But what about when it's really bad?

Join Sagely consultants, Robyn Smith, LCSW and Lesley Curtis, Ph.D., on another walk in Philadelphia, this time starting in the Italian Market. In this conversation, we take a serious and yet still hopeful look at what it is to find stability even when what we’re facing is awful. What works for helping people through disaster, loss, and personal trauma, also works for finding ground through political instability, too. (The Italian market is where Sylvester Stallone (Rocky 1976) starts his run to the Museum of Art stairs, still known as the Rocky Steps. If you know the scene, you’ve already started humming the theme song.) This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit leadconsciously.substack.com/subscribe