur, it's clearly a human bone.
It's not an animal bone, isn't it, Trev? The ME on scene should be able to examine the bones that were present or identified or found and determine based upon their size and physical characteristics as to whether or not they are human. Dr. Thomas Coyne, let me try to refine my question. Would it be obvious to the naked eye, for instance, if you have a long human femur, a leg bone, you know, leg bone connected to the hip bone, that one, or a human skull?
I believe even I, just a JD, could immediately identify that as a human artifact. If you have long bones that are present, portions of the skull, even vertebrae, you should be able to distinguish human from non-human bones, just by virtue of their joint structure and the actual type of bone itself. Yes, you should be able to make that determination from physical examination. Dr. Thomas Coyne, in other cases that I have personally investigated or covered, it takes a long time to get every single bone out of the earth.
There are what, 250? How many bones are in the human body? A little over 200 bones in the human body, and you should be able to distinguish, as we were discussing before, if you have a whole entire fragment of the bone, you should be able to distinguish that human bone from a non-human bone, and you may be able to somehow determine the developmental stage of that human bone. Okay, Dr. Coyne, as much as I appreciate your medical jargon, I would have a really long session with you, because you're like, warp speed ahead of the rest of us, when you are analyzing this.
So when you say developmental stages, you mean age. You can look at the bones sometimes, and determine the age of the victim. Is that what you mean by development status? Yes, I apologize. So a difference between the adult and the doctor.
Don't, please don't apologize. Fortunately, you had done me down from me. Okay, so that said, it's a very difficult task. I don't know if you've ever had to be on a human excavation site, but you have, it's hard. I'm specific, here's one that everybody can relate to.
The excavation finding over 200 bones, a little keily, Anthony. That went through the night, it went for days and days. And there of course had been, as a lot of people call it, animal activity, in other words, animals ripping apart the body, and thereby eating the flesh and scattering the bones. So it's a very painstaking task. It's like an archeological dig, really, is what it is.
Because some of the bones are like less than an inch, like you get one digit of a little finger. And then, I believe you shook your head, yes, that you have been on a human excavation site before? I have, I've had a few of them. What is that law? Pain staking, as you said, because you generally are dealing with bodies, oftentimes, bodies that are buried in a referendum, and you have layers of sediment that will settle over time.
And with that layer of sediment, you may have the body itself and the skeleton belonging to the body, but you also have animals that are in the area that are not only scavenging upon that skeleton, but may also, for instance, drop a skeleton of a squirrel or other animals that can mix in. And so you'll have little bits of bone mixed in with twigs. And when it's covered with dirt, it can be very difficult sometimes to distinguish bone from non-bone. And so it's a painstaking process of trying to clean away all of that dirt and sediment, all of the debris from the area leaf debris, trying to isolate the individual bone and deltably clean the bone without damaging the bone. And that whole process takes days and days and days, quite painstaking.
Another thing, Dr. Thomas Coyne, that came to the forefront of the National Consciousness, was the Culp Mom, Lori Zallow case, where you mentioned that very often you'll find animal bones and human bones buried in the same backyard. It happened there. It may be hard for people to believe, but it's actually, oh, of course, she's a ghoul. There she is.
Every time I turn around, I see her looking right at me. That's called Mom, Lori Zallow. In that case, Dr. Coyne and I analyzed the discovery of bones in the backyard, essentially, of her lover turned husband, the prophet, in his backyard, were the remains of her son, JJ, a little boy, I think, seven, entirely, 16. Also, the bones of a lot of pets.
So I would have to go a shrink on this in a moment. I guess, perps thing, oh, I'll just bury them in the dog graveyard. It's just crazy. Well, I'll get to the analysis psychologically of that, but Dr. Coyne, you, the ME, have to look at all of these bones and say, well, is that from a pet?
Is that from a human? And especially when we're talking about bones that big. Then once you get them, once you clean them, once you identify as human, then you take them back to the medical examiner and you try to assemble them. Let's say he's shot a little killing Anthony's remains, once assembled. Now think about it.
This was painstaking work. They never found all of Kelly's bones. And that's what you do at the medical examiner's office, if you can find all the bones. Look how it's painstakingly. Each of vertebra is put together, the ribs, the tiny little ribs, the tiny little pieces of finger.
It takes forever. Isn't that true, Dr. Coyne? Oh, it does. It takes a long time because you want to be very accurate in everything that you do.
And at the same time, then once you assemble everything, then you're going to begin the examination process. Can we identify who these bones belong to? Are there any Israeli trauma present on the bone that helps us determine how this person died? So that's a very long process. Just then, Dr. Coyne, I don't know if you can see your monitor
because you're joining us from there in your medical exam and office. We just had the picture, little Kelly's remains. And it just looks like a gut punch. I thought her little teeth, still in a skull. They're probably baby teeth.
Do you ever, when you're trying to read a symbol a body think about, while you're talking, Dr. Coyne, I don't know if you can see or not, we're showing pictures of nine victims. And to think that right now, as we go to air, someone is sifting through dirt trying to find their bones. Like that picture of Kelly and I saw her teeth, it was just too jarring for me. Does it ever get to you while you're trying to put together the pieces of bones like a jigsaw puzzle?
That this is a first one. You try to stay focused on the task at hand, but I'm a parent. I have a lot of loved ones in my life, and your mind can't help but drift off to what you know. And you have to kind of push that out of your brain to try to focus because your emotions can get the best of you sometimes. And these cases are very difficult, especially when they're about children.
But you do your best to stay focused because you know that your end goal is to get justice for that person. We understand tonight, Dr. Coyne, and investigators are digging down about three feet deep so far across the backyard is dividing into nine segments. They are also digging up an eight foot deep, brick lined pit left behind. There is an area uncovered in the backyard.
We're just, that's what we're seeing tonight. This is from Fox 29. So this is a painstaking task. And you know there's trouble when the medical examiner shows up on the scene of a dig. That's from our friends at Fox 29.
So it wouldn't be uncommon, oddly Dr. Coyne, for people to, for excavators to find animal bones and human bones in the same area. Not uncommon, it's quite common actually. Generally in, I'd say the last three or four cases I've had we had to separate multiple kinds of animal bones from the human bones up. Because you have animals that have died over the course of you know, 20, 30 years at a present in an area where you bury a body, those bones are going to get mixed in with those human bones.
And as you're digging, you're recovering as much as possible because you don't want to miss anything. You're going to sift through all that back to the office when you're in a more controlled environment. And of course then you're going to have to separate animal bones from human bones and any other debris that may be present. 30 seconds. In that time, you can check your phone, reheat a cup of coffee or decide to skip songs.
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Crime stories with Nancy Grace. It's just me, Jackie, is it just me? Let me get our strength. Dr. Jirlen Utter is joining us.
Clinical psychologists specializing in psychological evaluations, risk assessments of people in the justice system, all their main lining, Philly and aftershock, how past events shake up your life today. She's the star of Utter Nonsense as a documentary. And you can find her at drjirlenutter.com. Dr. Jirlen, is it just me?
Because nobody else is showing any dismay here on the set that someone, I, Elori Vallow and that prophet husband of hers, and I use the term prophet very, very loosely, would throw children or these ladies' remains? Were they bury the animals? Just, I don't know a legal answer to that, but there's something wrong with that. What is it? Maybe you can help me.
I think Nancy, when you're talking about the lack of regard for humanity, which as we're starting to learn more about this case, we're seeing a lot of egregious and, quite honestly, disgusting things that have happened to these poor women, when you take human remains and you bury them, you think of a couple of things, especially in your backyard. The first thing that you think of is whoever did this wants to maintain control. So you don't want to bury them somewhere where you won't have control of them and know where they are. So that sense of control is maintained if you bury remains on your property. Another thing speaks to the information I've been receiving is this year, callousness and dehumanization.
That's been demonstrated by the alleged perpetrator by Mr. Horsesh. So these women, in my opinion, from what I've seen, aren't portrayed as human beings. They are portrayed as objects and sadly objects that have been used in sexually-sick manner. So yes, to take remains and to disregard them, to bury them in the backyard, speaks to the dehumanization, the fact that they're not viewed as women, that they're viewed as objects.
And it also speaks to a level of control. If you bury them on your property, you know where they are. You can go back to them. And then the third thing is just the overall callousness. The lack of remorse, the lack of empathy, the lack of acknowledgement of humanity, this case spreads far and wide regarding, you know, what it can do to somebody, slightly just by the sheer nature of reviewing a lot of this data, I've had to take a step back myself.
But the one thing that I just wanna bring to everyone's attention, these are women that are part of a vulnerable population in the city of Philadelphia. They were plucked from specifically the Kensington section of Philadelphia and they were preyed upon by this individual because of how vulnerable they were. That does not excuse this behavior on any level. And I'm happy to see that you have these great pictures of the women showing them with their families. These are loved women.
These are women that are missed by family members. And I'm just happy to see you bring us to late on your show. Joining us now is a special guest, Jonathan Halloran Corinne. Mr. Corinne, thank you for being with us.
Your beloved Nicole Fissarren. Yeah. Is dead. I can't imagine how it strikes you to hear this discussion of human bones potentially mixed with animal bones and excavation and a guy's backyard. Wet cremation tanks, those huge trash bins in the basement.
It's just, it's out of a horror film, but it's not a film. Nicole, what's part of all of this? Yes, she was. It's, every day's a living hell. Every day's a living hell no.
Every day is something new and some leak from the police department saying this or that. And yeah, I mean, I was listening and I'm not surprised by anything I was said previously in your segment. It's stuff that I've been hearing on practically a daily basis now. We're showing shots of your beloved Nicole Fissarren. And she is absolutely beautiful.
I don't remember growing, I thought that's what Sleeping Beauty looked like right there. Beautiful, dark hair, big blue eyes, perfect skin. That's what I thought a Sleeping Beauty would look like. You know, a Disney princess? Just looking at her and imagining what you're going through, hearing about tubs of wet cremation and an excavation in the backyard.
Whose bones are those? How callously they were just put in the backyard and how arrogant to think that never be discovered. Like Nicole doesn't even matter. Like nobody's going to look for her. I mean, what were you told?
I know that just before a press conference detectives came to your home, what did they tell you about Nicole? So when the detectives came to my home, it was not to speak to me. It was actually to speak to my mother who was legally the next of kin. And they came in and they sat down, said, your niece is deceased and that she was stranded. That's it.
Headed her packet of victims' resources. Do you have any questions? And what we started asking questions, and by the way, I was gonna say, my mother started asking questions, and they were willing to answer her questions. But when it came to me, those questions were not answered. It was not a good meeting with the police department at that time.
So they basically come in, guys, that video we were showing you is from our friends at ABC6. Jonathan, they basically come in and say, you know, Nicole, she's Dan. Yep. That's it. Did they tell you about the video?
No, in fact, to go into further detail, I turned around and had developed different leads in my investigation of trying to find a hole. And when I started talking to them about it, their immediate response was, we're only here to give an ex-of-kin notification to your mother, we're well aware of your advocacy for other victims. And at that point, I said, so you don't wanna hear any of the leads that I have developed over the investigation that I did in a hole. No. Then you can get the hell out of my house.
And I threw them at my house. I've never imagined that, I mean, I would take information anywhere I could get it. I mean, sure, I'd love for the information to come from a non-apreeza version, but typically in homicide, drug, child molestation cases, that's not who your witness is. If somebody had information, I want it. I've gotta get into your independent investigation, which is extensive.
But Jonathan, when did you put the pieces together that it's your beloved Nicole in the snuff film where R.C. Horsch is tying a zip tie around the victim's neck and killing her on video? So I was watching a live feed of the press conference that afternoon. And as Deputy Commissioner Benore was discussing it, he had stated that it was a 27-year-old victim, which out of all of the victims, the only one that was 27 was Nicole. And started giving the details that he did.
And in my heart, I immediately knew that it was Nicole that he was talking about. What details? Well, you heard it. They turned around and they ended up saying that there was two video cameras set up, one was stationary, one was being held by Raymond, that he turned around and said, given her drugs, she was using drugs, and the video that she ended up having was giving money and then proceeded to hang out for it to the bed and put a zip tie around to her neck and use a cable lock to end up putting the zip tie around and making her suffocate. I'm just trying to take you in the fact, Jonathan, as I'm looking at pictures of Nicole, that there's actually a video of her getting a zip tie around her neck and being murdered.
It's a very hard thing to grasp. What about that press conference angered you so much? The part that angered me the most was the fact that I had two detectives in my house, not four or five hours prior, that could have easily given me this information and didn't. Yet I have to turn around and end up listening to a press conference where they're giving graphic details as to her murder. And there was no investigatory value, in my opinion, to them giving that information.
I just... Publicly. Publicly. The fit of rage was beyond anything I can imagine that I felt. Tell me about your own investigation.
That video is from my friends at Pox 29, everyone. I wanna hear about your private investigation. At this point, I have been reaching out to different victims myself and by victims, I mean, people that were in the horse house that have been photographed. I've had numerous ones come to me and end up saying, we've tried speaking to the Philadelphia Police Department, but they don't wanna listen to us. Or they'll turn around and say, well, we started talking to the Philadelphia Police Department and then we did a television interview and now they don't wanna talk to us.
And it has gotten to the point where I've had to put together all the information and I've handed it over to the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division. What information did you uncover, Jonathan, that you believe is probative, prove something in this case, I'm sure it's a lot. As of right now, what I've ended up finding the most is the fact that the police department is not properly interviewing these victims. That's what I have found. What do they have to offer?
What do they have that can prove something for me, Jonathan? I don't know. They were in the house. They have eyewitness accounts and I don't wanna be going too much into their stories, but that's something that the police have to do. And they're not doing it.
Were it Nicole's remains ever found? No, no. And honestly, I don't think they'll ever be found. Even in light of the bone dig in the backyard going on now and even in light of the tubs of wet cremation found in the basement. So in my opinion, I understand why they're digging up the front yard and backyard, but I don't think they're finding what they think they're finding.
They are obviously being sent to the lab by the FBI for further analysis. There is the buckets of sludge that were found in the basement that were recovered back in June, that were sent to an FBI lab and so far everything has been silent on it. And personally, if I was the investigator, I would want to have a DNA sample from the family member. As of today, right now, I have not received a request for a DNA sample. 30 seconds.
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A message from the government of Canada. Crying stories with Nancy Grace. Joining us in addition to Jonathan Halloran Corrin, Jang, we are using an alias tonight because Jane is afraid of being identified. She actually went into the House of Horrors and lived to tell the tell. There Eugene Horsch paid her to take photos.
Yeah, I'll tell you what, if I ran into that, I'd run the other way. I had to make a train take a dirt road. Jane went inside truly a House of Horrors. Right now, the front and backyard being excavated for bones, tubs of wet cremation found in the basement. And she made it out of the so-called dungeon.
Jane, thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me. You do realize as you're hearing about excavation for human bones, tubs of wet cremation, Nicole Vissaro never being found. How close you came to being in that backyard or in one of those tubs, has that struck you? It bothers me every day.
The more the case gets deeper and deeper involved and the more and more I'm hearing, every day I wake up and I thank God that I'm still here to talk about this. Jane, tell our listeners and viewers what happened when you went inside the Philly House of Horrors. So I was there with another girl that I have not seen since I've been in that house. And we went in, we took a few pictures with Eugene. I was starting to be asked some questions, some very serious questions about my personal life, about my family, about who would be noticed, who's involved in my life.
I started feeling uncomfortable. And at that point, I decided to leave and never look back. And I think every day forgot for that. What kind of photos were you asked to take? Photos where after we would inject after using where the other girl would be asked to lick blood from my arm or me do that to her, does very compromising photos.
Did they ask you to take your clothes off? They did. I did not take all my clothes off. I did get in summer skate clothing, but I did not take all my clothes off. No, I did not.
So they basically wanted you semi-glove licking blood off another woman? Yes. That's just wild. I mean, especially for the neighbors. You don't have to like live through this.
I know that they live next to this. I know that there's probably only not so many bodies back there. We don't talk a lot about it. My attitude is to pray hope and not worry too much. That's kind of the way I go about things.
Sick people out here, and we got to do better out here. The cops got to help. Everybody got to help. It's like no help. People ignore a lot of stuff.
I don't get it. It's terrible. We should not be living like this. This world is coming to an end. He was creepy.
Wasn't much good to say about him. He'd become out in his Jeep and bring people in and out. And then we'd be picking up women down in the city and bringing them home. From KYW and WPVI back to Jang using an alias. They were asking you about family members translation.
Will anybody know it if you go missing? That's what that is. What kind of questions about your family members? Just pretty much asking me, you know, in my situation, was I on the streets or did I have a place to live? When I told them that I did have a place to live, they pretty much asked, oh, who lives with you?
Do you visit your family often? Kind of just feeling me out, making me feel very uncomfortable. I kind of felt that was odd for somebody I was just meeting to be so concerned about who was in my life and who wasn't in my life. Luckily for me, when I was still using, I still had a very good support system and a very good family around me. So I know some of these missing girls and I know that the girl that I was there with that day, I have not seen her hurt since that day I was there.
Joining us tonight, Eric Fattis, he is the founder of Law Offices of Eric Fattis, veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor. Eric, what is the defense attorney going to do now? The home is being excavated back in front yard for human bones. Bones have been found, they're being analyzed. And as in the case of Rex Heumann, the entire home is being dismantled, bored by bored.
Right, Nancy, so let's talk about the bones real quick. You know, Dr. Coing had said earlier that a medical examiner would be able to visually observe those and determine if they were human or not. If the reports indicate that they have found bones, there has been no declaration that they are human whatsoever. So this could be absolutely nothing with respect to the case.
On top of that, I thought they were alleging this was liquid cremation. If so, why would a person also need to be bearing remains in the backyard? You know, there's a lot of unanswered questions in this. There was some luminol that was applied that is supposed to reveal blood, but that can also have false positives as well for iron and copper and other substances. So I think, you know, we're kind of putting the card before the horse here, a lot of investigation that still needs to go on.
And then finally, once we reach that, how do we determine at whose hands these things happen? You know, when bones were buried, if they ever were under what circumstances by whom a lot of unanswered questions still. Okay, Fatus, are you actually saying that they have bones in their front and back yard, human bones, but we can't connect them to the people that own the front and back yard. Is that so maybe somebody else over time deposited multiple sets of bones in their front and back yard and they had no idea what was happening? Is that your theory?
There's been no confirmation of their human bones at all. And look, it sounds like at this house, there were people coming in and out regularly, people who did not live there. You know, it's certainly fine to suspect that the homeowners might be responsible, but it sounds like there are other parties who need to be further investigated and identified. And this thing happened over the course of years. What other party other than these two goals?
Well, it sounds like there were drugs being used in the house and, you know, in sort of a trap house-like scenario. There were people coming in and out and some of those folks were unsavory characters, some of those folks might have bad intentions. And so we're talking about possible alternative suspects here that can't be ruled out based on the information in prisons. Okay, you know what, Fattice, you're amazing. Somehow you've managed to extrapolate what you've heard tonight and come up with Spector Phantom defendants, other suspects.
So here we go with SOD, some other dude did it. Not the people at On the House, not the people that filmed snuff films of Nicole having a zip tie around her neck and dying on film. Forget them. It's some other nefarious, what, Doper, an addict. Okay, let me ask Jane this.
Jane, did they pick up men or just women? As far as I know, they only pick up women. So Fattice, you think this is a female crime then, that the women killed each other and buried them in their yard. Let's just follow your racing through to its logical conclusion. You can't just drop a bomb on crime stories and we're gonna tear it apart.
Okay, so is that your theory? That the women were killing each other and then planting them and burying them in the yard? What? Well, there have been cases before that have accomplices, right? So that's a possibility.
That happens, especially when we're talking about some sort of coordinated killing and alleged coverup. On top of that, this saga spans years and years potentially decades. And so to account for who has gone in and out of that house, whether it is women or men or an accomplice or a drug user or something else, there are just so many moving parts and they can't really nail it down or tie it to the horses at this point in my phrase. That's what the exception of the video, the video is a different story. Joining us now, special guest, Shannon Hill.
She is the star of Shannon Hill News. Shannon, thank you so much for being with us. Okay, that is a lot. Please explain what's happening and somehow tie all of these parts together for us, Shannon. Nancy, you are absolutely right.
That is a lot and I think your guest, I believe in attorney Fattice, I think he's incorrect on a lot of this because if he connects this horror house that we're seeing in Philly to the other investigation that happened back in 2009 in Shalfand, Buck County, that house was also tied to RC horse and his son Eugene and the same operations were taking place there as well, meaning firearm possession, marijuana operation and several ideas of women were also found in that Buck's County house. And some of those women have yet to be found. So if you match up all of this together in this new horror house situation, the case sounds all but the same.
And if you ask the DA what happened to that house in Shalfand, he'll tell you that he doesn't know that they never further investigated that case. But it's all tied to one man and that man is RC horse. I'm very curious, Shannon, at this juncture, the excavation is ongoing. What do we know about tearing the house apart bored by bored much as Rex Huerman, the Long Island serial killer, much as his home was completely torn apart? Correct, Nancy, they have torn apart the backyard in this Philly house of horrors.
They removed a shed, they dug up what was underneath that shed and like you've said today, they have dug up many bones. And when they are calling in medical examiners, it's usually because they believe these bones are not that of animal bones and animal remains. Also the basement in this horror house was described as an old high school science lab. There were several chemicals lying around everywhere. And that just tells you what exactly they were doing in the home.
I'm very curious about the press conference. Shannon Hill, guys, by the way, Shannon Hill is a star of Shannon Hill News on Insta. The fact that information regarding snuff films and describing them were put out to the public and the public press conference. What was the point of that? I agree with Jonathan on that.
I think the point of that, Nancy, was possibly to bring light to how many people have entered in and out of that home. I think there was a description of 600,000 photos being found within that home. And something like 70,000 videos recovered of different people in and out of that home. And how, Shannon, did all of this come to lie? It was a very unusual circumstances where the sun, Eugene, is calm.
Correct, Nancy, there was a traffic stop where they pulled over Eugene in his BMW. And at that time, they, law enforcement heard a woman's voice coming from that car, saying, you are going to hurt me. This woman has since been identified as AT. And the traffic stop happened. They realized there were firearms and cocaine in the car.
And that is when Eugene was arrested. And it opened up this big bag of worms at this whorehouse in Philadelphia. Just think about it, Shannon. That one incident, how many lives that may have saved? And all this time, there have been bones and tubs of wet cremation in the basement, all of this time.
And nothing was done. There was no reason to. There was no probable cause until now. And what do you think, Shannon Hill, about the investigation extending to Camden? This has been going on for a while.
The neighbors have said they had identified some of these women going in and out of the houses for years. And the stories are there. The stories are in town. People know the horsemen as very skeptical, very strange characters in the neighborhood. That they have been doing very bad things for a very long time.
Millions of images, tens of thousands of videos, and seven missing women that we know of. If you know or think you know anything regarding the so-called Philly House of Horrors, please dial 215-6868477. We remember American hero, Trooper Alberto Felix, Nevada Highway Patrol, killed in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving wife, Arlene, and daughters, Alyssa, Angelia, and Aries, American hero, Trooper Alberto Felix. Thank you to our guests, especially to you, for being with us tonight.
Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend. This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed human.